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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Apparently around my office if I say, "Delegate it to an intern." An intern pops up in front of me, damn near made me shit myself. It might have been magic, or a blind corner. I'm not sure.

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    navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    Jubal77 didn't know you also have AS

    dang

    I haven't had to limp around at work for a while. was the shittiest thing to be in too much pain to really function but unable to take time off

    Well I just got diagnosed with it a few months ago. Kind of explains a few things. Like my grumpiness for one. And with treatment I think I have been a bit better! But there are still those flare days ya. Thanks Prophet.

    (Responding to old post, sorry)

    Maybe I misunderstood original situation, but was "Big Boss" just correcting the practice of generic LWOP being allowed too liberally and just wants everything done through FMLA channels? (Usually FMLA is tracked for usage)

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    credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    ok I have a problem

    My boss is out of office (all day? for now?), and the head of the project I'm working on is also out of office (again, all day? I don't know) and I kinda need further instructions from him before doing more work because I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing.
    Like I just have no idea what further analysis I should do on this dataset.
    hmmmm
    ummmm
    Maybe I'll fritter away a bit more time, see if these guys come back by 3 or so, and then go home early?

    oh...actually maybe I can do some work for the project I am semi-managing/trying to turn into a Phase 2...like figuring out what is even in a phase 2 proposal...

    Steam, LoL: credeiki
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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Preach it's not even my middle name.

    All the more reason your deception is rank!

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    ok I have a problem

    My boss is out of office (all day? for now?), and the head of the project I'm working on is also out of office (again, all day? I don't know) and I kinda need further instructions from him before doing more work because I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing.
    Like I just have no idea what further analysis I should do on this dataset.
    hmmmm
    ummmm
    Maybe I'll fritter away a bit more time, see if these guys come back by 3 or so, and then go home early?

    oh...actually maybe I can do some work for the project I am semi-managing/trying to turn into a Phase 2...like figuring out what is even in a phase 2 proposal...

    Jubal and I are going to post a bunch of bushcraft and gun and archery videos. You want in on this action?

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    porpporp Registered User regular
    edited October 2016
    Friendly PSA: you're kids are always listening to you. Always. And they'll repeat it at the best times.


    I was talking to my sister who called to wish me a happy birthday. Number 3 was in my cart reading her book and jabbering. Get to the checkout line and the lady asks number three how she's doing.
    Number one goes, " Mommy old as balls."

    porp on
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    Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    All fair points cred!

    I just think we need to be real careful in applying algorithms and blindly trusting them, without acknowledging they can definitely be biased and flawed, when the stakes/consequences for those negatively affected are high

    poo
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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    The joys of looking at old documents.

    The marriage registry (in Scotland, post-1855) needs the signatures of two witnesses. If the witness is illiterate then they need to make their mark, which itself must be witnessed by two witnesses who sign as such after the mark.

    So you get:
    Signed Richard Cardwell
    Signed (unreadable)
    His Mark Witness
    Richard Cardwell Witness
    Edward Kelly Witness
    Catherine Richmond
    Her Mark Witness
    Richard Cardwell Witness
    Edward Kelly Witness

    Richard Cardwell I presume to be the officiating minister because he has also signed for the next couple of entries in the register.

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    Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited October 2016
    navgoose wrote: »
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    Jubal77 didn't know you also have AS

    dang

    I haven't had to limp around at work for a while. was the shittiest thing to be in too much pain to really function but unable to take time off

    Well I just got diagnosed with it a few months ago. Kind of explains a few things. Like my grumpiness for one. And with treatment I think I have been a bit better! But there are still those flare days ya. Thanks Prophet.

    (Responding to old post, sorry)

    Maybe I misunderstood original situation, but was "Big Boss" just correcting the practice of generic LWOP being allowed too liberally and just wants everything done through FMLA channels? (Usually FMLA is tracked for usage)

    My FMLA expired. So while that was going I was using the donated leave program and was still running low on leave because of having to miss work to see specialists and such. Once the FMLA expired though I was cut off my access to the donated leave program. And made me sign a document that removed my EPM granted access to LWOP because of "misuse"... which "technically" landed within my FMLA time.

    How he got around FMLA is basically he stated my PTO usage ability wasnt being changed because of overuse in FMLA but rather used a schedule change, I was on 10s at the time and moved to 8s, to denote that I would no longer be approved for LWOP under any circumstance.

    Jubal77 on
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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    porp wrote: »
    Friendly PSA: you're kids are always listening to you. Always. And they'll repeat it at the best times.


    I was talking to my sister who called to wish me a happy birthday. Number 3 was in my cart reading her book and jabbering. Get to the checkout line and the lady asks number one how she's doing.
    Number one goes, " Mommy old as balls."

    like are we talking grandpa balls or what

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    ok I have a problem

    My boss is out of office (all day? for now?), and the head of the project I'm working on is also out of office (again, all day? I don't know) and I kinda need further instructions from him before doing more work because I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing.
    Like I just have no idea what further analysis I should do on this dataset.
    hmmmm
    ummmm
    Maybe I'll fritter away a bit more time, see if these guys come back by 3 or so, and then go home early?

    oh...actually maybe I can do some work for the project I am semi-managing/trying to turn into a Phase 2...like figuring out what is even in a phase 2 proposal...

    Jubal and I are going to post a bunch of bushcraft and gun and archery videos. You want in on this action?

    heh I am not outdoorsy or super-interested in that sort of thing really.

    I'm mildly interested in guns but not enough to ever have shot one. *shrug*

    Steam, LoL: credeiki
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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    porp wrote: »
    Friendly PSA: you're kids are always listening to you. Always. And they'll repeat it at the best times.


    I was talking to my sister who called to wish me a happy birthday. Number 3 was in my cart reading her book and jabbering. Get to the checkout line and the lady asks number one how she's doing.
    Number one goes, " Mommy old as balls."

    Duh. This is why I have a group of phrases I am just waiting to teach my niece.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    also happy belated birthday porp

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    are YOU on the beer list?
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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    ok I have a problem

    My boss is out of office (all day? for now?), and the head of the project I'm working on is also out of office (again, all day? I don't know) and I kinda need further instructions from him before doing more work because I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing.
    Like I just have no idea what further analysis I should do on this dataset.
    hmmmm
    ummmm
    Maybe I'll fritter away a bit more time, see if these guys come back by 3 or so, and then go home early?

    oh...actually maybe I can do some work for the project I am semi-managing/trying to turn into a Phase 2...like figuring out what is even in a phase 2 proposal...

    Jubal and I are going to post a bunch of bushcraft and gun and archery videos. You want in on this action?

    heh I am not outdoorsy or super-interested in that sort of thing really.

    I'm mildly interested in guns but not enough to ever have shot one. *shrug*

    Then find some cool shit to post. No Anime.

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Fucking robots.

    It's like no one in the government ever saw the goddamn Terminator films.

    or much more likely they did see them and they were like: yes please give me a few of those

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular

    "How to make a quick survival bow with modern tools"

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    The joys of looking at old documents.

    The marriage registry (in Scotland, post-1855) needs the signatures of two witnesses. If the witness is illiterate then they need to make their mark, which itself must be witnessed by two witnesses who sign as such after the mark.

    So you get:
    Signed Richard Cardwell
    Signed (unreadable)
    His Mark Witness
    Richard Cardwell Witness
    Edward Kelly Witness
    Catherine Richmond
    Her Mark Witness
    Richard Cardwell Witness
    Edward Kelly Witness

    Richard Cardwell I presume to be the officiating minister because he has also signed for the next couple of entries in the register.

    Why wouldn't the witnesses to the witness just be the witness so less signatures are needed?

    FC: 1993-7778-8872 PSN: TehSloth Xbox: SlothTeh
    twitch.tv/tehsloth
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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    okay right, so are going to trust cars to drive themselves

    let's get to that point before we let robots kill people and decide who lives or dies themselves



    related, www.wnyc.org/story/its-us-versus-algorithms/
    this segment is really interesting about how we're letting algorithms do a lot of things which can be good, but can also often be really deterimental to the people who are on the losing end, if we're not careful
    (interview with this lady who wrote a book, used to work at DE Shaw - tech hedge fund - and saw the negative affects of it)

    like algorithms that go into criminal sentencing, or health care decisions, or loan approvals, etc

    very interesting
    algorithms also tend to have strong white or male bias at the heuristic level and is a big concern
    also outsourcing decisions to algorithms has the danger of freeing us from our responsibilities/consequences of decision making and is a bad thing too

    ya
    It was a good listen

    I fucked up the hyperlink

    Http://www.wnyc.org/story/its-us-versus-algorithms/

    I think I saw this linked elsewhere, but I am immediately biased against listening it by the cutesy title 'it's us vs algorithms'

    I believe strongly in a future where a lot of stuff is algorithmically determined and on average everyone is better off for it, and I view said future quite favorably.

    But if it it vital, I will put it in my list for listening material during gaming.

    it's a quick listen and worthwhile i thought

    don't let title written by a new yorker editor put you off

    there are lots of good things that come from algorithms, but it's important to watch out for the dangers and pitfalls in refining them and making sure we use them wisely and not blindly

    e.g. things like, oh this recidivism algorithm leads to people automatically being punished worse cuz they are black
    https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing

    Sure although...the pedant in me which I try to keep down generally says "BUT an algorithm is just a set way to solve a problem and you can have an algorithm for baking a cake; it doesn't mean making decisions through nebulously trained neural nets--if that's what we're worried about"

    Humans follow algorithms and heuristics to decide on recidivism rates too, sometimes explicitly ie via checklist and sometimes just in their head where it can be more ambiguous, and those are also biased processes and automation is just nottttt the problem here!

    Automatic targeting, if shown to actually be functional under a variety of lighting/weather conditions, at the range of relevant resolutions, and for subjects with varying degrees of occlusion--and with mechanisms in place to disengage if the target isn't found--is good! Why is this worse than a human operator? Is it because we really want someone to feel guilty about pressing the red button I guess?
    I suppose it's true that historically a lot of sodiers didn't really aim their guns at the enemy and just kinda shot, and as such there's something to human targeting leading to fewer casualties (but a less effective army...), but...I'm not sure that really applies to the way war is conducted now...

    It's not true historically. It's a bit of bullshit made up by a journalist.

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    IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Thought that said making a bowl at first and was very confused by the preview image.

    "You make one like that it's gonna take a WHILE."

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    Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    Dude amateur youve watched the Primitive Technology duder right?

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    The guy in that video also made a homemade shotgun out of metal pipe and it just slams the shell against a firing pin.

    He uses it to hunt hogs for the village.

    That guy is cool af

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    Somewhat depressingly every address I turn up doing this genealogy stuff was cleared as a slum at the beginning of the 20th century.

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    Dude amateur youve watched the Primitive Technology duder right?

    Oh yeah. That guy is cool. I like that he never talks and just makes shit.

    Another good channel is "Stay Primitive My Friend"

    It's a dude and his big dog doing similar stuff. He's burned down a tree to cut it down and then burned the wood to harden it to make a handle for a stone tool.

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    okay right, so are going to trust cars to drive themselves

    let's get to that point before we let robots kill people and decide who lives or dies themselves



    related, www.wnyc.org/story/its-us-versus-algorithms/
    this segment is really interesting about how we're letting algorithms do a lot of things which can be good, but can also often be really deterimental to the people who are on the losing end, if we're not careful
    (interview with this lady who wrote a book, used to work at DE Shaw - tech hedge fund - and saw the negative affects of it)

    like algorithms that go into criminal sentencing, or health care decisions, or loan approvals, etc

    very interesting
    algorithms also tend to have strong white or male bias at the heuristic level and is a big concern
    also outsourcing decisions to algorithms has the danger of freeing us from our responsibilities/consequences of decision making and is a bad thing too

    ya
    It was a good listen

    I fucked up the hyperlink

    Http://www.wnyc.org/story/its-us-versus-algorithms/

    I think I saw this linked elsewhere, but I am immediately biased against listening it by the cutesy title 'it's us vs algorithms'

    I believe strongly in a future where a lot of stuff is algorithmically determined and on average everyone is better off for it, and I view said future quite favorably.

    But if it it vital, I will put it in my list for listening material during gaming.

    it's a quick listen and worthwhile i thought

    don't let title written by a new yorker editor put you off

    there are lots of good things that come from algorithms, but it's important to watch out for the dangers and pitfalls in refining them and making sure we use them wisely and not blindly

    e.g. things like, oh this recidivism algorithm leads to people automatically being punished worse cuz they are black
    https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing

    Sure although...the pedant in me which I try to keep down generally says "BUT an algorithm is just a set way to solve a problem and you can have an algorithm for baking a cake; it doesn't mean making decisions through nebulously trained neural nets--if that's what we're worried about"

    Humans follow algorithms and heuristics to decide on recidivism rates too, sometimes explicitly ie via checklist and sometimes just in their head where it can be more ambiguous, and those are also biased processes and automation is just nottttt the problem here!

    Automatic targeting, if shown to actually be functional under a variety of lighting/weather conditions, at the range of relevant resolutions, and for subjects with varying degrees of occlusion--and with mechanisms in place to disengage if the target isn't found--is good! Why is this worse than a human operator? Is it because we really want someone to feel guilty about pressing the red button I guess?
    I suppose it's true that historically a lot of sodiers didn't really aim their guns at the enemy and just kinda shot, and as such there's something to human targeting leading to fewer casualties (but a less effective army...), but...I'm not sure that really applies to the way war is conducted now...

    The problem is the belief that algorithmic or heuristic methods are unbiased or reliable, or the lack of oversight/rigorous, data-driven evaluation

    Those recidivism algorithms are apparently almost never validated, and when they are it's by their creators. Some of which are for-profit organizations. And then a judge who isn't aware of these things is presented with information wearing the clothes of rational, reliable, objective instruments and makes decisions on that basis.

    Algorithms for automatic targeting might be great--but they might also be killing innocent people on the regular. Without oversight, without validation, without transparency, it's very easy to slip into the assumption of objectivity and reliance on purportedly rational systems that hide their bias and their flaws.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with algorithmic or heuristic methods. As you say, that's what people do. The difference is that we are automatically skeptical of people and have systems in place to vet and oversee their decision making, generally.

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    credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    okay right, so are going to trust cars to drive themselves

    let's get to that point before we let robots kill people and decide who lives or dies themselves



    related, www.wnyc.org/story/its-us-versus-algorithms/
    this segment is really interesting about how we're letting algorithms do a lot of things which can be good, but can also often be really deterimental to the people who are on the losing end, if we're not careful
    (interview with this lady who wrote a book, used to work at DE Shaw - tech hedge fund - and saw the negative affects of it)

    like algorithms that go into criminal sentencing, or health care decisions, or loan approvals, etc

    very interesting
    algorithms also tend to have strong white or male bias at the heuristic level and is a big concern
    also outsourcing decisions to algorithms has the danger of freeing us from our responsibilities/consequences of decision making and is a bad thing too

    ya
    It was a good listen

    I fucked up the hyperlink

    Http://www.wnyc.org/story/its-us-versus-algorithms/

    I think I saw this linked elsewhere, but I am immediately biased against listening it by the cutesy title 'it's us vs algorithms'

    I believe strongly in a future where a lot of stuff is algorithmically determined and on average everyone is better off for it, and I view said future quite favorably.

    But if it it vital, I will put it in my list for listening material during gaming.

    it's a quick listen and worthwhile i thought

    don't let title written by a new yorker editor put you off

    there are lots of good things that come from algorithms, but it's important to watch out for the dangers and pitfalls in refining them and making sure we use them wisely and not blindly

    e.g. things like, oh this recidivism algorithm leads to people automatically being punished worse cuz they are black
    https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing

    Sure although...the pedant in me which I try to keep down generally says "BUT an algorithm is just a set way to solve a problem and you can have an algorithm for baking a cake; it doesn't mean making decisions through nebulously trained neural nets--if that's what we're worried about"

    Humans follow algorithms and heuristics to decide on recidivism rates too, sometimes explicitly ie via checklist and sometimes just in their head where it can be more ambiguous, and those are also biased processes and automation is just nottttt the problem here!

    Automatic targeting, if shown to actually be functional under a variety of lighting/weather conditions, at the range of relevant resolutions, and for subjects with varying degrees of occlusion--and with mechanisms in place to disengage if the target isn't found--is good! Why is this worse than a human operator? Is it because we really want someone to feel guilty about pressing the red button I guess?
    I suppose it's true that historically a lot of sodiers didn't really aim their guns at the enemy and just kinda shot, and as such there's something to human targeting leading to fewer casualties (but a less effective army...), but...I'm not sure that really applies to the way war is conducted now...

    It's not true historically. It's a bit of bullshit made up by a journalist.

    Oh really? I haven't read much about it myself; mostly my husband was telling me about it, but I don't know from what sources.

    What makes you say that?

    Regardless, if that's a controversial or potentially not true factoid, I'll be careful about it in the future. Sorry!

    Steam, LoL: credeiki
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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    I try to find good Native American primitive hunting/gathering videos on youtube but man there's like nothing out there.

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I try to find good Native American primitive hunting/gathering videos on youtube but man there's like nothing out there.

    The good stuff is already reserved.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    I occasionally think back to survival situations and how hard it must have been for early humans because I look around and.. there's food, but not nearly enough food to sustain several people without farms.

    But then I remember, before humans became what we are there was probably a lot more animals and wild edible plants just everywhere.

    Makes me wonder what the earth looked like before.

    Then I remember the outdoors is fucking scary even knowing what I know, and humans definitely made a shitty situation so much better, even at the cost of a lot of wildlife.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I try to find good Native American primitive hunting/gathering videos on youtube but man there's like nothing out there.

    The good stuff is already reserved.

    ... dang

    aRkpc.gif
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    Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    IT'S FUCKING SNOWING

    it snowed briefly this morning and i got SO EXCITED

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I try to find good Native American primitive hunting/gathering videos on youtube but man there's like nothing out there.

    The good stuff is already reserved.

    oh my god

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    snow is best it's true

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    Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    edited October 2016
    Element Brian on
    Switch FC code:SW-2130-4285-0059

    Arch,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
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    Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    Dude amateur youve watched the Primitive Technology duder right?

    Oh yeah. That guy is cool. I like that he never talks and just makes shit.

    Another good channel is "Stay Primitive My Friend"

    It's a dude and his big dog doing similar stuff. He's burned down a tree to cut it down and then burned the wood to harden it to make a handle for a stone tool.

    I have been on a forging kick lately. There is a great video of tamahagane being made on youtube from a documentary I missed. Shows how the Japanese just plain ramp everything up even steel making in the old days heh.

    There was a channel, I will have to find later, of an old world village that showed how they made the day to day objects including a clay forge for copper etc.

    And then there is: (I wont post a lot of vids today though :) )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uHc4Hirexc

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    And Preacher with the layup

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I try to find good Native American primitive hunting/gathering videos on youtube but man there's like nothing out there.

    The good stuff is already reserved.

    LOL Preacher never change brotha.

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Now I want to make copper.

    GOD I can't wait to have access to a forge. I'm going to burn ALL THE THINGS

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    The "you're in our thoughts and prayers" really gets under my skin for some reason.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    And Preacher with the layup

    If there's one thing my family is good at...

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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