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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited May 2014
    Firefly was basically The Old West In Space.

    If anyone comes swinging at Firefly with tropes criticisms I swear to god I will come after you

    I'm feral like a beast

    EDIT: Sorry, I'm @Feral like a @BEAST!

    because I fucking can

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    how about a show that is sufficiently depressing
    why's everything gotta be so optimistic

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I don't understand why networks time and again invest in expensive high-concept shows without ensuring their format is one that will promote quality.

    "Cop Show in Space/The Future/The Old West/Atlantis" is about the laziest thing you can pitch.

    Cop show in NYC

    Not really the same thing. I was talking about high-concept shows.

    Though I do agree that "cop show" is pretty lazy, but oddly prolific. People love TV cops.

    The Wire is the only cop show anybody needs.

    Cindy has two missions in life

    1) get everyone taking estrogen

    2) get everyone watching the wire

    not necessarily in that order

    I can vouch for this.

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    DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    a fucking insane amount of TV shows are set in Manhattan

    which ok, it's a very interesting place to set a show

    but i wouldn't say there has ever been a shortage of shows/films set there, it feels like half the movies ever made are set there, i cant count the number of times ive seen something wreck the empire state building

    They film on my street a lot

    "BEAST!"'s building is Oscorp in the new Spooderman movies, they just CG'd some forbidding black tower over the Hearst building

    In the first Spooderman, when Peter Parker gets out of the subway and goes WHOA, LOOK AT THAT BUILDING, you can see the reflection of the Hearst Tower in the building behind him

    v funny such oversight

    my building is the evil science company's headquarters in Fringe.
    It's also where Daddy Warbucks works in the new Annie movie.

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I don't understand why networks time and again invest in expensive high-concept shows without ensuring their format is one that will promote quality.

    "Cop Show in Space/The Future/The Old West/Atlantis" is about the laziest thing you can pitch.

    Cop show in NYC

    Not really the same thing. I was talking about high-concept shows.

    Though I do agree that "cop show" is pretty lazy, but oddly prolific. People love TV cops.

    The Wire is the only cop show anybody needs.

    Cindy has two missions in life

    1) get everyone taking estrogen

    2) get everyone watching the wire

    not necessarily in that order

    I don't think cis ladies really need to be taking estrogen.

    fair enough

    but you cannot deny in your ideal world we are all sitting down watching the wire with magnificent boobs

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    i'm not interested in watching non-continuity driven crime procedurals anymore

    when i realized that was what Almost Human was going to be, I bailed

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    NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    I want a cop show where the cops are all cats.

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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    I can't wait till it gets to Prime. I am going to force everyone to watch it.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Firefly was basically The Old West In Space.

    But it wasn't a weekly police procedural in space.

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I don't understand why networks time and again invest in expensive high-concept shows without ensuring their format is one that will promote quality.

    "Cop Show in Space/The Future/The Old West/Atlantis" is about the laziest thing you can pitch.

    Cop show in NYC

    Not really the same thing. I was talking about high-concept shows.

    Though I do agree that "cop show" is pretty lazy, but oddly prolific. People love TV cops.

    The Wire is the only cop show anybody needs.

    Cindy has two missions in life

    1) get everyone taking estrogen

    2) get everyone watching the wire

    not necessarily in that order

    I don't think cis ladies really need to be taking estrogen.

    um is there not estrogen in my birth control pills

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    my workplace gets blown up in a lot of films

    but then i am the president

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    TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    I've made <10 tweets and I've been on twitter for 3 years.
    I fail at social networks.
    Or maybe I succeed.
    I don't even know

    Bless your heart.
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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I don't understand why networks time and again invest in expensive high-concept shows without ensuring their format is one that will promote quality.

    "Cop Show in Space/The Future/The Old West/Atlantis" is about the laziest thing you can pitch.

    Cop show in NYC

    Not really the same thing. I was talking about high-concept shows.

    Though I do agree that "cop show" is pretty lazy, but oddly prolific. People love TV cops.

    The Wire is the only cop show anybody needs.

    Cindy has two missions in life

    1) get everyone taking estrogen

    2) get everyone watching the wire

    not necessarily in that order

    I don't think cis ladies really need to be taking estrogen.

    fair enough

    but you cannot deny in your ideal world we are all sitting down watching the wire with magnificent boobs

    It's just so beautiful.

    Sniff

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    LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »

    Nope that won't end with a depressing twist ending at all. A retro indie game would never do that.

    it is fanneh to me that this is the first thing u jump 2

    Because media is never about overcoming the odds and adversity anymore. It's so god damned grim dark

    There can't just be heros. People can't just defy fate and death and say "fuck you. Everybody lives."

    It's always a god damned message about how the world is shit and life is shit and everything is shit.

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    a fucking insane amount of TV shows are set in Manhattan

    which ok, it's a very interesting place to set a show

    but i wouldn't say there has ever been a shortage of shows/films set there, it feels like half the movies ever made are set there, i cant count the number of times ive seen something wreck the empire state building

    They film on my street a lot

    "BEAST!"'s building is Oscorp in the new Spooderman movies, they just CG'd some forbidding black tower over the Hearst building

    In the first Spooderman, when Peter Parker gets out of the subway and goes WHOA, LOOK AT THAT BUILDING, you can see the reflection of the Hearst Tower in the building behind him

    v funny such oversight

    my building is the evil science company's headquarters in Fringe.
    It's also where Daddy Warbucks works in the new Annie movie.

    I didn't know you worked at Massive Dynamic

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    Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Firefly was basically The Old West In Space.

    Wild West Scifi is a pretty common trope. Firefly is just the most overt about it. A lot of scifi shows borrow thematically from westerns. Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop were very western, they just lacked Nathan Fillion in a duster.

    Plus there was that Clint Eastwood and Tommy Lee Jones movie.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    how about a show that is sufficiently depressing
    why's everything gotta be so optimistic

    The show you're talking about is The Walking Dead.

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I don't understand why networks time and again invest in expensive high-concept shows without ensuring their format is one that will promote quality.

    "Cop Show in Space/The Future/The Old West/Atlantis" is about the laziest thing you can pitch.

    Cop show in NYC

    Not really the same thing. I was talking about high-concept shows.

    Though I do agree that "cop show" is pretty lazy, but oddly prolific. People love TV cops.

    The Wire is the only cop show anybody needs.

    Cindy has two missions in life

    1) get everyone taking estrogen

    2) get everyone watching the wire

    not necessarily in that order

    I don't think cis ladies really need to be taking estrogen.

    fair enough

    but you cannot deny in your ideal world we are all sitting down watching the wire with magnificent boobs

    It's just so beautiful.

    Sniff

    i am the only impediment to this grand plan having done neither

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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I don't understand why networks time and again invest in expensive high-concept shows without ensuring their format is one that will promote quality.

    "Cop Show in Space/The Future/The Old West/Atlantis" is about the laziest thing you can pitch.

    Cop show in NYC

    Not really the same thing. I was talking about high-concept shows.

    Though I do agree that "cop show" is pretty lazy, but oddly prolific. People love TV cops.

    The Wire is the only cop show anybody needs.

    Cindy has two missions in life

    1) get everyone taking estrogen

    2) get everyone watching the wire

    not necessarily in that order

    I don't think cis ladies really need to be taking estrogen.

    um is there not estrogen in my birth control pills

    Touché

    Also menopause now that I think about it.

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Firefly was basically The Old West In Space.

    Wild West Scifi is a pretty common trope. Firefly is just the most overt about it. A lot of scifi shows borrow thematically from westerns. Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop were very western, they just lacked Nathan Fillion in a duster.

    Plus there was that Clint Eastwood and Tommy Lee Jones movie.

    THE FUCK DID I JUST SAY SOLO

    [/hulking initiated]

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Neco wrote: »
    I want a cop show where the cops are all cats.

    Lasercats?

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    how about a show that is sufficiently depressing
    why's everything gotta be so optimistic

    The show you're talking about is The Walking Dead.
    but that has zombies

    pass

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Firefly was basically The Old West In Space.

    Wild West Scifi is a pretty common trope. Firefly is just the most overt about it. A lot of scifi shows borrow thematically from westerns. Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop were very western, they just lacked Nathan Fillion in a duster.

    Plus there was that Clint Eastwood and Tommy Lee Jones movie.

    THE FUCK DID I JUST SAY SOLO

    [/hulking initiated]
    this troper isn't seeing the problem

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    Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Firefly was basically The Old West In Space.

    Wild West Scifi is a pretty common trope. Firefly is just the most overt about it. A lot of scifi shows borrow thematically from westerns. Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop were very western, they just lacked Nathan Fillion in a duster.

    Plus there was that Clint Eastwood and Tommy Lee Jones movie.

    THE FUCK DID I JUST SAY SOLO

    [/hulking initiated]

    It's not a criticism! :(

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Plus that Sean Connery film that was High Noon on a space mining station.

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »

    Nope that won't end with a depressing twist ending at all. A retro indie game would never do that.

    it is fanneh to me that this is the first thing u jump 2

    Because media is never about overcoming the odds and adversity anymore. It's so god damned grim dark

    There can't just be heros. People can't just defy fate and death and say "fuck you. Everybody lives."

    It's always a god damned message about how the world is shit and life is shit and everything is shit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cWnubJ9CEw

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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I don't understand why networks time and again invest in expensive high-concept shows without ensuring their format is one that will promote quality.

    "Cop Show in Space/The Future/The Old West/Atlantis" is about the laziest thing you can pitch.

    Cop show in NYC

    Not really the same thing. I was talking about high-concept shows.

    Though I do agree that "cop show" is pretty lazy, but oddly prolific. People love TV cops.

    The Wire is the only cop show anybody needs.

    Cindy has two missions in life

    1) get everyone taking estrogen

    2) get everyone watching the wire

    not necessarily in that order

    I don't think cis ladies really need to be taking estrogen.

    fair enough

    but you cannot deny in your ideal world we are all sitting down watching the wire with magnificent boobs

    It's just so beautiful.

    Sniff

    i am the only impediment to this grand plan having done neither

    I'm coming to Europe next year. This will be fixed

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
    Neco wrote: »
    I want a cop show where the cops are all cats.

    Lasercats?

    I could solve this murder...but I choose to play with this bottle cap instead.

    Oh and I already know who did it it was me, I killed the victim

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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    I would still like a version of Captain Planet where the villains are not literally cartoonishly evil and the protagonists are not twelve.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »

    Nope that won't end with a depressing twist ending at all. A retro indie game would never do that.

    it is fanneh to me that this is the first thing u jump 2

    Because media is never about overcoming the odds and adversity anymore. It's so god damned grim dark

    There can't just be heros. People can't just defy fate and death and say "fuck you. Everybody lives."

    It's always a god damned message about how the world is shit and life is shit and everything is shit.

    except for like

    almost every single procedural show on tv or any blockbuster film or any young adult fiction or

    i dunno man i think ur extrapolating from just a very small number of well-received shows

    we are literally living in the golden age of superhero films and a revivification of both star trek and star wars

    there is SHIT LOADS of heroic media out there

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I don't understand why networks time and again invest in expensive high-concept shows without ensuring their format is one that will promote quality.

    "Cop Show in Space/The Future/The Old West/Atlantis" is about the laziest thing you can pitch.

    Cop show in NYC

    Not really the same thing. I was talking about high-concept shows.

    Though I do agree that "cop show" is pretty lazy, but oddly prolific. People love TV cops.

    The Wire is the only cop show anybody needs.

    Cindy has two missions in life

    1) get everyone taking estrogen

    2) get everyone watching the wire

    not necessarily in that order

    I don't think cis ladies really need to be taking estrogen.

    fair enough

    but you cannot deny in your ideal world we are all sitting down watching the wire with magnificent boobs

    It's just so beautiful.

    Sniff

    i am the only impediment to this grand plan having done neither

    I'm coming to Europe next year. This will be fixed

    i'm almost scared to ask which one

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    cptruggedcptrugged I think it has something to do with free will. Registered User regular
    I always find it interesting to look at shows that have kinda come and gone and look at why their version of the formula (Cop Procedural, Buddy roomates, wacky family, etc) stood out from all the others. I mean its not like all the shows had such vastly different themes, but they still got wildly popular.

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Firefly was basically The Old West In Space.

    Wild West Scifi is a pretty common trope. Firefly is just the most overt about it. A lot of scifi shows borrow thematically from westerns. Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop were very western, they just lacked Nathan Fillion in a duster.

    Plus there was that Clint Eastwood and Tommy Lee Jones movie.

    THE FUCK DID I JUST SAY SOLO

    [/hulking initiated]

    It's not a criticism! :(

    [/dehulk]

    ok u get a pass just dis once

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    LoserForHireXLoserForHireX Philosopher King The AcademyRegistered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »

    Nope that won't end with a depressing twist ending at all. A retro indie game would never do that.

    it is fanneh to me that this is the first thing u jump 2

    Because media is never about overcoming the odds and adversity anymore. It's so god damned grim dark

    There can't just be heros. People can't just defy fate and death and say "fuck you. Everybody lives."

    It's always a god damned message about how the world is shit and life is shit and everything is shit.

    I can get this.

    There is a general disdain for happy endings these days. I think that our culture just isn't interested in them right now.

    The trick is that it's hard to do people who are heroes the way that you want and yet still give them complex motivations. Or rather, it looks really hard to TV execs.

    "The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
    "We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal
    :angry:

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
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    Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal

    The Firefly fandom is insufferable. No, it's not coming back. No, it would not be any good even if it were brought back. Tough shit.

    That doesn't mean the show itself is bad, though.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Ludious

    can you stop Ludiousing about

    please

    it's too early in the day for your brand of pointless, argumentless cynicism

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal

    'cism

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