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True Grit: It's quite gritty!

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    DraperDraper __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    I give it a B. Coens are consistently on the good side but never on the really good or great.

    What?

    or see :22 seconds in http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1943369

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    KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    if you don't think the coen brothers have ever made a great or good movie you have the worst possible taste in movies

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2010
    Tombstone would have been almost mediocre without Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday. He absolutely stole the movie.

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    CrackedLensCrackedLens Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    what about

    Sam

    Mother Fucking

    Elliot

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    SupraluminalSupraluminal Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    yeah it underlined things from the rest of the film, but i didn't think it had a lot to say on its own. it could've worked if it were longer, but as is i found it tacked on and unnecessary feeling. "and then she went back to her real life and grew up to be the same person but older" doesn't really need anything.

    Yeah, it was awkward. It needed to either be longer, so as to feel like a substantial piece of the film in its own right, or shorter, to act as a very simple "And that's the end!" that doesn't outstay its welcome. Or just cut outright. As it was, the story that we came to see was over. The coda mainly served to put in a buffer of time and perspective that converts the drama and intensity of what you just watched into ancient history.

    Personally I thought the last scene with her at the graveyard was nice, especially visually. I think it could have worked well on its own, with just a few sentences of voiceover on top of it to sum up what happened to LaBoeuf and Cogburn (and the relocation of his bones).

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2010
    what about

    Sam

    Mother Fucking

    Elliot

    Sam Elliot is fantastic, but Kilmer straight up stole the movie. STOLE

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    DraperDraper __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    You ain't no daisy.

    You ain't no daisy at all.

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Woodroez wrote: »
    Sars_Boy wrote: »
    I disagree with you all on jesse james

    but I will not call you names because I am above that sort of behavior

    Honestly the movie itself wasn't bad, but because of the stupid, stupid title, there was no tension or conflict or anything. You walk in to the theater and you say "I'll take one for The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" and then you go sit down and watch the assassination of Jesse James by the coward, Robert Ford. There's never any doubt or questioning what is going to happen in the end, so the whole thing just feels way too drawn out and boring. What should have been the most dramatic scene in the movie just leaves you with a feeling of "yup...that's the title..."

    that seems like a silly complaint considering it's based on history.

    Reminds me of the spoiler jokes with The Passion of the Christ.

    That and Titanic.

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    Akilae729Akilae729 Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Damn good movie.

    I always find movies in a western setting SUPER stressful though. Because in this time period when people get hurt they tend to really get hurt and medicine really isn't up to the point where its O.K. for someone to get shot up. Pretty much ends up being a waiting game until someone needs a slug dug out of them (like that movie about Andersonville)

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    World as MythWorld as Myth a breezy way to annoy serious people Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    tombstone can't even be considered in the same category as other films

    it's not fair to them

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    DraperDraper __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    tombstone can't even be considered in the same category as other films

    it's not fair to them

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yfr_Zj1iU4

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    George Fornby GrillGeorge Fornby Grill ...Like Clockwork Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I watched this. It was enjoyable!

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    CrackedLensCrackedLens Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    tombstone can't even be considered in the same category as other films

    it's not fair to them

    the only bad parts of tombstone are the ones with Dana Delaney, espescially the scene where they ride horses together

    oh and all the stupid one liners and faces Bill Paxton makes

    everything else is pure grade A fucking awesome

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    DraperDraper __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
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    SupraluminalSupraluminal Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    still say Red Sun is the best western ever made

    never gonna budge from this

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    CrackedLensCrackedLens Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    your opinion is biased

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    JoolanderJoolander Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    well

    it does have Ursula Andress topless


    so

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    DraperDraper __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    tombstone can't even be considered in the same category as other films

    it's not fair to them

    the only bad parts of tombstone are the ones with Dana Delaney, espescially the scene where they ride horses together

    oh and all the stupid one liners and faces Bill Paxton makes

    everything else is pure grade A fucking awesome

    Every single line from Val Kilmer here is brilliance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnwvZcb9EEM

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    tombstone can't even be considered in the same category as other films

    it's not fair to them

    the only bad parts of tombstone are the ones with Dana Delaney, espescially the scene where they ride horses together

    oh and all the stupid one liners and faces Bill Paxton makes

    everything else is pure grade A fucking awesome

    how dare you besmirch Bill Paxton

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Not seeing much of a case against Tombstone here.

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    your opinion is biased

    it is charles bronson and toshiro mifune kickin' ass

    and a topless lady what for got kidnapped by injuns

    it is the bomb

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    also seriously this thread has someone dissin' bill paxton and someone saying the coens never made a great movie

    the hell is the matter in here

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    also seriously this thread has someone dissin' bill paxton and someone saying the coens never made a great movie

    the hell is the matter in here

    Game over, man!

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    DraperDraper __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    Nihilists, dude.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Draper wrote: »
    tombstone can't even be considered in the same category as other films

    it's not fair to them

    the only bad parts of tombstone are the ones with Dana Delaney, espescially the scene where they ride horses together

    oh and all the stupid one liners and faces Bill Paxton makes

    everything else is pure grade A fucking awesome

    Every single line from Val Kilmer here is brilliance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnwvZcb9EEM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56vwZ_oclw

    Skin that smoke-wagon and see what happens!

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2010
    Bill Paxton is the God Damned EXTREME!

    "Why do you call him the extreme."

    "Because Bill IS the extreme. There was one time, he has a bottle of Jack Daniels, he was butt naked."

    "I was not naked."

    "He walks up to the twister, he throws the bottle, he says here have some. The bottle never hits the ground."

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    As much as I love The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, it has scenes that just kind of drag. I can't think of anything in Tombstone like that.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    The good the bad and the ugly is an epic that represents the climax of a trilogy that is itself grand in its construction. There isn't a comparison between it and Tombstone, anymore than there is a comparison between star wars and blade runner. Just because they're arguably in the same genre doesn't necessarily make them similar movies.

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    GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I'll admit that it was a little bit frustrating to have the ending tell us that all this effort went into avenging little Mattie Ross' father and then saving her life only so she can grow up to be a bitter old maid. Didn't entirely see what it added to the movie, though it was certainly true to the film's tone.

    My only other serious problem with the movie was that I thought Brolin as Cheney was sort of wasted. He's barely in the movie at all and when he is the character really does seem like little more than a half-wit. I thought that was a bit of a letdown, especially after the trailers sort of gave me the impression that he and Mattie were going to have it out sitting at that campfire and we were going to find out there was something more to this guy and/or the murder he committed ("I DO NOT REGRET KILLING YOUR FATHER!").

    Other than that no real complaints. Bridges and Damon were both great. Worth the price of admission. Won't be going on my DVD shelf right next to my favorite Eastwood westerns on release day, but that's hardly a fair standard.

    Re: Tombstone - The Doc Holliday dialogue makes up for everything else in the movie by itself.

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    I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    My problem with the epilogue was the group in the front who start cackling when they saw she
    only had one arm

    Is that a spoiler? I mean it doesn't really ruin anything.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Yeah, that's a spoiler.

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    TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    my friend laughed EVERY time a black person was on camera. They didn't even have to say a line.

    eventually me and my friends were just staring at him and he could not stop laughing

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    GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I only burst out laughing when when the Indian who gets hanged at the beginning of the movie ("Before I die, I would like to say...") sounded exactly like John Redcorn.

    Wait, fuck, it really was John Redcorn. :lol:

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I laughed at this line:
    If they wanted a proper burial, they should have died in summer.

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    I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Gaslight wrote: »
    I only burst out laughing when when the Indian who gets hanged at the beginning of the movie ("Before I die, I would like to say...") sounded exactly like John Redcorn.

    Wait, fuck, it really was John Redcorn. :lol:

    I laughed when that happened because it was funny.

    I burst out laughing when Rooster got off his horse.

    Jeff Bridges made me laugh a lot.

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    FandeathisFandeathis Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    oddbill wrote: »
    God how can you think the coda was insubstantial?

    She became the woman she had to be, a cruel and efficient intellect forever tied to the filthy heroes of her childhood. She always loved LaBeouf, she never forgot the curls of his hair. And Cogburn was god's instrument and worthy of enduring low company to visit, even after death. The time she lived into never equaled the men she new as a child, and her will never bent. Even the flesh of her limbs was an afterthought hardly missed.

    Mattie wasn't a finished character until you saw the woman she became. It was a lonely world, and the only order or justice it afforded was what determined minds took for themselves, whether it was the lives Cogburn claimed with his pistols or the bones Mattie saw properly interred decades later.

    The coda underlined the whole substance of that film.

    Glad to see some good opinions in this thread. Don't know why people gave you shit for this post, because you are spot on man!

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Yeah, now that I read it, that's a good interpretation.

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    TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    also I used to watch westerns all the time with my grandfather

    and honestly

    none of them sucked me in as much as no country for old men

    hell I went to see it twice in theaters, and I never do that

    so that's gotta be my personal favourite

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    CrackedLensCrackedLens Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Here's my thing with Bill Paxton

    Weird Science, Aliens, Navy Seals, Frailty, True Lies: all great

    But him as Morgan Earp is just bad. Not even in a good Paxton bad sorta way.

    I don't know, it's just lines thrown in like "Heh heh, you're the one, Wyatt!" and that stupid wide eyed, lip biting expression of confusion and guilt that he wears throughout half the movie that just gets to me

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