Do you think there's any value in finding space for a Targeted Marketing as an alternative out against Rumor Mill? I feel like I keep winning games against Railgun that I have absolutely no right winning by recurring Rumor Mill in Miffed Val.
Do you think there's any value in finding space for a Targeted Marketing as an alternative out against Rumor Mill? I feel like I keep winning games against Railgun that I have absolutely no right winning by recurring Rumor Mill in Miffed Val.
No idea what you'd cut though. An ice?
Miffed Val is a bad match up. Rumor Mill plus recursion gives you lots of problems.
Adding a single current won't resolve this problem. I think you just accept its a bad match.
Fair enough. My thinking was that it lets you punish them being complacent about leaving Jackson on the board because they know they've got Rumor Mill for when it counts. I guess you shouldn't rely on them making that mistake as your out.
This is quite a good card against Railgun as it is very versatile, protecting them from tags and meat damage (providing them keep 4 cards in hand). However it can be beaten using the Extended Combo, as always you will need a Breaking News scored, here is how it works:
nice read.
minor typo, that should be providing they, I think.
I like writing articles, but getting a good subject can be tough. If you think of anything I can cover let me know.
Maybe this is too vague, but I think one on how to assess/predict the meta ahead of any given tournament would be an interesting read. If that's too short, then it could go on to how that feeds into deck choices and/or tech slots. Could flesh it out with real life examples.
The one big counter-play I've worked out, at least in crim, against Railgun is On The Lam on a virtual, plus enough Aaron tokens to get to 7+ cards and to clear 2 tags. Can't Hatchet the OTL, and if you draw to 7 with Aaron after the Shutdown they can't double 24/7 into Boom you. That means they'd need a triple combo, I think, to get you?
Assuming they're at 7 cards from Aaron, and still have 2 tokens left (this is not impossible if they get him up before you score BN), you'd have to go Interns, Subliminal, hatchet on aaron. Then go interns, subliminal, 24/7. and then 24/7 boom, boom. Seems pretty tricky to pull off since you'll need jackson, 3 ADs and the shutdown in hand.
I guess the other way would be to put enough cards on the bottom in the right order to do a nested AD play? shutdown in AD (24/7 24/7 AD-> boom boom)
This is how I won a game this weekend against Alex White.
I have no Jackson's left, he trashes 1 from HQ just before he dies, I used one early due to flood and he kills one in r&d.
I have 2 agendas scored and both shutdown and acc diagnostic in hand. 10 cards in r&d, I mandatory draw into Anonymous Tip and play it getting a 24/7 and play it. Last click I "blind" fire Diagnostic hitting sweeps and Boom!
I bottomed 3 agendas with disposable HQ. Was sick!
I had a really awesome game on saturday where I needed to do a two pile combo but only had one AD in hand. I counted up my deck, knew I'd bottomed 4 agendas and took the chance at drawing the second AD off my jackson install. And blam, there it was!
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Ooh, Egret is going in all Kit decks then. And Careful Planning is basically Inside Job for Shapers, kind of. And LARL seems like a good filter, but I dunno if people will play it much. Deep Data Mining is definitely a card that cloud breaker players are going to want too, and it definitely makes leaving R&D open against a Shaper T1 a really risky proposition.
EtA: Also, Abagnale seems like a viable code gate breaker for Criminal! The pump and break ratios are reasonable, and it starts at a good strength. Its ability isn't quite as nice as Gordian's strength-keep, but definitely still something cool, and nice to get into a remote as a last-ditch effort - might see it in Geist even.
I would 100% run Abagnale in my Geist, as I'm currently running Passport and occasionally get locked out of remotes and I do not care even the slightest little bit about the +3 install cost in my Geist.
Probably wouldn't end up using the trash ability unless I'm sure it's going to win me the game though, clone chips are valuable.
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abagnale seems like a solid card that will see some play
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Also, Abagnale is probably a reference to Frank Abagnale, the con-man/fraudster that Catch Me If You Can was based off. Given that Steve, eh! is a grifter himself, this is fantastic theming.
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yeah it would be neat if that's a whole cycle of breakers named after other famous con artists
Abagnale is great for criminals which I like but means 2 out 3 factions have 4 cost strength 2 decoder that breaks 1 per strength or sub as their go to.
I'm not sure I like that for diversity of experience: homogeneity of breaker threats will drive a homogeneity of ice answers, and you'll get the same issue we had with the Anarch fixed breaker suite being used by everyone.
Gordian Blade keeps it's strength throughout the run and is +1/+1 str, though, which makes it a better deal. Abagnale is pretty great, though. The bypass/trash effect is delicious.
Egret is pretty good, I think. Get any normal breaker out, have an SMC on the board and you fear no single unrezzed ice at all. Might be pretty handy in Smoke decks running Houdini, or any decks running Gordian through all those high strength code gates currently in the meta.
what I really like about Abagnale's trash ability is that it makes having multiple copies in your deck feel good. You draw your second copy and you can happily use the first one to bust through something expensive, while still being able to have the redundancy needed vs rig shooter etc
I've got one friend who thinks it's completely fair as-is
I do think it's a bit harder to land that trace than it might seem, but that's also not really the point
a card that says, functionally, "trace-2: if successful, the runner cannot win unless they're packing Medium" is not okay
I think it would actually be interesting if a card did something like that in permanently locking stuff down...but it would have be only a single server (like specifically R&D) not every server.
Going to one last store champs this weekend. Taking ETF and some flavour of Whizzard, probably. Not sure what yet. Dumble is what I've been using all season but honestly its underperformed. Maybe a siphon/eater/keyhole deck instead.
I've got one friend who thinks it's completely fair as-is
I do think it's a bit harder to land that trace than it might seem, but that's also not really the point
a card that says, functionally, "trace-2: if successful, the runner cannot win unless they're packing Medium" is not okay
like yeah it's a trace, and a low one at that
but being punished for facechecking it on low credits resulting in the corp being able to score naked agendas for the rest of the game is in no way fair
I've got one friend who thinks it's completely fair as-is
I do think it's a bit harder to land that trace than it might seem, but that's also not really the point
a card that says, functionally, "trace-2: if successful, the runner cannot win unless they're packing Medium" is not okay
I think it would actually be interesting if a card did something like that in permanently locking stuff down...but it would have be only a single server (like specifically R&D) not every server.
I think it might have been better worded if it was something like Data Raven. Have the problem trace instead add a power counter to BRE, and you can spend power counters as a paid ability to make the runner access one fewer card this run.
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Going to one last store champs this weekend. Taking ETF and some flavour of Whizzard, probably. Not sure what yet. Dumble is what I've been using all season but honestly its underperformed. Maybe a siphon/eater/keyhole deck instead.
Any decent Sifr/siphon lists out there?
@Bogart you called?
I of course have a (SC winning) siphon with sifr list. You probably saw it in action. Happy to share if you want it.
I've got one friend who thinks it's completely fair as-is
I do think it's a bit harder to land that trace than it might seem, but that's also not really the point
a card that says, functionally, "trace-2: if successful, the runner cannot win unless they're packing Medium" is not okay
or ice destruction. cause the effect should go away if you blow it up. not that I'd find that meta fun
nope!
you're literally stuck with it for the rest of the game if the trace lands
Wait, really? If I found that out playing a game, I'd probably just concede right there. Another reason I don't play Netrunner anymore. Shit like that simply should not exist. And while a card errata will probably fix it, the card should never have been worded that way in the first place.
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I've got one friend who thinks it's completely fair as-is
I do think it's a bit harder to land that trace than it might seem, but that's also not really the point
a card that says, functionally, "trace-2: if successful, the runner cannot win unless they're packing Medium" is not okay
or ice destruction. cause the effect should go away if you blow it up. not that I'd find that meta fun
nope!
you're literally stuck with it for the rest of the game if the trace lands
Wait, really? If I found that out playing a game, I'd probably just concede right there. Another reason I don't play Netrunner anymore. Shit like that simply should not exist. And while a card errata will probably fix it, the card should never have been worded that way in the first place.
yeah it's because traces are triggered effects, not constant effects, which is why they typically either do something discrete (i.e. "Gain 3c", "The runner loses [click].") or they have a specific temporal window (i.e. "the runner cannot access cards other than Ash for the remainder of this run.")
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Do you think there's any value in finding space for a Targeted Marketing as an alternative out against Rumor Mill? I feel like I keep winning games against Railgun that I have absolutely no right winning by recurring Rumor Mill in Miffed Val.
No idea what you'd cut though. An ice?
Miffed Val is a bad match up. Rumor Mill plus recursion gives you lots of problems.
Adding a single current won't resolve this problem. I think you just accept its a bad match.
Fair enough. My thinking was that it lets you punish them being complacent about leaving Jackson on the board because they know they've got Rumor Mill for when it counts. I guess you shouldn't rely on them making that mistake as your out.
Multiple articles in a month? Did you shutdown/accelerated diagnostics into a pile of articles?!?
minor typo, that should be providing they, I think.
Maybe this is too vague, but I think one on how to assess/predict the meta ahead of any given tournament would be an interesting read. If that's too short, then it could go on to how that feeds into deck choices and/or tech slots. Could flesh it out with real life examples.
Assuming they're at 7 cards from Aaron, and still have 2 tokens left (this is not impossible if they get him up before you score BN), you'd have to go Interns, Subliminal, hatchet on aaron. Then go interns, subliminal, 24/7. and then 24/7 boom, boom. Seems pretty tricky to pull off since you'll need jackson, 3 ADs and the shutdown in hand.
I guess the other way would be to put enough cards on the bottom in the right order to do a nested AD play? shutdown in AD (24/7 24/7 AD-> boom boom)
I have no Jackson's left, he trashes 1 from HQ just before he dies, I used one early due to flood and he kills one in r&d.
I have 2 agendas scored and both shutdown and acc diagnostic in hand. 10 cards in r&d, I mandatory draw into Anonymous Tip and play it getting a 24/7 and play it. Last click I "blind" fire Diagnostic hitting sweeps and Boom!
I bottomed 3 agendas with disposable HQ. Was sick!
I had a really awesome game on saturday where I needed to do a two pile combo but only had one AD in hand. I counted up my deck, knew I'd bottomed 4 agendas and took the chance at drawing the second AD off my jackson install. And blam, there it was!
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check that new shaper
i should write a chrome extension that decapitalizes these articles
man, both that shaper and that event are really cool
Deep Data Mining is rad as well.
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EtA: Also, Abagnale seems like a viable code gate breaker for Criminal! The pump and break ratios are reasonable, and it starts at a good strength. Its ability isn't quite as nice as Gordian's strength-keep, but definitely still something cool, and nice to get into a remote as a last-ditch effort - might see it in Geist even.
Probably wouldn't end up using the trash ability unless I'm sure it's going to win me the game though, clone chips are valuable.
I'm not sure I like that for diversity of experience: homogeneity of breaker threats will drive a homogeneity of ice answers, and you'll get the same issue we had with the Anarch fixed breaker suite being used by everyone.
Egret is pretty good, I think. Get any normal breaker out, have an SMC on the board and you fear no single unrezzed ice at all. Might be pretty handy in Smoke decks running Houdini, or any decks running Gordian through all those high strength code gates currently in the meta.
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Egret and Deep Data Mining for those Kit decks that hyper focus on R&D
Actually Deep Data Mining is pretty nice for either of Adam or Sunny; they both have oodles of spare MU and event recursion doesn't cost influence.
this is excellent
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I do think it's a bit harder to land that trace than it might seem, but that's also not really the point
a card that says, functionally, "trace-2: if successful, the runner cannot win unless they're packing Medium" is not okay
I think it would actually be interesting if a card did something like that in permanently locking stuff down...but it would have be only a single server (like specifically R&D) not every server.
or ice destruction. cause the effect should go away if you blow it up. not that I'd find that meta fun
Any decent Sifr/siphon lists out there?
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like yeah it's a trace, and a low one at that
but being punished for facechecking it on low credits resulting in the corp being able to score naked agendas for the rest of the game is in no way fair
I think it might have been better worded if it was something like Data Raven. Have the problem trace instead add a power counter to BRE, and you can spend power counters as a paid ability to make the runner access one fewer card this run.
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@Bogart you called?
I of course have a (SC winning) siphon with sifr list. You probably saw it in action. Happy to share if you want it.
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nope!
you're literally stuck with it for the rest of the game if the trace lands
Wait, really? If I found that out playing a game, I'd probably just concede right there. Another reason I don't play Netrunner anymore. Shit like that simply should not exist. And while a card errata will probably fix it, the card should never have been worded that way in the first place.
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yeah it's because traces are triggered effects, not constant effects, which is why they typically either do something discrete (i.e. "Gain 3c", "The runner loses [click].") or they have a specific temporal window (i.e. "the runner cannot access cards other than Ash for the remainder of this run.")
well, it looks like Boggs has some damn sense, because he agrees that Sync Bre is dumb
unfortunately, it has to be played as written (unless, of course, your crew decides, no, we're not gonna do that, which they damn well should)
this would seem to suggest an errata is forthcoming