Any context on the Mrsassassin post? Maybe what "the arena" and "the CC" are? Reads like word salad to olds like me. I can't even tell who received the support she's thankful for, her or her husband.
I'm guessing some flavor of "toxic personality proves yet again it's not just a character act," but... Damn the range is still huge.
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Yeah I'm guessing sexual misconduct with a minor.
We'll see.
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CC is the Champion's Club, which is what he calls people who subscribe to him (most streamers have pet names for their subscribers to give it a community feel).
Arena I'm not sure about. His Discord server maybe?
Any context on the Mrsassassin post? Maybe what "the arena" and "the CC" are? Reads like word salad to olds like me.
I'm guessing some flavor of "toxic personality proves yet again it's not just a character act," but... Damn the range is still huge.
arena and CC are community specific terms.
The arena is where the community fictitiously gathers, CC is the community and stands for champions club (which is anyone that follows/subscribes to his channel iirc).
As much as I dislike DrDisrespect people are really going wild with their theories atm.
That seems kind of crazy, despite not liking the guy or thinking he's a good person that's a real big leap. People are just making up crimes and shit and trying to internet sleuth this thing and I don't think it's a great idea.
They could have simply reviewed his activity and decided some shit he did in the past voided the contract and since they aren't worried about Mixer stealing him who cares? Violations don't have to be recent or child porn to get a ban.
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Any context on the Mrsassassin post? Maybe what "the arena" and "the CC" are? Reads like word salad to olds like me.
I'm guessing some flavor of "toxic personality proves yet again it's not just a character act," but... Damn the range is still huge.
arena and CC are community specific terms.
The arena is where the community fictitiously gathers, CC is the community and stands for champions club (which is anyone that follows/subscribes to his channel iirc).
As much as I dislike DrDisrespect people are really going wild with their theories atm.
If it's something less heinous than what has been guessed here, then I'd say they were making a mistake by keeping it quiet.
Maybe if DrDisrespect were in some kind of fraud scheme and you didn't want to scare off his partners you might keep it quiet? But I would think the perma-ban would already send anyone like that scrambling so keeping quiet doesn't do anything.
What acts are worthy both of being perma-banned (we know that just holding a knife to a girl's neck on camera isn't enough to cause that, remember!) and worthy of this wall of silence. The implications of both are troubling.
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With all the other sexual stuff that's been thrown around and the disparity in response here I feel like it's something different. Multiple companies not just cutting him off but refunding money related to him makes my brain jump to something financially untoward related to his cash stream.
There's no more evidence of this than there is that he eats puppies, but Twitch's response just breeds speculation.
"Rapes an employee"=slow, measured response
"Undisclosed something"=ALL SHALL BE AS UNTO ASHES
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That seems kind of crazy, despite not liking the guy or thinking he's a good person that's a real big leap. People are just making up crimes and shit and trying to internet sleuth this thing and I don't think it's a great idea.
They could have simply reviewed his activity and decided some shit he did in the past voided the contract and since they aren't worried about Mixer stealing him who cares? Violations don't have to be recent or child porn to get a ban.
If it were just this, why is everyone, including both Twitch and the info leaker posted at the top of the page, refusing to give the reason due to the "sensitivity" of the situation? What situations merit that kind of silent sensitivity?
If it is something less awful than what has been guessed here, then this is a good lesson in PR for anyone who needs it: silence about something almost always causes speculation wildly out of proportion to the actual crime. Unless you've done something so bad that no one could possibly guess at it, then get out ahead of this stuff and tell your audience what you did.
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Twitch doesn't deserve any credit for banning him until they show they did so because he's a piece of shit and not just for damage control.
I'm glad he's gone. I only care why because this entire mop up really reeks of, "I'm sorry we got caught letting violent sexual predators get away with things for 6 years."
That seems kind of crazy, despite not liking the guy or thinking he's a good person that's a real big leap. People are just making up crimes and shit and trying to internet sleuth this thing and I don't think it's a great idea.
They could have simply reviewed his activity and decided some shit he did in the past voided the contract and since they aren't worried about Mixer stealing him who cares? Violations don't have to be recent or child porn to get a ban.
If it were just this, why is everyone, including both Twitch and the info leaker posted at the top of the page, refusing to give the reason due to the "sensitivity" of the situation? What situations merit that kind of silent sensitivity?
If it is something less awful than what has been guessed here, then this is a good lesson in PR for anyone who needs it: silence about something almost always causes speculation wildly out of proportion to the actual crime. Unless you've done something so bad that no one could possibly guess at it, then get out ahead of this stuff and tell your audience what you did.
Well the leak isn't leaking anything the ten thousand subscribers to his channel noticed as soon as the ban went through.
If there's an active investigation or he's been deposed/interviewed, he's wealthy enough to have lawyered the fuck up and been told to keep his mouth shut. Someone leaking it on their official twitter account could be charged with interfering in an investigation or libel.
I think he's done lots of shitty things. He's certainly done enough to earn a ban twenty times over by now. This latest thing could be a new event, it could be tax fraud, it could be anything. I don't have any faith in Twitch to actually respond reasonably right now to any of it, even if banning him is the right thing (and it is!) - I think they are probably going in hard because with his pattern of behavior they wont have to justify it, they can use it as a warning they're "serious business" now and move along with making money. Never having actually changed what they value in their platform.
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As far as Twitch responses goes I'm guessing its either because of some legal reason or because whatever was done makes them look bad and puts them under scrutiny.
Why I think sexual misconduct is likely. They already get a lot of criticism for the generally unmoderated nature of their site and that would just make things worse.
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Based on how his final stream ended, there's a fairly reasonable chance that his house/studio was raided by the police, so whatever it is he did seems like it's on the more serious side of things.
My wild speculation is he found a way to inflate some twitch metric to make it look like he is way more popular than he is, and twitch doesn't have a way to detect a it yet, so they don't want it getting out.
They found out the golden goose they were pampering is just taking shits in their living room.
With everything twitch is and has done, copyright claims taken more seriously than sexual assault charges, etc. That seems way more likely than he crossed a behavioral line that's both a step too far and also a secret.
If there was some sort of "Body of work" ban, Twitch would have dropped info and reasoning from the get go to try and blunt the usual internet backlash.
DrDisrespect would also be out there defending his brand and trying to lure someone else into paying him obscene amounts of money.
Run down the list of previously "survived" offenses and look at how those events transpired.
No one saying a thing speaks volumes and tells you this isn't the same thing.
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If there was some sort of "Body of work" ban, Twitch would have dropped info and reasoning from the get go to try and blunt the usual internet backlash.
DrDisrespect would also be out there defending his brand and trying to lure someone else into paying him obscene amounts of money.
Run down the list of previously "survived" offenses and look at how those events transpired.
No one saying a thing speaks volumes and tells you this isn't the same thing.
All depends on that sweet exclusivity contract he signed.
edit: It could be as simple as he's not an idiot and hired lawyers to protect his brand who told him to shut the fuck up.
I wouldn't be surprised if Twitch were more involved than in the other cases. He's actually under contract with them and isn't in the same boat as the average streamer.
So they need to detach themselves from him for whatever he did, without looking like they knew about it. It'll be leaked eventually, but it really could be anything.
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I hope it's not some new sexual assault. I know it's not intentional but fantasizing about the guy finally getting nailed to a wall and put in jail means there's a new victim somewhere.
That stream ending is crazy. The rapid decent in mood. The frantic look over the shoulder followed by an immediate shut down. Wow
I looked at the comments, Ray.
His fans are saying he just always does that, he's not into that game anymore and etcetc. But that was an absolute abrupt shift after he checked his phone, then an extended stare in a different direction than the rest of the video, the the end like you say. That wasn't the game eroding his mood, that was something outside distracting him, which seems to have come to a head at the end.
Some people say they can hear just after the 8 minute mark, "Ok hands up," or something similar, some people say that's a taunt line from whatever game that is.
The David Icke comment has been latched onto by the Q and other conspiracy communities apparently. For those that don't read that thread, Icke is a prominent lizard people theorist and the Q anon community believes he's using that as code to out the Democrat satanic pedovores. A couple early variations are generally along the lines that doc has been awakened and They had to silence him.
Crazy moves fast and facts don't exist.
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That stream ending is crazy. The rapid decent in mood. The frantic look over the shoulder followed by an immediate shut down. Wow
I looked at the comments, Ray.
His fans are saying he just always does that, he's not into that game anymore and etcetc. But that was an absolute abrupt shift after he checked his phone, then an extended stare in a different direction than the rest of the video, the the end like you say. That wasn't the game eroding his mood, that was something outside distracting him, which seems to have come to a head at the end.
Some people say they can hear just after the 8 minute mark, "Ok hands up," or something similar, some people say that's a taunt line from whatever game that is.
The David Icke comment has been latched onto by the Q and other conspiracy communities apparently. For those that don't read that thread, Icke is a prominent lizard people theorist and the Q anon community believes he's using that as code to out the Democrat satanic pedovores. A couple early variations are generally along the lines that doc has been awakened and They had to silence him.
Crazy moves fast and facts don't exist.
When I saw this post I assumed I had clicked through to the Conspiracy Theory thread and then wondered what the new post in Me Too thread was because I didn't remember reading it.
That's my bat signal to stop wildly speculating and just wait for info as it comes.
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People were bending over backwards to blame it on the camera operator, saying he didn’t mean to film minors, etc.
Minimizing is defending in my book.
Minimizing is a danger. So is maximizing. #Metoo offenses are obviously not all identical in severity; given that they aren't, there's a role for judgment in individually assessing them; and given that there's a role for judgment, it's predictable that there will be some natural distribution in judgments across people--some think the offense on the less severe side, others on the more, and so on within some range. This point is highly general and true even of crimes people find particularly heinous. No one thinks murder is "okay," yet people nonetheless frequently disagree over how, exactly, to think about a particular murder, which is why lawyers argue not only for innocence and guilt, but for harsher and lesser sentencing.
The fact that people bring different initial judgments doesn't in and of itself mean that anyone is immorally minimizing or maximizing what happened; it's a necessary consequence of the fact that we aren't omniscient, so we do our best with our limited faculties and end up coming to different conclusions. Ideally, by discussing, people can come to a better shared understanding than they began with. That discussion is unlikely to happen if any difference in judgment is itself immediately registered as morally bankrupt and offensive (or if the response is "I bet this is just you being racist" - come on). Given what I actually said in this thread, which bears only glancing resemblance to what people acted like I said, I got a bunch of subtweeting about me that I found unpleasant and inappropriate. That's too bad.
Harassment allegations against multiple genre authors
Over the last week several prominent genre authors have been accused of sexual harassment. First, Paul Krueger was accused of harassing numerous women in the publishing industry. Suzanne Walker wrote a thread about what happened to her, as did Alyssa Wong, and Wendy Xu. Krueger eventually wrote a unspecific apology before deleting his Twitter account.
In response to the allegations Krueger’s literary agent DongWon Song wrote about the situation and later announced he was ending his relationship with Krueger.
The second author was Myke Cole, who apologized after Cara McGee described what Cole did to her. Cole blamed being drunk but, as was pointed out, that doesn’t negate the harm done. In addition, Alexandra Erin and others questioned the apology, especially since Cole made a similar apology in 2018 over different allegations. Even Cole said he was “reiterating my 2018 apology here as it’s still germane.” (Update: Kate Welch has also written a disturbing thread on Cole's actions.)
A number of people have spoken out about the different treatment of Krueger, who is a person of color, and Cole, who is a white man. Krueger lost his agent and was generally shunned, while the same treatment has so far not happened to Cole. (Update: Cole's agent Joshua Bilmes says they have now "parted ways." while Angry Robot says they will publish no new books by Cole.)
Finally, there are now emerging allegations against author Sam Sykes, including from Megan O'Keefe. Alexandra Erin discusses additional allegations against Sykes, as does Matt Wallace.
Post contains sources for everything. I find it...completely unsurprising, sorry to say. Sci-Fi/Fantasy has quite a bit of a sordid story after all, like the Breen/Zimmer Bradley marriage and Ed Kramer being pedophiles. Like Hollywood and the gaming industry, there's a lot of incentives to not say anything.
Yeah it's been a big week in SFF. I follow a ton of authors and it's been pretty brutal. I was a huge fan of both Cole and Sykes, both their books and their general internet presence, the last few days have been very disappointing. Cole in particular, who has had some excellent articles about the military and policing. Oh well, doesn't make up for the harm he has caused.
I believe the thriller genre is having a similar episode but haven't jumped into that yet.
Based on how his final stream ended, there's a fairly reasonable chance that his house/studio was raided by the police, so whatever it is he did seems like it's on the more serious side of things.
I'll push back on that on the grounds that arrests leave records, and I'm confident that would have surfaced by now. (Also, I'd expect DrDisrespect to have a GoFundMe for legal fees by now.) On the other hand, if it was less serious, I'm confident he would have told everyone by now in an effort to control the narrative and downplay his actions.
The mentor relationships that established authors develop with high school students really leaves it open to being an awful place. I'm totally down with taking a long hard look at the industry.
I wouldn't say banning books would be great, but establishing real age groups for them based on the character of the author if they're required reading in school would be nice as a start. There's lots of obvious low hanging fruit like Orson Scott Card or Ayn Rand that should probably be given context if you're going to discuss it seriously but some of the most celebrated books are written by people that should have probably been in prison.
I liked A Catcher in the Rye, the only bad thing I knew about it when I read it was that people can be obsessed with it and someone shot John Lennon because of it. I didn't know anything about J. D. Salinger but I sure wish I'd have learned something about how he was a predatory fuck when it was an assigned as book in English class. Instead of talking about favorite parts of the story and stuff, someone should have brought up that he liked mailing underage authors and having them do naked meditation and groom them for sex at his isolated house under the guise of being a mentor.
There's something about it being a mentor/teacher relationship and not a business manager relationship that makes it differently gross in a way that people like to blow off.
Guy was talking about David Icke minutes before this so get ready for "Doc did nothing wrong" (and the persecution of his victim, assuming there is one) to get wrapped in every right wing conspiracy theory for the next several years.
Did anyone in this thread even know who the heck dr. d was before this?
(to be clear, I did not. still don't really)
Yeah, I've watched him before. He's good at battle royale games and his whole persona was an, at times, funny shtick. The production values on his stream were really high as well. All in all the first time watching a streamer felt like a high quality production and entertainment so I would go back and watch him every now and then.
Did anyone in this thread even know who the heck dr. d was before this?
(to be clear, I did not. still don't really)
Yes, he had actually become a point of argument literally the day before this happened. He's had two or three previous temporary Twitch bans, and the known circumstances of his infidelity were at least adjacent to this thread.
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Guy was talking about David Icke minutes before this so get ready for "Doc did nothing wrong" (and the persecution of his victim, assuming there is one) to get wrapped in every right wing conspiracy theory for the next several years.
I don't think Twitch would go as far as they did with Dr D over a sexual assault allegation.
I'm pretty sure we are looking at some sort of high level money fraud. Which would explain why Twitch would refund his subs so quickly and voluntarily. The theory I'm thinking is true is that he frauded people during charity streams.
Guy was talking about David Icke minutes before this so get ready for "Doc did nothing wrong" (and the persecution of his victim, assuming there is one) to get wrapped in every right wing conspiracy theory for the next several years.
I don't think Twitch would go as far as they did with Dr D over a sexual assault allegation.
I'm pretty sure we are looking at some sort of high level money fraud. Which would explain why Twitch would refund his subs so quickly and voluntarily. The theory I'm thinking is true is that he frauded people during charity streams.
I agree, considering there's been allegations of sexual assault of their employees and they didn't go this far. Maybe if there was an arrest, which would be a different game compared to other streamers that have been accused, but arrests would make records. His real name and approximate location are known and there's people on twitter trying to find those records as it is, and they don't seem to exist.
I hadn't considered charity fraud, which makes a lot of sense. My first guess was financial, too, but I was thinking money laundering, inflating both viewership and revenue to conceal the source of something else. I actually know somebody who had a "brilliant" (read: "clever but hilariously half baked") to sell weed and then use chat bots to donate the illegal income to himself through his video game stream side gig.
But he was dumb. He'd lose money selling water in the desert, nobody watched his stream, and then Michigan voted to legalize it about a month after he had the idea and it all became moot.
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Guy was talking about David Icke minutes before this so get ready for "Doc did nothing wrong" (and the persecution of his victim, assuming there is one) to get wrapped in every right wing conspiracy theory for the next several years.
I don't think Twitch would go as far as they did with Dr D over a sexual assault allegation.
I'm pretty sure we are looking at some sort of high level money fraud. Which would explain why Twitch would refund his subs so quickly and voluntarily. The theory I'm thinking is true is that he frauded people during charity streams.
The couple people online who credibly know have said they can’t talk about it because it’s very sensitive, and I don’t think that happens unless there’s a victim to protect, but I could be wrong.
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Guy was talking about David Icke minutes before this so get ready for "Doc did nothing wrong" (and the persecution of his victim, assuming there is one) to get wrapped in every right wing conspiracy theory for the next several years.
I don't think Twitch would go as far as they did with Dr D over a sexual assault allegation.
I'm pretty sure we are looking at some sort of high level money fraud. Which would explain why Twitch would refund his subs so quickly and voluntarily. The theory I'm thinking is true is that he frauded people during charity streams.
The couple people online who credibly know have said they can’t talk about it because it’s very sensitive, and I don’t think that happens unless there’s a victim to protect, but I could be wrong.
The popular theory is now that Dr was in talks to leave Twitch (potentially starting a new service) and was chatting with other streamers to get them to leave. This would explain the sensitivity statements by other people in the know since if they revealed they knew they too would get burned by Twitch. Would also make sense for Dr to leave now considering Twitch is getting hit by tons of sexual assault stuff and Mixer just went down. Probably the best time to start a competitor streaming service
Guy was talking about David Icke minutes before this so get ready for "Doc did nothing wrong" (and the persecution of his victim, assuming there is one) to get wrapped in every right wing conspiracy theory for the next several years.
I don't think Twitch would go as far as they did with Dr D over a sexual assault allegation.
I'm pretty sure we are looking at some sort of high level money fraud. Which would explain why Twitch would refund his subs so quickly and voluntarily. The theory I'm thinking is true is that he frauded people during charity streams.
The couple people online who credibly know have said they can’t talk about it because it’s very sensitive, and I don’t think that happens unless there’s a victim to protect, but I could be wrong.
The popular theory is now that Dr was in talks to leave Twitch (potentially starting a new service) and was chatting with other streamers to get them to leave. This would explain the sensitivity statements by other people in the know since if they revealed they knew they too would get burned by Twitch. Would also make sense for Dr to leave now considering Twitch is getting hit by tons of sexual assault stuff and Mixer just went down. Probably the best time to start a competitor streaming service
If this was the reason I don't see why people like Slasher wouldn't leak it because of "importance and sensitivity".
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I'm guessing some flavor of "toxic personality proves yet again it's not just a character act," but... Damn the range is still huge.
We'll see.
Arena I'm not sure about. His Discord server maybe?
arena and CC are community specific terms.
The arena is where the community fictitiously gathers, CC is the community and stands for champions club (which is anyone that follows/subscribes to his channel iirc).
As much as I dislike DrDisrespect people are really going wild with their theories atm.
No information has actually been released.
Obviously he rapes children?
That seems kind of crazy, despite not liking the guy or thinking he's a good person that's a real big leap. People are just making up crimes and shit and trying to internet sleuth this thing and I don't think it's a great idea.
They could have simply reviewed his activity and decided some shit he did in the past voided the contract and since they aren't worried about Mixer stealing him who cares? Violations don't have to be recent or child porn to get a ban.
If it's something less heinous than what has been guessed here, then I'd say they were making a mistake by keeping it quiet.
Maybe if DrDisrespect were in some kind of fraud scheme and you didn't want to scare off his partners you might keep it quiet? But I would think the perma-ban would already send anyone like that scrambling so keeping quiet doesn't do anything.
What acts are worthy both of being perma-banned (we know that just holding a knife to a girl's neck on camera isn't enough to cause that, remember!) and worthy of this wall of silence. The implications of both are troubling.
There's no more evidence of this than there is that he eats puppies, but Twitch's response just breeds speculation.
"Rapes an employee"=slow, measured response
"Undisclosed something"=ALL SHALL BE AS UNTO ASHES
If it were just this, why is everyone, including both Twitch and the info leaker posted at the top of the page, refusing to give the reason due to the "sensitivity" of the situation? What situations merit that kind of silent sensitivity?
If it is something less awful than what has been guessed here, then this is a good lesson in PR for anyone who needs it: silence about something almost always causes speculation wildly out of proportion to the actual crime. Unless you've done something so bad that no one could possibly guess at it, then get out ahead of this stuff and tell your audience what you did.
I'm glad he's gone. I only care why because this entire mop up really reeks of, "I'm sorry we got caught letting violent sexual predators get away with things for 6 years."
Well the leak isn't leaking anything the ten thousand subscribers to his channel noticed as soon as the ban went through.
If there's an active investigation or he's been deposed/interviewed, he's wealthy enough to have lawyered the fuck up and been told to keep his mouth shut. Someone leaking it on their official twitter account could be charged with interfering in an investigation or libel.
I think he's done lots of shitty things. He's certainly done enough to earn a ban twenty times over by now. This latest thing could be a new event, it could be tax fraud, it could be anything. I don't have any faith in Twitch to actually respond reasonably right now to any of it, even if banning him is the right thing (and it is!) - I think they are probably going in hard because with his pattern of behavior they wont have to justify it, they can use it as a warning they're "serious business" now and move along with making money. Never having actually changed what they value in their platform.
Why I think sexual misconduct is likely. They already get a lot of criticism for the generally unmoderated nature of their site and that would just make things worse.
They found out the golden goose they were pampering is just taking shits in their living room.
With everything twitch is and has done, copyright claims taken more seriously than sexual assault charges, etc. That seems way more likely than he crossed a behavioral line that's both a step too far and also a secret.
DrDisrespect would also be out there defending his brand and trying to lure someone else into paying him obscene amounts of money.
Run down the list of previously "survived" offenses and look at how those events transpired.
No one saying a thing speaks volumes and tells you this isn't the same thing.
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All depends on that sweet exclusivity contract he signed.
edit: It could be as simple as he's not an idiot and hired lawyers to protect his brand who told him to shut the fuck up.
I wouldn't be surprised if Twitch were more involved than in the other cases. He's actually under contract with them and isn't in the same boat as the average streamer.
So they need to detach themselves from him for whatever he did, without looking like they knew about it. It'll be leaked eventually, but it really could be anything.
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I hope it's not some new sexual assault. I know it's not intentional but fantasizing about the guy finally getting nailed to a wall and put in jail means there's a new victim somewhere.
Maybe Twitch did a background check and found out he's not actually a Doctor.
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I looked at the comments, Ray.
His fans are saying he just always does that, he's not into that game anymore and etcetc. But that was an absolute abrupt shift after he checked his phone, then an extended stare in a different direction than the rest of the video, the the end like you say. That wasn't the game eroding his mood, that was something outside distracting him, which seems to have come to a head at the end.
Some people say they can hear just after the 8 minute mark, "Ok hands up," or something similar, some people say that's a taunt line from whatever game that is.
The David Icke comment has been latched onto by the Q and other conspiracy communities apparently. For those that don't read that thread, Icke is a prominent lizard people theorist and the Q anon community believes he's using that as code to out the Democrat satanic pedovores. A couple early variations are generally along the lines that doc has been awakened and They had to silence him.
Crazy moves fast and facts don't exist.
When I saw this post I assumed I had clicked through to the Conspiracy Theory thread and then wondered what the new post in Me Too thread was because I didn't remember reading it.
That's my bat signal to stop wildly speculating and just wait for info as it comes.
Minimizing is a danger. So is maximizing. #Metoo offenses are obviously not all identical in severity; given that they aren't, there's a role for judgment in individually assessing them; and given that there's a role for judgment, it's predictable that there will be some natural distribution in judgments across people--some think the offense on the less severe side, others on the more, and so on within some range. This point is highly general and true even of crimes people find particularly heinous. No one thinks murder is "okay," yet people nonetheless frequently disagree over how, exactly, to think about a particular murder, which is why lawyers argue not only for innocence and guilt, but for harsher and lesser sentencing.
The fact that people bring different initial judgments doesn't in and of itself mean that anyone is immorally minimizing or maximizing what happened; it's a necessary consequence of the fact that we aren't omniscient, so we do our best with our limited faculties and end up coming to different conclusions. Ideally, by discussing, people can come to a better shared understanding than they began with. That discussion is unlikely to happen if any difference in judgment is itself immediately registered as morally bankrupt and offensive (or if the response is "I bet this is just you being racist" - come on). Given what I actually said in this thread, which bears only glancing resemblance to what people acted like I said, I got a bunch of subtweeting about me that I found unpleasant and inappropriate. That's too bad.
Post contains sources for everything. I find it...completely unsurprising, sorry to say. Sci-Fi/Fantasy has quite a bit of a sordid story after all, like the Breen/Zimmer Bradley marriage and Ed Kramer being pedophiles. Like Hollywood and the gaming industry, there's a lot of incentives to not say anything.
I believe the thriller genre is having a similar episode but haven't jumped into that yet.
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I'll push back on that on the grounds that arrests leave records, and I'm confident that would have surfaced by now. (Also, I'd expect DrDisrespect to have a GoFundMe for legal fees by now.) On the other hand, if it was less serious, I'm confident he would have told everyone by now in an effort to control the narrative and downplay his actions.
I wouldn't say banning books would be great, but establishing real age groups for them based on the character of the author if they're required reading in school would be nice as a start. There's lots of obvious low hanging fruit like Orson Scott Card or Ayn Rand that should probably be given context if you're going to discuss it seriously but some of the most celebrated books are written by people that should have probably been in prison.
I liked A Catcher in the Rye, the only bad thing I knew about it when I read it was that people can be obsessed with it and someone shot John Lennon because of it. I didn't know anything about J. D. Salinger but I sure wish I'd have learned something about how he was a predatory fuck when it was an assigned as book in English class. Instead of talking about favorite parts of the story and stuff, someone should have brought up that he liked mailing underage authors and having them do naked meditation and groom them for sex at his isolated house under the guise of being a mentor.
There's something about it being a mentor/teacher relationship and not a business manager relationship that makes it differently gross in a way that people like to blow off.
Everyone still listens to Michael Jackson.
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Guy was talking about David Icke minutes before this so get ready for "Doc did nothing wrong" (and the persecution of his victim, assuming there is one) to get wrapped in every right wing conspiracy theory for the next several years.
(to be clear, I did not. still don't really)
Yeah, I've watched him before. He's good at battle royale games and his whole persona was an, at times, funny shtick. The production values on his stream were really high as well. All in all the first time watching a streamer felt like a high quality production and entertainment so I would go back and watch him every now and then.
Yes, he had actually become a point of argument literally the day before this happened. He's had two or three previous temporary Twitch bans, and the known circumstances of his infidelity were at least adjacent to this thread.
I don't think Twitch would go as far as they did with Dr D over a sexual assault allegation.
I'm pretty sure we are looking at some sort of high level money fraud. Which would explain why Twitch would refund his subs so quickly and voluntarily. The theory I'm thinking is true is that he frauded people during charity streams.
I agree, considering there's been allegations of sexual assault of their employees and they didn't go this far. Maybe if there was an arrest, which would be a different game compared to other streamers that have been accused, but arrests would make records. His real name and approximate location are known and there's people on twitter trying to find those records as it is, and they don't seem to exist.
I hadn't considered charity fraud, which makes a lot of sense. My first guess was financial, too, but I was thinking money laundering, inflating both viewership and revenue to conceal the source of something else. I actually know somebody who had a "brilliant" (read: "clever but hilariously half baked") to sell weed and then use chat bots to donate the illegal income to himself through his video game stream side gig.
But he was dumb. He'd lose money selling water in the desert, nobody watched his stream, and then Michigan voted to legalize it about a month after he had the idea and it all became moot.
The couple people online who credibly know have said they can’t talk about it because it’s very sensitive, and I don’t think that happens unless there’s a victim to protect, but I could be wrong.
The popular theory is now that Dr was in talks to leave Twitch (potentially starting a new service) and was chatting with other streamers to get them to leave. This would explain the sensitivity statements by other people in the know since if they revealed they knew they too would get burned by Twitch. Would also make sense for Dr to leave now considering Twitch is getting hit by tons of sexual assault stuff and Mixer just went down. Probably the best time to start a competitor streaming service
If this was the reason I don't see why people like Slasher wouldn't leak it because of "importance and sensitivity".