i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal
The Firefly fandom is insufferable. No, it's not coming back. No, it would not be any good even if it were brought back. Tough shit.
That doesn't mean the show itself is bad, though.
ascuse me Firefly will come back and I will finally be cast as the space whore I've always known I could be
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal
there are so many of these girls it is the best
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Wild West Scifi is a pretty common trope. Firefly is just the most overt about it. A lot of scifi shows borrow thematically from westerns. Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop were very western, they just lacked Nathan Fillion in a duster.
Plus there was that Clint Eastwood and Tommy Lee Jones movie.
And movies like Outland. Which is quite literally just High Noon in Space.
(still awesome though. Loved Outland)
edit: Bah.. beated to the punch by space star ordering.
Nope that won't end with a depressing twist ending at all. A retro indie game would never do that.
it is fanneh to me that this is the first thing u jump 2
Because media is never about overcoming the odds and adversity anymore. It's so god damned grim dark
There can't just be heros. People can't just defy fate and death and say "fuck you. Everybody lives."
It's always a god damned message about how the world is shit and life is shit and everything is shit.
I can get this.
There is a general disdain for happy endings these days. I think that our culture just isn't interested in them right now.
The trick is that it's hard to do people who are heroes the way that you want and yet still give them complex motivations. Or rather, it looks really hard to TV execs.
This is bullshit, things have happy endings all the god damn time, there's just a cynical confirmation bias going on with the part of both of you here where you're obfuscating the critical acclaim and popularity of a handful of things for the trend of the entirety of entertainment.
i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal
Judging things solely by their fanbase is incredibly lazy, John. I'm disappointed.
Nope that won't end with a depressing twist ending at all. A retro indie game would never do that.
it is fanneh to me that this is the first thing u jump 2
Because media is never about overcoming the odds and adversity anymore. It's so god damned grim dark
There can't just be heros. People can't just defy fate and death and say "fuck you. Everybody lives."
It's always a god damned message about how the world is shit and life is shit and everything is shit.
except for like
almost every single procedural show on tv or any blockbuster film or any young adult fiction or
i dunno man i think ur extrapolating from just a very small number of well-received shows
we are literally living in the golden age of superhero films and a revivification of both star trek and star wars
there is SHIT LOADS of heroic media out there
The procedural shows where beloved characters randomly become serial killers
the procedural show where the bad guy routinely wins on a technicality, or the doctor doesn't find the right cure in time?
The young adult fiction where children kill each other and it's all shit and nobody really wins in the end..the bread and circuses just go right on
The young adult fiction where anyone who thinks outside the box and doesn't fit in a mold is in mortal danger
The young adult fiction about an abusive boyfriend who's creepy thousand year old vampire but is really in love with a teenage girl?
The Blockbuster film where the moral of the story is that, yes your government is rotten to the core and the only solution is to blow up everything
Oh oh, or maybe you mean the superhero movie where the superhero is left with the choice between saving the world and snapping a man's neck
i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal
Judging things solely by their fanbase is incredibly lazy, John. I'm disappointed.
i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal
Judging things solely by their fanbase is incredibly lazy, John. I'm disappointed.
It's also okay to look at something based purely on the marketing material, trailers, and the other ways something is officially presenting itself to you and go "Nah, this doesn't seem like something I'd be interested in" and take a pass on it. That's totally fair. After all, getting you interested in it is marketing's job and if they're not doing it then either that thing wasn't for you in the first place or they failed at their job.
It's not okay to hate something you have no experience with and have never watched/read/listened to/played or otherwise experienced. You don't know what you are talking about. It's especially not okay to hate that something because you find the fanbase of that thing obnoxious. It is okay to hate the fanbase if the fanbase is obnoxious, but you have to be able to separate what your real gripe is here.
And if the fans themselves are enough to turn you off from something that you're unwilling to entertain it because you don't want to associate yourself with them, that's really unfortunate but I can sorta see where you are coming from. That said though, that's not some virtue you should be proud of, nor is it some completely logical position to take. It's an emotional gut reaction, a speedbump you're unwilling to step over to try new things, and you should really see it as such.
i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal
The Firefly fandom is insufferable. No, it's not coming back. No, it would not be any good even if it were brought back. Tough shit.
That doesn't mean the show itself is bad, though.
Yeah.
Like, Serenity was kiiiiinnnd of a bad movie. I wish it got a fair shot on TV at the time, but it's over now! Cherish what you got and move on.
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i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal
Judging things solely by their fanbase is incredibly lazy, John. I'm disappointed.
damn you just gonna put my name on the street?
"Your name isn't John, though," she said knowingly.
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the necessary subtitles will be offputting to american or english audiences
Test it on the anime audiences first, they get mad if you DON'T have subtitles.
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to expand on endings a little:
there has actually been a dramatic widening of what constitutes a "happy ending"
while films have become dramatically more formulaic in structure, the films are now allowing more commonly a modicum of confusion and sacrifice during the course of the film - this is partly due to the infamous screenwriting book
this is an excellent thing. we are seeing a general broadening of tone, and moreover both the desire and ability to have more interesting combinations and mixtures of tone. going from the triumphalism of something like the avengers to the slightly more nuanced ending of cap 2, even if staying just within the genre of superhero movies. there are very very few popular films that actually have FUCK YOU endings
even breaking bad, which is a tragedy, avoids a full on fuck you ending. probably the closest thing to fuck you television is game of thrones, and even that is trying to avoid a relentlessly bleak and yawnsome emotional gamut
im down wiv it
it would be hard to argue that the star wars trilogy didnt have a happy ending, and yet remember empire...
i hold a really unfair bias against shows like dr who, firefly and buffy that are beloved by 15 year old american girls who love the united kingdom and livejournal
The Firefly fandom is insufferable. No, it's not coming back. No, it would not be any good even if it were brought back. Tough shit.
That doesn't mean the show itself is bad, though.
Yeah.
Like, Serenity was kiiiiinnnd of a bad movie. I wish it got a fair shot on TV at the time, but it's over now! Cherish what you got and move on.
In the Firefly reboot, there will be a solid episode where Inara is waiting for the results of her space herpes test
but then Jayne comes down with the space herpes and Mal gets mad that Inara and Jayne were having sexies
but then it turns out that everyone is positive for space herpes
i've got ideas, man
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
Nope that won't end with a depressing twist ending at all. A retro indie game would never do that.
it is fanneh to me that this is the first thing u jump 2
Because media is never about overcoming the odds and adversity anymore. It's so god damned grim dark
There can't just be heros. People can't just defy fate and death and say "fuck you. Everybody lives."
It's always a god damned message about how the world is shit and life is shit and everything is shit.
except for like
almost every single procedural show on tv or any blockbuster film or any young adult fiction or
i dunno man i think ur extrapolating from just a very small number of well-received shows
we are literally living in the golden age of superhero films and a revivification of both star trek and star wars
there is SHIT LOADS of heroic media out there
The procedural shows where beloved characters randomly become serial killers
the procedural show where the bad guy routinely wins on a technicality, or the doctor doesn't find the right cure in time?
The young adult fiction where children kill each other and it's all shit and nobody really wins in the end..the bread and circuses just go right on
The young adult fiction where anyone who thinks outside the box and doesn't fit in a mold is in mortal danger
The young adult fiction about an abusive boyfriend who's creepy thousand year old vampire but is really in love with a teenage girl?
The Blockbuster film where the moral of the story is that, yes your government is rotten to the core and the only solution is to blow up everything
Oh oh, or maybe you mean the superhero movie where the superhero is left with the choice between saving the world and snapping a man's neck
holy shit lol
yeah at this point im gonna say the problem u have is that u fucking hate any story that isnt saccharine as shit, and u r misinterpreting ur personal dislike of stories with any element of adversity or injustice with some collective problem of the world
i have a lot of reasons to not watch any of those shows besides their gushing, anglophilic, livejournal-icons-with-poorly-paint-shop-pro'd-because-they-couldn't-afford-photoshop-sparkly-hearts-making teen fanbase. mostly that i just don't really take on much new television these days, since there are already a bunch of current programs i follow. shit has to be super well liked but multiple people whose taste i typically enjoy. i also don't really look forward to the idea of marathons of seasons like i did when i was younger. my goddamned ass will hurt, being in this chair for that long.
but anyway the point is i did not expect to be RealNameI'mDisappointedInYou condemned because of some campy tv shows
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there are so many of these girls it is the best
And movies like Outland. Which is quite literally just High Noon in Space.
(still awesome though. Loved Outland)
edit: Bah.. beated to the punch by space star ordering.
so make a new show that isn't buffy-like you mean
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This is bullshit, things have happy endings all the god damn time, there's just a cynical confirmation bias going on with the part of both of you here where you're obfuscating the critical acclaim and popularity of a handful of things for the trend of the entirety of entertainment.
Give it a rest.
ehhhh
i say this as a fan of the show
it had its run
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Judging things solely by their fanbase is incredibly lazy, John. I'm disappointed.
whatevs
On the other hand, giving money to Adam Baldwin...
The procedural shows where beloved characters randomly become serial killers
the procedural show where the bad guy routinely wins on a technicality, or the doctor doesn't find the right cure in time?
The young adult fiction where children kill each other and it's all shit and nobody really wins in the end..the bread and circuses just go right on
The young adult fiction where anyone who thinks outside the box and doesn't fit in a mold is in mortal danger
The young adult fiction about an abusive boyfriend who's creepy thousand year old vampire but is really in love with a teenage girl?
The Blockbuster film where the moral of the story is that, yes your government is rotten to the core and the only solution is to blow up everything
Oh oh, or maybe you mean the superhero movie where the superhero is left with the choice between saving the world and snapping a man's neck
He knows he's being unfair
he was ruined by an anglophile
I know the whole sordid history
Very tragic, such traumatic
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I actually didn't like much beyond the third season...
wait, what?
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the necessary subtitles will be offputting to american or english audiences
You've gotta leave time for the cuddling
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damn you just gonna put my name on the street?
MY NAME IS MY NAME
Test it on the anime audiences first, they get mad if you DON'T have subtitles.
buffy is one of those shows where it spawned a spin off better than the original show
Angel was p great
buffy was a solid show but it was a product of the 90's through and through
i don't see how the concept would work today
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It's also okay to look at something based purely on the marketing material, trailers, and the other ways something is officially presenting itself to you and go "Nah, this doesn't seem like something I'd be interested in" and take a pass on it. That's totally fair. After all, getting you interested in it is marketing's job and if they're not doing it then either that thing wasn't for you in the first place or they failed at their job.
It's not okay to hate something you have no experience with and have never watched/read/listened to/played or otherwise experienced. You don't know what you are talking about. It's especially not okay to hate that something because you find the fanbase of that thing obnoxious. It is okay to hate the fanbase if the fanbase is obnoxious, but you have to be able to separate what your real gripe is here.
And if the fans themselves are enough to turn you off from something that you're unwilling to entertain it because you don't want to associate yourself with them, that's really unfortunate but I can sorta see where you are coming from. That said though, that's not some virtue you should be proud of, nor is it some completely logical position to take. It's an emotional gut reaction, a speedbump you're unwilling to step over to try new things, and you should really see it as such.
Yeah.
Like, Serenity was kiiiiinnnd of a bad movie. I wish it got a fair shot on TV at the time, but it's over now! Cherish what you got and move on.
"Your name isn't John, though," she said knowingly.
there has actually been a dramatic widening of what constitutes a "happy ending"
while films have become dramatically more formulaic in structure, the films are now allowing more commonly a modicum of confusion and sacrifice during the course of the film - this is partly due to the infamous screenwriting book
this is an excellent thing. we are seeing a general broadening of tone, and moreover both the desire and ability to have more interesting combinations and mixtures of tone. going from the triumphalism of something like the avengers to the slightly more nuanced ending of cap 2, even if staying just within the genre of superhero movies. there are very very few popular films that actually have FUCK YOU endings
even breaking bad, which is a tragedy, avoids a full on fuck you ending. probably the closest thing to fuck you television is game of thrones, and even that is trying to avoid a relentlessly bleak and yawnsome emotional gamut
im down wiv it
it would be hard to argue that the star wars trilogy didnt have a happy ending, and yet remember empire...
that river chick was the worst part of the show no don't make the movie about her
Angel was WAY better, but it would be weird to bring that show back now. David Boreanaz aged too much.
In the Firefly reboot, there will be a solid episode where Inara is waiting for the results of her space herpes test
but then Jayne comes down with the space herpes and Mal gets mad that Inara and Jayne were having sexies
but then it turns out that everyone is positive for space herpes
i've got ideas, man
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holy shit lol
yeah at this point im gonna say the problem u have is that u fucking hate any story that isnt saccharine as shit, and u r misinterpreting ur personal dislike of stories with any element of adversity or injustice with some collective problem of the world
sort it out broski
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but anyway the point is i did not expect to be RealNameI'mDisappointedInYou condemned because of some campy tv shows