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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited April 2011

    Yeah, that guide is 4 years old. They changed the IV inheritance mechanism in HGSS

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    RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Trauma wrote: »
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    Trauma wrote: »
    Flawless? Sure, wanna catch me a flawless Darmanitan, lol?

    Hey, man, choose something that can appear when you use Sweet Scent.

    I thought you were just gonna breed one like you said earlier, I wasn't specifically saying catch one. And shit, I have no idea what's Sweet Scent catchable and what's not. I was just throwing out a poke. If it's a hassle, don't sweat it.

    Ah, right. I was going to breed it later anyway :P I'll post it on the thread when I do it.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    How does RNG breeding work anyway?

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Quick breeding question regarding Ditto. So I have a male of any pokemon that can be bred, and a ditto. The offspring will be the same as the father, correct? For example, a Male totodile and a ditto will produce another totodile, correct?

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    TraumaTrauma Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    Quick breeding question regarding Ditto. So I have a male of any pokemon that can be bred, and a ditto. The offspring will be the same as the father, correct? For example, a Male totodile and a ditto will produce another totodile, correct?

    Yup

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    NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2011
    yes

    males will pass on egg moves and TMs, too

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Trauma wrote: »
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    Quick breeding question regarding Ditto. So I have a male of any pokemon that can be bred, and a ditto. The offspring will be the same as the father, correct? For example, a Male totodile and a ditto will produce another totodile, correct?

    Yup

    Good to know! I spent a good 30 minutes restarting Pokemon Black last night in order to get a female Oshawatt for breeding purposes. The ditto route makes it much easier.

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    Professor HydronProfessor Hydron Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The only change in Gen IV-V breeding mechanic as of HG/SS was the Power Item breeding, it just inherits two additional IVs from either parent randomly. So you could also pass HP IV and a Power Item stat, you just won't be able to pass the former stat with certainty.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The only change in Gen IV-V breeding mechanic as of HG/SS was the Power Item breeding, it just inherits two additional IVs from either parent randomly. So you could also pass HP IV and a Power Item stat, you just won't be able to pass the former stat with certainty.

    The guide you posted describes Emerald/DPPt IV inheritance, where you can have anywhere from 1-3 IVs inherited. HGSS goes back to always having 3 IVs to be inherited in any permutation for the parents, and determines them at the same time, making HP and Def have the same odds of being inherited as any other IVs. The power items just force it into one of the inheritance spreads that has that IV being inherited from that parent.
    http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_breeding#Generation_IV

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    NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2011
    males can pass nature with the everstone now, too

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    males can pass nature with the everstone now, too

    And so, for that matter, can international mons

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Hey, has anyone been to Tubeline Bridge on Friday night?

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    RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Don't forget the dream world musharna in the dream yard today.

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    RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Does anyone have a Jolly synch?

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    ZythonZython Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Rami wrote: »
    Don't forget the dream world musharna in the dream yard today.

    I caught mine, but it's male. :(

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    NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2011
    Zython wrote: »
    Rami wrote: »
    Don't forget the dream world musharna in the dream yard today.

    I caught mine, but it's male. :(

    it's not like telekinesis is all that great

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    Zython wrote: »
    Rami wrote: »
    Don't forget the dream world musharna in the dream yard today.

    I caught mine, but it's male. :(

    it's not like telekinesis is all that great

    Telepathy has its uses if you do a lot of double/triple battles, but yeah.



    So tonight I discovered that wild Mamoswines exist in the shaking grass where you find Kyurem (possibly because it's winter?). Bit of a rough surprise when you're looking for Audinos...

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    NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2011
    Metagrosses, too

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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Ha, 4 wins from the Battle Test, even when the last dude brought out a Thundurus.

    <3 this Blastoise.

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    RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Zython wrote: »
    Rami wrote: »
    Don't forget the dream world musharna in the dream yard today.

    I caught mine, but it's male. :(

    You could have just reset until a female showed up.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    Metagrosses, too

    Yeah, but I've seen them before. Don't recall encountering Big Mama until tonight.


    EDIT: Treasure guy just gave me my sixth Lucky Egg...

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    DrDinosaurDrDinosaur Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    Hey, has anyone been to Tubeline Bridge on Friday night?

    The girl who disappears?

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    RockinX wrote: »
    Does anyone have a Jolly synch?

    Yeah, if you haven't gotten one in the past 3 hours.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    DrDinosaur wrote: »
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    Hey, has anyone been to Tubeline Bridge on Friday night?

    The girl who disappears?

    No, that's Marvelous Bridge. Tubeline connects Iccirrus and Opelucid (via Route 9).

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    glithertglithert Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    There's a musharna in the dream yard today? Can I get it even though I haven't beaten the game yet?

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    Have to beat the game first.

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    florada34florada34 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I should probably quit EV training my ferrothorn and probably get started on post E4.

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    CangoFettCangoFett Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Beat the elite 4 the first time, and im heavily modifying my team

    Snorlax, Heracross, Chandelierghost, Hippowdon, Jolteon, Farfetch'd, Gengar, Dragonite, Arcanine, Magmar, giant polar bear, Throh, Excadrill.... Too many awesome pokemans, cant decide who I want to use!

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    -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I have so many japanese pokemon off the gts now it's starting to feel like I'm playing an import.

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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Screw you, Treasure Dude, I have the lady in Driftveil if I want Heart Scales, why must you make my quest for a Magmarizer harder?

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    RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    -SPI- wrote: »
    I have so many japanese pokemon off the gts now it's starting to feel like I'm playing an import.

    Try the wifi train sometime, it's 99% japanese players.

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    florada34florada34 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Why do I have Cranidos?

    Edit- 3 Cranidos

    Edit #2 - Anyone want a Cranidos?

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    florada34florada34 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'm confused reading the Serebii pokedex stats thingy. When it says max stats, does that include EV training?

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    I have nearly every flavor of ditto except modest. And I'm not sure if I want to just transfer my ditto whorehouse to Black or build a new one from scratch.

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    DrDinosaurDrDinosaur Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Yes, the maximum stat for a level is calculated by assuming a favorable nature, a 31 IV, and 252 EVs. Similarly, the minimum stat is calculated by assuming a negative nature, a 0 IV, and 0 EVs.

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    Professor HydronProfessor Hydron Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Spoit wrote: »
    The only change in Gen IV-V breeding mechanic as of HG/SS was the Power Item breeding, it just inherits two additional IVs from either parent randomly. So you could also pass HP IV and a Power Item stat, you just won't be able to pass the former stat with certainty.

    The guide you posted describes Emerald/DPPt IV inheritance, where you can have anywhere from 1-3 IVs inherited. HGSS goes back to always having 3 IVs to be inherited in any permutation for the parents, and determines them at the same time, making HP and Def have the same odds of being inherited as any other IVs. The power items just force it into one of the inheritance spreads that has that IV being inherited from that parent.
    http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_breeding#Generation_IV

    I thought the guide had been updated for HG/SS. Clearly I was mistaken. That is the only thing that changed that the 4 year old guide doesn't cover.

    OK yes, if you want to mince words. 3 IVs are always inherited from one or both parents. As I said above the Power item one and 2 other randomly determined parent IVs, I did forget to say always.

    Though it's practically sadistic not to do Power Item breeding either way as breeding is already enough of a crap shoot, so in my mind only two are actually of concern as they are random. You can also use a Power Item on the other parent but then nothing is assured and it may take the father's IV or it may take the mother's, then 2 random IVs from one or both.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The whole confusion started when you were saying something about how HP was harder to inherit in the first place, which hasn't been true since DPPt.

    EDIT: ah, I think I interpreted the original question differently. I'd read it as him asking if using the power item would preclude the first "inheritances wave" and make it impossible to get the HP IV if you power itemed a different one, which is why I kept saying that the ratios were even, whereas you were responding about how any stat, including HP, had a chance of either inheriting a parent's IV or getting a random value.

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    RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    ugh, I have to level this thing to 70 to get his final move. And it's in the slow category. That's about 4 E4 runs.

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    florada34florada34 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    DrDinosaur wrote: »
    Yes, the maximum stat for a level is calculated by assuming a favorable nature, a 31 IV, and 252 EVs. Similarly, the minimum stat is calculated by assuming a negative nature, a 0 IV, and 0 EVs.

    Serebii has a chart of max stats with hindering nature, neutral nature and beneficial nature for hp/atk/def/etc. for levels 50 and 100. I can't tell if they include EVs or not.

    However they are given in ranges, signifying what i would assume different IV levels.

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    Jam WarriorJam Warrior Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Anyone able to indulge a spoilerphobe with a couple of quick questions?
    Does Unity Tower actually do anything or is it just a trade log?

    Also any of the new pokes other than Pansage gonna want this Leaf Stone?

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