[Warhammer 40k Online] speculation for the Speculation God!

Arghy

From another forum:

If you've ever followed one of the many 40k MMO brainstorming threads you would have seen the numerous arguments and eventual agreements that a FPS MMO ala planetside would never work were a RPG ala SWG will be able to work. I dont know about you but were WAR failed in the innovation department they made the best content i've ever seen in an MMO. The open quests and the gripping story line--game play may have been boring WoW crap but fuck if i cared because the story was extremely fun.

The real question is how will they make it. It will be a WoW clone without a doubt in terms of looks and exp but how the fuck will they do the item system and endgame? I could easily imagine a prestige system ala panzer general were instead of exp you grind prestige to use at the armory to gain more NPC's and buy them equipment. This could be used as the risk factor in pvp as instead of your enemy dropping loot they'll give you a certain amount of prestige to what their worth in terms of equipment and when you or your AI pets die you'll lose the shit you just geared them out with. Throw in an ammo system and you've got yourself a money sink--throw in multiple star systems with multiple planets that can be taken by players doing the quests ala WAR's keep system. You'll start off controlling 1 city and be forced to fight across the planet capturing citys and raw resources directly affecting what weapons/squad mates/armor you can purchase with badass scripted events such as titans and tanks storming the enemy positions rewarding you once you've taken the final hold out.

Taking part in a campaign for a planet will give you access to special(fancy looking) weapons and a shitton of badges/purity seals so a veteran IG player will be running around with 11 karskins in carapace armor wielding plasma/hell guns while the player himself is in semi power armor with an artifact power fist and a combi bolter. When you die you lose everything but your purity seals/rank so you could technically buy back all the shit again but it will cost you prestige so the active players who play smart will constantly run around looking badass. You'll get a fuck ton of prestige for pvp kills but killing the same person over and over again will reduce your points so players that pvp will be able to afford more things then players who just fight against NPC's.

Oh look i just designed a 40k MMO.

Dont forget fallout3 was an RPG and so is stalker--just because its an RPG doesnt mean you wont be aiming.

I liked WAR it was a WoW clone yes but it was fun.

If they ever made it a FPS i think it would be horrible because you'd have to balance space marines and IG without fucking up the lore. I mean i'm all for players running around with 15 IG NPC's against the 4 space marine NPC's but realistically i doubt they'll do it.

I wouldent mind an auto attack or atleast an auto aim if my char automatically sought cover so combat would be more of a spectating affair as you said attack and watched your squad go to work in all its glory.

-SPI-

GnomeTank wrote: »

As far as the comment that Warhammer 40K doesn't present itself well in typical MMO terms: That may be true, but until Dawn of War, Warhammer 40K didn't represent itself well in RTS terms either, which seems completely ludicrous...but it's true. Go look at 40K strategy games prior to Dawn of War...they were almost universally terrible.

There were no RTS games set in the 40k universe before Dawn of War. The only 40k videogames prior to that were:

Space Hulk- Which was awesome.
Chaos Gate- Turn Based Squad game, which was good.
Final Liberation- Turn based Based on Epic, which was good.
Rites of War- Which was a Panzer General turn based take on 40k, which was kind of mediocre/bad.
Fire Warrior- Which was a bad FPS.

So what are you talking about? Also I guess you could also count Space Crusade on the Amiga, but I don't have any information as to the quality of that.

The Dude With Herpes

He said look at the 40k strategy games prior to DoW. Not RTS games.

EDIT: The only one I ever tried was Rites of War which was terrible, but that was always my first thought of 40k as a PC game prior to DoW.

DodgeBlan

Everyone is going to dream and dream about their ideal expression of the 40k world.

And then the game will come out, and it will be WoW in the future.

Some people will play the game for a while, and then it will die.

Yes, I am a farseer.

DisruptorX2

The Dude With Herpes wrote: »

He said look at the 40k strategy games prior to DoW. Not RTS games.

EDIT: The only one I ever tried was Rites of War which was terrible, but that was always my first thought of 40k as a PC game prior to DoW.

That's not exactly what he said. He said it didn't lend itself to RTS, which isn't really true and is unverifiable, seeing as how there were none previously, and that previous games were terrible, which is also untrue.

Chaos Gate was a better game than Dawn of War.

The Dude With Herpes

DisruptorX2 wrote: »

The Dude With Herpes wrote: »

He said look at the 40k strategy games prior to DoW. Not RTS games.

EDIT: The only one I ever tried was Rites of War which was terrible, but that was always my first thought of 40k as a PC game prior to DoW.

That's not exactly what he said. He said it didn't lend itself to RTS, which isn't really true and is unverifiable, seeing as how there were none previously, and that previous games were terrible, which is also untrue.

Chaos Gate was a better game than Dawn of War.

The hell?

Saying it didn't seem like it lended itself to an RTS isn't a stretch. The tabletop game is a long drawn out turned based strategy game. If you've only ever played the tabletop game it could be easy to be concerned about how an RTS version would play out.

He was saying that just like folks might not have considered 40k a good fit for an RTS; though it ended up being good...the same might happen for an MMO.

Also Chaos Gate wasn't an RTS by any stretch of the imagination.

And the previous games were terrible. One example doesn't exactly refute the point. Sure, I heard the DS/PSP one was pretty good too, but Fire Warrior was ass, Rites of War was ass. You don't see Space Hulk or Space Crusade on anyones top retro PC game list.

I'm not sure what your point is. You liked a game. Great. But it doesn't really have anything to do with what he said.

Sterica

DodgeBlan wrote: »

Everyone is going to dream and dream about their ideal expression of the 40k world.

And then the game will come out, and it will be WoW in the future.

Some people will play the game for a while, and then it will die.

Yes, I am a farseer.

I'm really hoping this isn't the case.

I bet it'll be Space Marine only to boot, which will irritate the fuck out of me. At the VERY LEAST, they could have all the Imperium factions available. If I can't be an Ork I want to be a nun with a flame thrower.

Arghy

Dear god no soritas please! i love the fact that theres no female SM's and female IG wont turn into the damn NE's. I watched WoW turn into the perverted game it is today because everyone was masterbating to their chars. Sure you will get that with eldar but eldar players are questionable to begin with--i mean really SPACE ELVES? atleast the orks are lovably silly.

Games workshop is pretty goddamn serious about their IP so if you tried 'kill 20 gaunts' their not going to like it so at the very least we can hope they'll avoid that shit. I'd love a hold this ground for 20 minutes quest till NPC's reinforce you or maybe a 'capture this objective' forcing you to pvp. Then again quests are shit to begin with--give me a story line that rewards me with nothing else but scripted events.

This game is going to come out in 2012 along with duke nukem forever and the world will split asunder--dwarf fortress will also release in 3d.

Sterica

Oh please. There's also no females in the Orks, Tau, Chaos and just about EVERY FUCKING FACTION. They're incredibly rare unless it's a faction that's basically all-female.

And they're battle-scarred bitches in power armor. They're not going to be pretty.

Arghy

Well i've read a few 40k comic books and a few 40k novels that included lots of females--its true proper soritas should be battle scarred and all messed up but the most popular soritas storys/lore going around has a very hot sister of battle doing lots of erotic esc things. Theres tons of female cultists but they appear genderless because chaos isent into self image and the cultists often lose their gender to either gaining power or becoming powerless.

I mean shit chaos recruits entire worlds into armys--where do you think the women go? stay home and clean the house for khorne?

Theres plenty of female IG and tau but the tau are just hard to spot as theres almost no outward difference between tau male and female or there was some weird thing about their reproduction. I'm not sure but i kinda remember them being unisex. Theres female kroot but they look exactly the same as male kroot, orks reproduce via spores so no need for females(makes you wonder why they have a penis....). The only faction i know that doesnt have females is SM's but i think its more due to the selection process looking for fanatics which young boys are perfect for.

There was even a female chaos SM in storm of iron, granted she was accepted to be the owner of demon infused CSM armor but when she put it on she became a CSM.


The question of items is easily answered by using DoW2's system. Flat DPS with modifiers, it made sense lore wise in DoW2 so i see no difference. It would be nice if they added a durability system though cause it would be fun sending wave after wave of units against a SM and watching his armor and weapons break under the wall of flesh till they were down to nothing but their fists.

Wishpig

Well if you can even PLAY other races, Dark Eldar, Eldar, Sisters of Battle, and Chaos (considering Slannesh) have quite a bit of girl power. Also the IG have often used female Psykers, don't think they really care to much about the sex of a Psyker.

But honestly, I think this would be one of those areas where lore needs to be bent. With more and more girl gamers, you can't alienate them (ZING!).

DisruptorX2

The Dude With Herpes wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is. You liked a game. Great. But it doesn't really have anything to do with what he said.

I wouldn't put it that far, it thought it was ok. That does have much to do with his point though. Previous 40k games weren't all terrible.

Neli

The sisters are one of the coolest factions in 40K. It's not like they run around in plate thongs and twirl their hair. Rather, they run around in power armor with flamethrowers and burn people to ashes





They also look great

popfish

Love the idea of a WH40k mmo. A nice 3rd person shooter RPG could work with heavy focus on squads, strategy and immersion. Hopefully they'll disclose what rating they're going for early in the process. I would be let down if it was not at least mature.

Wishpig

popfish wrote: »

. I would be let down if it was not at least mature.

Wait... what??? I sure hope it's not higher then mature.

DodgeBlan

are we really doing this? are we really arguing about whether girls are grimdark enough?

Bigity

Ultramarines are the bestest. All the other chapters are various stages of heretics.

And the Redemptionists are the best when it comes to burning stuff up.

Arghy

What? your trying to say space wolves, imperial fists, and black templars are heretics? i mean fuck their some of the most fanatic pro emperor chapters out there. Now most of the other chapters are close to heretics i agree cause honestly fuck their denial of the codex.

Hey i'm just saying that when girls become bikini clad the games gos down the gutter with fucking over the top obsessive players. I enjoyed mortal onlines full nudity but i damn WoW's females purely because of the people that play WoW. If you rationalize playing a female char because you 'dont like looking at a mans ass' then your 1 step away from masterbating to your char--believe me i've watched it happen all the time when WoW launched. When your at this stage you become less resistant to the game becoming shitty which is why WoW treats its customers like whores. I fight this fight to keep game makers honest.

There will be female IG so girls might not get to be space marines but if the soritas are in then they can be those to. I think there would be riots in the street if there was a female SM.

Zzulu

what about female chaos SM

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eh

Bigity

Arghy wrote: »

What? your trying to say space wolves, imperial fists, and black templars are heretics? i mean fuck their some of the most fanatic pro emperor chapters out there. Now most of the other chapters are close to heretics i agree cause honestly fuck their denial of the codex.

Hey i'm just saying that when girls become bikini clad the games gos down the gutter with fucking over the top obsessive players. I enjoyed mortal onlines full nudity but i damn WoW's females purely because of the people that play WoW. If you rationalize playing a female char because you 'dont like looking at a mans ass' then your 1 step away from masterbating to your char--believe me i've watched it happen all the time when WoW launched. When your at this stage you become less resistant to the game becoming shitty which is why WoW treats its customers like whores. I fight this fight to keep game makers honest.

There will be female IG so girls might not get to be space marines but if the soritas are in then they can be those to. I think there would be riots in the street if there was a female SM.

Space Wolves are loyal but tainted and need to be purged by righteous fire.

I'll give you the Fists and Templars though.

A 40k mmo would hopefully stick to the lore a little better then WoW. I'd certainly hope so anyway.

Arghy

I dont know space wolves are pretty much on par with ultramarines in terms of importance to the imperium--they protect a large chunk of imperial space and they have a history of saving the imperium(angrons banishing helllllo).

Bigity

That's what they want you to think....and why they don't let anyone around during full moon phases.

Echo

Hey, neckbeards. Shut up.

Just_Bri_Thanks

Zzulu wrote: »

what about female chaos SM

eh


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cyfir

So, stepping aside of the raging "can I see boobies plz" debate, what would an MMORPG "not a WoW clone" look like? I'm a mediocre and unimaginative guy at the best of times, I know, but I can't think of what you would do to differentiate gameplay sufficiently to not be a wow-clone?

Arghy

A design where there are no player levels with no raids and preferably no auto attack. Honestly a planet side system is really the best way to go about it.

Mifio

They just said RPG, doesn't meant its not an Action RPG, or a FPSRPG. Age of Conan had an excellent combat system (I loved it at least), and it was an RPG, Borderlands is an FPSRPG. Whats to say that this isn't the same? We can't judge it until we actually see footage this june.

Salvation122

Arghy wrote: »

The only faction i know that doesnt have females is SM's but i think its more due to the selection process looking for fanatics which young boys are perfect for.

The genetic modifications and organ transplants are incompatible with female hormones.

Just_Bri_Thanks

I am pretty sure the Emperor could have swung it back when he whipped up the first batch.

Mr.Sunshine

I think Games-workshop has the final say when it comes to things like bending the lore in a way that somehow fits in a female version of Space Marine that isn't a Sister of Battle.

I'm pretty sure they'll say 'No'.

Syrdon

cyfir wrote: »

So, stepping aside of the raging "can I see boobies plz" debate, what would an MMORPG "not a WoW clone" look like? I'm a mediocre and unimaginative guy at the best of times, I know, but I can't think of what you would do to differentiate gameplay sufficiently to not be a wow-clone?

Bad Company 2, some of the persistent universe Tribes servers, Borderlands, a persistent universe version of GRAW would actually seem to be a reasonable option for this game.

WoW has a few defining features: Its a level based system, its almost entirely PvE oriented, for the most part players can't effect real change on the world, the interface is probably a big one (from its skill heavy system to the 3rd person viewpoint), auto attack and clicking to select your target should also probably be in this list. Its art style and general setting also probably should, but it seems like the 40k mmo will be staying as far away from that as possible.

The Warhammer universe lends itself pretty easily to a PvP based game, the trick is to make your pvp system both balanced and fun (and having it actually matter helps too). One of the things to note there is that if its going to be balanced then you need some way to account for player populations not being balanced (ie: tenacity in wintergrasp). It also lends itself to an FPS based interface rather than a 3rd person interface, but that could just be my bias coming out.

Wishpig

Mr.Sunshine wrote: »

I think Games-workshop has the final say when it comes to things like bending the lore in a way that somehow fits in a female version of Space Marine that isn't a Sister of Battle.

I'm pretty sure they'll say 'No'.

I'm pretty sure we don't know what they'll say.

look at dwarfs in Warhammer Online... their mount was a freakin helicopter! If you know anything about dwarf lore, you know thats a not a bending of lore, thats a reshaping of lore as dwarfs as a whole are very very very very very very very very anti-technology. To many dwarfs a cannon is untrustworthy. And flying!? Unheard of, save for a few physco dwarfs that are outcasts.

Syrdon wrote: »

cyfir wrote: »

The Warhammer universe lends itself pretty easily to a PvP based game, the trick is to make your pvp system both balanced and fun (and having it actually matter helps too). One of the things to note there is that if its going to be balanced then you need some way to account for player populations not being balanced (ie: tenacity in wintergrasp). It also lends itself to an FPS based interface rather than a 3rd person interface, but that could just be my bias coming out.

PvP is a must, and I'm sure it will play a heavy role in the MMO. I thought Warhammer Online had some really damn good ideas PvP wise. Hopefully Virgil will use what worked in that and bring it over to 40k.

Just_Bri_Thanks

Mr.Sunshine wrote: »

I think Games-workshop has the final say when it comes to things like bending the lore in a way that somehow fits in a female version of Space Marine that isn't a Sister of Battle.

I'm pretty sure they'll say 'No'.

No doubt. All I am saying is that the Emperor was a pretty schmat guy. He could'a figgered it out.

Sterica

I'd prefer a leveling system similar to Fallen Earth for this.

Librarian's ghost

I wonder how playing an Imperial Guardsman will balance out against marines and the like. May as a Guard player gets higher levels, they will have npc troops they can command.

Bigity

Every guardsman comes with his own Leman Russ.

Dunxco

Ogryn bodyguard.

JohnnyToxxic

815165 wrote: »

No playable Orks, no purchase, sirs.

NoCats

I'd imagine you'd play as an Imperial Guard Storm Trooper (the best of the best), rather than a generic guardsman.

Syrdon

I think they mentioned trying to do squads (not 100% on that though, so don't quote me). If so, that should do the trick for balancing them.