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Pathfinder 2E: "The Time of the O.R.C. has come."
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...No Starfinder huh?
Now, the problem: Every time I look at PF2e resources, it's like looking at the collected works of the Library of Congress all at once. My brain sees holy shit there's too much here, and I nope back out. The problem I have coming from 5e is that, unfortunately perhaps, 5e hits just the right sweet spot for me between having enough mechanical crunch and not overdoing it. I'm an old hand to tabletop RPG play, and would boast I can DM any system given enough time; maybe it's my old age starting to set in but right now PF2e feels like it's just soo much to digest.
I've read that the Beginner Box is an actual, honest-to-goodness spot to start out, so I might pick that up at some point. Is there another place, short of just picking a spot and starting to devour the Archives of Nethys, that I can start to wrap my head around this game?
I think it's mechanics, yeah. With 5e I had the luxury of playing, off and on, 3.5e into 4e and then getting into 5e at its very beginning. And then going very hard into 5e since.
With this game, I'm not sure where the best starting point for learning the rules and flow of the game is. It's just familiar enough that my brain is like "oh I can just jump in, it's like D&D", but then I look at the character sheet and my eyes roll into the back of my head. It feels like I need to start with a fresh, from-the-ground-up approach to help digest it all. And in my experience, the rulebooks for games like this are absolutely dogshit at that kind of learning.
IMHO the Beginner Box is probably one of the best designed I've seen. It is made more in mind for people completely new to TTRPGs, but if you are looking for a way to ease in I can whole heartedly recommend it as a start. Plus it is fairly cheap and comes jam packed full of stuff.
It also has a Solo Adventure, so you can familiarize yourself with how things work before you introduce it to your group.
edit- I'd also say that while PF2 is more complex than 5e I don't think it is that much more complex. Character creation may seem daunting because of choices, but I feel the everything else is fairly smooth.
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I'm not familiar with exact systems, but I've listened to the Dead Men Roll No Crits podcast (doing the Skull & Shackles PF1 adventure path using PF2 rules, really interesting stuff), and they use Roll20 for their combat positioning. It's fairly intensive with tactical positioning. Crits happen (on ANY roll) when you beat the target number by 10, or roll a natural 20. So you can crit succeed an attack, saving throw, skill check, etc.
The game is split into combat and exploration mode (I think there's a downtime mode as well). Exploration mode is where you do most of your skill checks and is stuff like scouting, trap disarming, information gathering, diplomacy, tracking, etc. There's a LOT of skill checks; they replaced having skill points with levels of particular skill mastery giving different static bonuses. There are also skill feats that let you diversify what you can do with your skills (like instead of using medicine you can get an herbalism upgrade that lets you use your Nature skill for first aid attempts).
The problems I run into are usually an ammo issue first, and also that said build isn't really actually as useful as I imagine/want in actual tactical play
Paizo also offers their pdfs for around $10-15, they don’t keep the digital versions the same price as the physical books.
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Oh also ... arm mounted ranged weapons?! Do those exist??
I'm not aware of any arm mounted ranged weapons, but there's a new equipment/treasure book due out later this year with 50 new weapons, so there's no telling what the future holds.
Out of the box, no class can do a dual wielding throwing/melee combo like you want. To start with, melee weapons that can be thrown generally only have a range increment of 10ft, so every attack beyond 10ft is gonna have a stacking penalty. Second, and most important, the game is based around distinct 3 Action economy and Drawing A Weapon is an action (an Interact Action to be more precise). Ranger and Rogue specifically have a feat to get around this, Quick Draw, which combines the Draw A Weapon action and a Strike action into one, but that doesn't become an option till level 2. There's also the archetype Dual-Weapon Warrior, that lets you do more of what you're after but you don't get the thrown stuff till level 4. Duel Weapon Warrior is a archetype so you either need to forgo some of your class feats or play with a GM that uses the Free Archetype optional rule.
Outside of those issues and caveats, you can be pretty successful with that style. There are Returning Weapon Runes that you can buy, that return the thrown weapon to your hand after every Strike, and the Dual-Weapon Warrior feats give you most of the combat actions you'll need.
Therefore, with that in mind, I would pitch Drizzt Do'Urden. We all know what his deal is. What does his low-level incarnation look like in PF2?
This might be too easy, but I think it's a good bench to mark against. (That's how benches work, right?)