Yeah not to be overly critical but the whole joke with Hank Scorpio is that he is an out supervillain who is a good boss. Musk is the polar opposite of that. He sets himself up as a savior of the world and techmaster who is a literal monster if you pull at the cover a little bit.
So basically he's goldfinger without the gold obsession
He wants to be the Emperor of Mars.
I'm not making this up.
Let's strap his ass to the nose of a Flacon Heavy and send him on his way.
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Also if you don't establish a base on the moon before Mars you're just asking to die. A moon base would be integral for launching the amount of supplies that a new colony would need without the atmospheric drag of Earth hindering things. Without the base you're so limited that any emergency in the new colony is automatic game over for everyone there.
Realistically, any mars base is going to be underground anyways probably, and at that point the moon is closer. And lower gravity, which is good for building stuff. Although lunar regolith is all sharp and pointy, which is a downside (Mars may have almost no atmosphere, but it's got enough for weathering effects to happen).
I still don't understand why they want to go to Mars right away! The MOON is right there, barely touched, and much more feasible to start a colony there.
It might be easier to make it work on Mars for a couple of reasons. Mars has water is probably the biggest one. I imagine the temperature being less extreme in how much it varies would also be a factor. Possibly the day/night cycle too, but that seems less important.
I still don't understand why they want to go to Mars right away! The MOON is right there, barely touched, and much more feasible to start a colony there.
If you want to live in an inhospitable hellscape far from civilization, Wyoming is much closer and has a breathable atmosphere.
Ad Astra had a pretty good depiction of how shitty living on a Mars colony would probably be even if our space program was way more advanced than it currently is.
Also had the libertarian wet dream / capitalist hell hole of a moon colony.
I still don't understand why they want to go to Mars right away! The MOON is right there, barely touched, and much more feasible to start a colony there.
It might be easier to make it work on Mars for a couple of reasons. Mars has water is probably the biggest one. I imagine the temperature being less extreme in how much it varies would also be a factor. Possibly the day/night cycle too, but that seems less important.
Thought the probe confirmed Mars had water in the past, but not anymore
I still don't understand why they want to go to Mars right away! The MOON is right there, barely touched, and much more feasible to start a colony there.
It might be easier to make it work on Mars for a couple of reasons. Mars has water is probably the biggest one. I imagine the temperature being less extreme in how much it varies would also be a factor. Possibly the day/night cycle too, but that seems less important.
Thought the probe confirmed Mars had water in the past, but not anymore
There is no liquid water, but I am pretty sure the ice caps have a lot of solid water in them. Well they think there is last I heard. Definitely want to check that out more before starting up a colony.
Edit: A quick google says as of December last year it was still thought to have water in the polar ice caps that is also mixed with a bunch of solid CO2. So, not great but workable maybe.
There's also water on the moon, its in permanently shadowed craters at the poles.
That said, in terms of "moonbase making it easier to resupply mars", uh, no, not really. Not unless you meant setting up the moon to actually produce things on a large industrial scale, which would probably takes decades of terrestrial launches to complete. And the moon->mars time frame is still limited by the relative positions of earth-mars for sending stuff.
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Terraforming mars isn't exactly plausible, but it's theoretically possible.
Terraforming the moon is basically impossible. I would not consider having a moon base analogous to having a colony there.
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Anything can be a colony if you have enough people there fucking.
Ad Astra had a pretty good depiction of how shitty living on a Mars colony would probably be even if our space program was way more advanced than it currently is.
Also had the libertarian wet dream / capitalist hell hole of a moon colony.
I still don't understand why they want to go to Mars right away! The MOON is right there, barely touched, and much more feasible to start a colony there.
Mars has an atmosphere. It's a crappy one, but it does have one and it's enough to block out a lot of radiation. And it's a real planet. Who wants to be an emperor of just a moon?
(Also Mars has two moons, so nyah!)
Anyway, who cares? Let him go be Emperor there if he wants. We gots problems to solve here. On a slightly on topic note, the Commisioner of the Metropolitan police just resigned because she was unable to present a convincing plan to address endemic racism (amongst other such issues) in the Met.
The Mayor had asked her to make a start on this in 2018. Some might say that over 3 years was enough. Even when there's a pandemic, we have email and telephones and whatnot. I feel that she could have rung around a few other forces where racism has been address, or at least the attempt made, and swiped a few ideas, IDK. Perhaps she tried to come up with a scheme, but the fact is that the end result is yet another case of senior officers quitting rather than even attempt to take serious action to challenge a racist police culture.
Kinda feels like there might be a reason for that.
"When I said take me to the moon, I never meant take me alone
I thought if mankind toured the sky it meant all of us could go
But I don't wanna see the stars if its just one more piece of land
For us to colonize, for us to turn to sand"
Earth needs to remain habitable for any kind of space exploration to be viable. It is the base of operations and without it any kind of venture is doomed. No supplies, no refueling, no backup. The best that'll happen is a small group of people get a very unique coffin ever sailing into the empty abyss.
yeah we are about as far from reliably self-sustaining space colonies as we are from having a permanent moon base, it might even be harder than establishing a colony on Mars.
Earth needs to remain habitable for any kind of space exploration to be viable. It is the base of operations and without it any kind of venture is doomed. No supplies, no refueling, no backup. The best that'll happen is a small group of people get a very unique coffin ever sailing into the empty abyss.
It's kind of weird that so many people have bought into the idea that we can escape and fix a world that is worse off than the earth may ever be when we can't even fix the earth. It's like your house has become unlivable because you don't know how to take care of it and you think the solution is to move to an empty lot and build a house from scratch.
Earth needs to remain habitable for any kind of space exploration to be viable. It is the base of operations and without it any kind of venture is doomed. No supplies, no refueling, no backup. The best that'll happen is a small group of people get a very unique coffin ever sailing into the empty abyss.
It's kind of weird that so many people have bought into the idea that we can escape and fix a world that is worse off than the earth may ever be when we can't even fix the earth. It's like your house has become unlivable because you don't know how to take care of it and you think the solution is to move to an empty lot and build a house from scratch.
Earth needs to remain habitable for any kind of space exploration to be viable. It is the base of operations and without it any kind of venture is doomed. No supplies, no refueling, no backup. The best that'll happen is a small group of people get a very unique coffin ever sailing into the empty abyss.
It's kind of weird that so many people have bought into the idea that we can escape and fix a world that is worse off than the earth may ever be when we can't even fix the earth. It's like your house has become unlivable because you don't know how to take care of it and you think the solution is to move to an empty lot and build a house from scratch.
also there's no oxygen or water at the new place
With a little can-do attitude and some elbow grease, you ain't need those.
Earth needs to remain habitable for any kind of space exploration to be viable. It is the base of operations and without it any kind of venture is doomed. No supplies, no refueling, no backup. The best that'll happen is a small group of people get a very unique coffin ever sailing into the empty abyss.
It's kind of weird that so many people have bought into the idea that we can escape and fix a world that is worse off than the earth may ever be when we can't even fix the earth. It's like your house has become unlivable because you don't know how to take care of it and you think the solution is to move to an empty lot and build a house from scratch.
also there's no oxygen or water at the new place
You say that like it's going to disincentive corporations.
Because what is their labor force going to do, quit working for them? If they stop working, then how are they going to breathe?
Earth needs to remain habitable for any kind of space exploration to be viable. It is the base of operations and without it any kind of venture is doomed. No supplies, no refueling, no backup. The best that'll happen is a small group of people get a very unique coffin ever sailing into the empty abyss.
It's kind of weird that so many people have bought into the idea that we can escape and fix a world that is worse off than the earth may ever be when we can't even fix the earth. It's like your house has become unlivable because you don't know how to take care of it and you think the solution is to move to an empty lot and build a house from scratch.
The actual arguemnt is that in learning how to live on another planet, we could apply that to helping fix things here on Earth. Though, I have low expectations that any corporation that does so will have much of an interest in doing such.
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there is a pretty good best case scenario where all the plutocrats and assorted shitbirds do fly off to find another planet or die in space or whatever and we got to keep earth.
there is a pretty good best case scenario where all the plutocrats and assorted shitbirds do fly off to find another planet or die in space or whatever and we got to keep earth.
Earth needs to remain habitable for any kind of space exploration to be viable. It is the base of operations and without it any kind of venture is doomed. No supplies, no refueling, no backup. The best that'll happen is a small group of people get a very unique coffin ever sailing into the empty abyss.
It's kind of weird that so many people have bought into the idea that we can escape and fix a world that is worse off than the earth may ever be when we can't even fix the earth. It's like your house has become unlivable because you don't know how to take care of it and you think the solution is to move to an empty lot and build a house from scratch.
The actual arguemnt is that in learning how to live on another planet, we could apply that to helping fix things here on Earth. Though, I have low expectations that any corporation that does so will have much of an interest in doing such.
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It might be easier to make it work on Mars for a couple of reasons. Mars has water is probably the biggest one. I imagine the temperature being less extreme in how much it varies would also be a factor. Possibly the day/night cycle too, but that seems less important.
If you want to live in an inhospitable hellscape far from civilization, Wyoming is much closer and has a breathable atmosphere.
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Fucking up is another version of terraforming!
Also had the libertarian wet dream / capitalist hell hole of a moon colony.
Probably the best parts of that movie.
Thought the probe confirmed Mars had water in the past, but not anymore
There is no liquid water, but I am pretty sure the ice caps have a lot of solid water in them. Well they think there is last I heard. Definitely want to check that out more before starting up a colony.
Edit: A quick google says as of December last year it was still thought to have water in the polar ice caps that is also mixed with a bunch of solid CO2. So, not great but workable maybe.
That said, in terms of "moonbase making it easier to resupply mars", uh, no, not really. Not unless you meant setting up the moon to actually produce things on a large industrial scale, which would probably takes decades of terrestrial launches to complete. And the moon->mars time frame is still limited by the relative positions of earth-mars for sending stuff.
Sorry, someone's already running Mars.
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Terraforming the moon is basically impossible. I would not consider having a moon base analogous to having a colony there.
Everything about that movie was great
Mars has an atmosphere. It's a crappy one, but it does have one and it's enough to block out a lot of radiation. And it's a real planet. Who wants to be an emperor of just a moon?
(Also Mars has two moons, so nyah!)
Anyway, who cares? Let him go be Emperor there if he wants. We gots problems to solve here. On a slightly on topic note, the Commisioner of the Metropolitan police just resigned because she was unable to present a convincing plan to address endemic racism (amongst other such issues) in the Met.
The Mayor had asked her to make a start on this in 2018. Some might say that over 3 years was enough. Even when there's a pandemic, we have email and telephones and whatnot. I feel that she could have rung around a few other forces where racism has been address, or at least the attempt made, and swiped a few ideas, IDK. Perhaps she tried to come up with a scheme, but the fact is that the end result is yet another case of senior officers quitting rather than even attempt to take serious action to challenge a racist police culture.
Kinda feels like there might be a reason for that.
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"When I said take me to the moon, I never meant take me alone
I thought if mankind toured the sky it meant all of us could go
But I don't wanna see the stars if its just one more piece of land
For us to colonize, for us to turn to sand"
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I don't like humanity's odds at being able to defeat capitalism before climate change makes space colonization too important to wait.
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It's kind of weird that so many people have bought into the idea that we can escape and fix a world that is worse off than the earth may ever be when we can't even fix the earth. It's like your house has become unlivable because you don't know how to take care of it and you think the solution is to move to an empty lot and build a house from scratch.
also there's no oxygen or water at the new place
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With a little can-do attitude and some elbow grease, you ain't need those.
You say that like it's going to disincentive corporations.
Because what is their labor force going to do, quit working for them? If they stop working, then how are they going to breathe?
The actual arguemnt is that in learning how to live on another planet, we could apply that to helping fix things here on Earth. Though, I have low expectations that any corporation that does so will have much of an interest in doing such.
Hopefully that's when space Gengis Khan shows up
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I think its also precisely backwards.