I had such romantic notions about graphic design. The reality is that everyone just wants everything more bold and larger and don't understand that if everything is going to fit it can't all be huge.
Quitting graphic design was just the most superest.
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edited February 2011
And to be fair. I can appreciate the aesthetic beauty of a building. I really can.
And I can understand the phrase art is never finished, only abandoned.
But, they just gotta find a different point to abandon it.
I once nearly had to fly to Texas to tell a lady there is a physical limitation to how much weight you can put on something.
She just couldn't understand the concept.
My brother is engaged in an email skirmish with some lady
this lady is an interior designer and had been given the responsibility of organising the company signage
she has contacted my brother at my family's signage business to request quotes and designs
this signage is made out of acrylic which only comes in a relatively small amount of colours - say 3 different reds for example, and 3 different greens.
The client has asked for the acrylic to match the pantone value of her company's brand, which is a fair request
My brother has regrettably informed her that he cannot match the exact pantone value in Acrylic as there are only a limited amount of colours available. He gives her approximate pantone values of the colours he can supply close to the colour she requested
She replies, not with a choice of the colours he suggested, but a new pantone number asking if he can match that one instead
My brother once again tells her that acrylic is only produced in a small amount of colours and again offers the pantone values he has previously, but offers that the acrylic could be painted to match the exact colour, internal lights would not shine through the paint
She says this is unacceptable, and if he cannot match the previous pantone colours provided, could he match a new code which she provides
rinse
repeat
He's sending her a straight copy-pasted response by now. 2 or 3 times a day. She keeps requesting new pantone colours.
I had such romantic notions about graphic design. The reality is that everyone just wants everything more bold and larger and don't understand that if everything is going to fit it can't all be huge.
Quitting graphic design was just the most superest.
that is a damn shame.
Did you work freelance or within companies? I had this experience freelance a few times but never really when I worked in house. It's a shame you let a bunch of crappy clients run you out of what's usually a pretty great industry.
Gonna go for my masters in printmaking at the art institute of Chicago, hopefully (please save me a spot ~two year from now guys. Please?)
Gonna be poor and in debt like wooooahhhh
gonna get a master's in some kind of biology
and then apply to some sort of healthcare school
or sell my soul and become a pharmaceutical sales rep
or go into research and live a life of stress
or if I win the lottery, I'll become an artist
I have learned that Graphic Design is something in which an actual university degree is more hindrance than help.
I disagree, but only if you realise the degree itself is pretty much useless and instead use your time to focus on making contacts with the Right People and building a portfolio.
That said, I'm still at uni so maybe I'll learn otherwise.
We used to do work for a lady that touted herself as an outstanding graphic designer with years and years of print experience.
She brought a two-colour print job she'd put together, in RGB done in CorelDraw. I explained to her that as it was it would not be a two colour print job, but a four colour one instead.
So after 90 minutes explaining to her how a fucking press works she agreed to change the part of the job that would be in gold to process yellow in the file so I could make two plates and print this goddamn thing, if I assured her that even though the file was yellow, I would use my mystical powers to ensure the print was done in gold ink.
I have learned that Graphic Design is something in which an actual university degree is more hindrance than help.
I disagree, but only if you realise the degree itself is pretty much useless and instead focus on making contacts with the Right People and building a portfolio.
That said, I'm still at uni so maybe I'll learn otherwise.
I know it's only circumstantial evidence, but I know about half a dozen designers with a degree and none of them have a design job, although not for lack of searching
In my experience, the guys who do short, intense, up-to-date, practical courses have a much easier time finding work, partly because they know how to deal with realistic deadlines, they know how to be diverse and they're taught very practically instead of theoretically
but also because 3 or 4 years is a damn long time to be studying an industry that moves so fast. By the time people earn a degree, they've decided they want to specialise in something so they either don't look for or have a hard time getting work in any other speciality.
It's dangerous to be a specialist without any actual real-world experience in that field.
In my mind a better way to spend those three years is 6 months studying and 2 and a half years earning on-the-job experience.
I have learned that Graphic Design is something in which an actual university degree is more hindrance than help.
I disagree, but only if you realise the degree itself is pretty much useless and instead focus on making contacts with the Right People and building a portfolio.
That said, I'm still at uni so maybe I'll learn otherwise.
I know it's only circumstantial evidence, but I know about half a dozen designers with a degree and none of them have a design job, although not for lack of searching
In my experience, the guys who do short, intense, up-to-date, practical courses have a much easier time finding work, partly because they know how to deal with realistic deadlines, they know how to be diverse and they're taught very practically instead of theoretically
but also because 3 or 4 years is a damn long time to be studying an industry that moves so fast. By the time people earn a degree, they've decided they want to specialise in something so they either don't look for or have a hard time getting work in any other speciality.
It's dangerous to be a specialist without any actual real-world experience in that field.
In my mind a better way to spend those three years is 6 months studying and 2 and a half years earning on-the-job experience.
agree.
its like any other vocational skill.
I know a lot of unemployed artists with a mountain of school debt. Not that I think the degree itself is a hinderance, although the debt certainly is, but degrees rarely help more than self education would.
I have learned that Graphic Design is something in which an actual university degree is more hindrance than help.
I disagree, but only if you realise the degree itself is pretty much useless and instead focus on making contacts with the Right People and building a portfolio.
That said, I'm still at uni so maybe I'll learn otherwise.
I know it's only circumstantial evidence, but I know about half a dozen designers with a degree and none of them have a design job, although not for lack of searching
In my experience, the guys who do short, intense, up-to-date, practical courses have a much easier time finding work, partly because they know how to deal with realistic deadlines, they know how to be diverse and they're taught very practically instead of theoretically
but also because 3 or 4 years is a damn long time to be studying an industry that moves so fast. By the time people earn a degree, they've decided they want to specialise in something so they either don't look for or have a hard time getting work in any other speciality.
It's dangerous to be a specialist without any actual real-world experience in that field.
In my mind a better way to spend those three years is 6 months studying and 2 and a half years earning on-the-job experience.
This makes sense.
I suppose one of the appeals of university (or at least my course) is that you get to experiment in a range of fields and take electives from any course on the campus. Plus if you're in a good course a lot of the tutors are actually fairly reputable designers, with contacts in the industry and blah. Besides, it's good fun.
And its a starting point for people who don't have the motivation or knowhow to propell themself in to a professional environment straight out of school. A number of people in my course actually don't seem as though they're that interested in graphic design at all, just plugging along to the end of the degree. Of course, there are fewer of them now that we're going in to 3rd year (or technically 2nd year for me, since I'm doing a double degree).
You definitely don't need a degree - most of the things I know about design I've taught myself - but I'm gonna try and make the best of it anyway. I'll probably be assisting with some of the first year computer tutorials this year, which should be good experience (and hopefully look shiny on my resume)!
This is a thread I will enjoy. I'll post some good design when I'm home; but for now, here's the worst designs I have ever had the displeasure of using:
This is a thread I will enjoy. I'll post some good design when I'm home; but for now, here's the worst designs I have ever had the displeasure of using:
This is a thread I will enjoy. I'll post some good design when I'm home; but for now, here's the worst designs I have ever had the displeasure of using:
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They strike me as self important control freaks.
Fuck
Y'all
Graphic designer majors
The issue is when things change.
Which they do all the time in comercial and domestic things.
This is why I mostly deal with mining.
They just want shit to work.
To be fair they change their minds too. But for tangible reasons usually and not as often.
Satans..... hints.....
what me? nononono brotosaurus, I'm a bio major, I'm almost as fucked as you.
Printmaking is awesome
Quitting graphic design was just the most superest.
And I can understand the phrase art is never finished, only abandoned.
But, they just gotta find a different point to abandon it.
Satans..... hints.....
My brother is engaged in an email skirmish with some lady
this lady is an interior designer and had been given the responsibility of organising the company signage
she has contacted my brother at my family's signage business to request quotes and designs
this signage is made out of acrylic which only comes in a relatively small amount of colours - say 3 different reds for example, and 3 different greens.
The client has asked for the acrylic to match the pantone value of her company's brand, which is a fair request
My brother has regrettably informed her that he cannot match the exact pantone value in Acrylic as there are only a limited amount of colours available. He gives her approximate pantone values of the colours he can supply close to the colour she requested
She replies, not with a choice of the colours he suggested, but a new pantone number asking if he can match that one instead
My brother once again tells her that acrylic is only produced in a small amount of colours and again offers the pantone values he has previously, but offers that the acrylic could be painted to match the exact colour, internal lights would not shine through the paint
She says this is unacceptable, and if he cannot match the previous pantone colours provided, could he match a new code which she provides
rinse
repeat
He's sending her a straight copy-pasted response by now. 2 or 3 times a day. She keeps requesting new pantone colours.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
Oh cool
Let's be poor buddies
okay blake i made you a rough draft of my idea
i even put lines on it like you guys do!
please note that the butt-chimney is super important and cant be changed or removed
i advise you to shape it like a heart
while also making it easuly santa-accessible
The Impecunious Gentlemen's Club
that is a damn shame.
Did you work freelance or within companies? I had this experience freelance a few times but never really when I worked in house. It's a shame you let a bunch of crappy clients run you out of what's usually a pretty great industry.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
Satans..... hints.....
Gonna go for my masters in printmaking at the art institute of Chicago, hopefully (please save me a spot ~two year from now guys. Please?)
Gonna be poor and in debt like wooooahhhh
cause
mmmmm yes
Wings if fo bitches
Dear satan I wish for this or maybe some of this....oh and I'm a medium or a large.
Which basically means I'm responsible for getting frustrated at content management systems and filling out spreadsheets.
gonna get a master's in some kind of biology
and then apply to some sort of healthcare school
or sell my soul and become a pharmaceutical sales rep
or go into research and live a life of stress
or if I win the lottery, I'll become an artist
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
I disagree, but only if you realise the degree itself is pretty much useless and instead use your time to focus on making contacts with the Right People and building a portfolio.
That said, I'm still at uni so maybe I'll learn otherwise.
She brought a two-colour print job she'd put together, in RGB done in CorelDraw. I explained to her that as it was it would not be a two colour print job, but a four colour one instead.
So after 90 minutes explaining to her how a fucking press works she agreed to change the part of the job that would be in gold to process yellow in the file so I could make two plates and print this goddamn thing, if I assured her that even though the file was yellow, I would use my mystical powers to ensure the print was done in gold ink.
Dear satan I wish for this or maybe some of this....oh and I'm a medium or a large.
I know it's only circumstantial evidence, but I know about half a dozen designers with a degree and none of them have a design job, although not for lack of searching
In my experience, the guys who do short, intense, up-to-date, practical courses have a much easier time finding work, partly because they know how to deal with realistic deadlines, they know how to be diverse and they're taught very practically instead of theoretically
but also because 3 or 4 years is a damn long time to be studying an industry that moves so fast. By the time people earn a degree, they've decided they want to specialise in something so they either don't look for or have a hard time getting work in any other speciality.
It's dangerous to be a specialist without any actual real-world experience in that field.
In my mind a better way to spend those three years is 6 months studying and 2 and a half years earning on-the-job experience.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
agree.
its like any other vocational skill.
I know a lot of unemployed artists with a mountain of school debt. Not that I think the degree itself is a hinderance, although the debt certainly is, but degrees rarely help more than self education would.
This makes sense.
I suppose one of the appeals of university (or at least my course) is that you get to experiment in a range of fields and take electives from any course on the campus. Plus if you're in a good course a lot of the tutors are actually fairly reputable designers, with contacts in the industry and blah. Besides, it's good fun.
And its a starting point for people who don't have the motivation or knowhow to propell themself in to a professional environment straight out of school. A number of people in my course actually don't seem as though they're that interested in graphic design at all, just plugging along to the end of the degree. Of course, there are fewer of them now that we're going in to 3rd year (or technically 2nd year for me, since I'm doing a double degree).
You definitely don't need a degree - most of the things I know about design I've taught myself - but I'm gonna try and make the best of it anyway. I'll probably be assisting with some of the first year computer tutorials this year, which should be good experience (and hopefully look shiny on my resume)!
But damn if you aren't meeting people and making connections you are wasting some time
and there's a page showing a four page folded flyer or whatever
and at the bottom it's like "Flyer - Photoshop and InDesign - completed in 3 weeks"
and I tell them to maybe not include that bolded part
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
I think it is due like... Two weeks from now?
I designed it the thing a week ago and printed it the next day
it makes me realise i could be a designer. i would like to.
but i'm really fucking demotivated today
in
yo
pants
at the college I went to, all the assignment timelines were like
Due tomorrow
Due in 3 hours
Due in 30 minutes
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
or i guess i could just read it at work
edit: it's not really all that practical
Most print classes have some tougher time restraints, but they're still usually like a week since stuff like lithography just takes forever
But this screen print class is just so laid back it is ridiculous
so i can finally be comfortable with somethign in my bootty from a company i trust
i'll drink to that
I'm in P-town, Swill. And I still have a puck-mouse. :winky: