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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    I've been waiting to be excited for the Eternals and I finally am!

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    When asked why they didn't interfere with Thanos, they said they were instructed not to interfere unless it involved the Deviants. But IIRC that's exactly what he was in the comics.

    Are they changing Thanos' origin to be something else? It would work perfectly well if they did change it.

  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    When asked why they didn't interfere with Thanos, they said they were instructed not to interfere unless it involved the Deviants. But IIRC that's exactly what he was in the comics.

    Are they changing Thanos' origin to be something else? It would work perfectly well if they did change it.

    I've never read a Thanos-related comic book but, movie-wise, Thanos is a Titan from Titan. The Eternals trailer is, so far as I'm aware, the first time the word "Deviant" as a proper noun has appeared in an MCU property.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    When asked why they didn't interfere with Thanos, they said they were instructed not to interfere unless it involved the Deviants. But IIRC that's exactly what he was in the comics.

    Are they changing Thanos' origin to be something else? It would work perfectly well if they did change it.

    I've never read a Thanos-related comic book but, movie-wise, Thanos is a Titan from Titan. The Eternals trailer is, so far as I'm aware, the first time the word "Deviant" as a proper noun has appeared in an MCU property.

    In the comics, I believe Titan is a second enclave built by the Eternals who left Earth after a civil war, and all Titans are Eternals

    It might be easier for them just to say "there are aliens living on Titan" and dust their hands, but it's so close to Earth that it's kinda weird

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    I get the strong impression that MCU titan is in no way related to our solar system's Titan. If it were, Earth wouldn't exist or be something Thanos needed briefing on.

    And hopefully they can keep Variants and Deviants organized and easy for people to follow along with.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    I get the strong impression that MCU titan is in no way related to our solar system's Titan. If it were, Earth wouldn't exist or be something Thanos needed briefing on.

    And hopefully they can keep Variants and Deviants organized and easy for people to follow along with.

    Ah you might be right; it might be a planet in another system, which is a bit confusing but probably less confusing than all the Eternal/Deviant stuff in the comics

    I'm curious about the background of Titan and its inhabitants but it's probably best left unexplained

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    As mentioned, in the comics, Titans were a second enclave of Eternals, of which Thanos is one. He just had a recessive Deviant gene, which is why he looks like a giant prune.

    I'm pretty sure they've dropped that for the mcu.

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    I kind of like how Richard Madden's character is basically "Superman but yellow eye-lasers." They don't even give a shit. Marvel apparently decided that since the best version DC could come up with was on the CW it was fair game for them to just say "Okay we'll do him justice on the big screen" and make him part of an ensemble of weirdos in probably the biggest gamble film they've made in seven years.

    How long until Marvel just says fuck it and brings in Hyperion, who may or may not be played by Henry Cavill.

    Just to be mean, they even give him a mustache.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    As mentioned, in the comics, Titans were a second enclave of Eternals, of which Thanos is one. He just had a recessive Deviant gene, which is why he looks like a giant prune.

    I'm pretty sure they've dropped that for the mcu.

    I agree. MCU Titan appears to be just a planet that used to be home to a very powerful yet mortal alien race which Thanos is a survivor if not the sole remainder.

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  • ManetherenWolfManetherenWolf Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    I kind of like how Richard Madden's character is basically "Superman but yellow eye-lasers." They don't even give a shit. Marvel apparently decided that since the best version DC could come up with was on the CW it was fair game for them to just say "Okay we'll do him justice on the big screen" and make him part of an ensemble of weirdos in probably the biggest gamble film they've made in seven years.

    How long until Marvel just says fuck it and brings in Hyperion, who may or may not be played by Henry Cavill.

    … that would be hilarious and amazing.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    When asked why they didn't interfere with Thanos, they said they were instructed not to interfere unless it involved the Deviants. But IIRC that's exactly what he was in the comics.

    Are they changing Thanos' origin to be something else? It would work perfectly well if they did change it.

    Also, in IW he was only on Earth for a couple minutes. Just long enough to get the mind stone and snap his fingers.

    Wouldn’t have killed the Eternals to lend a hand in Endgame though. Even that battle had Thanos on Earth for an hour or more.

  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    I get the strong impression that MCU titan is in no way related to our solar system's Titan. If it were, Earth wouldn't exist or be something Thanos needed briefing on.

    And hopefully they can keep Variants and Deviants organized and easy for people to follow along with.

    Ah you might be right; it might be a planet in another system, which is a bit confusing but probably less confusing than all the Eternal/Deviant stuff in the comics

    I'm curious about the background of Titan and its inhabitants but it's probably best left unexplained

    The fight with Iron Man, Strange, etc. was on Titan. After Thanos portaled away and the snap left Stark and Nebula stranded, the stranding doesn't seem like it would have been a problem if they were still in Sol system given that it's Stark.

    Also, the Titan where they fought had a breathable atmosphere and at least one moon of its own. Titan-the-moon most assuredly does not.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    I kind of like how Richard Madden's character is basically "Superman but yellow eye-lasers." They don't even give a shit. Marvel apparently decided that since the best version DC could come up with was on the CW it was fair game for them to just say "Okay we'll do him justice on the big screen" and make him part of an ensemble of weirdos in probably the biggest gamble film they've made in seven years.

    How long until Marvel just says fuck it and brings in Hyperion, who may or may not be played by Henry Cavill.

    … that would be hilarious and amazing.

    Squadron Supreme or Squadron Sinister though?

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  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    Kinda hype for Eternals if only because this is the first time I'll be going into an MCU thing 100% blind with no clue who anyone is or how they connect to anything. It's certainly a movie that exists and that's all I know.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    So some set photos of Spidey: No Way Home have leaked

    Big time possible spoilers
    double triple spoiled for real
    A set being made heavily resembles Kingpin's office from the Daredevil Netflix series.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    So some set photos of Spidey: No Way Home have leaked

    Big time possible spoilers
    double triple spoiled for real
    A set being made heavily resembles Kingpin's office from the Daredevil Netflix series.

    If this is a joke or somehow designed to mislead me I will RAGE.

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    Damn, got spoiled on a certain character showing up in Shang-Chi.

    Thanks Google and Entertainment Weekly, you fuckers! I just wanted to look up what show is coming out after What If?

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Decided to start Phase 2 rewatch despite no Hulk movie

    Phase 2 is off to a terrible start with Iron Man 3 and Thor: The Dark World

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    I like Iron Man 3.

    Thor: the Dark World is definitely a low point for the MCU though.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Im3 definitely gets bonus points for starting with Blue by Effiel 65

    And slicked hair, single earring jon favreau

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  • Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    I loooooved Iron Man 3 and think Thor 2 gets a bad rap and it's much better than the hyperbole that gets thrown around about it.

    That's just me though.

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Thor: the Dark World, while the least of the MCU, is still a perfectly decent mindless action movie, in my opinion. While bland in many ways, it also has a lot of really excellent scenes with Thor and Loki, and that counts a lot for me personally.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    My main issue with IM3 is how frivolous it feels. Even the Mandarin fake out feels dated. He mentions native americans as a means to shame the American legacy (while appropriate for real life, movies don't handle this with a deft hand). It feels a little hollow to use natives as props for your movie. Marvel movies probably shouldn't touch that with a ten inch pole.

    I'm thinking IM3 is more offensive than Thor 2. I'm okay with them tackling PTSD and anxiety from a hero's perspective, but not using the deaths of real life thousands to illustrate it.

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  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    I can't take most Thor 2 criticism seriously because Iron Man 2 should be firmly holding the bottom spot of your MCU rankings and notions to the contrary are clearly personal and not objective. You can dislike any or all MCU movies more than Iron Man 2, but if you want me to believe that Iron Man 2 succeeds on any critical metric in comparison to your MCU Most Hated you're going to have to show your work

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I like IM 3 less each time I rewatch it

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Ringo wrote: »
    I can't take most Thor 2 criticism seriously because Iron Man 2 should be firmly holding the bottom spot of your MCU rankings and notions to the contrary are clearly personal and not objective. You can dislike any or all MCU movies more than Iron Man 2, but if you want me to believe that Iron Man 2 succeeds on any critical metric in comparison to your MCU Most Hated you're going to have to show your work

    I'd honestly be more curious to hear why you believe Iron Man 2 should be rated so low; I don't even think of it as the worst film in the Iron Man series.

  • McFodderMcFodder Registered User regular
    I will never not laugh at the second post-credit scene for Dark World, and for that alone it scores some points with me.

    Also the Chris Evans cameo.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    I opted to watch The Green Knight over The Dark World. No regrets so far.

  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    Im3 definitely gets bonus points for starting with Blue by Effiel 65

    And slicked hair, single earring jon favreau

    I dunno. That struck me as lazy. Having him look like Travolta in Pulp Fiction isn’t a bad gag, but then you stop and realize that it would have been 5 years since that movie came out…

  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    Thor 2 and IM 2 are completely forgettable, as in I can't remember anything about them except that one bit in each, you know the bit, the teleporting fight that was kinda interesting and the race track suitcase suit. They're both examples IMO of Marvel getting a little greedy, IM2 especially, about setting up wider universes and overarching stories.

    IM3 is bad because it's boring. There are better ways to explore PTSD than keeping your main character out of the suit for most of the runtime, faking out on his arch nemesis, and the main villain being upset he got snubbed. It was a waste of the Extremis plot as well.

  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    IM3 is bad because it's boring. There are better ways to explore PTSD than keeping your main character out of the suit for most of the runtime, faking out on his arch nemesis, and the main villain being upset he got snubbed. It was a waste of the Extremis plot as well.

    IM3s villain woes are the result of Perlmutter. Rebecca Hall was meant to be the villain, Killian wasn’t even originally in it. It’s the source of the infamous ‘girls don’t sell toys’ line from Perlmutter.

    I’m not excusing the final product, but it should have been a different movie.

  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    IM3 is bad because it's boring. There are better ways to explore PTSD than keeping your main character out of the suit for most of the runtime, faking out on his arch nemesis, and the main villain being upset he got snubbed. It was a waste of the Extremis plot as well.

    IM3s villain woes are the result of Perlmutter. Rebecca Hall was meant to be the villain, Killian wasn’t even originally in it. It’s the source of the infamous ‘girls don’t sell toys’ line from Perlmutter.

    I’m not excusing the final product, but it should have been a different movie.

    How would it have been drastically different though? Presumably, all roads lead back to big CGI fest and Gwyneth Paltrow saving the day?

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    IM3 is bad because it's boring. There are better ways to explore PTSD than keeping your main character out of the suit for most of the runtime, faking out on his arch nemesis, and the main villain being upset he got snubbed. It was a waste of the Extremis plot as well.

    IM3s villain woes are the result of Perlmutter. Rebecca Hall was meant to be the villain, Killian wasn’t even originally in it. It’s the source of the infamous ‘girls don’t sell toys’ line from Perlmutter.

    I’m not excusing the final product, but it should have been a different movie.

    How would it have been drastically different though? Presumably, all roads lead back to big CGI fest and Gwyneth Paltrow saving the day?

    Not drastically but I'd prefer Hall's scientist over Guy Pearce's boring Stane retread without any of Stane's charisma or personality. The IM films have a problem with recycling male corrupt CEO's.

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Ringo wrote: »
    I can't take most Thor 2 criticism seriously because Iron Man 2 should be firmly holding the bottom spot of your MCU rankings and notions to the contrary are clearly personal and not objective. You can dislike any or all MCU movies more than Iron Man 2, but if you want me to believe that Iron Man 2 succeeds on any critical metric in comparison to your MCU Most Hated you're going to have to show your work

    Counterpoint: IM2 has Sam Rockwell chewing lots of scenery. And lollipops.

  • That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    I like all the MCU movies. Thor 2 holds a special place in my heart because it had Malekith and The Dark Elves. Being a fan of Warhammer, I want more of them.

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    IM3 is bad because it's boring. There are better ways to explore PTSD than keeping your main character out of the suit for most of the runtime, faking out on his arch nemesis, and the main villain being upset he got snubbed. It was a waste of the Extremis plot as well.

    IM3s villain woes are the result of Perlmutter. Rebecca Hall was meant to be the villain, Killian wasn’t even originally in it. It’s the source of the infamous ‘girls don’t sell toys’ line from Perlmutter.

    I’m not excusing the final product, but it should have been a different movie.

    How would it have been drastically different though? Presumably, all roads lead back to big CGI fest and Gwyneth Paltrow saving the day?

    Oh shit, I just remembered that! The thought of Pepper Potts as this secret superhero (with her Rescue suit) still appeals to me, even if the actress decidedly doesn't.

    ... I wonder if their kid inherited any of that. I know Ironheart is next on the docket for anything IM related, but it would be really cool to have her pop up in future stories.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    I came genuinely close to shutting Thor 2 off which is not a thing I do to a movie often. Never went back for seconds.

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  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    I can't take most Thor 2 criticism seriously because Iron Man 2 should be firmly holding the bottom spot of your MCU rankings and notions to the contrary are clearly personal and not objective. You can dislike any or all MCU movies more than Iron Man 2, but if you want me to believe that Iron Man 2 succeeds on any critical metric in comparison to your MCU Most Hated you're going to have to show your work

    I'd honestly be more curious to hear why you believe Iron Man 2 should be rated so low; I don't even think of it as the worst film in the Iron Man series.

    It's a gigantic mess of a movie and for a variety of reasons. Besides just the woeful use of its actors, it tries the "No Script" setup of Iron Man 1 but 1) Is trying to lift parts of the "Demon in a bottle" storyline to do the heavy lifting for the movie, which is a challenging choice to improv, 2) Are prevented from using alcoholism in the story and instead shoehorn in... blood poisoning which is not remotely the same beats, 3) Are forced to detour to put in MCU/Avengers setup which clearly takes time away from the actual plot of the movie. 4) Which is why Justin Hammer and Whiplash have only one scene each with Stark and then one scene together. Tony spends more time talking to Nick Fury than either of the villains. 5) the ending is a muddled mess because it's clear nobody has any reason to care by that point, cue the cgi punchup where Rhodey is firsf a puppet and then a joke (the Ex-Wife) and Whiplash would rather blow himself up than be in this movie any longer.

    Tony Stark cures his alcoholism self-destructive behaviors inability to cope with his own mortality by building a better ARC Reactor. How's that for a satisfying payoff to Tony's IM2 journey! It's almost like when he built the ARC Reactor in IM1 except with zero of the emotional weight of Yensin dying or Tony learning a lesson in morality and ethics!

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