t Wiggin: Saying that somebody doesn't "know" about their belief of a supreme being or their religion is way more aggravating than them spouting off ignorant shit.
If they have a strong enough faith, a conviction, that they feel that they know, then there ain't much you can do to sway their opinion and saying that there is no way they can know is really stupid.
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Quoththe RavenMiami, FL FOR REALRegistered Userregular
edited February 2009
let's get semaaaantic
v., knew (nū, nyū), known (nōn), know·ing, knows.
v.tr.
1. To perceive directly; grasp in the mind with clarity or certainty.
2. To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.
3. To have a practical understanding of, as through experience; be skilled in: knows how to cook.
4. To have fixed in the mind: knows her Latin verbs.
5. To have experience of: “a black stubble that had known no razor†(William Faulkner).
6.
1. To perceive as familiar; recognize: I know that face.
2. To be acquainted with: He doesn't know his neighbors.
7. To be able to distinguish; recognize as distinct: knows right from wrong.
8. To discern the character or nature of: knew him for a liar.
9. Archaic. To have sexual intercourse with.
v.intr.
1. To possess knowledge, understanding, or information.
2. To be cognizant or aware.
but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.
it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.
it makes me very very sad.
That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:
I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.
Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.
And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.
No offense intended.
According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"
According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.
So, right back at ya.
No offense intended.
I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.
You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.
*sigh*
I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).
Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.
It is hypocritical because your definition of marriage is offensive to other people in this country, yet you expect them to only conform to your definition and religious laws.
It is bigoted because you are discriminating against a group simply because they're different.
It is childish because it all just boils down to you not liking that the other people also get to do what you do without having to meet the same requirements as you.
but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.
it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.
it makes me very very sad.
That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:
I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.
Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.
And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.
No offense intended.
According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"
According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.
So, right back at ya.
No offense intended.
I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.
You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.
*sigh*
I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).
Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.
You don't KNOW, you believe
Religion is faith. Belief in the absence of proof.
No proof no knowing sorry
I do "know". My explanation of how I know wouldn't be sufficient for you, however. Much like you trying to explain how salt tastes to someone who has never tasted salt.
No you don't because THAT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE DEFINITION OF FAITH YOU FUCKING TOOL
Is he seriously comparing something as broad and open to interpretation as spirituality to a basic taste receptor reaction that an overwhelming number of people have experienced and could come to a basic consensus on?
but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.
it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.
it makes me very very sad.
That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:
I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.
Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.
And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.
No offense intended.
According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"
According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.
So, right back at ya.
No offense intended.
I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.
You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.
*sigh*
I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).
Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.
Is he seriously comparing something as broad and open to interpretation as spirituality to a basic taste receptor reaction that an overwhelming number of people have experienced and could come to a basic consensus on?
Not sure thats totally fair. My favorite word when I was young was "Why". I constantly and still ask questions. It was actually accepted and encouraged when I was at church. And one of the people I love touting to show that truly intellectual people can be members of the church is Hugh Nibley. Look the guy up. Or Henry B. Eyring. I gots more if you need.
naw, i got plenty of it on my own, what with what happened to me in three different wards in two different states. and the president of the quorum of the 12 said himself that the three greatest threats to mormonism are 'feminists, intellectuals, and homosexuals'
i am all three to at least some degree
I saw you quoted that earlier in the thread, but you didn't give a link or who actually said it. I would love to read that talk.
He was notorious for this. Another one of those things that the church just pushes aside and doesn't talk about because they can't go back and tell people he was wrong. It's kind of a horrible situation.
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MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
edited February 2009
Oh Darth
I have a feeling we would be as an unstoppable force if we hit the bars together.
but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.
it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.
it makes me very very sad.
That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:
I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.
Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.
And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.
No offense intended.
According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"
According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.
So, right back at ya.
No offense intended.
I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.
You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.
*sigh*
I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).
Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.
You don't KNOW, you believe
Religion is faith. Belief in the absence of proof.
No proof no knowing sorry
I do "know". My explanation of how I know wouldn't be sufficient for you, however. Much like you trying to explain how salt tastes to someone who has never tasted salt.
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Quoththe RavenMiami, FL FOR REALRegistered Userregular
I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).
Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.
Because it is the church that marries you, not the government. You are wanting your definition of marriage to be the governments definition of marriage.
Here in America, pushing religion on the government doesn't add inches to your dick.
guys look jigrah said something not stupid
quick, give him some positive reinforcement so maybe he'll keep doing it
but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.
it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.
it makes me very very sad.
That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:
I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.
Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.
And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.
No offense intended.
According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"
According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.
So, right back at ya.
No offense intended.
I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.
You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.
*sigh*
I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).
Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.
FOR THE LAST TIME, YOURS IS NOT THE ONLY FAITH AROUND, NOR IS IT THE ONLY ONE WITH A CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE
YOU FUCKING IDIOT
AGRGHIU
And they are allowed to express their opinions and vote accordingly as well. More power to em.
The next quotation is from a woman who is hurting, and perhaps wonders if anyone but the feminists care about her problems:
"I'm upset that I was always advised to go back and try harder only to get abused more. I need some comfort, I need solace, need hope, need to know Heavenly Father sees all that I have endured. What hope do I have for a chance to live with Heavenly Father? If temple marriage is the key to the celestial [kingdom], where am I? Outside gnashing my teeth for eternity? Help me."
The woman pleading for help needs to see the eternal nature of things and to know that her trials -- however hard to bear -- in the eternal scheme of things may be compared to a very, very bad experience in the second semester of the first grade. She will find no enduring peace in the feminist movement. There she will have no hope. If she knows the plan of redemption, she can be filled with hope.
Apparently if your husband beats you and you don't like it you are a feminist, also, it's really not that bad so get over it. Wow. This can't be what they really believe.
So if we all voted to ban Mormonism that would be ok?
Quick guys, let's get on that!
No, but I wouldn't mind putting a Proposition into California law allowing people to vote on whether or not Mormons could marry. Just to spice things up.
So if we all voted to ban Mormonism that would be ok?
Quick guys, let's get on that!
No, but I wouldn't mind putting a Proposition into California law allowing people to vote on whether or not Mormons could marry. Just to spice things up.
sounds good to me
Proposition 666: Mormons can only live in sin (or Utah)
And they are allowed to express their opinions and vote accordingly as well. More power to em.
So you think that if you were outnumbered by the practitioners of another bigoted religion, and they voted to restrict marriage to only practitioners of said religion, you wouldn't have a problem with it?
but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.
it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.
it makes me very very sad.
That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:
I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.
Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.
And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.
No offense intended.
According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"
According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.
So, right back at ya.
No offense intended.
I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.
You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.
*sigh*
I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).
Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.
FOR THE LAST TIME, YOURS IS NOT THE ONLY FAITH AROUND, NOR IS IT THE ONLY ONE WITH A CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE
YOU FUCKING IDIOT
AGRGHIU
And they are allowed to express their opinions and vote accordingly as well. More power to em.
Oh fuck the voting for a minute. This is a moral issue.
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If they have a strong enough faith, a conviction, that they feel that they know, then there ain't much you can do to sway their opinion and saying that there is no way they can know is really stupid.
v., knew (nū, nyū), known (nōn), know·ing, knows.
v.tr.
1. To perceive directly; grasp in the mind with clarity or certainty.
2. To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.
3. To have a practical understanding of, as through experience; be skilled in: knows how to cook.
4. To have fixed in the mind: knows her Latin verbs.
5. To have experience of: “a black stubble that had known no razor†(William Faulkner).
6.
1. To perceive as familiar; recognize: I know that face.
2. To be acquainted with: He doesn't know his neighbors.
7. To be able to distinguish; recognize as distinct: knows right from wrong.
8. To discern the character or nature of: knew him for a liar.
9. Archaic. To have sexual intercourse with.
v.intr.
1. To possess knowledge, understanding, or information.
2. To be cognizant or aware.
It is hypocritical because your definition of marriage is offensive to other people in this country, yet you expect them to only conform to your definition and religious laws.
It is bigoted because you are discriminating against a group simply because they're different.
It is childish because it all just boils down to you not liking that the other people also get to do what you do without having to meet the same requirements as you.
And as for the bolded part:
TOO FUCKING BAD
I was waiting for someone to say YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HOLD THIS OPINION YOU'RE JUST JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON
Fuck yourself
lucretius all up ins
Is he seriously comparing something as broad and open to interpretation as spirituality to a basic taste receptor reaction that an overwhelming number of people have experienced and could come to a basic consensus on?
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Tequila Sunrises for everyone!
And I'm really damn happy with my life.
Count me in; let's get retarded!
Yep
We're skipping beer and going right into the smooth stuff. No need for cruise control.
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He was notorious for this. Another one of those things that the church just pushes aside and doesn't talk about because they can't go back and tell people he was wrong. It's kind of a horrible situation.
I have a feeling we would be as an unstoppable force if we hit the bars together.
guys look jigrah said something not stupid
quick, give him some positive reinforcement so maybe he'll keep doing it
Where we're going we don't even need roads.
the third result is rather odd
And they are allowed to express their opinions and vote accordingly as well. More power to em.
Apparently if your husband beats you and you don't like it you are a feminist, also, it's really not that bad so get over it. Wow. This can't be what they really believe.
Quick guys, let's get on that!
Oh oh oh can Jigrah join?
Pretty Pretty Please.
I am an engine of alcoholic destruction under the right circumstances.
love you
No, but I wouldn't mind putting a Proposition into California law allowing people to vote on whether or not Mormons could marry. Just to spice things up.
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i would be a janitor in such a system
all cleaning up barf off the floors
Are these circumstances breathing and awake
I would vote for this a thousand times
like, I would go to jail for electoral fraud
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sounds good to me
Proposition 666: Mormons can only live in sin (or Utah)
God damn, Marines would hold every office.
Nothing would be sacred.
I will vote for this