The hospitals of Mumbai are near collapse with multiple patients per bed and packed morgues. There's not enough testing, but everyone knows SARS2 is burning through the slums. Doctors and nurses at state-run hospitals haven't been paid for months, months that they have been overworked without breaks due to lack of medical professionals. Problems that have always been endemic such as lack of sanitation (many hospitals will inject newborns with an antibiotic cocktail to try to prevent infections since hospital wards are so filthy) are now exasperated. SARS2 amplifies all the problems that were already there.
France has been easing the lockdowns and allowing some students back into schools and one week in there's already a flareup of children being diagnosed with COVID-19. Seventy cases have been linked to the schools, and one child has died of Kawasaki disease, which is now appearing as a rare reaction of some children after they catch SARS2.
Your summary of the French school situation is unfair. There are 70 cases, but no evidence of a flare up in children because details haven’t been released. The article suggests that it’s actually more likely these are teachers and staff who were infected before the school reopened due to the time for symptoms to emerge. The child who died from inflammatory complications is also unrelated to the school openings.
Health officials here in Norway (FHI; Insitute of Public Health) are saying that closing schools and kindergartens / day cares is both the least effective and most expensive anti-corona policy.
FHI said that before the government closed schools / day cares, the said it while they were closed, and they're saying it now that schools / day cares are open again. (The government closed schools / day cares against the recommendation of FHI.)
My spouse and I have the luxury of being able to work from home so... like hell I'll be sending the kids to daycare summer camp. Hard to say how we'll feel about the fall. This is entirely knee-jerk opinion-based reasoning rather than data driven, but I can't see how with the way colds run through a school that it isn't a risk to have them open during this pandemic, even if morbidity in children is minimal.
Word is that children appear to be negligible vectors for this specific virus, and also (except a few very rare cases) unharmed by it.
Furthermore, keeping children isolated has negative effects on their development and mental health, and is especially hard on children from troubled homes.
On average, according to FHI, it's better to send the kids to school.
The hospitals of Mumbai are near collapse with multiple patients per bed and packed morgues. There's not enough testing, but everyone knows SARS2 is burning through the slums. Doctors and nurses at state-run hospitals haven't been paid for months, months that they have been overworked without breaks due to lack of medical professionals. Problems that have always been endemic such as lack of sanitation (many hospitals will inject newborns with an antibiotic cocktail to try to prevent infections since hospital wards are so filthy) are now exasperated. SARS2 amplifies all the problems that were already there.
France has been easing the lockdowns and allowing some students back into schools and one week in there's already a flareup of children being diagnosed with COVID-19. Seventy cases have been linked to the schools, and one child has died of Kawasaki disease, which is now appearing as a rare reaction of some children after they catch SARS2.
Your summary of the French school situation is unfair. There are 70 cases, but no evidence of a flare up in children because details haven’t been released. The article suggests that it’s actually more likely these are teachers and staff who were infected before the school reopened due to the time for symptoms to emerge. The child who died from inflammatory complications is also unrelated to the school openings.
Health officials here in Norway (FHI; Insitute of Public Health) are saying that closing schools and kindergartens / day cares is both the least effective and most expensive anti-corona policy.
FHI said that before the government closed schools / day cares, the said it while they were closed, and they're saying it now that schools / day cares are open again. (The government closed schools / day cares against the recommendation of FHI.)
My spouse and I have the luxury of being able to work from home so... like hell I'll be sending the kids to daycare summer camp. Hard to say how we'll feel about the fall. This is entirely knee-jerk opinion-based reasoning rather than data driven, but I can't see how with the way colds run through a school that it isn't a risk to have them open during this pandemic, even if morbidity in children is minimal.
Word is that children appear to be negligible vectors for this specific virus, and also (except a few very rare cases) unharmed by it.
Furthermore, keeping children isolated has negative effects on their development and mental health, and is especially hard on children from troubled homes.
On average, according to FHI, it's better to send the kids to school.
Just as long as the teachers and school staff are also children.
The hospitals of Mumbai are near collapse with multiple patients per bed and packed morgues. There's not enough testing, but everyone knows SARS2 is burning through the slums. Doctors and nurses at state-run hospitals haven't been paid for months, months that they have been overworked without breaks due to lack of medical professionals. Problems that have always been endemic such as lack of sanitation (many hospitals will inject newborns with an antibiotic cocktail to try to prevent infections since hospital wards are so filthy) are now exasperated. SARS2 amplifies all the problems that were already there.
France has been easing the lockdowns and allowing some students back into schools and one week in there's already a flareup of children being diagnosed with COVID-19. Seventy cases have been linked to the schools, and one child has died of Kawasaki disease, which is now appearing as a rare reaction of some children after they catch SARS2.
Your summary of the French school situation is unfair. There are 70 cases, but no evidence of a flare up in children because details haven’t been released. The article suggests that it’s actually more likely these are teachers and staff who were infected before the school reopened due to the time for symptoms to emerge. The child who died from inflammatory complications is also unrelated to the school openings.
Health officials here in Norway (FHI; Insitute of Public Health) are saying that closing schools and kindergartens / day cares is both the least effective and most expensive anti-corona policy.
FHI said that before the government closed schools / day cares, the said it while they were closed, and they're saying it now that schools / day cares are open again. (The government closed schools / day cares against the recommendation of FHI.)
My spouse and I have the luxury of being able to work from home so... like hell I'll be sending the kids to daycare summer camp. Hard to say how we'll feel about the fall. This is entirely knee-jerk opinion-based reasoning rather than data driven, but I can't see how with the way colds run through a school that it isn't a risk to have them open during this pandemic, even if morbidity in children is minimal.
Word is that children appear to be negligible vectors for this specific virus, and also (except a few very rare cases) unharmed by it.
Furthermore, keeping children isolated has negative effects on their development and mental health, and is especially hard on children from troubled homes.
On average, according to FHI, it's better to send the kids to school.
I dont buy it. Rule number one of science. Check your priors. Is there any reason why this disease would not spread via children? Is their immune system better? Are they not human?
If the answer to those questions is yes then sure believe the data that says children arent a vector. But otherwise you should be very skeptical
The hospitals of Mumbai are near collapse with multiple patients per bed and packed morgues. There's not enough testing, but everyone knows SARS2 is burning through the slums. Doctors and nurses at state-run hospitals haven't been paid for months, months that they have been overworked without breaks due to lack of medical professionals. Problems that have always been endemic such as lack of sanitation (many hospitals will inject newborns with an antibiotic cocktail to try to prevent infections since hospital wards are so filthy) are now exasperated. SARS2 amplifies all the problems that were already there.
France has been easing the lockdowns and allowing some students back into schools and one week in there's already a flareup of children being diagnosed with COVID-19. Seventy cases have been linked to the schools, and one child has died of Kawasaki disease, which is now appearing as a rare reaction of some children after they catch SARS2.
Your summary of the French school situation is unfair. There are 70 cases, but no evidence of a flare up in children because details haven’t been released. The article suggests that it’s actually more likely these are teachers and staff who were infected before the school reopened due to the time for symptoms to emerge. The child who died from inflammatory complications is also unrelated to the school openings.
The hospitals of Mumbai are near collapse with multiple patients per bed and packed morgues. There's not enough testing, but everyone knows SARS2 is burning through the slums. Doctors and nurses at state-run hospitals haven't been paid for months, months that they have been overworked without breaks due to lack of medical professionals. Problems that have always been endemic such as lack of sanitation (many hospitals will inject newborns with an antibiotic cocktail to try to prevent infections since hospital wards are so filthy) are now exasperated. SARS2 amplifies all the problems that were already there.
France has been easing the lockdowns and allowing some students back into schools and one week in there's already a flareup of children being diagnosed with COVID-19. Seventy cases have been linked to the schools, and one child has died of Kawasaki disease, which is now appearing as a rare reaction of some children after they catch SARS2.
Your summary of the French school situation is unfair. There are 70 cases, but no evidence of a flare up in children because details haven’t been released. The article suggests that it’s actually more likely these are teachers and staff who were infected before the school reopened due to the time for symptoms to emerge. The child who died from inflammatory complications is also unrelated to the school openings.
Oh, the inflammatory thing is 100% real, and 100% something to do with COVID and absolutely dangerous. Every age group seems to have its nasty rare follow up event to this virus (inflammation condition in younger people, strokes in middle aged people and older). However, most children with the inflammation condition have recovered, and it does seem to be rare.
The hospitals of Mumbai are near collapse with multiple patients per bed and packed morgues. There's not enough testing, but everyone knows SARS2 is burning through the slums. Doctors and nurses at state-run hospitals haven't been paid for months, months that they have been overworked without breaks due to lack of medical professionals. Problems that have always been endemic such as lack of sanitation (many hospitals will inject newborns with an antibiotic cocktail to try to prevent infections since hospital wards are so filthy) are now exasperated. SARS2 amplifies all the problems that were already there.
France has been easing the lockdowns and allowing some students back into schools and one week in there's already a flareup of children being diagnosed with COVID-19. Seventy cases have been linked to the schools, and one child has died of Kawasaki disease, which is now appearing as a rare reaction of some children after they catch SARS2.
Your summary of the French school situation is unfair. There are 70 cases, but no evidence of a flare up in children because details haven’t been released. The article suggests that it’s actually more likely these are teachers and staff who were infected before the school reopened due to the time for symptoms to emerge. The child who died from inflammatory complications is also unrelated to the school openings.
Health officials here in Norway (FHI; Insitute of Public Health) are saying that closing schools and kindergartens / day cares is both the least effective and most expensive anti-corona policy.
FHI said that before the government closed schools / day cares, the said it while they were closed, and they're saying it now that schools / day cares are open again. (The government closed schools / day cares against the recommendation of FHI.)
My spouse and I have the luxury of being able to work from home so... like hell I'll be sending the kids to daycare summer camp. Hard to say how we'll feel about the fall. This is entirely knee-jerk opinion-based reasoning rather than data driven, but I can't see how with the way colds run through a school that it isn't a risk to have them open during this pandemic, even if morbidity in children is minimal.
Word is that children appear to be negligible vectors for this specific virus, and also (except a few very rare cases) unharmed by it.
Furthermore, keeping children isolated has negative effects on their development and mental health, and is especially hard on children from troubled homes.
On average, according to FHI, it's better to send the kids to school.
Just as long as the teachers and school staff are also children.
Which is why the now-opened schools have very strict guidelines re: teachers (and other stuff).
The hospitals of Mumbai are near collapse with multiple patients per bed and packed morgues. There's not enough testing, but everyone knows SARS2 is burning through the slums. Doctors and nurses at state-run hospitals haven't been paid for months, months that they have been overworked without breaks due to lack of medical professionals. Problems that have always been endemic such as lack of sanitation (many hospitals will inject newborns with an antibiotic cocktail to try to prevent infections since hospital wards are so filthy) are now exasperated. SARS2 amplifies all the problems that were already there.
France has been easing the lockdowns and allowing some students back into schools and one week in there's already a flareup of children being diagnosed with COVID-19. Seventy cases have been linked to the schools, and one child has died of Kawasaki disease, which is now appearing as a rare reaction of some children after they catch SARS2.
Your summary of the French school situation is unfair. There are 70 cases, but no evidence of a flare up in children because details haven’t been released. The article suggests that it’s actually more likely these are teachers and staff who were infected before the school reopened due to the time for symptoms to emerge. The child who died from inflammatory complications is also unrelated to the school openings.
Health officials here in Norway (FHI; Insitute of Public Health) are saying that closing schools and kindergartens / day cares is both the least effective and most expensive anti-corona policy.
FHI said that before the government closed schools / day cares, the said it while they were closed, and they're saying it now that schools / day cares are open again. (The government closed schools / day cares against the recommendation of FHI.)
My spouse and I have the luxury of being able to work from home so... like hell I'll be sending the kids to daycare summer camp. Hard to say how we'll feel about the fall. This is entirely knee-jerk opinion-based reasoning rather than data driven, but I can't see how with the way colds run through a school that it isn't a risk to have them open during this pandemic, even if morbidity in children is minimal.
Word is that children appear to be negligible vectors for this specific virus, and also (except a few very rare cases) unharmed by it.
Furthermore, keeping children isolated has negative effects on their development and mental health, and is especially hard on children from troubled homes.
On average, according to FHI, it's better to send the kids to school.
I dont buy it. Rule number one of science. Check your priors. Is there any reason why this disease would not spread via children? Is their immune system better? Are they not human?
If the answer to those questions is yes then sure believe the data that says children arent a vector. But otherwise you should be very skeptical
I'm not an epidemiologist or anything remotely associated. I'm just relaying information by the top government health officials (as reported by the most reliable news sources).
As I read it, their argument boils down to "should we expose children (and associated adults) to what appears to be a very small health risk, when the alternative certainly has an enormous cost (monetary, developmental, and health)?" And they have concluded yes.
I believe they are acting on the best available information with the best of intentions (I trust my government a lot more than I or you trust your government). If they are correct or not I cannot possibly evaluate (and absent that, I default to believing the experts). Weather or not you want to trust them is not for me to decide.
I would very much like to know whether Covid can spread via children. Closing the schools is very difficult for parents, who are having to teach and work at the same time. And if it continues into the fall, this generation of children will fall far behind where they should be.
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HonkHonk is this poster.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
Part of the point I’ve heard regarding children as well is they go to the same place every day and meet the same people there. As long as lockdown/recommendations hold outside of that environment they deemed schools remaining open a net benefit.
I would very much like to know whether Covid can spread via children. Closing the schools is very difficult for parents, who are having to teach and work at the same time. And if it continues into the fall, this generation of children will fall far behind where they should be.
Do you trust that
a) parents will keep their sick and asymptomatic carrier kids home
b) kids will follow social distancing guidelines and wash their hands after coming into contact with possibly contaminated surfaces
c) kid will wear masks all day but not touch them
These don't really seem like things these groups of humans do.
Which is whatever, but the upside is you can probably go hang out with your kids' classmates' parents without significantly increasing your risk.
Here is the Norwegian government's advice (in English) regarding children.
Upshot is what I posted earlier. Kids can get sick, but very mild symptoms even with existing underlying diseases (except for the very rare inflammation thing posted earlier).* They are contagious from 1-2 days before displaying symptoms, but transmit disease less easily than adults.
* There's some speculation that adults' immune systems overreact and kids systems underreact, which is beneficial for this particular virus. (Similar to how e.g., chicken pox affects adults worse than kids.) But I understant that the picture is not clear yet.
I would very much like to know whether Covid can spread via children. Closing the schools is very difficult for parents, who are having to teach and work at the same time. And if it continues into the fall, this generation of children will fall far behind where they should be.
Do you trust that
a) parents will keep their sick and asymptomatic carrier kids home
b) kids will follow social distancing guidelines and wash their hands after coming into contact with possibly contaminated surfaces
c) kid will wear masks all day but not touch them
These don't really seem like things these groups of humans do.
Which is whatever, but the upside is you can probably go hang out with your kids' classmates' parents without significantly increasing your risk.
We need quality information on the this because despite the above, parents are hardly likely to homeschool their children for the next 2 years.
We're not going to get good data if we pursue it in hopes of finding proof that we can do the thing we want to do.
This is how you end up with cherry-picking people into their graves.
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Brovid Hasselsmof[Growling historic on the fury road]Registered Userregular
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I heard an interview with an epidemiologist couple of days ago who briefly discussed children and transmission. She cited a case looking at household transmission clusters which showed only 3 out of 31 were caused by transmission from a child to others. And another involving a 9 year old who attended ski classes while symptomatic, they tested 80 contacts (other kids in the classes, I think) and only 1 had caught SARS2, while a third of the kids had influenza.
We're not going to get good data if we pursue it in hopes of finding proof that we can do the thing we want to do.
This is how you end up with cherry-picking people into their graves.
School is not something we 'want' to do as a society. It's something we need to do. Lack of school causes death, its just a chronic condition rather than critical.
We must reopen schools as soon as possible, we simply have the slight luxury that we can spend 3 months learning how to do that best. But, we can no more not have school than we can like, turn off the internet or the electricity. You won't die right away, so its OK to shut that down?
"That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
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ElldrenIs a woman dammitceterum censeoRegistered Userregular
I heard an interview with an epidemiologist couple of days ago who briefly discussed children and transmission. She cited a case looking at household transmission clusters which showed only 3 out of 31 were caused by transmission from a child to others. And another involving a 9 year old who attended ski classes while symptomatic, they tested 80 contacts (other kids in the classes, I think) and only 1 had caught SARS2, while a third of the kids had influenza.
So that is a definitive “yes children can spread the virus”
I heard an interview with an epidemiologist couple of days ago who briefly discussed children and transmission. She cited a case looking at household transmission clusters which showed only 3 out of 31 were caused by transmission from a child to others. And another involving a 9 year old who attended ski classes while symptomatic, they tested 80 contacts (other kids in the classes, I think) and only 1 had caught SARS2, while a third of the kids had influenza.
So that is a definitive “yes children can spread the virus”
It was always a question of degree.
"Aren't children humans?" as a counterpoint is dumb, because diseases affect different demographics in different ways. Most science updates in this page seem to be pointing at kids transmitting it less. Most "common sense" "updates" seem to be saying the opposite.
We're not going to get good data if we pursue it in hopes of finding proof that we can do the thing we want to do.
This is how you end up with cherry-picking people into their graves.
I think that's how science works. They start off with a hypothesis like "Vitamin C cures hemorrhoids" and then use scientific methods to statistically prove whether there does or does not seem to be a correlation. Science is all about asking questions we are interested in and figuring out what the answer is.
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Brovid Hasselsmof[Growling historic on the fury road]Registered Userregular
I heard an interview with an epidemiologist couple of days ago who briefly discussed children and transmission. She cited a case looking at household transmission clusters which showed only 3 out of 31 were caused by transmission from a child to others. And another involving a 9 year old who attended ski classes while symptomatic, they tested 80 contacts (other kids in the classes, I think) and only 1 had caught SARS2, while a third of the kids had influenza.
So that is a definitive “yes children can spread the virus”
Welp my kid is back in daycare as of mid-June as they were either going to charge us or give her spot to someone else because they couldn’t get the financial support needed to keep shut down
I just hope I get it in the 2 weeks between her going back and me having to go back in the office (why??? Stupid...) to minimize disruption and my likelihood of infecting a coworker(s)
We're not going to get good data if we pursue it in hopes of finding proof that we can do the thing we want to do.
This is how you end up with cherry-picking people into their graves.
I think that's how science works. They start off with a hypothesis like "Vitamin C cures hemorrhoids" and then use scientific methods to statistically prove whether there does or does not seem to be a correlation. Science is all about asking questions we are interested in and figuring out what the answer is.
No. The scientific method is that you form a hypothesis based on data and then seek to disprove the hypothesis.
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ceresWhen the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
The scientific method doesn't count as an update.
And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
The wave of shutdowns and shuttered economies caused by the coronavirus pandemic fueled a momentous decline in global greenhouse gas emissions, although one unlikely to last, a group of scientists reported Tuesday.
As infections surged in March and April, nations worldwide experienced an abrupt reduction in driving, flying and industrial output, leading to a startling decline of more than 1 billion tons of carbon dioxide emissions. That includes a peak drop in daily emissions of 17 percent in early April, according to the study, published in the journal Nature Climate Change. For some nations, the falloff was much steeper.
I mean it is a blip and the article points that out. Also it isn't nearly as far down as we need to anyway. Also by sector was interesting.
This is part of the secondary consequences and is very interesting overall. I bet we will have a spike up though as things reopen but it is has been an interesting experiment pretty much world wide.
Well, today in BC (population around 5 million) we have.. 2 new cases total. Phase 2 of the re-opening plan starts officially today, though in reality people started acting like it was at that phase as soon as they announced it was coming. Biggest change is businesses in approved categories being allowed to re-open. You can even get a hair cut.
Also it appears there has been animal-to-human transmission on a Dutch mink farm. There had been at least two mink fur farms that had COVID-19 outbreaks, since mink (like cats and ferrets) can catch SARS2 as well. There had clearly been human-to-animal transmission for the mink to get it, and now it seems it can bounce straight back to humans. *eyes all the cats*
Okay, that is a MUCH higher dip than the 5.5% I saw reported last month. So that's good news, at least.
There is bad news: Atmospheric levels are still rising. They didn't set a record for net monthly increase again in April at least but this still isn't enough to change the direction, a year of this would buy us about 3 months on projections.
Also it appears there has been animal-to-human transmission on a Dutch mink farm. There had been at least two mink fur farms that had COVID-19 outbreaks, since mink (like cats and ferrets) can catch SARS2 as well. There had clearly been human-to-animal transmission for the mink to get it, and now it seems it can bounce straight back to humans. *eyes all the cats*
Human->Animal->Human transmission is really really bad if true. It means we've got a bunch of potential reservoirs for the disease.
Well, today in BC (population around 5 million) we have.. 2 new cases total. Phase 2 of the re-opening plan starts officially today, though in reality people started acting like it was at that phase as soon as they announced it was coming. Biggest change is businesses in approved categories being allowed to re-open. You can even get a hair cut.
Every place that gets this under control helps everyone else get it under control. Good job BC, now stay on top of it as you reopen and bring us some more hope!
Also it appears there has been animal-to-human transmission on a Dutch mink farm. There had been at least two mink fur farms that had COVID-19 outbreaks, since mink (like cats and ferrets) can catch SARS2 as well. There had clearly been human-to-animal transmission for the mink to get it, and now it seems it can bounce straight back to humans. *eyes all the cats*
Human->Animal->Human transmission is really really bad if true. It means we've got a bunch of potential reservoirs for the disease.
It also gives this little fucker plenty more opportunities to mutate into new strains. One strain of this fucked us real good, a second one is going to break everything we know wide open because we had enough trouble with the first one.
Well, today in BC (population around 5 million) we have.. 2 new cases total. Phase 2 of the re-opening plan starts officially today, though in reality people started acting like it was at that phase as soon as they announced it was coming. Biggest change is businesses in approved categories being allowed to re-open. You can even get a hair cut.
MayabirdPecking at the keyboardRegistered Userregular
The top four countries in official cases currently are (in order), the United States, Russia, Brazil, and the UK. You may notice the pattern that all currently ruled by right-wing shithead assholes (and at least three of them by stupid insane right-wing shithead assholes). News from the US and UK continue to be pretty well covered here so how about some more from Russia and Brazil.
You know how the right-wingers in the US are claiming that all sorts of COVID-19 deaths shouldn't count because whatever reason? The same thing that they get mad at China for doing? Russia's been doing that. People have been noting how anomalously low the official death count is for the case count - that's because most deaths are hidden under other official diagnoses such as "viral pneumonia" or otherwise. There's a hodgepodge of links I could throw at you with various speculation but the actual death toll is likely 50-70% greater, if not more. Most of the cases and deaths are recorded from Moscow, but other areas are also being badly hit, such as Dagestan where the actual death toll may be twenty times higher than what's officially reported.
In Brazil, instead of, like, doing something about the pandemic the police are conducting deadly raids in favelas. "Instead of sending doctors and nurses to protect residents from Covid-19, the government sends police, bullet-proof vehicles and helicopters to kill us." It's the usual war against the gangs, only the gangs have been the ones enforcing lockdowns and other pandemic controls and the federal government has been actively discouraging any disease controls whatsoever.
Things will continue to get worse when people actively make things worse.
Also it appears there has been animal-to-human transmission on a Dutch mink farm. There had been at least two mink fur farms that had COVID-19 outbreaks, since mink (like cats and ferrets) can catch SARS2 as well. There had clearly been human-to-animal transmission for the mink to get it, and now it seems it can bounce straight back to humans. *eyes all the cats*
Human->Animal->Human transmission is really really bad if true. It means we've got a bunch of potential reservoirs for the disease.
It also gives this little fucker plenty more opportunities to mutate into new strains. One strain of this fucked us real good, a second one is going to break everything we know wide open because we had enough trouble with the first one.
I think this is an exaggerated statement. There's no reason that the virus would become more infectious or deadly to humans in order to infect mink etc. Mink, cats and all sorts of things catch human coronaviruses very easily. We don't always catch theirs, but sometimes we do.
Its certainly not good news, and it means that true extermination of the virus is likely impossible, but, it doesn't mean that we immediately have to have a modified mink infecting strain which will jump back to us. Also, being in a mink farm with infectious animals is probably like spending 24 hours in an ER with no mask in terms of virus exposure.
The top four countries in official cases currently are (in order), the United States, Russia, Brazil, and the UK. You may notice the pattern that all currently ruled by right-wing shithead assholes (and at least three of them by stupid insane right-wing shithead assholes). News from the US and UK continue to be pretty well covered here so how about some more from Russia and Brazil.
You know how the right-wingers in the US are claiming that all sorts of COVID-19 deaths shouldn't count because whatever reason? The same thing that they get mad at China for doing? Russia's been doing that. People have been noting how anomalously low the official death count is for the case count - that's because most deaths are hidden under other official diagnoses such as "viral pneumonia" or otherwise. There's a hodgepodge of links I could throw at you with various speculation but the actual death toll is likely 50-70% greater, if not more. Most of the cases and deaths are recorded from Moscow, but other areas are also being badly hit, such as Dagestan where the actual death toll may be twenty times higher than what's officially reported.
In Brazil, instead of, like, doing something about the pandemic the police are conducting deadly raids in favelas. "Instead of sending doctors and nurses to protect residents from Covid-19, the government sends police, bullet-proof vehicles and helicopters to kill us." It's the usual war against the gangs, only the gangs have been the ones enforcing lockdowns and other pandemic controls and the federal government has been actively discouraging any disease controls whatsoever.
Things will continue to get worse when people actively make things worse.
So the countries that aren't run by "right-wing shithead assholes". . .what's their excuse? Happenstance? Also I love that Putin is now "right wing."
Oh man a super important update, my state (MA) is moving towards reopening, which I'm not like, super pumped about in total cause I think it's probably still to soon to be doing that. It is at the very least phased so we're not just throwing the doors open and things won't be approaching normal for almost 3 months still, and that's only if we don't have any spikes along the way. However the one thing it does mean is that my weed store gets to open back up next Monday for curbside pickup. Just in time for me to restock from my pre lockdown provisioning.
Authoritarians have done very badly, as authoritarians always do when asked to govern.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
I would very much like to know whether Covid can spread via children. Closing the schools is very difficult for parents, who are having to teach and work at the same time. And if it continues into the fall, this generation of children will fall far behind where they should be.
Do you trust that
a) parents will keep their sick and asymptomatic carrier kids home
b) kids will follow social distancing guidelines and wash their hands after coming into contact with possibly contaminated surfaces
c) kid will wear masks all day but not touch them
These don't really seem like things these groups of humans do.
Which is whatever, but the upside is you can probably go hang out with your kids' classmates' parents without significantly increasing your risk.
Parents will absolutely 100000% send their kids to school no matter how sick they are, and be forced to come pick them up later. This is standard, there's at least one in every class in every grade.
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Word is that children appear to be negligible vectors for this specific virus, and also (except a few very rare cases) unharmed by it.
Furthermore, keeping children isolated has negative effects on their development and mental health, and is especially hard on children from troubled homes.
On average, according to FHI, it's better to send the kids to school.
Just as long as the teachers and school staff are also children.
I dont buy it. Rule number one of science. Check your priors. Is there any reason why this disease would not spread via children? Is their immune system better? Are they not human?
If the answer to those questions is yes then sure believe the data that says children arent a vector. But otherwise you should be very skeptical
The inflammatory thing does appear to be real
NYC has reported over 100 suspected cases.
Oh, the inflammatory thing is 100% real, and 100% something to do with COVID and absolutely dangerous. Every age group seems to have its nasty rare follow up event to this virus (inflammation condition in younger people, strokes in middle aged people and older). However, most children with the inflammation condition have recovered, and it does seem to be rare.
Which is why the now-opened schools have very strict guidelines re: teachers (and other stuff).
I'm not an epidemiologist or anything remotely associated. I'm just relaying information by the top government health officials (as reported by the most reliable news sources).
As I read it, their argument boils down to "should we expose children (and associated adults) to what appears to be a very small health risk, when the alternative certainly has an enormous cost (monetary, developmental, and health)?" And they have concluded yes.
I believe they are acting on the best available information with the best of intentions (I trust my government a lot more than I or you trust your government). If they are correct or not I cannot possibly evaluate (and absent that, I default to believing the experts). Weather or not you want to trust them is not for me to decide.
Do you trust that
a) parents will keep their sick and asymptomatic carrier kids home
b) kids will follow social distancing guidelines and wash their hands after coming into contact with possibly contaminated surfaces
c) kid will wear masks all day but not touch them
These don't really seem like things these groups of humans do.
Which is whatever, but the upside is you can probably go hang out with your kids' classmates' parents without significantly increasing your risk.
Upshot is what I posted earlier. Kids can get sick, but very mild symptoms even with existing underlying diseases (except for the very rare inflammation thing posted earlier).* They are contagious from 1-2 days before displaying symptoms, but transmit disease less easily than adults.
* There's some speculation that adults' immune systems overreact and kids systems underreact, which is beneficial for this particular virus. (Similar to how e.g., chicken pox affects adults worse than kids.) But I understant that the picture is not clear yet.
We need quality information on the this because despite the above, parents are hardly likely to homeschool their children for the next 2 years.
This is how you end up with cherry-picking people into their graves.
School is not something we 'want' to do as a society. It's something we need to do. Lack of school causes death, its just a chronic condition rather than critical.
We must reopen schools as soon as possible, we simply have the slight luxury that we can spend 3 months learning how to do that best. But, we can no more not have school than we can like, turn off the internet or the electricity. You won't die right away, so its OK to shut that down?
So that is a definitive “yes children can spread the virus”
It was always a question of degree.
"Aren't children humans?" as a counterpoint is dumb, because diseases affect different demographics in different ways. Most science updates in this page seem to be pointing at kids transmitting it less. Most "common sense" "updates" seem to be saying the opposite.
You can choose which you like more.
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I think that's how science works. They start off with a hypothesis like "Vitamin C cures hemorrhoids" and then use scientific methods to statistically prove whether there does or does not seem to be a correlation. Science is all about asking questions we are interested in and figuring out what the answer is.
I don't think anyone suggested they couldn't?
I just hope I get it in the 2 weeks between her going back and me having to go back in the office (why??? Stupid...) to minimize disruption and my likelihood of infecting a coworker(s)
No. The scientific method is that you form a hypothesis based on data and then seek to disprove the hypothesis.
Global emissions plunged an unprecedented 17 percent during the coronavirus pandemic
I mean it is a blip and the article points that out. Also it isn't nearly as far down as we need to anyway. Also by sector was interesting.
This is part of the secondary consequences and is very interesting overall. I bet we will have a spike up though as things reopen but it is has been an interesting experiment pretty much world wide.
Also it appears there has been animal-to-human transmission on a Dutch mink farm. There had been at least two mink fur farms that had COVID-19 outbreaks, since mink (like cats and ferrets) can catch SARS2 as well. There had clearly been human-to-animal transmission for the mink to get it, and now it seems it can bounce straight back to humans. *eyes all the cats*
There is bad news: Atmospheric levels are still rising. They didn't set a record for net monthly increase again in April at least but this still isn't enough to change the direction, a year of this would buy us about 3 months on projections.
Human->Animal->Human transmission is really really bad if true. It means we've got a bunch of potential reservoirs for the disease.
It also gives this little fucker plenty more opportunities to mutate into new strains. One strain of this fucked us real good, a second one is going to break everything we know wide open because we had enough trouble with the first one.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
My worry here in B.C. in that we got way ahead of it, and a large % of our population didn't even come in contact, could a wave hit with reopening?
You know how the right-wingers in the US are claiming that all sorts of COVID-19 deaths shouldn't count because whatever reason? The same thing that they get mad at China for doing? Russia's been doing that. People have been noting how anomalously low the official death count is for the case count - that's because most deaths are hidden under other official diagnoses such as "viral pneumonia" or otherwise. There's a hodgepodge of links I could throw at you with various speculation but the actual death toll is likely 50-70% greater, if not more. Most of the cases and deaths are recorded from Moscow, but other areas are also being badly hit, such as Dagestan where the actual death toll may be twenty times higher than what's officially reported.
In Brazil, instead of, like, doing something about the pandemic the police are conducting deadly raids in favelas. "Instead of sending doctors and nurses to protect residents from Covid-19, the government sends police, bullet-proof vehicles and helicopters to kill us." It's the usual war against the gangs, only the gangs have been the ones enforcing lockdowns and other pandemic controls and the federal government has been actively discouraging any disease controls whatsoever.
Things will continue to get worse when people actively make things worse.
I think this is an exaggerated statement. There's no reason that the virus would become more infectious or deadly to humans in order to infect mink etc. Mink, cats and all sorts of things catch human coronaviruses very easily. We don't always catch theirs, but sometimes we do.
Its certainly not good news, and it means that true extermination of the virus is likely impossible, but, it doesn't mean that we immediately have to have a modified mink infecting strain which will jump back to us. Also, being in a mink farm with infectious animals is probably like spending 24 hours in an ER with no mask in terms of virus exposure.
So the countries that aren't run by "right-wing shithead assholes". . .what's their excuse? Happenstance? Also I love that Putin is now "right wing."
Parents will absolutely 100000% send their kids to school no matter how sick they are, and be forced to come pick them up later. This is standard, there's at least one in every class in every grade.