So I'm just going to lay out my season review here:
This season got real tiring real fast with the Prometheus storyline. The show has reached into the "Oliver doubts himself" barrel too often, and this was it's most annoying and bizarrely themed adventure with it.
The problem was essentially the central premise - when your villain murders a fuckton of people on screen, then having him pontificate continuously about how Oliver is a killer just isn't that interesting. And what's more, makes Oliver not just fucking killing him, at the numerous points he could have done so, really god damn stupid.
But that's your theme, it's not a bad theme for a superhero show, and it's kind of necessary. But if you're going to run with it, then you need to actually have it validated - there's needs to be a catharsis where it's actually justified. The finale set it up pretty well actually - Oliver declaring he absolutely wasn't going to kill Chase worked in the context of the dead man's switch where Oliver didn't know about it yet - since then the hero's morality has a point (and a decent one - you can't take the murder back).
But then they go and undermine it, as they have done repeatedly this season, by not having that have any advantage whatsoever to the hero (and also, again, powering that primarily with stupidity - how the fuck does Chase have a gun still?). So in the finale of the season, you totally undermine your primary theme.
And all of this becomes a real problem when you have villain's who won't shut the fuck up, but don't really feel like they earn their victories. If you're not going to have a give and take in fortunes in the plot, then the villain better have something interesting to say or the heroes better be a lot more willing to call him on his BS.
EDIT: Basically, the whole season said "Oliver is a killer" while making a really good argument that Oliver should just kill everyone, or let Slade do it.
Whatsername's breathtaking hypocrisy undermines it even further, because she represents a person who fervently ascribes to the ideal central to the conflict (or thinks Ollie should), and just acts completely, absurdly, counter to it every step of the way.
Prometheus is at least ok with doing what he does, and he isn't judging Ollie for being like him. He just wants to be right, and he wants to win. "You're a killer, just like me! Confess! (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)"
She is all "You're a killer, just like the guy to whom I am 100% devoted, and in whose schemes, which involve probably murdering children, I am fully complicit!
There is everything wrong with that!"
She has to be the most ridiculous character in the CW-verse. What are they even doing with her? (Fingers crossed that no one remembered to rescue her)
So I'm just going to lay out my season review here:
This season got real tiring real fast with the Prometheus storyline. The show has reached into the "Oliver doubts himself" barrel too often, and this was it's most annoying and bizarrely themed adventure with it.
The problem was essentially the central premise - when your villain murders a fuckton of people on screen, then having him pontificate continuously about how Oliver is a killer just isn't that interesting. And what's more, makes Oliver not just fucking killing him, at the numerous points he could have done so, really god damn stupid.
But that's your theme, it's not a bad theme for a superhero show, and it's kind of necessary. But if you're going to run with it, then you need to actually have it validated - there's needs to be a catharsis where it's actually justified. The finale set it up pretty well actually - Oliver declaring he absolutely wasn't going to kill Chase worked in the context of the dead man's switch where Oliver didn't know about it yet - since then the hero's morality has a point (and a decent one - you can't take the murder back).
But then they go and undermine it, as they have done repeatedly this season, by not having that have any advantage whatsoever to the hero (and also, again, powering that primarily with stupidity - how the fuck does Chase have a gun still?). So in the finale of the season, you totally undermine your primary theme.
And all of this becomes a real problem when you have villain's who won't shut the fuck up, but don't really feel like they earn their victories. If you're not going to have a give and take in fortunes in the plot, then the villain better have something interesting to say or the heroes better be a lot more willing to call him on his BS.
EDIT: Basically, the whole season said "Oliver is a killer" while making a really good argument that Oliver should just kill everyone, or let Slade do it.
Whatsername's breathtaking hypocrisy undermines it even further, because she represents a person who fervently ascribes to the ideal central to the conflict (or thinks Ollie should), and just acts completely, absurdly, counter to it every step of the way.
Prometheus is at least ok with doing what he does, and he isn't judging Ollie for being like him. He just wants to be right, and he wants to win. "You're a killer, just like me! Confess! (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)"
She is all "You're a killer, just like the guy to whom I am 100% devoted, and in whose schemes, which involve probably murdering children, I am fully complicit!
There is everything wrong with that!"
She has to be the most ridiculous character in the CW-verse. What are they even doing with her? (Fingers crossed that no one remembered to rescue her)
At first I thought you were talking about
Felicity, because she's been really bad the last couple seasons, but then I realized you meant Evelyn.
So I'm just going to lay out my season review here:
This season got real tiring real fast with the Prometheus storyline. The show has reached into the "Oliver doubts himself" barrel too often, and this was it's most annoying and bizarrely themed adventure with it.
The problem was essentially the central premise - when your villain murders a fuckton of people on screen, then having him pontificate continuously about how Oliver is a killer just isn't that interesting. And what's more, makes Oliver not just fucking killing him, at the numerous points he could have done so, really god damn stupid.
But that's your theme, it's not a bad theme for a superhero show, and it's kind of necessary. But if you're going to run with it, then you need to actually have it validated - there's needs to be a catharsis where it's actually justified. The finale set it up pretty well actually - Oliver declaring he absolutely wasn't going to kill Chase worked in the context of the dead man's switch where Oliver didn't know about it yet - since then the hero's morality has a point (and a decent one - you can't take the murder back).
But then they go and undermine it, as they have done repeatedly this season, by not having that have any advantage whatsoever to the hero (and also, again, powering that primarily with stupidity - how the fuck does Chase have a gun still?). So in the finale of the season, you totally undermine your primary theme.
And all of this becomes a real problem when you have villain's who won't shut the fuck up, but don't really feel like they earn their victories. If you're not going to have a give and take in fortunes in the plot, then the villain better have something interesting to say or the heroes better be a lot more willing to call him on his BS.
EDIT: Basically, the whole season said "Oliver is a killer" while making a really good argument that Oliver should just kill everyone, or let Slade do it.
Whatsername's breathtaking hypocrisy undermines it even further, because she represents a person who fervently ascribes to the ideal central to the conflict (or thinks Ollie should), and just acts completely, absurdly, counter to it every step of the way.
Prometheus is at least ok with doing what he does, and he isn't judging Ollie for being like him. He just wants to be right, and he wants to win. "You're a killer, just like me! Confess! (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)"
She is all "You're a killer, just like the guy to whom I am 100% devoted, and in whose schemes, which involve probably murdering children, I am fully complicit!
There is everything wrong with that!"
She has to be the most ridiculous character in the CW-verse. What are they even doing with her? (Fingers crossed that no one remembered to rescue her)
Whatsername's breathtaking hypocrisy undermines it even further, because she represents a person who fervently ascribes to the ideal central to the conflict (or thinks Ollie should), and just acts completely, absurdly, counter to it every step of the way.
Prometheus is at least ok with doing what he does, and he isn't judging Ollie for being like him. He just wants to be right, and he wants to win. "You're a killer, just like me! Confess! (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)"
She is all "You're a killer, just like the guy to whom I am 100% devoted, and in whose schemes, which involve probably murdering children, I am fully complicit!
There is everything wrong with that!"
She has to be the most ridiculous character in the CW-verse. What are they even doing with her? (Fingers crossed that no one remembered to rescue her)
Re: Evelyn: I think I said this over in SE++, but it really feels like
the show just totally stopped writing her as an actual character as soon as they revealed she was a bad guy. She makes no sense and there has been almost no effort made to explain her motivation in a way is coherent with her current activities and even general demeanor.
she's young and impressionable and had her minded warped by Prometheus' and did the slow/small buy-in but now she's gotten to the point that she's bought in too far now
Whatsername's breathtaking hypocrisy undermines it even further, because she represents a person who fervently ascribes to the ideal central to the conflict (or thinks Ollie should), and just acts completely, absurdly, counter to it every step of the way.
Prometheus is at least ok with doing what he does, and he isn't judging Ollie for being like him. He just wants to be right, and he wants to win. "You're a killer, just like me! Confess! (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)"
She is all "You're a killer, just like the guy to whom I am 100% devoted, and in whose schemes, which involve probably murdering children, I am fully complicit!
There is everything wrong with that!"
She has to be the most ridiculous character in the CW-verse. What are they even doing with her? (Fingers crossed that no one remembered to rescue her)
Re: Evelyn: I think I said this over in SE++, but it really feels like
the show just totally stopped writing her as an actual character as soon as they revealed she was a bad guy. She makes no sense and there has been almost no effort made to explain her motivation in a way is coherent with her current activities and even general demeanor.
Well, the problem is that you're spelling her name wrong.
It's actually spelled Evil Lynn.
And when you've got that as a name in a comic book setting... Well, there's only so many career paths open to you.
she's young and impressionable and had her minded warped by Prometheus' and did the slow/small buy-in but now she's gotten to the point that she's bought in too far now
I think it might be possible
that she was always Prometheus' mole from day one, not suddenly turned later on the reveal of the original Arrow identity.
Whatsername's breathtaking hypocrisy undermines it even further, because she represents a person who fervently ascribes to the ideal central to the conflict (or thinks Ollie should), and just acts completely, absurdly, counter to it every step of the way.
Prometheus is at least ok with doing what he does, and he isn't judging Ollie for being like him. He just wants to be right, and he wants to win. "You're a killer, just like me! Confess! (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)"
She is all "You're a killer, just like the guy to whom I am 100% devoted, and in whose schemes, which involve probably murdering children, I am fully complicit!
There is everything wrong with that!"
She has to be the most ridiculous character in the CW-verse. What are they even doing with her? (Fingers crossed that no one remembered to rescue her)
Re: Evelyn: I think I said this over in SE++, but it really feels like
the show just totally stopped writing her as an actual character as soon as they revealed she was a bad guy. She makes no sense and there has been almost no effort made to explain her motivation in a way is coherent with her current activities and even general demeanor.
Well, the problem is that you're spelling her name wrong.
It's actually spelled Evil Lynn.
And when you've got that as a name in a comic book setting... Well, there's only so many career paths open to you.
Whatsername's breathtaking hypocrisy undermines it even further, because she represents a person who fervently ascribes to the ideal central to the conflict (or thinks Ollie should), and just acts completely, absurdly, counter to it every step of the way.
Prometheus is at least ok with doing what he does, and he isn't judging Ollie for being like him. He just wants to be right, and he wants to win. "You're a killer, just like me! Confess! (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)"
She is all "You're a killer, just like the guy to whom I am 100% devoted, and in whose schemes, which involve probably murdering children, I am fully complicit!
There is everything wrong with that!"
She has to be the most ridiculous character in the CW-verse. What are they even doing with her? (Fingers crossed that no one remembered to rescue her)
Re: Evelyn: I think I said this over in SE++, but it really feels like
the show just totally stopped writing her as an actual character as soon as they revealed she was a bad guy. She makes no sense and there has been almost no effort made to explain her motivation in a way is coherent with her current activities and even general demeanor.
Well, the problem is that you're spelling her name wrong.
It's actually spelled Evil Lynn.
And when you've got that as a name in a comic book setting... Well, there's only so many career paths open to you.
Now I want an Arrow/He-Man crossover.
Thanks.
Could be worse. In the Flash thread someone mentioned wanting to see Thrawne as the big bad guy at the end of the series.
That just made me want a Star Wars/Flash crossover. A blue alien that's a tactical genius and a time traveling evil speedster? Sure, sign me up.
Whatsername's breathtaking hypocrisy undermines it even further, because she represents a person who fervently ascribes to the ideal central to the conflict (or thinks Ollie should), and just acts completely, absurdly, counter to it every step of the way.
Prometheus is at least ok with doing what he does, and he isn't judging Ollie for being like him. He just wants to be right, and he wants to win. "You're a killer, just like me! Confess! (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)"
She is all "You're a killer, just like the guy to whom I am 100% devoted, and in whose schemes, which involve probably murdering children, I am fully complicit!
There is everything wrong with that!"
She has to be the most ridiculous character in the CW-verse. What are they even doing with her? (Fingers crossed that no one remembered to rescue her)
Re: Evelyn: I think I said this over in SE++, but it really feels like
the show just totally stopped writing her as an actual character as soon as they revealed she was a bad guy. She makes no sense and there has been almost no effort made to explain her motivation in a way is coherent with her current activities and even general demeanor.
Well, the problem is that you're spelling her name wrong.
It's actually spelled Evil Lynn.
And when you've got that as a name in a comic book setting... Well, there's only so many career paths open to you.
Now I want an Arrow/He-Man crossover.
Thanks.
Could be worse. In the Flash thread someone mentioned wanting to see Thrawne as the big bad guy at the end of the series.
That just made me want a Star Wars/Flash crossover. A blue alien that's a tactical genius and a time traveling evil speedster? Sure, sign me up.
Fans of Michael Emerson‘s turns on Person of Interest, Lost and/or The Practice may get a hint — but only a hint — of his previous TV work when he arrives to make mayhem on The CW’s Arrow this fall.
As trumpeted at the San Diego Comic-Con last month, Emerson is set to recur during Season 6 (premiering Thursday, Oct. 12 at 9/8c) in an undisclosed mystery role. During TVLine’s Fall Preview Q&A with co-showrunner Wendy Mericle, it was confirmed that Emerson will be playing one of at least two main threats to Oliver Queen, another being Fringe alum Kirk Acevedo’s Ricardo Diaz (who is inspired by DC Comics’ Richard Dragon).
“This character that we’re having [Michael] play is somewhat similar to people has has played in the past,” Mericle shared. “But we had many conversations with him about how to make it different, and what elements we could bring to the character to change it up.”
On The Practice (where future Arrow co-showrunner Marc Guggenheim first met the actor), Emerson won his first Emmy Award for guest-starring as serial killer William Hinks. It was during Season 2 of Lost that he debuted as enigmatic puppet master Benjamin Linus, while on Person of Interest he starred as the extreeeeemly computer-savvy (Cayden James-like?) Harold Finch.
Whatever Emerson is now up to on Arrow, the bosses are loving what they’re seeing. “He is a dream to work with, and I think he’s doing an amazing job,” raves Mericle. “We’ve seen some dailies of some of his episodes and he’s just fantastic. He’s a really understated, subtle actor, and that brings a different energy on set. It’s great.”
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Hey all! I've been watching Arrow (S4) and Flash (S2) during my workouts on the elliptical bike. Since I want to get in 45 minutes a day, both shows get me 41 minutes through the workout EZPZ. So I've got some questions for you:
S3 of Arrow and S1 of Flash had a lot of flip-flop episode stuff going on instead of Arrow, Flash, Arrow. I found a site that chronicled the episode orders and it looks like this set of seasons only has 1 flip-flop. Why do they do this? Does it get worse later on or more subdued like this season?
Since I'm watching on Netflix, I've seen a "recommended for you" show called Legends of Tomorrow. The thumbnail had some very familiar faces (Ray Palmer) and I'm guessing it's a Justice League type show with the B-Roll heroes? I'm assuming I should watch this as well since it falls in the Arrowverse. When does it start in coordination of the other two shows? Does it interweave or am I fine watching it straight through? I don't mind going A-F-L but would like to know ahead of time.
Where does Supergirl fit into all this? I watched a few episodes and it didn't catch on with me. Maybe 4 or so. Her working with her sis on a military base seemed boring. Some big bad (her Uncle?) got involved? I've heard good things though, so should I give it another chance? Isn't there a cross-over with Flash?
Am I missing anything else? Is it these 4 shows? I hope so, I'm still trying to catch up on the Defender's stuff (halfway through Jessica Jones).
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Flash and Arrow just interact whenever they feel like it.
Legends of Tomorrow starts up at Arrow and Flash's midpoint in S4 and S2, respectively. You'll know because big chunks of Arrow and Flash's respective seasons deal with those characters leaving those shows. S1 of LoT is eminently skippable though, unless you're a sadist big fan of the characters themselves. The story/plot is pretty bad. Way better in S2 though.
Supergirl is entirely self-sufficient in it's first season, but there is an episode where The Flash shows up. There's little-to-no reference to it after it happens, and it's never acknowledged in The Flash's show for the rest of that season. Season 2 of Supergirl doesn't interact much with the Arrow-verse as a show, but the character does go over and have some appearances in The Big Crossover (all four shows) and a smaller one with just The Flash.
Airing order as of last season was (Monday) Supergirl S2- (Tuesday) The Flash S3- (Wednesday) Arrow S5- (Thursday) Legends of Tomorrow S2, including The Big Crossover which was at about episode 8 for all of them. This will be changing for the upcoming season.
There's a new show coming in January called Black Lightning, but supposedly will not be interacting with any of the other Arrow-verse shows.
Flash and Arrow just interact whenever they feel like it.
Legends of Tomorrow starts up at Arrow and Flash's midpoint in S4 and S2, respectively. You'll know because big chunks of Arrow and Flash's respective seasons deal with those characters leaving those shows. S1 of LoT is eminently skippable though, unless you're a sadist big fan of the characters themselves. The story/plot is pretty bad. Way better in S2 though.
Supergirl is entirely self-sufficient in it's first season, but there is an episode where The Flash shows up. There's little-to-no reference to it after it happens, and it's never acknowledged in The Flash's show for the rest of that season. Season 2 of Supergirl doesn't interact much with the Arrow-verse as a show, but the character does go over and have some appearances in The Big Crossover (all four shows) and a smaller one with just The Flash.
Airing order as of last season was (Monday) Supergirl S2- (Tuesday) The Flash S3- (Wednesday) Arrow S5- (Thursday) Legends of Tomorrow S2, including The Big Crossover which was at about episode 8 for all of them. This will be changing for the upcoming season.
There's a new show coming in January called Black Lightning, but supposedly will not be interacting with any of the other Arrow-verse shows.
Constantine has been retconned into being Arrow-verse, as well.
On the eve of his return to Teen Wolf, Colton Haynes dropped a not-so-subtle hint that he could soon be reprising yet another small-screen role.
“Roy’s coming back very soon,” the actor responded Saturday to a fan who tweeted about how much she misses Haynes’ character on Arrow. For those keeping track, Roy Harper — also known as the red-hooded Arsenal — hasn’t been seen in Star City since the Season 4 episode “Unchained”; the CW drama’s sixth season premieres Thursday, Oct. 12 at 9/8c.
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On the eve of his return to Teen Wolf, Colton Haynes dropped a not-so-subtle hint that he could soon be reprising yet another small-screen role.
“Roy’s coming back very soon,” the actor responded Saturday to a fan who tweeted about how much she misses Haynes’ character on Arrow. For those keeping track, Roy Harper — also known as the red-hooded Arsenal — hasn’t been seen in Star City since the Season 4 episode “Unchained”; the CW drama’s sixth season premieres Thursday, Oct. 12 at 9/8c.
That's when they're going to reveal his character on Teen Wolf and Arrow are the same person!
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On the eve of his return to Teen Wolf, Colton Haynes dropped a not-so-subtle hint that he could soon be reprising yet another small-screen role.
“Roy’s coming back very soon,” the actor responded Saturday to a fan who tweeted about how much she misses Haynes’ character on Arrow. For those keeping track, Roy Harper — also known as the red-hooded Arsenal — hasn’t been seen in Star City since the Season 4 episode “Unchained”; the CW drama’s sixth season premieres Thursday, Oct. 12 at 9/8c.
That's when they're going to reveal his character on Teen Wolf and Arrow are the same person!
Now that you mention it, the Arrow verse has been woefully short on werewolves.
I mean, psychic apes? Check. Humanoid shark monsters? Check. Werewolves? We're still waiting.
I was hoping they'd actually take a bunch of photos of Oliver as The Flash/The Atom/Firestorm/Black Canary (Just borrow all the costumes from their owners), then leak those to the media as well.
They could muddy the waters and turn it into an obvious attempt to undermine the mayor at the same time.
Did this latest episode improve at all over the season premiere? Because the premiere was such a dull reshuffle of past plot points that I might be done with this show.
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Did this latest episode improve at all over the season premiere? Because the premiere was such a dull reshuffle of past plot points that I might be done with this show.
Yes, but (at least for now) there is a Big Secret that will surely have Consequences. The upside is that it's not Oliver keeping something from everyone.
It's Diggle and his arm/hand with a degenerative nerve disorder from the shrapnel he took on Lian Yu.
Did this latest episode improve at all over the season premiere? Because the premiere was such a dull reshuffle of past plot points that I might be done with this show.
I really can't tell, the team dynamic they tried to setup is just bizzare and it's not the same show anymore. (and not just because of no flashbacks)
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Or swim out to sea and tread water for the ten to fifteen minutes needed for things to resolve themselves.
Otherwise, they're doomed.
Prometheus is at least ok with doing what he does, and he isn't judging Ollie for being like him. He just wants to be right, and he wants to win. "You're a killer, just like me! Confess! (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)"
She is all "You're a killer, just like the guy to whom I am 100% devoted, and in whose schemes, which involve probably murdering children, I am fully complicit!
There is everything wrong with that!"
She has to be the most ridiculous character in the CW-verse. What are they even doing with her? (Fingers crossed that no one remembered to rescue her)
But his emails...
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it's that girl that had a total of like 3 lines, which all accused oliver of being a serial killer (which... to be fair)
Re: Evelyn: I think I said this over in SE++, but it really feels like
Well, the problem is that you're spelling her name wrong.
It's actually spelled Evil Lynn.
And when you've got that as a name in a comic book setting... Well, there's only so many career paths open to you.
10 steps ahead and all that.
Now I want an Arrow/He-Man crossover.
Thanks.
Could be worse. In the Flash thread someone mentioned wanting to see Thrawne as the big bad guy at the end of the series.
That just made me want a Star Wars/Flash crossover. A blue alien that's a tactical genius and a time traveling evil speedster? Sure, sign me up.
That's a lot of work for a typo...
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S3 of Arrow and S1 of Flash had a lot of flip-flop episode stuff going on instead of Arrow, Flash, Arrow. I found a site that chronicled the episode orders and it looks like this set of seasons only has 1 flip-flop. Why do they do this? Does it get worse later on or more subdued like this season?
Since I'm watching on Netflix, I've seen a "recommended for you" show called Legends of Tomorrow. The thumbnail had some very familiar faces (Ray Palmer) and I'm guessing it's a Justice League type show with the B-Roll heroes? I'm assuming I should watch this as well since it falls in the Arrowverse. When does it start in coordination of the other two shows? Does it interweave or am I fine watching it straight through? I don't mind going A-F-L but would like to know ahead of time.
Where does Supergirl fit into all this? I watched a few episodes and it didn't catch on with me. Maybe 4 or so. Her working with her sis on a military base seemed boring. Some big bad (her Uncle?) got involved? I've heard good things though, so should I give it another chance? Isn't there a cross-over with Flash?
Am I missing anything else? Is it these 4 shows? I hope so, I'm still trying to catch up on the Defender's stuff (halfway through Jessica Jones).
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Legends of Tomorrow starts up at Arrow and Flash's midpoint in S4 and S2, respectively. You'll know because big chunks of Arrow and Flash's respective seasons deal with those characters leaving those shows. S1 of LoT is eminently skippable though, unless you're a sadist big fan of the characters themselves. The story/plot is pretty bad. Way better in S2 though.
Supergirl is entirely self-sufficient in it's first season, but there is an episode where The Flash shows up. There's little-to-no reference to it after it happens, and it's never acknowledged in The Flash's show for the rest of that season. Season 2 of Supergirl doesn't interact much with the Arrow-verse as a show, but the character does go over and have some appearances in The Big Crossover (all four shows) and a smaller one with just The Flash.
Airing order as of last season was (Monday) Supergirl S2- (Tuesday) The Flash S3- (Wednesday) Arrow S5- (Thursday) Legends of Tomorrow S2, including The Big Crossover which was at about episode 8 for all of them. This will be changing for the upcoming season.
There's a new show coming in January called Black Lightning, but supposedly will not be interacting with any of the other Arrow-verse shows.
Constantine has been retconned into being Arrow-verse, as well.
https://flash-arrow-order.herokuapp.com
Unless the question is, "How much of one show can I binge before needing to watch another?" to which this is the answer:
http://arrow.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_crossover_episodes
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That's when they're going to reveal his character on Teen Wolf and Arrow are the same person!
...wait.
Now that you mention it, the Arrow verse has been woefully short on werewolves.
I mean, psychic apes? Check. Humanoid shark monsters? Check. Werewolves? We're still waiting.
I'm glad that Slade is still a good guy now. I'm a sucker for redemption arcs.
They could muddy the waters and turn it into an obvious attempt to undermine the mayor at the same time.
Also
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No flashbacks though.
Heh yeah I'd say that's probably accurate.
Another thought I had while watching, that I forgot about after the ludicrousness of the other thought I had.
That's the problem with having Green Arrow literally save the world from space aliens. Or nuclear war.
For pure drama nonsense, I bet the picture was released by
I really can't tell, the team dynamic they tried to setup is just bizzare and it's not the same show anymore. (and not just because of no flashbacks)
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