UtsanomikoBros before DoesRollin' in the thlayRegistered Userregular
edited June 2008
Mostly likely it doesn't mention Terminatiors because it's firstly a Guardsmen/Stormtrooper transport. Recent Codexes have been a lot better about giving proper consistency and adjustments for units in a given army.
But the bottom line is that only the Land Raider specifically states it will carry Terminators; largemodels which take up the space two normal models. Neither Rhinos nor Chimeras say anything about the ability to carry large models.
Though if you ask me it's kind of silly a normal-sized Rhino can carry any Marines in the first place. I mean how do they fit though the side hatches (don't get started on the top ones)? :P
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edited June 2008
Chimeras can only be taken as a dedicated transport, so in 4th edition, there was never a need to specifically state that terminators couldn't ride in one.
A Chimera can transport Ogryns, each one taking up two spaces. That suggests that Terminators would fit. Of course, putting Grey Knights in a Chimera seems highly inappropriate. After all, its only suitable for lesser persons such as guardsmen.
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edited June 2008
I forgot about Ogryns. Those are some pretty big guys.
So who knows then. The Inquisition Chimera ultimately is a different unit entry and thus uses the rules listed in its own book, but there's so many omissions and errors in the written rules I could imagine a casual game declaring it intended for all large Imperial models.
But I wouldn't count on everyone agreeing to that, nor buy models based on such an assumption.
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Yeah, I can't afford more models, but I could give that a try. The other part was now that it's not really worth summoning daemons, is the daemon army worth expanding? Every single khorne daemon unit is close combat, and if I went up against say an IG army, I have a feeling that the few models which can't be insta-killed, won't be much help after the rest of the army is picked apart.
Plus blood crushers are murder on the wallet.
Are you talking about the Demons in the Chaos Marine army?
If so:
Seriously though, there's nothing wrong with them at all. They can assault when they come in and will routinely win combat against anything that isn't a CC specialist (especially on the charge), and if they do lose, they're fearless, so although some might die to losing combat, they aren't running away. Also, they can be excellent for sitting on objectives, considering there's no limit to how many units you can have...
In regards to a regular demon army, if you go all khorne you can do well, as long as you're smart about your list. If you need some ranged power your only real option as all-Khorne is Soul Grinders (which are awesome). 'Thirsters and Princes can have a little 12" shooting attack, but it's nothing special unless you're hitting terminators or something with it.
Daemons can assault the term they arrived? I thought they had a turn of sitting duckness like all things that deep strike...
I forgot about Ogryns. Those are some pretty big guys.
So who knows then. The Inquisition Chimera ultimately is a different unit entry and thus uses the rules listed in its own book, but there's so many omissions and errors in the written rules I could imagine a casual game declaring it intended for all large Imperial models.
But I wouldn't count on everyone agreeing to that, nor buy models based on such an assumption.
Inquisitors in terminator armor take two spots in a chimera.
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edited June 2008
Johnny: Evidently 5th changes how deep-strikers can move, in a nutshell.
It's a really spiffy part of a great force, that's for sure. And the Codex sure looks great.
But as-written and laid out it's pretty junky. It deserved a lot of streamlining and some broader background text than a handful of quotes.
I can only imagine how much streamlining is going to go into an inevitable 5th Edition Inquisition Codex. Even if they leave in a version of the ally rules rather than strip it out and just include Troop selections for a Guardsmen Platoon and Marine Squad right in the book, we'd be talking about four Troop units, 3-4 HQs, and probably half a dozen Elite, Fast Attack and Heavy Support units each. Hefty book.
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rucdocCrazy guy in the cornerClassifiedRegistered Userregular
edited June 2008
demon hunters is a great codex, when facing an army of nothing but demons, againstany other army it has to fight an uphill battle against the points disparity
I don't know about that, I've never lost a game. I've beat Necrons twice, Eldar once, Chaos demons 3 times, and I had a draw against Chaos Space marines.
I know the demonhunters are supposed to be pretty challenging to play, but what's the take on that?
demon hunters is a great codex, when facing an army of nothing but demons, againstany other army it has to fight an uphill battle against the points disparity
It's an easy army to go overboard with but you don't HAVE to have that points disparity. A battalion of regular guard or some storm troopers can really fix that up.
I don't know about that, I've never lost a game. I've beat Necrons twice, Eldar once, Chaos demons 3 times, and I had a draw against Chaos Space marines.
I know the demonhunters are supposed to be pretty challenging to play, but what's the take on that?
In an even semi-competitive environment (even amongst friends), the demon hunters will get thrashed pretty routinely. It's not as bad versus some armies, but in general, the book is very weak. Your regular Power Armor Grey Knights are a little too overcosted, it seems, and a lot of the wargear/psychic powers are either a) not that useful b) very circumstantial or c) deal with chaos-related rules that don't exist anymore (like instability).
What kinds of opponents are you facing? Not to say the people you play aren't any good at the game, but the kinds of lists you and your opponent run and how much experience you have can make a big difference as to how the battles play out.
Reading around the Wiki and a couple of other places suggests that 6 terminators could be transported in a Chimera, but I don't have any canon reference for that as yet.
Does anyone know if necrons are going to get a revamp any time soon? They're not my army, and I don't know much about them, but I do like their infantry theme, although I find their vehicles to be pretty lame (the skimmer dudes). I do want to pick them up as a second army, but I understand they're pretty useless as they are.
As most of you know, my primary army is Chaos Space Marines (devoted to grandfather Nurgle of course), what should I pick up as a second army? I want to avoid space marines and orks. I do like Orks a lot, but I've already got one of the more popular armies in the CSM, so I'd like something a bit different. I'm leaning towards necrons or tyranids. Suggestions?
UtsanomikoBros before DoesRollin' in the thlayRegistered Userregular
edited June 2008
Probably within the next year to year and a half, roughly. There's the Imperial Guard and Dark Eldar on the agenda first, following Space Marines' revamp for 5th Edition in late summer.
EDIT: Oh and some army that dresses like wolves or something might get a new list in the meantime too.
Third, though the first major one. I've got a lord, and a box of warriors. I've mostly been putting in small orders with my friend's larger ones up until now. This time, it's the other way around.
Third, though the first major one. I've got a lord, and a box of warriors. I've mostly been putting in small orders with my friend's larger ones up until now. This time, it's the other way around.
Awesome. I would definitely suggest investing in both types of destroyers; they're invaluable.
Third, though the first major one. I've got a lord, and a box of warriors. I've mostly been putting in small orders with my friend's larger ones up until now. This time, it's the other way around.
Awesome. I would definitely suggest investing in both types of destroyers; they're invaluable.
Yeah. To me, the best thing about the Warrior Phalanx box is that it means I don't have to buy any more warriors for a long time. I can focus on acquiring the tasty goodies like Heavy Destroyers, Immortals, and Wraiths (I know they're not that great, but I like them).
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edited June 2008
Necrons are a fun army, and if I remember correctly, Immortals (and Pariahs, but Pariahs are still pretty lame on the table top) just got bumped to 2 models for $10 instead of 1. One squad of Immortals in your army is a good point investment. Scarabs have two primary purposes: give them disruption fields, and have them go zipping around chewing up vehicles, or tarpitting units (I send my scarabs after Devastator squads - they almost always loose the assault, eventually, but they keep the devastators from firing for multiple turns, and take at least a couple of marines with them). Having a strong core of warriors behind them all is generally a good idea, especially going into 5th edition when you'll be reliant on them for objective capturing.
Destroyers are a strong unit, and carry the strongest gun your regular units can carry (at S6:P) save for the Heavy Destroyer's cannon - you'll want a few of these guys eventually, as they have the only AP 2 weapon in the army aside from the Nightbringer's shooting attack. This is why terminators and other 2+ units are such a pain in the ass.
The things you find when emptying cupboards. Sumbled across a Steel Legion platoon (3 squads, command squad, 2 sentinels) which I'm going to strip and repaint, a complete and unassembled Epic Space Marine battleforce and a bunch of the old (old) single pose plastics and the 2nd Ed. Rule Book/Wargear Book/etc. Yet another victory for the 'throw shit in a cupboard and never look at it again' method of house cleaning.
A guy who worked at a local game store back in Norway had been playing/selling GW games for close to 15 years. I remember finding a boxed, shrink wrapped 2nd ED Space Marine army box hidden in a closet in his basement and unopened blisters all over the fucking place. When he moved out of his place, he ended up with boxed models worth in excess of 4000$. This in addition to his 23 painted armies, all of them above 1500(40k)/2000(WH). The sheer amount of stuff he had to lug around when moving made me decide to never reach that point. Heck, I've only got 3 armies and I remember finding a battleforce on top of my closet that I had no recollection of ever buying. Impulse shopping ++
So today I found a Warboss in my mailbox, the model (the one with the attack squig) is pretty cool looking, but I wanted to give him a power klaw but I'd have to make one from scratch because those I have are too small to look good and I don't know where to start as my converting experience is minimal and the model is metal.
Can some of the ork players around help me out with some tips on how to get a power klaw on my boss?
How on earth do you "misplace" close to a grand worth of models?
I mean I can see losing some bits, but come on.
When you've been collecting for nearly 15 years its surprisingly easy to accumulate this stuff without realising. Also when I bought them they were a hell of a lot cheaper than they would be now. For the price I paid for all the Epic stuff then I could maybe get the landraiders, whirlwinds and vindicators now, if that.
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The things you find when emptying cupboards. Sumbled across a Steel Legion platoon (3 squads, command squad, 2 sentinels) which I'm going to strip and repaint, a complete and unassembled Epic Space Marine battleforce and a bunch of the old (old) single pose plastics and the 2nd Ed. Rule Book/Wargear Book/etc. Yet another victory for the 'throw shit in a cupboard and never look at it again' method of house cleaning.
If you don't want those Steel Legion guys I could sure take them off your hands. :winky:
rucdocCrazy guy in the cornerClassifiedRegistered Userregular
edited June 2008
I know it's the 5th ed release, but I heard that a bunch of GW stores and some LGS's are running over night tournies. just looking to see if anyone else had heard anything about this
So today I found a Warboss in my mailbox, the model (the one with the attack squig) is pretty cool looking, but I wanted to give him a power klaw but I'd have to make one from scratch because those I have are too small to look good and I don't know where to start as my converting experience is minimal and the model is metal.
Can some of the ork players around help me out with some tips on how to get a power klaw on my boss?
I built this one out of a Tau Gun, Dreadnought Flamer, and a few extras.
So today I found a Warboss in my mailbox, the model (the one with the attack squig) is pretty cool looking, but I wanted to give him a power klaw but I'd have to make one from scratch because those I have are too small to look good and I don't know where to start as my converting experience is minimal and the model is metal.
Can some of the ork players around help me out with some tips on how to get a power klaw on my boss?
You'll have to sign up to see the pictures, but this Powerklaw 101 is excellent. You can probably bodge out bits of sprue in place of the plasticard rod, if you have none of that.
How on earth do you "misplace" close to a grand worth of models?
I mean I can see losing some bits, but come on.
When you've been collecting for nearly 15 years its surprisingly easy to accumulate this stuff without realising. Also when I bought them they were a hell of a lot cheaper than they would be now. For the price I paid for all the Epic stuff then I could maybe get the landraiders, whirlwinds and vindicators now, if that.
I seriously found a leman russ, a box of grey hunters and a three pack of the NEW eldar war-walkers that I'd essentially forgotten I'd bought. They were in a box I'd primed some miniatures on, apparently turning it into my mind into a "black box of nothing."
The shameful thing is the new WW means the purchase can't have been too long ago.
How on earth do you "misplace" close to a grand worth of models?
I mean I can see losing some bits, but come on.
When you've been collecting for nearly 15 years its surprisingly easy to accumulate this stuff without realising. Also when I bought them they were a hell of a lot cheaper than they would be now. For the price I paid for all the Epic stuff then I could maybe get the landraiders, whirlwinds and vindicators now, if that.
I seriously found a leman russ, a box of grey hunters and a three pack of the NEW eldar war-walkers that I'd essentially forgotten I'd bought. They were in a box I'd primed some miniatures on, apparently turning it into my mind into a "black box of nothing."
The shameful thing is the new WW means the purchase can't have been too long ago.
I keep finding assassins.
I've told the story about the Callidus that I found hiding amongst some other models before, and the other day, while sorting through some badly painted Tau, I found a badly painted Eversor. While in Osaka a couple weekends back, I found some Necromunda blisters I could convert into death cult assassins, and I thought about picking up a Vindicaire, just to round things out. I decided to pass, because GW princes in Japan are retardedly high beyond belief, and a couple days later, when I was sorting through a bag within which I lumped all my assorted SM metals, I found a Vindicaire.
I know I have all sorts of surprises waiting for me back in the states, because every now and then I'll come across a deal I just can't pass up, but I don't want to add it to the collection already taking up way too much space in my tiny Japanese apartment, so I have it sent to my parent's to toss in the basement to await my eventual return. I don't think I've really forgotten anything, but last time I went home I had a chance to go, 'ho shit, that's right, I did get a LR Crusader, didn't I?"
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But the bottom line is that only the Land Raider specifically states it will carry Terminators; largemodels which take up the space two normal models. Neither Rhinos nor Chimeras say anything about the ability to carry large models.
Though if you ask me it's kind of silly a normal-sized Rhino can carry any Marines in the first place. I mean how do they fit though the side hatches (don't get started on the top ones)? :P
So who knows then. The Inquisition Chimera ultimately is a different unit entry and thus uses the rules listed in its own book, but there's so many omissions and errors in the written rules I could imagine a casual game declaring it intended for all large Imperial models.
But I wouldn't count on everyone agreeing to that, nor buy models based on such an assumption.
You take that back!
*cries*
Daemons can assault the term they arrived? I thought they had a turn of sitting duckness like all things that deep strike...
Inquisitors in terminator armor take two spots in a chimera.
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It's a really spiffy part of a great force, that's for sure. And the Codex sure looks great.
But as-written and laid out it's pretty junky. It deserved a lot of streamlining and some broader background text than a handful of quotes.
I can only imagine how much streamlining is going to go into an inevitable 5th Edition Inquisition Codex. Even if they leave in a version of the ally rules rather than strip it out and just include Troop selections for a Guardsmen Platoon and Marine Squad right in the book, we'd be talking about four Troop units, 3-4 HQs, and probably half a dozen Elite, Fast Attack and Heavy Support units each. Hefty book.
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I know the demonhunters are supposed to be pretty challenging to play, but what's the take on that?
Which codex? In the Chaos Marine codex they can assault the turn they arrive. In the Demon Codex they can't assault the turn they arrive.
It's an easy army to go overboard with but you don't HAVE to have that points disparity. A battalion of regular guard or some storm troopers can really fix that up.
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In an even semi-competitive environment (even amongst friends), the demon hunters will get thrashed pretty routinely. It's not as bad versus some armies, but in general, the book is very weak. Your regular Power Armor Grey Knights are a little too overcosted, it seems, and a lot of the wargear/psychic powers are either a) not that useful b) very circumstantial or c) deal with chaos-related rules that don't exist anymore (like instability).
What kinds of opponents are you facing? Not to say the people you play aren't any good at the game, but the kinds of lists you and your opponent run and how much experience you have can make a big difference as to how the battles play out.
As most of you know, my primary army is Chaos Space Marines (devoted to grandfather Nurgle of course), what should I pick up as a second army? I want to avoid space marines and orks. I do like Orks a lot, but I've already got one of the more popular armies in the CSM, so I'd like something a bit different. I'm leaning towards necrons or tyranids. Suggestions?
EDIT: Oh and some army that dresses like wolves or something might get a new list in the meantime too.
It can not get here soon enough.
Rock on, dude. Is this your first necron purchase, or...?
Awesome. I would definitely suggest investing in both types of destroyers; they're invaluable.
Yeah. To me, the best thing about the Warrior Phalanx box is that it means I don't have to buy any more warriors for a long time. I can focus on acquiring the tasty goodies like Heavy Destroyers, Immortals, and Wraiths (I know they're not that great, but I like them).
Destroyers are a strong unit, and carry the strongest gun your regular units can carry (at S6:P) save for the Heavy Destroyer's cannon - you'll want a few of these guys eventually, as they have the only AP 2 weapon in the army aside from the Nightbringer's shooting attack. This is why terminators and other 2+ units are such a pain in the ass.
I mean I can see losing some bits, but come on.
http://www.dust514stats.com
Can some of the ork players around help me out with some tips on how to get a power klaw on my boss?
When you've been collecting for nearly 15 years its surprisingly easy to accumulate this stuff without realising. Also when I bought them they were a hell of a lot cheaper than they would be now. For the price I paid for all the Epic stuff then I could maybe get the landraiders, whirlwinds and vindicators now, if that.
If you don't want those Steel Legion guys I could sure take them off your hands. :winky:
http://www.dust514stats.com
I built this one out of a Tau Gun, Dreadnought Flamer, and a few extras.
I seriously found a leman russ, a box of grey hunters and a three pack of the NEW eldar war-walkers that I'd essentially forgotten I'd bought. They were in a box I'd primed some miniatures on, apparently turning it into my mind into a "black box of nothing."
The shameful thing is the new WW means the purchase can't have been too long ago.
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I will as soon as I can. I have no digital camera. I'll try to get my boss to take some pics tomorrow (and actually send them to me).
I've told the story about the Callidus that I found hiding amongst some other models before, and the other day, while sorting through some badly painted Tau, I found a badly painted Eversor. While in Osaka a couple weekends back, I found some Necromunda blisters I could convert into death cult assassins, and I thought about picking up a Vindicaire, just to round things out. I decided to pass, because GW princes in Japan are retardedly high beyond belief, and a couple days later, when I was sorting through a bag within which I lumped all my assorted SM metals, I found a Vindicaire.
I know I have all sorts of surprises waiting for me back in the states, because every now and then I'll come across a deal I just can't pass up, but I don't want to add it to the collection already taking up way too much space in my tiny Japanese apartment, so I have it sent to my parent's to toss in the basement to await my eventual return. I don't think I've really forgotten anything, but last time I went home I had a chance to go, 'ho shit, that's right, I did get a LR Crusader, didn't I?"