yeah it underlined things from the rest of the film, but i didn't think it had a lot to say on its own. it could've worked if it were longer, but as is i found it tacked on and unnecessary feeling. "and then she went back to her real life and grew up to be the same person but older" doesn't really need anything.
Yeah, it was awkward. It needed to either be longer, so as to feel like a substantial piece of the film in its own right, or shorter, to act as a very simple "And that's the end!" that doesn't outstay its welcome. Or just cut outright. As it was, the story that we came to see was over. The coda mainly served to put in a buffer of time and perspective that converts the drama and intensity of what you just watched into ancient history.
Personally I thought the last scene with her at the graveyard was nice, especially visually. I think it could have worked well on its own, with just a few sentences of voiceover on top of it to sum up what happened to LaBoeuf and Cogburn (and the relocation of his bones).
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Honestly the movie itself wasn't bad, but because of the stupid, stupid title, there was no tension or conflict or anything. You walk in to the theater and you say "I'll take one for The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" and then you go sit down and watch the assassination of Jesse James by the coward, Robert Ford. There's never any doubt or questioning what is going to happen in the end, so the whole thing just feels way too drawn out and boring. What should have been the most dramatic scene in the movie just leaves you with a feeling of "yup...that's the title..."
that seems like a silly complaint considering it's based on history.
Reminds me of the spoiler jokes with The Passion of the Christ.
I always find movies in a western setting SUPER stressful though. Because in this time period when people get hurt they tend to really get hurt and medicine really isn't up to the point where its O.K. for someone to get shot up. Pretty much ends up being a waiting game until someone needs a slug dug out of them (like that movie about Andersonville)
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tombstone can't even be considered in the same category as other films
The good the bad and the ugly is an epic that represents the climax of a trilogy that is itself grand in its construction. There isn't a comparison between it and Tombstone, anymore than there is a comparison between star wars and blade runner. Just because they're arguably in the same genre doesn't necessarily make them similar movies.
I'll admit that it was a little bit frustrating to have the ending tell us that all this effort went into avenging little Mattie Ross' father and then saving her life only so she can grow up to be a bitter old maid. Didn't entirely see what it added to the movie, though it was certainly true to the film's tone.
My only other serious problem with the movie was that I thought Brolin as Cheney was sort of wasted. He's barely in the movie at all and when he is the character really does seem like little more than a half-wit. I thought that was a bit of a letdown, especially after the trailers sort of gave me the impression that he and Mattie were going to have it out sitting at that campfire and we were going to find out there was something more to this guy and/or the murder he committed ("I DO NOT REGRET KILLING YOUR FATHER!").
Other than that no real complaints. Bridges and Damon were both great. Worth the price of admission. Won't be going on my DVD shelf right next to my favorite Eastwood westerns on release day, but that's hardly a fair standard.
Re: Tombstone - The Doc Holliday dialogue makes up for everything else in the movie by itself.
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My problem with the epilogue was the group in the front who start cackling when they saw she
only had one arm
Is that a spoiler? I mean it doesn't really ruin anything.
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I only burst out laughing when when the Indian who gets hanged at the beginning of the movie ("Before I die, I would like to say...") sounded exactly like John Redcorn.
Wait, fuck, it really was John Redcorn.
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I laughed at this line:
If they wanted a proper burial, they should have died in summer.
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I only burst out laughing when when the Indian who gets hanged at the beginning of the movie ("Before I die, I would like to say...") sounded exactly like John Redcorn.
Wait, fuck, it really was John Redcorn.
I laughed when that happened because it was funny.
I burst out laughing when Rooster got off his horse.
She became the woman she had to be, a cruel and efficient intellect forever tied to the filthy heroes of her childhood. She always loved LaBeouf, she never forgot the curls of his hair. And Cogburn was god's instrument and worthy of enduring low company to visit, even after death. The time she lived into never equaled the men she new as a child, and her will never bent. Even the flesh of her limbs was an afterthought hardly missed.
Mattie wasn't a finished character until you saw the woman she became. It was a lonely world, and the only order or justice it afforded was what determined minds took for themselves, whether it was the lives Cogburn claimed with his pistols or the bones Mattie saw properly interred decades later.
The coda underlined the whole substance of that film.
Glad to see some good opinions in this thread. Don't know why people gave you shit for this post, because you are spot on man!
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Yeah, now that I read it, that's a good interpretation.
Weird Science, Aliens, Navy Seals, Frailty, True Lies: all great
But him as Morgan Earp is just bad. Not even in a good Paxton bad sorta way.
I don't know, it's just lines thrown in like "Heh heh, you're the one, Wyatt!" and that stupid wide eyed, lip biting expression of confusion and guilt that he wears throughout half the movie that just gets to me
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Yeah, it was awkward. It needed to either be longer, so as to feel like a substantial piece of the film in its own right, or shorter, to act as a very simple "And that's the end!" that doesn't outstay its welcome. Or just cut outright. As it was, the story that we came to see was over. The coda mainly served to put in a buffer of time and perspective that converts the drama and intensity of what you just watched into ancient history.
Personally I thought the last scene with her at the graveyard was nice, especially visually. I think it could have worked well on its own, with just a few sentences of voiceover on top of it to sum up what happened to LaBoeuf and Cogburn (and the relocation of his bones).
Sam Elliot is fantastic, but Kilmer straight up stole the movie. STOLE
You ain't no daisy at all.
That and Titanic.
I always find movies in a western setting SUPER stressful though. Because in this time period when people get hurt they tend to really get hurt and medicine really isn't up to the point where its O.K. for someone to get shot up. Pretty much ends up being a waiting game until someone needs a slug dug out of them (like that movie about Andersonville)
it's not fair to them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yfr_Zj1iU4
the only bad parts of tombstone are the ones with Dana Delaney, espescially the scene where they ride horses together
oh and all the stupid one liners and faces Bill Paxton makes
everything else is pure grade A fucking awesome
pppffffahahah
so good
never gonna budge from this
it does have Ursula Andress topless
so
Every single line from Val Kilmer here is brilliance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnwvZcb9EEM
how dare you besmirch Bill Paxton
it is charles bronson and toshiro mifune kickin' ass
and a topless lady what for got kidnapped by injuns
it is the bomb
the hell is the matter in here
Game over, man!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56vwZ_oclw
Skin that smoke-wagon and see what happens!
"Why do you call him the extreme."
"Because Bill IS the extreme. There was one time, he has a bottle of Jack Daniels, he was butt naked."
"I was not naked."
"He walks up to the twister, he throws the bottle, he says here have some. The bottle never hits the ground."
My only other serious problem with the movie was that I thought Brolin as Cheney was sort of wasted. He's barely in the movie at all and when he is the character really does seem like little more than a half-wit. I thought that was a bit of a letdown, especially after the trailers sort of gave me the impression that he and Mattie were going to have it out sitting at that campfire and we were going to find out there was something more to this guy and/or the murder he committed ("I DO NOT REGRET KILLING YOUR FATHER!").
Other than that no real complaints. Bridges and Damon were both great. Worth the price of admission. Won't be going on my DVD shelf right next to my favorite Eastwood westerns on release day, but that's hardly a fair standard.
Re: Tombstone - The Doc Holliday dialogue makes up for everything else in the movie by itself.
Is that a spoiler? I mean it doesn't really ruin anything.
eventually me and my friends were just staring at him and he could not stop laughing
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Wait, fuck, it really was John Redcorn.
I laughed when that happened because it was funny.
I burst out laughing when Rooster got off his horse.
Jeff Bridges made me laugh a lot.
Glad to see some good opinions in this thread. Don't know why people gave you shit for this post, because you are spot on man!
and honestly
none of them sucked me in as much as no country for old men
hell I went to see it twice in theaters, and I never do that
so that's gotta be my personal favourite
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Weird Science, Aliens, Navy Seals, Frailty, True Lies: all great
But him as Morgan Earp is just bad. Not even in a good Paxton bad sorta way.
I don't know, it's just lines thrown in like "Heh heh, you're the one, Wyatt!" and that stupid wide eyed, lip biting expression of confusion and guilt that he wears throughout half the movie that just gets to me