IIRC, they aren't trying, or able, to stop the thing that happened from happening (because paradox). They're just trying to get a clean sample of the original strain, so they can come up with something in their time to save the few who are left.
The 12 Monkeys movie had some interesting stuff, but ultimately I felt like it was just a big fat waste of my time.
Everything you were here to prevent is unavoidably destined to happen by you being here to prevent it!
Fantastic. Thanks for wasting a couple hours of my life on a pointlessly bleak, edgy ending.
So you equally hate:
Terminator
?
Or Greek tragedy.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
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I love Jim Jarmusch's movies, and loved the first 1/3 of The Dead Don't Die, especially the subversions, but then it gets needlessly bleak for no good reason. There's a great setup, but no punchline.
"You read the script?"
"Jim gave it to me, yeah."
"I only had parts."
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
The 12 Monkeys movie had some interesting stuff, but ultimately I felt like it was just a big fat waste of my time.
Everything you were here to prevent is unavoidably destined to happen by you being here to prevent it!
Fantastic. Thanks for wasting a couple hours of my life on a pointlessly bleak, edgy ending.
So you equally hate:
Terminator
?
Going back and reading up on it, it looks like I missed something from the ending? The movie didn't encourage me to rewatch it
but apparently they succeed in getting the sample to the future via somebody else? Which I guess I missed somehow and is far better as an ending; the past remains unchanged, but the future of humanity is protected and that was the whole mission anyway.
It's not that I hated the movie, it's just something I didn't have any desire to watch again.
I for the first time noticed the shared imagery between Kyle shotgunning the T-800 away from a downed Sarah and Sarah doing the same against the T-1000 over that lava pit. Such good films.
It’s not a movie’s job to make you happy. They can have downer endings.
Sure. But its also not your job to enjoy movies that have downer endings.
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Yeah, about the only thing that hasn't aged well for Terminator is the end sequence (effects-wise), but there's zero reason to skip over it, it's a great film. And when you go over to T2, make sure to watch the Director's Cut which re-adds scenes that are honestly appalling that they weren't left in the original film.
It’s not a movie’s job to make you happy. They can have downer endings.
Sure. But its also not your job to enjoy movies that have downer endings.
People can like what they like, but there's no reason to pretend that a movie doing something you dislike means the movie is bad or a failure.
I dislike period pieces (with a few exceptions). I'm not going to pretend that Downton Abbey is a shitty show just because it's part of a genre that does nothing for me.
Admittedly, if you dislike downer endings, it's potentially hard to avoid them without spoiling every movie for yourself in advance. Still doesn't mean it's the movie's fault. Honestly, if downer endings don't exist, it cheapens the existence of happy endings by removing any tension in the storytelling. Someone winning is only exciting if there exists, at least in principle, the chance that they might lose.
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Yeah, about the only thing that hasn't aged well for Terminator is the end sequence (effects-wise), but there's zero reason to skip over it, it's a great film. And when you go over to T2, make sure to watch the Director's Cut which re-adds scenes that are honestly appalling that they weren't left in the original film.
They're good scenes, not like what was removed from Endgame, but I can see the reasoning for removing them. It's not a film that you can say is lacking in any area to begin with.
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Yeah, about the only thing that hasn't aged well for Terminator is the end sequence (effects-wise), but there's zero reason to skip over it, it's a great film. And when you go over to T2, make sure to watch the Director's Cut which re-adds scenes that are honestly appalling that they weren't left in the original film.
They're good scenes, not like what was removed from Endgame, but I can see the reasoning for removing them. It's not a film that you can say is lacking in any area to begin with.
I dunno, they feel pretty essential to me, and some of the effects work is phenomenal.
The cut scenes include Sarah dreaming about Kyle, which really drives home the mega-stress she's under and just how far out there the situation has pushed her; it also establishes that the Terminator showing up is a literal nightmare for her, which is why she almost completely locks up when Arnie makes his first appearance to her. The other big one is resetting the Terminator to adaptive mode, which is, frankly, essential in explaining why he suddenly shifts from from stiff and wooden to using slang and emotions on top of John getting to show a bit of that leadership he's supposed to save the world with (by refuting his mother trying to destroy the brain chip and insisting they need the Terminator).
In a movie already a couple hours long, the addition of that material has no meaningful impact on the flow and definitely fill in important chunks of story.
Yeah, about the only thing that hasn't aged well for Terminator is the end sequence (effects-wise), but there's zero reason to skip over it, it's a great film. And when you go over to T2, make sure to watch the Director's Cut which re-adds scenes that are honestly appalling that they weren't left in the original film.
They're good scenes, not like what was removed from Endgame, but I can see the reasoning for removing them. It's not a film that you can say is lacking in any area to begin with.
I dunno, they feel pretty essential to me, and some of the effects work is phenomenal.
The cut scenes include Sarah dreaming about Kyle, which really drives home the mega-stress she's under and just how far out there the situation has pushed her; it also establishes that the Terminator showing up is a literal nightmare for her, which is why she almost completely locks up when Arnie makes his first appearance to her. The other big one is resetting the Terminator to adaptive mode, which is, frankly, essential in explaining why he suddenly shifts from from stiff and wooden to using slang and emotions on top of John getting to show a bit of that leadership he's supposed to save the world with (by refuting his mother trying to destroy the brain chip and insisting they need the Terminator).
In a movie already a couple hours long, the addition of that material has no meaningful impact on the flow and definitely fill in important chunks of story.
The latter including one of the finest practical effects shots in the history of cinema.
And now the internet wants them to release the butthole cut with all the buttholes intact.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Terminator and T2 are completely different genres of movies, it's not really fair to compare them.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
When do we get to see the buthole cut of The Day the Clown Cried
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Bloodshot seems to be coming to digital rental earlier on the 24th.
I would maybe consider it but lol it's PG-13, fuck no, that's a stupid decision to make Punisher on nanomachines, son a PG-13 movie.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Yeah, about the only thing that hasn't aged well for Terminator is the end sequence (effects-wise), but there's zero reason to skip over it, it's a great film. And when you go over to T2, make sure to watch the Director's Cut which re-adds scenes that are honestly appalling that they weren't left in the original film.
They're good scenes, not like what was removed from Endgame, but I can see the reasoning for removing them. It's not a film that you can say is lacking in any area to begin with.
I dunno, they feel pretty essential to me, and some of the effects work is phenomenal.
The cut scenes include Sarah dreaming about Kyle, which really drives home the mega-stress she's under and just how far out there the situation has pushed her; it also establishes that the Terminator showing up is a literal nightmare for her, which is why she almost completely locks up when Arnie makes his first appearance to her. The other big one is resetting the Terminator to adaptive mode, which is, frankly, essential in explaining why he suddenly shifts from from stiff and wooden to using slang and emotions on top of John getting to show a bit of that leadership he's supposed to save the world with (by refuting his mother trying to destroy the brain chip and insisting they need the Terminator).
In a movie already a couple hours long, the addition of that material has no meaningful impact on the flow and definitely fill in important chunks of story.
The latter including one of the finest practical effects shots in the history of cinema.
Things You Can Do When One of Your Actors Has a Twin.
(see also, the security guard at the asylum.)
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Terminator and T2 are completely different genres of movies, it's not really fair to compare them.
You say that, but Alien is better than Aliens.
Different genres!
Yes. One is Sci-fi Horror and the other is Sci-fi Horror.
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12 Monkeys
but they're listening to every word I say
My memory of 12 Monkeys was that the virus stuff was more a MacGuffin and most of the movie itself is about the time travel/Cassandra complex stuff.
It's been a while so I don't remember, I need to rewatch.
So you equally hate:
It's on my backlog.
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"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
"Jim gave it to me, yeah."
"I only had parts."
...seriously? You've not seen it?
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No.
12 Monkeys is a closed time loop.
At least there's only two essential ones.
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If you only see one, let it be the first.
Going back and reading up on it, it looks like I missed something from the ending? The movie didn't encourage me to rewatch it
It's not that I hated the movie, it's just something I didn't have any desire to watch again.
I for the first time noticed the shared imagery between Kyle shotgunning the T-800 away from a downed Sarah and Sarah doing the same against the T-1000 over that lava pit. Such good films.
It still holds up!
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Sure. But its also not your job to enjoy movies that have downer endings.
People can like what they like, but there's no reason to pretend that a movie doing something you dislike means the movie is bad or a failure.
I dislike period pieces (with a few exceptions). I'm not going to pretend that Downton Abbey is a shitty show just because it's part of a genre that does nothing for me.
Admittedly, if you dislike downer endings, it's potentially hard to avoid them without spoiling every movie for yourself in advance. Still doesn't mean it's the movie's fault. Honestly, if downer endings don't exist, it cheapens the existence of happy endings by removing any tension in the storytelling. Someone winning is only exciting if there exists, at least in principle, the chance that they might lose.
They're good scenes, not like what was removed from Endgame, but I can see the reasoning for removing them. It's not a film that you can say is lacking in any area to begin with.
I dunno, they feel pretty essential to me, and some of the effects work is phenomenal.
In a movie already a couple hours long, the addition of that material has no meaningful impact on the flow and definitely fill in important chunks of story.
Steam | XBL
And now the internet wants them to release the butthole cut with all the buttholes intact.
You say that, but Alien is better than Aliens.
I would maybe consider it but lol it's PG-13, fuck no, that's a stupid decision to make Punisher on nanomachines, son a PG-13 movie.
Different genres!
Things You Can Do When One of Your Actors Has a Twin.
(see also, the security guard at the asylum.)
Same could be said of T1 and T2. (I'm still waiting for Terminator: Isolation.)
Yes. One is Sci-fi Horror and the other is Sci-fi Horror.
One is Sci-Fi horror and the other is Sci-Fi action.