man humanity has what, 20,000 years of evolution under its belt? aint nothing in the last 4000 thats gonna be right about the great beyond. these silly people in their robes and pajamas thinking they have it all figured out. just wait till they die and find out they should've been practicing druidism or learned how to speak chinese.
I learned to speak Chinese.
Does that qualify me for making shit up about the afterlife?
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man humanity has what, 20,000 years of evolution under its belt? aint nothing in the last 4000 thats gonna be right about the great beyond. these silly people in their robes and pajamas thinking they have it all figured out. just wait till they die and find out they should've been practicing druidism or learned how to speak chinese.
I learned to speak Chinese.
Does that wualify me for making shit up about the afterlife?
Maybe you should have learned English while you were at it.
Alright, so here it goes. This is all the Judaic interpretation, for the record.
Lets' start with Introductions. When the bible introduces Noah, he is reffered to as "a great man in his time", but when Avram/Avraham is introduced, he is called "A great man."
So, what's up with the qualifier on Noah? Well, the thing is, when god came to Noah, and said "Hey man, I'm gonna flood the entire world" Noah's response was "So, how big of a boat are we talking about?"
On the contrast, when God came to Abraham, and said "I'm going to destroy these two towns which are only full of known sinners anyway" Abraham's response was "What can I do to talk you out of this?"
Abraham was a great man because he was willing to stand up for what he knew was right (in this case, the preservation of Human life) EVEN in the face of God himself.
As long as you know what you are talking about, questioning authority is considered to be proper, and even the appropriate response at times, in Judaic cultures.
As an end note to this, let me briefly discuss the story of the binding of Isaac. You see, this story was the last time that God EVER spoke to Abraham, and that's because he messed up. When God told Abraham to kill his own Son, Abraham went and did it. He failed that test, and as a result his wife died, and God never spoke to him again. Not a pretty picture.
There's more I could get in to in the Talmud, but I figure some common biblical stories are good enough for now.
you know, the isaac story makes a lot more sense from that point of view. the way I was taught, if god tells you to do stupid shit you go do it, and if he was just kidding he'll send someone down to let you know.
Alright, so here it goes. This is all the Judaic interpretation, for the record.
Lets' start with Introductions. When the bible introduces Noah, he is reffered to as "a great man in his time", but when Avram/Avraham is introduced, he is called "A great man."
So, what's up with the qualifier on Noah? Well, the thing is, when god came to Noah, and said "Hey man, I'm gonna flood the entire world" Noah's response was "So, how big of a boat are we talking about?"
On the contrast, when God came to Abraham, and said "I'm going to destroy these two towns which are only full of known sinners anyway" Abraham's response was "What can I do to talk you out of this?"
Abraham was a great man because he was willing to stand up for what he knew was right (in this case, the preservation of Human life) EVEN in the face of God himself.
As long as you know what you are talking about, questioning authority is considered to be proper, and even the appropriate response at times, in Judaic cultures.
As an end note to this, let me briefly discuss the story of the binding of Isaac. You see, this story was the last time that God EVER spoke to Abraham, and that's because he messed up. When God told Abraham to kill his own Son, Abraham went and did it. He failed that test, and as a result his wife died, and God never spoke to him again. Not a pretty picture.
There's more I could get in to in the Talmud, but I figure some common biblical stories are good enough for now.
you know, the isaac story makes a lot more sense from that point of view. the way I was taught, if god tells you to do stupid shit you go do it, and if he was just kidding he'll send someone down to let you know.
Exactly.
At the end, God gives him a consolation prize for his devotion, but it's pretty clear that he didn't do what he really should have done.
"Of course, abortion, from a Buddhist viewpoint, is an act of killing and is negative, generally speaking. But it depends on the circumstances. If the birth will create serious problems for the parent, these are cases where there can be an exception. I think abortion should be approved or disapproved according to each circumstance"
"If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say 'if two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay'"
he stated that his previous viewpoints on homosexuality and other non-reproductive sexual acts are potentially incorrect and he has "a willingness to consider the possibility that some of the teachings may be specific to a particular cultural and historic context"
but i mean far be it of a man to admit he's wrong or that opinions and viewpoints should change over time
in my opinion it makes the dalai lama even a bigger man to admit that he is wrong about something or that some of the more dogmatic teachings should be subject to individual analysis and context.
The problem isn't religion. The problem is that certain religions villify the act of questioning authority.
Or the wrong authority!
Like that in bit in Jesus Camp where the kids pray for cardboard cut out George Bush.
But that's exactly it.
Christianity stresses that authority knows what is best for you, and you should follow unquestioningly.
I could give you differences in biblical interpretations between Jews and Christians which would make this all clear, but I don't want to bore anyone.
The point is, a bunch of good Christian kids are told to worship a cardboard cut out, they just ask "for how long"?
There are a lot of factors that can change it, chiefly being interpretation. And like you I don't want to bore anyone
Interpretation from whom?
Worshippers, different sects (Lutherans, Catholics etc.) Regarding who has authority. I'm really not familiar with Jewish beliefs but I know there are a lot of differences between Christian denominations. It also doesn't help when people take their political beliefs and they try to meld them into their interpretation of what the bible says.
difference in jewish religious thought is generally speaking a factor of what rabbis you hold in esteemed authority and shit
judaism is all about what scholarly teachings and schools of thought and interpretations you choose to adhere to. it's not as black and white as are you reform or orthodox, it's complicated and nuanced and an issue of what rabbinical authority and teachings, if any, you consider legitimate.
difference in jewish religious thought is generally speaking a factor of what rabbis you hold in esteemed authority and shit
judaism is all about what scholarly teachings and schools of thought and interpretations you choose to adhere to. it's not as black and white as are you reform or orthodox, it's complicated and nuanced and an issue of what rabbinical authority and teachings, if any, you consider legitimate.
I could replace the word rabbi with christian denomination, and it would explain the same thing for christianity
well, my mom's side of the family is jewish and catholic.
my mother's mother is a jew, which according to jewish maternal heredity, makes me jewish i suppose
nonetheless, i was educated as a jew when i was a kid in addition to going to catholic school, because my mom believed that i should get a "balanced" viewpoint on the subjects
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difference in jewish religious thought is generally speaking a factor of what rabbis you hold in esteemed authority and shit
judaism is all about what scholarly teachings and schools of thought and interpretations you choose to adhere to. it's not as black and white as are you reform or orthodox, it's complicated and nuanced and an issue of what rabbinical authority and teachings, if any, you consider legitimate.
I could replace the word rabbi with christian denomination, and it would explain the same thing for christianity
the primary difference between the two is that different jewish schools of thought usually actually link back to real rabbis who have done real study
instead of a charming man in a nice suit with great hair smacking people in the forehead saying he has magic powers
i mean that sort of thing does happen in judaism, weirdo personality cults and claims of mystical powers happen too but are waaaaaaaaaay less common per capita, because most of the time to get any sort of religious following in judaism you can't just claim you have been given a vision from god, you have to show off credentials and say "i spent this much time in this school and received education from this group of rabbis" etc.
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I learned to speak Chinese.
Does that qualify me for making shit up about the afterlife?
oh shit 10,000 posts dedicated to ROBOSAX
That's why you gotta laugh.
They're not scary if you laugh.
Unless they're armed, then don't wait for him to finish, just run.
Maybe you should have learned English while you were at it.
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i grew up being raised both catholic and jewish, and seeing the difference between interpretations of the same scripture is mind blowing
Exactly.
At the end, God gives him a consolation prize for his devotion, but it's pretty clear that he didn't do what he really should have done.
I love (and agree with) Lewis Black's take on the topic of Christians trying to interpret the Old Testament.
Seriously, though, I want to know why christians hate gays, but eat shellfish.
I think a century of slowly phasing him out of our friendship circle should get the message across.
'Hey guys, how are you doin? Need a miracle'
'Did you hear something Bob?'
'Guys cmon. cmon you guys'
'Nah nothin, must have been one of our half mouse half chicken hybrids on the loose again'
'oh for fucks sake now you're just rubbing it in'
Tradition, ignorance, and good old fashioned malevolent hatred.
You seem to be conflating God with the Church.
That right there is the same mistake fundamentalists make.
oh what the fuck I thought it was a permaban
There are a lot of factors that can change it, chiefly being interpretation. And like you I don't want to bore anyone
You see, that's esentially what the Jewish view is already.
the occasional dick intern at the time machine lab goes to various eras of human civilization and fucks with us by creating god mythos'
Interpretation from whom?
ahem
quotes from the dalai lama
"Of course, abortion, from a Buddhist viewpoint, is an act of killing and is negative, generally speaking. But it depends on the circumstances. If the birth will create serious problems for the parent, these are cases where there can be an exception. I think abortion should be approved or disapproved according to each circumstance"
"If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say 'if two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay'"
he stated that his previous viewpoints on homosexuality and other non-reproductive sexual acts are potentially incorrect and he has "a willingness to consider the possibility that some of the teachings may be specific to a particular cultural and historic context"
but i mean far be it of a man to admit he's wrong or that opinions and viewpoints should change over time
in my opinion it makes the dalai lama even a bigger man to admit that he is wrong about something or that some of the more dogmatic teachings should be subject to individual analysis and context.
Man, every religion needs a clause in their book, like a disclaimer at the front that says basically this.
that's surprising
et tu, backwards name?
Worshippers, different sects (Lutherans, Catholics etc.) Regarding who has authority. I'm really not familiar with Jewish beliefs but I know there are a lot of differences between Christian denominations. It also doesn't help when people take their political beliefs and they try to meld them into their interpretation of what the bible says.
judaism is all about what scholarly teachings and schools of thought and interpretations you choose to adhere to. it's not as black and white as are you reform or orthodox, it's complicated and nuanced and an issue of what rabbinical authority and teachings, if any, you consider legitimate.
Cuz only Jewish people know anything at all about Judaism.
I could replace the word rabbi with christian denomination, and it would explain the same thing for christianity
my mother's mother is a jew, which according to jewish maternal heredity, makes me jewish i suppose
nonetheless, i was educated as a jew when i was a kid in addition to going to catholic school, because my mom believed that i should get a "balanced" viewpoint on the subjects
I'll bet most of them do they are just ignored.
psychopath, sane man
murderer, keeper of justice
buddhist, catholic, jew
the primary difference between the two is that different jewish schools of thought usually actually link back to real rabbis who have done real study
instead of a charming man in a nice suit with great hair smacking people in the forehead saying he has magic powers
i mean that sort of thing does happen in judaism, weirdo personality cults and claims of mystical powers happen too but are waaaaaaaaaay less common per capita, because most of the time to get any sort of religious following in judaism you can't just claim you have been given a vision from god, you have to show off credentials and say "i spent this much time in this school and received education from this group of rabbis" etc.
I doubt it. It's not like an easter egg for the people who can actually do close reading.
a couple of years ago, due to a fluke of the calendar the first day of hannukah and christmas day were the same day
so my grandparents decided "fuck it we'll rent a hall and have the entire family over for one thing"
holy shit that was a terrible idea.