They didn't wait so that they could give everyone the details of how their shit was stolen, that's insane reasoning.
They waited because they hoped further investigation would somehow prove that nothing was stolen and then they could avoid a PR disaster entirely by just not saying anything about the intrusion.
Yes, it was:
Right Ishihara? Cus he knows a thing or two about bullshit PR.
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Translating Japanese must be hard as shit, because I have never ever ever heard a good on-the-spot translator.
I think it mostly has to do with sentence structure being different enough that you have to wait for them to finish part of the sentence to translate it properly.
Japanese actually relies heavily on the end of the sentence to put a lot of context into the word. If you start translating before they finish, you're pretty much making it up on pure conjecture and could even be proven wrong near the end of what they are saying.
On top of that, there are a lot of words that don't... quite directly translate? Japanese can also be quite ambiguous. Not quite as bad as chinese, but still very 'maybe' 'possibly' 'kind of'.
I kind of wish I could be motivated to get back into it. I spent a good 4 years learning japanese but pretty much let it go to pot over the last 5 years or so because I've had no use for it in the middle of the great white eastcoast.
I remember hearing that Japanese sentences can basically have "not" at the end to negate the meaning. I'm probably just misremembering.
You are remembering right, actually. There are a lot of endings and such that can put sentences into the negative. or make it a question, or generally just toy with the rest of it.
Translating Japanese must be hard as shit, because I have never ever ever heard a good on-the-spot translator.
I think it mostly has to do with sentence structure being different enough that you have to wait for them to finish part of the sentence to translate it properly.
Japanese actually relies heavily on the end of the sentence to put a lot of context into the word. If you start translating before they finish, you're pretty much making it up on pure conjecture and could even be proven wrong near the end of what they are saying.
On top of that, there are a lot of words that don't... quite directly translate? Japanese can also be quite ambiguous. Not quite as bad as chinese, but still very 'maybe' 'possibly' 'kind of'.
I kind of wish I could be motivated to get back into it. I spent a good 4 years learning japanese but pretty much let it go to pot over the last 5 years or so because I've had no use for it in the middle of the great white eastcoast.
Ah, I see. Even in German, a language not too different than English, sentence structure can be really awkward. Things like verbs being moved to the end of the sentence make it difficult to translate on the fly.
Having to remember that kind of information would have been a strain on developers. Sony wanted the process of working on a game to be as easy for them as possible.
Well, the dev network not having a password kind of makes sense? Theoretically it should have only been accessible to PS3s with a devOS, which should have been locked down by a master key.
Of course, once Sony knew the master key had been compromised they probably should have added more security to that particular network. Before that the PS3 was acting as a OTP device of sorts, so I am led to believe.
As for the passwords not being encrypted... Yeah, that's pretty retarded. 'Well, we never thought anyone would look there!' seems to be the only excuse. I guess that'd be pretty embarassing to say aloud, though.
Apparently, a bunch o' mail got sent at Sony to disrupt them.
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So would the PS store being down prevent redeeming codes like with MK9's online shit?
You need to be able to access the PSN to redeem PSN codes, so yes.
You can still use them once the network is back up though.
The store is going up later than the rest of PSN. Is it done through the store or just through PSN?
Restoration of Online game-play across the PlayStation®3 (PS3) and PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) systems -This includes titles requiring online verification and downloaded games
Access to Music Unlimited powered by Qriocity for PS3/PSP for existing subscribers
Access to account management and password reset
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SNEI will continue to reinforce and verify security for transactions before resuming the PlayStation®Store and other Qriocity operations, scheduled for this month.
This is dumb. PSN granted escalated access to the network without authentication simply because developer mode was set on the local machine.
1) What was developer mode even doing inside consumer machines? (Laziness)
2) Why were you not using 3rd party merchant for credit card transactions. (NIH issues with Sony)
3) Why did you place so much trust in the client? Did you honestly think the PS3 was "unhackable"? (Yes)
I am taking more glee than I should watching Sony twist like this. It's actually pretty sad. It took an international breech of security for them to figure out who their customers are. Sony Japan's foreign branches (Europe, America, etc) are just marketing and licensing arms. They are ill equipped to have a dialog with the very people who bought their products.
This is a massive communication failure. I wonder if they are going to fix *that* going forward.
2:36 JST: Q: Was this hack exploiting a known vulnerability, or a new one? A: The one at this time was a known vulnerability, but SNEI management was not aware of it. We're creating an information security officer to improve that. (Sony declined to discuss details of the exploit... it sounds like protections against it aren't in place yet.)
Derpy derp derp derp derp.
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So I guess I missed most of it. I'll have to dig up a transcript if/when one becomes available.
A lot of the questions revolved around how the breached happened and why there weren't measures already in place to deal with them. Sony answered to the effect of "There were breaches, which were dealt with. This particular breach tripped us the fuck up."
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Yes, it was:
Right Ishihara? Cus he knows a thing or two about bullshit PR.
I didn't even realize this
That is the most hilarious back-handed compensation
Bravo Sony, you are the dicks
hahahaha
Japanese actually relies heavily on the end of the sentence to put a lot of context into the word. If you start translating before they finish, you're pretty much making it up on pure conjecture and could even be proven wrong near the end of what they are saying.
On top of that, there are a lot of words that don't... quite directly translate? Japanese can also be quite ambiguous. Not quite as bad as chinese, but still very 'maybe' 'possibly' 'kind of'.
I kind of wish I could be motivated to get back into it. I spent a good 4 years learning japanese but pretty much let it go to pot over the last 5 years or so because I've had no use for it in the middle of the great white eastcoast.
Why did the dev network have no passwords at all?
Breaking news. Sony hints that Anonymous did it. subtly. Very SUBTLE.
You are remembering right, actually. There are a lot of endings and such that can put sentences into the negative. or make it a question, or generally just toy with the rest of it.
Ah, I see. Even in German, a language not too different than English, sentence structure can be really awkward. Things like verbs being moved to the end of the sentence make it difficult to translate on the fly.
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"Why weren't passwords encrypted?"
"The passwords were not encrypted. Next question."
Any elaboration would hurt them so it's probably best for them to leave it at that
Of course, once Sony knew the master key had been compromised they probably should have added more security to that particular network. Before that the PS3 was acting as a OTP device of sorts, so I am led to believe.
As for the passwords not being encrypted... Yeah, that's pretty retarded. 'Well, we never thought anyone would look there!' seems to be the only excuse. I guess that'd be pretty embarassing to say aloud, though.
You need to be able to access the PSN to redeem PSN codes, so yes.
You can still use them once the network is back up though.
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Kinda hard to cancel a PSN account if you can't access the PSN.
The store is going up later than the rest of PSN. Is it done through the store or just through PSN? I guess it should fall under that?
edit: PSN codes are redeemed through the store, so they'll be unusable until the store is up and running.
... Yeah, I'm not buying another PS3 (to replace the one I gave away).
1) What was developer mode even doing inside consumer machines? (Laziness)
2) Why were you not using 3rd party merchant for credit card transactions. (NIH issues with Sony)
3) Why did you place so much trust in the client? Did you honestly think the PS3 was "unhackable"? (Yes)
I take it you've never heard of dongles.
^ this.
Well, the whole point is You Don't Store Passwords EVER. What you do is store the password's salted hash. This one is a definite WTF.
I am taking more glee than I should watching Sony twist like this. It's actually pretty sad. It took an international breech of security for them to figure out who their customers are. Sony Japan's foreign branches (Europe, America, etc) are just marketing and licensing arms. They are ill equipped to have a dialog with the very people who bought their products.
This is a massive communication failure. I wonder if they are going to fix *that* going forward.
Shinji Hasejima added later that that the passwords were hashed.
Edit: No mention of how. Hopefully the designers knew better than MD5 without salt.
That whole presscon was very unsatisfying. I think kaz should have committed harikiri out of shame. That would have made me feel better.
Blood for the blood God!
Well, that was something.
Next week's headline "Kaz Hirai resigns from Sony."
Edit: It may have been the person asking the question that said that. Hard to tell with the translator.
Meanwhile, a PR person silently weeps.
Here's a brief recap:
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