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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    And based on California I assume not a single person in texas also knows how to drive either. THATS RIGHT YOU SONS OF BITCHES I DON'T FORGET!!!

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Magell wrote: »
    It is funny that California and Texas hate each other as states when both states are so large that they're quite geographically diverse and not really like living in the state is similar to other parts of it.

    Its never been like a bastion of liberalism but its important to remeber that the insane pressure cooker that a bunch of red states have turned into is a distinct choice on the part of the majority party. Theyre burning their own houses down for their ambitions.

    Texas used to have a respectable blue collar leftish streak in its political spectrum.

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
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    Magell wrote: »
    It is funny that California and Texas hate each other as states when both states are so large that they're quite geographically diverse and not really like living in the state is similar to other parts of it.

    California doesn't hate Texas, it is mad that Texas is in charge of all the goddamn text books for some idiotic reason, and it like to make fun of their shit electrical grid (especially considering California's own history here) but otherwise it's a very Bay Area > SoCal beef. It's almost entirely one way.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    God just about every union general post the Civil war went on to commit attrocities against first nations.

    It was the fash...ionable thing at the time. Much like how everyone in Congress (see what I did there) was Tough On Crime in the 90s, or all-in on the War on Terror in the 00s.

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    It is funny that California and Texas hate each other as states when both states are so large that they're quite geographically diverse and not really like living in the state is similar to other parts of it.

    Its never been like a bastion of liberalism but its important to remeber that the insane pressure cooker that a bunch of red states have turned into is a distinct choice on the part of the majority party. Theyre burning their own houses down for their ambitions.

    Texas used to have a respectable blue collar leftish streak in its political spectrum.

    Same with Florida, I always get confused when people write it off as a red state. It's voted blue recently, Obama won it twice.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    God just about every union general post the Civil war went on to commit attrocities against first nations.

    It was the fash...ionable thing at the time. Much like how everyone in Congress (see what I did there) was Tough On Crime in the 90s, or all-in on the War on Terror in the 00s.

    I get it, but it still goes to show that a lot of those generals were just monsters themselves. Like turning to butchery to "pacify" people and force them on to reservations like Sheridan did is fucking monstrous. Sherman did similar shit.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    It is funny that California and Texas hate each other as states when both states are so large that they're quite geographically diverse and not really like living in the state is similar to other parts of it.

    Its never been like a bastion of liberalism but its important to remeber that the insane pressure cooker that a bunch of red states have turned into is a distinct choice on the part of the majority party. Theyre burning their own houses down for their ambitions.

    Texas used to have a respectable blue collar leftish streak in its political spectrum.

    Same with Florida, I always get confused when people write it off as a red state. It's voted blue recently, Obama won it twice.

    Because of shifts there over the last decade. DeSantis won a landslide 60-40. Similar reason why North Carolina and Georgia seem tantalizingly close to being this decade's equivalent to Virginia circa 2000's.

    And then there's Ohio.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Desantis won in 2018 by half a percent. Idk a lot of people were probably primed to write the place off after enough bad Florida Man jokes.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    I mean Florida is pretty much a lost cause at this point, it's as red as Mississippi, and if it isn't, it will be when DeSantis begins the actual purges of dissidents

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Ohio is a myth. No place could have Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland! It's too stupid!

    Ringo on
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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    So is there anything going on right now in congress beyond the senate judiciary committee drama? Any word on that drama?

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    I mean Florida is pretty much a lost cause at this point, it's as red as Mississippi, and if it isn't, it will be when DeSantis begins the actual purges of dissidents

    I mean the Democratic Party essentially already has when the best they had to put up against DeSantis was a former Republican who has failed at so many elections.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Desantis won in 2018 by half a percent. Idk a lot of people were probably primed to write the place off after enough bad Florida Man jokes.

    The beef against Florida goes as far back as 2000 with GWB. Long before Florida Man.

    The reason it gets treated as a red state these days it since Obama took office it's been trending red in a lot of votes and it sure feels like Democrats haven't been winning anything meaningful there for years and it's only getting worse.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    So is there anything going on right now in congress beyond the senate judiciary committee drama? Any word on that drama?

    MTG accused a hearing witness of dating a Chinese spy. The GOP chose to strike it which keeps it in the record.

    Dems called some member a liar for allowing it and that was removed from the record entirely for attacking his character.

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    silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    So is there anything going on right now in congress beyond the senate judiciary committee drama? Any word on that drama?

    Still need to raise the debt ceiling. House won't do so without massive concessions.

    A hostage worth ransoming, but not shooting, is really starting to look like it will get shot.

    Mitch McConnell is back in action in the Senate after recovering from his fall.

    For the most part nothing can get done with split government, and appointments are stalled by a tight Senate (Judiciary doubly so).

    We still don't have a fifth member on the FCC, for example.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    So is there anything going on right now in congress beyond the senate judiciary committee drama? Any word on that drama?

    Still need to raise the debt ceiling. House won't do so without massive concessions.

    A hostage worth ransoming, but not shooting, is really starting to look like it will get shot.

    Mitch McConnell is back in action in the Senate after recovering from his fall.

    For the most part nothing can get done with split government, and appointments are stalled by a tight Senate (Judiciary doubly so).

    We still don't have a fifth member on the FCC, for example.

    Thanks for the info, back to the usual non congressional complaining about other things.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Roaming the streets, waving his mod gun around.Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Doodmann wrote: »
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    Magell wrote: »
    It is funny that California and Texas hate each other as states when both states are so large that they're quite geographically diverse and not really like living in the state is similar to other parts of it.

    California doesn't hate Texas, it is mad that Texas is in charge of all the goddamn text books for some idiotic reason, and it like to make fun of their shit electrical grid (especially considering California's own history here) but otherwise it's a very Bay Area > SoCal beef. It's almost entirely one way.

    FWIW, I don't have any grudge against Texans as a people. But the Republicans there have turned it into a legal hellscape that I would never ever want to live in.

    My disdain is strictly towards the Texas government. California ain't perfect, but at least my wife doesn't have to live in fear that she'll someday have to carry a rape baby to term.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    A lot of republican state governments are very clear examples of "give an inch they'll take a mile"

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    A lot of republican state governments are very clear examples of "give an inch they'll take a mile"

    But the Republicans are the sensible, responsible party of wise government and traditional American values.

    and by that we mean racism and patriarchy

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    A lot of republican state governments are very clear examples of "give an inch they'll take a mile"

    But the Republicans are the sensible, responsible party of wise government and traditional American values.

    and by that we mean racism and patriarchy

    You forgot trying to have sex with children. Tennessee rep resigned today after a newspaper uncovered the secret reprimand he got for being really, really gross towards interns.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
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    Magell wrote: »
    It is funny that California and Texas hate each other as states when both states are so large that they're quite geographically diverse and not really like living in the state is similar to other parts of it.

    California doesn't hate Texas, it is mad that Texas is in charge of all the goddamn text books for some idiotic reason, and it like to make fun of their shit electrical grid (especially considering California's own history here) but otherwise it's a very Bay Area > SoCal beef. It's almost entirely one way.

    FWIW, I don't have any grudge against Texans as a people. But the Republicans there have turned it into a legal hellscape that I would never ever want to live in.

    My disdain is strictly towards the Texas government. California ain't perfect, but at least my wife doesn't have to live in fear that she'll someday have to carry a rape baby to term.

    Indeed, I have met many very nice Texans. I will just meet them outside of Texas, because Texas is an actively dangerous place to be a woman, or non-white. By which I mean the government of Texas is actively hostile to both groups.

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Desantis won in 2018 by half a percent. Idk a lot of people were probably primed to write the place off after enough bad Florida Man jokes.

    The beef against Florida goes as far back as 2000 with GWB. Long before Florida Man.

    The reason it gets treated as a red state these days it since Obama took office it's been trending red in a lot of votes and it sure feels like Democrats haven't been winning anything meaningful there for years and it's only getting worse.

    Also, IIRC, since 2000 or so, Republicans have held the Governorship, both fed Senators, majorities in the fed House delegates, and both chambers of the state legislature for most if not the entire time.

    I mean if that doesn't qualify it for red state status, what does? Kansas has had three terms of Democratic Governor in that same timeframe. Missouri had a two term Senator. Even Alabama had Doug Jones. I doubt anyone would argue they're not red states.

    Doesn't mean it shouldn't be contested. But there's no arguing that while the people might not be as hard right on policy (see Kansas abortion referendum, and Florida felon voting rights, both of which are being undermined by the legislatures) as their elected officials, when it comes to electoral outcomes, Florida appears to very much be a "red state" by any definition of the term.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited April 2023
    I mean, the thing about Florida is it should be more purple.

    But if you name an organization more incompetent and corrupt than Florida Dems, you start talking sports

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    schussschuss Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    And based on California I assume not a single person in texas also knows how to drive either. THATS RIGHT YOU SONS OF BITCHES I DON'T FORGET!!!

    As a New Englander - 90% of the country are shamefully bad drivers. As bad a rap as Massholes get, at least they try to get from place to place with some level of purpose.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    schuss wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    And based on California I assume not a single person in texas also knows how to drive either. THATS RIGHT YOU SONS OF BITCHES I DON'T FORGET!!!

    As a New Englander - 90% of the country are shamefully bad drivers. As bad a rap as Massholes get, at least they try to get from place to place with some level of purpose.

    As a Midwest transplant to New England, I'm gonna blame the roads. Those meandering, frost heave-striken, two-lane interstates that criss-cross NE aren't conducive to learning proper long-distance driving conduct, which is ironic since it takes so much longer to get anywhere.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    A lot of republican state governments are very clear examples of "give an inch they'll take a mile"

    But the Republicans are the sensible, responsible party of wise government and traditional American values.

    and by that we mean racism and patriarchy

    You forgot trying to have sex with children. Tennessee rep resigned today after a newspaper uncovered the secret reprimand he got for being really, really gross towards interns.

    Not just any rep either, this was the guy who had the idea to expel those three other members.

    Which got people to look in his general direction for once and oh what do you know.

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    chosenofsotekchosenofsotek Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    A lot of republican state governments are very clear examples of "give an inch they'll take a mile"

    But the Republicans are the sensible, responsible party of wise government and traditional American values.

    and by that we mean racism and patriarchy

    You forgot trying to have sex with children. Tennessee rep resigned today after a newspaper uncovered the secret reprimand he got for being really, really gross towards interns.

    Not just any rep either, this was the guy who had the idea to expel those three other members.

    Which got people to look in his general direction for once and oh what do you know.

    And harassed one of the interns to the point that the state government footed the bill to move her out of her apartment complex, which the rep also lived in, and put her in a hotel so he couldn't find her.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Desantis won in 2018 by half a percent. Idk a lot of people were probably primed to write the place off after enough bad Florida Man jokes.

    The beef against Florida goes as far back as 2000 with GWB. Long before Florida Man.

    The reason it gets treated as a red state these days it since Obama took office it's been trending red in a lot of votes and it sure feels like Democrats haven't been winning anything meaningful there for years and it's only getting worse.

    Also, IIRC, since 2000 or so, Republicans have held the Governorship, both fed Senators, majorities in the fed House delegates, and both chambers of the state legislature for most if not the entire time.

    I mean if that doesn't qualify it for red state status, what does? Kansas has had three terms of Democratic Governor in that same timeframe. Missouri had a two term Senator. Even Alabama had Doug Jones. I doubt anyone would argue they're not red states.

    Doesn't mean it shouldn't be contested. But there's no arguing that while the people might not be as hard right on policy (see Kansas abortion referendum, and Florida felon voting rights, both of which are being undermined by the legislatures) as their elected officials, when it comes to electoral outcomes, Florida appears to very much be a "red state" by any definition of the term.

    I feel like Gen X coming to retirement age is playing a big factor in this. I recently visited a mildly affluent aunt and uncle from Indiana that bought a place in Key Largo, and that whole region looks like a giant "Boaters for Trump" rally.

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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Desantis won in 2018 by half a percent. Idk a lot of people were probably primed to write the place off after enough bad Florida Man jokes.

    The beef against Florida goes as far back as 2000 with GWB. Long before Florida Man.

    The reason it gets treated as a red state these days it since Obama took office it's been trending red in a lot of votes and it sure feels like Democrats haven't been winning anything meaningful there for years and it's only getting worse.

    Also, IIRC, since 2000 or so, Republicans have held the Governorship, both fed Senators, majorities in the fed House delegates, and both chambers of the state legislature for most if not the entire time.

    I mean if that doesn't qualify it for red state status, what does? Kansas has had three terms of Democratic Governor in that same timeframe. Missouri had a two term Senator. Even Alabama had Doug Jones. I doubt anyone would argue they're not red states.

    Doesn't mean it shouldn't be contested. But there's no arguing that while the people might not be as hard right on policy (see Kansas abortion referendum, and Florida felon voting rights, both of which are being undermined by the legislatures) as their elected officials, when it comes to electoral outcomes, Florida appears to very much be a "red state" by any definition of the term.

    I feel like Gen X coming to retirement age is playing a big factor in this. I recently visited a mildly affluent aunt and uncle from Indiana that bought a place in Key Largo, and that whole region looks like a giant "Boaters for Trump" rally.

    Generational birth years are fuzzy and dubious, but any Gen Xer retiring now is retiring real early unless they're armed forces or something else with a fat pension.

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    HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    It is funny that California and Texas hate each other as states when both states are so large that they're quite geographically diverse and not really like living in the state is similar to other parts of it.

    Its never been like a bastion of liberalism but its important to remeber that the insane pressure cooker that a bunch of red states have turned into is a distinct choice on the part of the majority party. Theyre burning their own houses down for their ambitions.

    Texas used to have a respectable blue collar leftish streak in its political spectrum.

    It's not even a majority party, they just disenfranchised a lot of non-Republican voters.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Desantis won in 2018 by half a percent. Idk a lot of people were probably primed to write the place off after enough bad Florida Man jokes.

    The beef against Florida goes as far back as 2000 with GWB. Long before Florida Man.

    The reason it gets treated as a red state these days it since Obama took office it's been trending red in a lot of votes and it sure feels like Democrats haven't been winning anything meaningful there for years and it's only getting worse.

    Also, IIRC, since 2000 or so, Republicans have held the Governorship, both fed Senators, majorities in the fed House delegates, and both chambers of the state legislature for most if not the entire time.

    I mean if that doesn't qualify it for red state status, what does? Kansas has had three terms of Democratic Governor in that same timeframe. Missouri had a two term Senator. Even Alabama had Doug Jones. I doubt anyone would argue they're not red states.

    Doesn't mean it shouldn't be contested. But there's no arguing that while the people might not be as hard right on policy (see Kansas abortion referendum, and Florida felon voting rights, both of which are being undermined by the legislatures) as their elected officials, when it comes to electoral outcomes, Florida appears to very much be a "red state" by any definition of the term.

    I feel like Gen X coming to retirement age is playing a big factor in this. I recently visited a mildly affluent aunt and uncle from Indiana that bought a place in Key Largo, and that whole region looks like a giant "Boaters for Trump" rally.

    Generational birth years are fuzzy and dubious, but any Gen Xer retiring now is retiring real early unless they're armed forces or something else with a fat pension.

    A lot of Florida’s growth is coming from people retiring at 55 and moving to the 55+ metros springing up down there

    People who retire at 55 = a lot of cops and business owners, btw

    But also people that have been fortunate to accumulate wealth and property vs their age cohorts, which correlates with conservative-to-reactionary politics as well

    So yeah this is a big part of Florida’s trajectory- a shit-ass dem party that’s happy getting rich being the subservient minority and a deliberate population growth strategy targeting the worst of our nation to bring in

    Edit: this is so funny, I’m trying to give away an extension ladder I received 9 years ago from my then-55-year old neighbor who retired from his job as a firefighter to move to The Villages

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Also, though few Gen X may be truly retiring, a lot are empty nesters now and are restructuring their lifestyles.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    I would love it if Florida’s growth is being fueled by reactionary shitheads moving there while retaining remote working jobs and polluting the discourse about lazy young people who they can’t get to go to work in person

    That would be hilariously on-brand

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    Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Desantis won in 2018 by half a percent. Idk a lot of people were probably primed to write the place off after enough bad Florida Man jokes.

    The beef against Florida goes as far back as 2000 with GWB. Long before Florida Man.

    The reason it gets treated as a red state these days it since Obama took office it's been trending red in a lot of votes and it sure feels like Democrats haven't been winning anything meaningful there for years and it's only getting worse.

    Also, IIRC, since 2000 or so, Republicans have held the Governorship, both fed Senators, majorities in the fed House delegates, and both chambers of the state legislature for most if not the entire time.

    I mean if that doesn't qualify it for red state status, what does? Kansas has had three terms of Democratic Governor in that same timeframe. Missouri had a two term Senator. Even Alabama had Doug Jones. I doubt anyone would argue they're not red states.

    Doesn't mean it shouldn't be contested. But there's no arguing that while the people might not be as hard right on policy (see Kansas abortion referendum, and Florida felon voting rights, both of which are being undermined by the legislatures) as their elected officials, when it comes to electoral outcomes, Florida appears to very much be a "red state" by any definition of the term.

    I feel like Gen X coming to retirement age is playing a big factor in this. I recently visited a mildly affluent aunt and uncle from Indiana that bought a place in Key Largo, and that whole region looks like a giant "Boaters for Trump" rally.

    Generational birth years are fuzzy and dubious, but any Gen Xer retiring now is retiring real early unless they're armed forces or something else with a fat pension.

    As an older Gen Xer who is nowhere near able to retire, I completely agree.

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    schussschuss Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    schuss wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    And based on California I assume not a single person in texas also knows how to drive either. THATS RIGHT YOU SONS OF BITCHES I DON'T FORGET!!!

    As a New Englander - 90% of the country are shamefully bad drivers. As bad a rap as Massholes get, at least they try to get from place to place with some level of purpose.

    As a Midwest transplant to New England, I'm gonna blame the roads. Those meandering, frost heave-striken, two-lane interstates that criss-cross NE aren't conducive to learning proper long-distance driving conduct, which is ironic since it takes so much longer to get anywhere.

    Nah, they toughen the drivers up and given you a sense of urgency since it takes forever.
    In my experience:
    1. Midwest drivers are terrible because they do not experience curves. Most things are grids with stoplights/stopsigns, so a 45 degree curve is something they have never prepared for. My sister went to college in Cedar Rapids - there's a set of random S turns that you can sit and watch people slow down to 20 mph and creep through.
    2. California drivers are terrible because they have no urgency or often sense they are even in a motor vehicle. That, coupled with a lack of alternative routes, means you get random traffic for no reason.
    3. Maryland/DC area drivers are terrible because they're as aggressive as new england drivers but they never bothered to develop any level of skill.
    4. NYC drivers CAN be bad as they're often city kids with no sense of what speed/roads actually are as they're bound by traffic 99% of the time, so any moment they can they slam that accelerator.
    5. New York state drivers are bad because they're constantly afraid of the state police ticketing them (100% legit).
    6. Mid-Atlantic drivers nail the rage of Maryland/Massachusetts with the skills of midwestern driving.

    As far as New England, I find the general diversity of surfaces, structural types and terrain means you generally have to learn some level of driving. That said, Mass drivers are reliably aggressive, NH and VT are a bit out to lunch but reasonable (though backroads are taken at much higher speeds than others) and Maineiacs are just such a mixed bag I struggle to explain them - they'll often do just the speed limit on a 55 highway only to continue to do 55 through the center of a town.

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    KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    schuss wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    schuss wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    And based on California I assume not a single person in texas also knows how to drive either. THATS RIGHT YOU SONS OF BITCHES I DON'T FORGET!!!

    As a New Englander - 90% of the country are shamefully bad drivers. As bad a rap as Massholes get, at least they try to get from place to place with some level of purpose.

    As a Midwest transplant to New England, I'm gonna blame the roads. Those meandering, frost heave-striken, two-lane interstates that criss-cross NE aren't conducive to learning proper long-distance driving conduct, which is ironic since it takes so much longer to get anywhere.

    Nah, they toughen the drivers up and given you a sense of urgency since it takes forever.
    In my experience:
    1. Midwest drivers are terrible because they do not experience curves. Most things are grids with stoplights/stopsigns, so a 45 degree curve is something they have never prepared for. My sister went to college in Cedar Rapids - there's a set of random S turns that you can sit and watch people slow down to 20 mph and creep through.
    2. California drivers are terrible because they have no urgency or often sense they are even in a motor vehicle. That, coupled with a lack of alternative routes, means you get random traffic for no reason.
    3. Maryland/DC area drivers are terrible because they're as aggressive as new england drivers but they never bothered to develop any level of skill.
    4. NYC drivers CAN be bad as they're often city kids with no sense of what speed/roads actually are as they're bound by traffic 99% of the time, so any moment they can they slam that accelerator.
    5. New York state drivers are bad because they're constantly afraid of the state police ticketing them (100% legit).
    6. Mid-Atlantic drivers nail the rage of Maryland/Massachusetts with the skills of midwestern driving.

    As far as New England, I find the general diversity of surfaces, structural types and terrain means you generally have to learn some level of driving. That said, Mass drivers are reliably aggressive, NH and VT are a bit out to lunch but reasonable (though backroads are taken at much higher speeds than others) and Maineiacs are just such a mixed bag I struggle to explain them - they'll often do just the speed limit on a 55 highway only to continue to do 55 through the center of a town.

    And CT drivers are perfect

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    Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    The Michigan town I grew up in prepared me well for driving since there aren't many straight roads. Lots of lakes, ponds, rivers, etc. There is a notorious S-turn by a church with a massive power pole that people keep crashing into when things get a bit slippery. My brother is also guilty of crashing into said pole.

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    ArdolArdol Registered User regular
    Kruite wrote: »
    schuss wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    schuss wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    And based on California I assume not a single person in texas also knows how to drive either. THATS RIGHT YOU SONS OF BITCHES I DON'T FORGET!!!

    As a New Englander - 90% of the country are shamefully bad drivers. As bad a rap as Massholes get, at least they try to get from place to place with some level of purpose.

    As a Midwest transplant to New England, I'm gonna blame the roads. Those meandering, frost heave-striken, two-lane interstates that criss-cross NE aren't conducive to learning proper long-distance driving conduct, which is ironic since it takes so much longer to get anywhere.

    Nah, they toughen the drivers up and given you a sense of urgency since it takes forever.
    In my experience:
    1. Midwest drivers are terrible because they do not experience curves. Most things are grids with stoplights/stopsigns, so a 45 degree curve is something they have never prepared for. My sister went to college in Cedar Rapids - there's a set of random S turns that you can sit and watch people slow down to 20 mph and creep through.
    2. California drivers are terrible because they have no urgency or often sense they are even in a motor vehicle. That, coupled with a lack of alternative routes, means you get random traffic for no reason.
    3. Maryland/DC area drivers are terrible because they're as aggressive as new england drivers but they never bothered to develop any level of skill.
    4. NYC drivers CAN be bad as they're often city kids with no sense of what speed/roads actually are as they're bound by traffic 99% of the time, so any moment they can they slam that accelerator.
    5. New York state drivers are bad because they're constantly afraid of the state police ticketing them (100% legit).
    6. Mid-Atlantic drivers nail the rage of Maryland/Massachusetts with the skills of midwestern driving.

    As far as New England, I find the general diversity of surfaces, structural types and terrain means you generally have to learn some level of driving. That said, Mass drivers are reliably aggressive, NH and VT are a bit out to lunch but reasonable (though backroads are taken at much higher speeds than others) and Maineiacs are just such a mixed bag I struggle to explain them - they'll often do just the speed limit on a 55 highway only to continue to do 55 through the center of a town.

    And CT drivers are perfect

    CT drivers don't see yellow and I'm not even sure they see red. A whole lot of colorblindness I suppose.

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    schussschuss Registered User regular
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    And based on California I assume not a single person in texas also knows how to drive either. THATS RIGHT YOU SONS OF BITCHES I DON'T FORGET!!!

    As a New Englander - 90% of the country are shamefully bad drivers. As bad a rap as Massholes get, at least they try to get from place to place with some level of purpose.

    As a Midwest transplant to New England, I'm gonna blame the roads. Those meandering, frost heave-striken, two-lane interstates that criss-cross NE aren't conducive to learning proper long-distance driving conduct, which is ironic since it takes so much longer to get anywhere.

    Nah, they toughen the drivers up and given you a sense of urgency since it takes forever.
    In my experience:
    1. Midwest drivers are terrible because they do not experience curves. Most things are grids with stoplights/stopsigns, so a 45 degree curve is something they have never prepared for. My sister went to college in Cedar Rapids - there's a set of random S turns that you can sit and watch people slow down to 20 mph and creep through.
    2. California drivers are terrible because they have no urgency or often sense they are even in a motor vehicle. That, coupled with a lack of alternative routes, means you get random traffic for no reason.
    3. Maryland/DC area drivers are terrible because they're as aggressive as new england drivers but they never bothered to develop any level of skill.
    4. NYC drivers CAN be bad as they're often city kids with no sense of what speed/roads actually are as they're bound by traffic 99% of the time, so any moment they can they slam that accelerator.
    5. New York state drivers are bad because they're constantly afraid of the state police ticketing them (100% legit).
    6. Mid-Atlantic drivers nail the rage of Maryland/Massachusetts with the skills of midwestern driving.

    As far as New England, I find the general diversity of surfaces, structural types and terrain means you generally have to learn some level of driving. That said, Mass drivers are reliably aggressive, NH and VT are a bit out to lunch but reasonable (though backroads are taken at much higher speeds than others) and Maineiacs are just such a mixed bag I struggle to explain them - they'll often do just the speed limit on a 55 highway only to continue to do 55 through the center of a town.

    And CT drivers are perfect

    CT drivers take all the worst parts of Mass and NYC drivers, generally. That said, we all feel bad for them as the CT interstates are designed to keep you in the state, as otherwise it would be empty, as most CT residents primarily have ire for other CT residents.

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
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    Desantis won in 2018 by half a percent. Idk a lot of people were probably primed to write the place off after enough bad Florida Man jokes.

    The beef against Florida goes as far back as 2000 with GWB. Long before Florida Man.

    The reason it gets treated as a red state these days it since Obama took office it's been trending red in a lot of votes and it sure feels like Democrats haven't been winning anything meaningful there for years and it's only getting worse.

    Also, IIRC, since 2000 or so, Republicans have held the Governorship, both fed Senators, majorities in the fed House delegates, and both chambers of the state legislature for most if not the entire time.

    I mean if that doesn't qualify it for red state status, what does? Kansas has had three terms of Democratic Governor in that same timeframe. Missouri had a two term Senator. Even Alabama had Doug Jones. I doubt anyone would argue they're not red states.

    Doesn't mean it shouldn't be contested. But there's no arguing that while the people might not be as hard right on policy (see Kansas abortion referendum, and Florida felon voting rights, both of which are being undermined by the legislatures) as their elected officials, when it comes to electoral outcomes, Florida appears to very much be a "red state" by any definition of the term.

    I feel like Gen X coming to retirement age is playing a big factor in this. I recently visited a mildly affluent aunt and uncle from Indiana that bought a place in Key Largo, and that whole region looks like a giant "Boaters for Trump" rally.

    Generational birth years are fuzzy and dubious, but any Gen Xer retiring now is retiring real early unless they're armed forces or something else with a fat pension.

    A lot of Florida’s growth is coming from people retiring at 55 and moving to the 55+ metros springing up down there

    People who retire at 55 = a lot of cops and business owners, btw

    But also people that have been fortunate to accumulate wealth and property vs their age cohorts, which correlates with conservative-to-reactionary politics as well

    So yeah this is a big part of Florida’s trajectory- a shit-ass dem party that’s happy getting rich being the subservient minority and a deliberate population growth strategy targeting the worst of our nation to bring in

    Edit: this is so funny, I’m trying to give away an extension ladder I received 9 years ago from my then-55-year old neighbor who retired from his job as a firefighter to move to The Villages

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    https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/florida

    Florida is headed for a huge population crisis very soon. The vast majority of people moving to Florida are old right-wingers, which is why the sudden large rightward shift. However, those people ain't gonna be around for much longer.

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