When dispensaries open up in mass ill be ditching the black market pretty soundly.
Half my current problem with weed is that i have to keep so much on hand. When i can just walk down to the store, grab enough for an evening, or grab an edible of some kind, it will make my life way better.
as in like, groceries. Eating in a restaurant is 25% VAT. Which is why McDonalds has two prices on everything on the menu, depending on if you sit down there or not. Because one is eating at a restaurant, the other is selling food.
Wouldn't people just say "i'll take it to go", get their food, sit down (outside?) and then eat?
as in like, groceries. Eating in a restaurant is 25% VAT. Which is why McDonalds has two prices on everything on the menu, depending on if you sit down there or not. Because one is eating at a restaurant, the other is selling food.
I was with you about sales taxes and then you guys have two different prices based on where you eat the food
Yeah, the biggest issue with the progressive consumption tax they proposed basically means that they would require much more tracking than they do now and that it'd be difficult to figure out a standard tax deduction or whatever. It could be done, especially if the system stays "simple" with clearly defoned savings vehicles and few exemptions, but it'd be insane to implement.
The usual pitch for that thing when it is brought up is a massive (p)rebate and huge point-of-sale taxes, which sucks for people who are broke.
Yeah, the biggest issue with the progressive consumption tax they proposed basically means that they would require much more tracking than they do now and that it'd be difficult to figure out a standard tax deduction or whatever. It could be done, especially if the system stays "simple" with clearly defoned savings vehicles and few exemptions, but it'd be insane to implement.
The usual pitch for that thing when it is brought up is a massive (p)rebate and huge point-of-sale taxes, which sucks for people who are broke.
VATS have lots of overhead to maintaining yeah. they're more complicated than single sales tax.
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like, if weed was legalized tomorrow i imagine every grow operation in a state with legal weed would get an offer from some large conglomerate and the industry would flip from the wild west that it is now to basically be liquor
Probably, but there really isn't a way to keep that from happening, larger conglomerates are going to be able to be able to do things more efficiently, and small grow shops will be more boutique, the only advantage to weed, is you can grow that stuff literally anywhere.
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like, if weed was legalized tomorrow i imagine every grow operation in a state with legal weed would get an offer from some large conglomerate and the industry would flip from the wild west that it is now to basically be liquor
Probably, but there really isn't a way to keep that from happening, larger conglomerates are going to be able to be able to do things more efficiently, and small grow shops will be more boutique, the only advantage to weed, is you can grow that stuff literally anywhere.
i imagine part of the legalization is a ban on private growing
You don't create a new industry by taxing the ever living shit out of it in infancy! That's just a recipe for RJ Reynolds making Marlboro weed cigs and driving all the locals out of business.
Light regs, low tax, let the industry explode in growth. More jobs, more revenue, new agribusiness, revitalized rural areas...
Some red state that's mostly fields is going to massacre WA weed business. Alabama Mama Jama or something is going to flood the market and WA will see its revenue crater. Then people will wonder what happened to their industry and never blame themselves.
What's stopping RJ Reynolds from winning in that situation too? A rising tide of loosened regs or no taxation lifts all boats, and then RJ beats you with an established logistics network and start up capital
There's a window before national players can get into the game because they expose themselves to federal attention. Right now, regional industry can get a foothold that will translate into mindshare, goodwill, and market positioning they can use to fight off the behemoths once federal laws disappear. It's to the State's advantage right now to leave as much profit in the industry as it can, so the companies are resilient when the major players do arrive.
What you've got now is a situation where the State takes their cash like a hedge fund extracting the profit out of a business before letting it collapse. Long-term sustainability of an industry is not on their radar. They're vulture capitalists!
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i'm pretty sure it would be like what is happening with craft beer right now
a hand full of regional players snatched up by major companies and distributed nationally
I don't think so, because craft beer is competing on various fronts against an established industry. Weed is green field, so to speak. It is only competing against illegal weed. It's more akin to the 90s tech industry than the current craft beer market.
if someone claimed not to be among the wealthiest, someone else could challenge them to either admit to being wealthy and thus pay for shit, or exchange fortunes with the challenger.
which is a very neat way to settle who is richest of two rich people
whichever one is not willing to swap with the other is obviously the richest one
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Actually i think this is the article i remember. The Economist is neoliberal ofc but it's talking about policy supported by a economists across a wide range of ideologies
Three: Eliminate the corporate income tax. Completely. If companies reinvest the money into their businesses, that's good. Don't tax companies in an effort to tax rich people.
Four: Eliminate all income and payroll taxes. All of them. For everyone. Taxes discourage whatever you're taxing, but we like income, so why tax it? Payroll taxes discourage creating jobs. Not such a good idea. Instead, impose a consumption tax, designed to be progressive to protect lower-income households.
In this case "a wide range of ideologies" = five economists, one of whom is a progressive. That progressive, Dean Baker, wrote about disagreements with the policy elsewhere, saying that "a consumption tax would likely be a big giveaway to the wealthy". He treats it as something that would be okay in theory, if that was an "effective wealth audit", but not so good in practice.
You don't create a new industry by taxing the ever living shit out of it in infancy! That's just a recipe for RJ Reynolds making Marlboro weed cigs and driving all the locals out of business.
Light regs, low tax, let the industry explode in growth. More jobs, more revenue, new agribusiness, revitalized rural areas...
Some red state that's mostly fields is going to massacre WA weed business. Alabama Mama Jama or something is going to flood the market and WA will see its revenue crater. Then people will wonder what happened to their industry and never blame themselves.
What's stopping RJ Reynolds from winning in that situation too? A rising tide of loosened regs or no taxation lifts all boats, and then RJ beats you with an established logistics network and start up capital
There's a window before national players can get into the game because they expose themselves to federal attention. Right now, regional industry can get a foothold that will translate into mindshare, goodwill, and market positioning they can use to fight off the behemoths once federal laws disappear. It's to the State's advantage right now to leave as much profit in the industry as it can, so the companies are resilient when the major players do arrive.
What you've got now is a situation where the State takes their cash like a hedge fund extracting the profit out of a business before letting it collapse. Long-term sustainability of an industry is not on their radar. They're vulture capitalists!
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i'm pretty sure it would be like what is happening with craft beer right now
a hand full of regional players snatched up by major companies and distributed nationally
I don't think so, because craft beer is competing on various fronts against an established industry. Weed is green field, so to speak. It is only competing against illegal weed. It's more akin to the 90s tech industry than the current craft beer market.
Tech industry had really no equivalent/semi-equivalent competitors.
Weed has both tobacco and alcohol. Both of which have major conglomerates who probably have business plans waiting for national legalization to implement and then using their huge starting capital base and distributions networks could loss lead for years to over take the system.
Its closer to Amazon in the late '90's with way more cash and being way more established.
like, if weed was legalized tomorrow i imagine every grow operation in a state with legal weed would get an offer from some large conglomerate and the industry would flip from the wild west that it is now to basically be liquor
And some will take the bait, sure
weed has the major benefit of being stupidly easy to grow and growable basically anywhere
so unless the megacorp gets some rent-seeking regulations in place you'll still see a ton of boutique weed companies because the startup costs are pretty dang low
easier than setting up a brewery
and the market is already one that's pretty picky on quality, I mean sure some people are just gonna buy the cheapest shit you can buy but it's not like beer where everyone in the country drank bud or coors and you had to create a demand for craft beer from scratch
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bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
as in like, groceries. Eating in a restaurant is 25% VAT. Which is why McDonalds has two prices on everything on the menu, depending on if you sit down there or not. Because one is eating at a restaurant, the other is selling food.
Wouldn't people just say "i'll take it to go", get their food, sit down (outside?) and then eat?
the police come and shoot you if you do that
no people wouldn't, because people are averse to just lying in someone's face like that. You'd have to go "I'll take it to go" and then very obviously go sit down. Most people don't do that. Because it's like, no money at all.
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When dispensaries open up in mass ill be ditching the black market pretty soundly.
Half my current problem with weed is that i have to keep so much on hand. When i can just walk down to the store, grab enough for an evening, or grab an edible of some kind, it will make my life way better.
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i'm just going to write you're american em
i'm just gonna do it
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Because you can.
Half my current problem with weed is that i have to keep so much on hand. When i can just walk down to the store, grab enough for an evening, or grab an edible of some kind, it will make my life way better.
Wouldn't people just say "i'll take it to go", get their food, sit down (outside?) and then eat?
I was with you about sales taxes and then you guys have two different prices based on where you eat the food
That's even worse
which will of course also be zero
The usual pitch for that thing when it is brought up is a massive (p)rebate and huge point-of-sale taxes, which sucks for people who are broke.
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VATS have lots of overhead to maintaining yeah. they're more complicated than single sales tax.
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i imagine part of the legalization is a ban on private growing
Technically they are committing a felony which is why.
or is it the other way around
Oh dear.
Really?
C. Eddy, how bad was that accident?
I don't think so, because craft beer is competing on various fronts against an established industry. Weed is green field, so to speak. It is only competing against illegal weed. It's more akin to the 90s tech industry than the current craft beer market.
the wealthiest citizens pay for everything
if someone claimed not to be among the wealthiest, someone else could challenge them to either admit to being wealthy and thus pay for shit, or exchange fortunes with the challenger.
which is a very neat way to settle who is richest of two rich people
whichever one is not willing to swap with the other is obviously the richest one
-insert John Mulaney joke here-
In this case "a wide range of ideologies" = five economists, one of whom is a progressive. That progressive, Dean Baker, wrote about disagreements with the policy elsewhere, saying that "a consumption tax would likely be a big giveaway to the wealthy". He treats it as something that would be okay in theory, if that was an "effective wealth audit", but not so good in practice.
Nope
Prostitutes and contract killers and shit still can deduct expenses
It's this 280E law
http://deadspin.com/shut-up-about-ottawas-attendance-1795506802
You know counterpoint to the talk of nashville...
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I'm bilingual, I don't think I'm allowed to be American.
they also have thc suppositories, thc lube, thc lip balm etc
Arch,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
Or the opposite end of having to nail down a flakey dealer just to get a drop.
Tech industry had really no equivalent/semi-equivalent competitors.
Weed has both tobacco and alcohol. Both of which have major conglomerates who probably have business plans waiting for national legalization to implement and then using their huge starting capital base and distributions networks could loss lead for years to over take the system.
Its closer to Amazon in the late '90's with way more cash and being way more established.
And some will take the bait, sure
weed has the major benefit of being stupidly easy to grow and growable basically anywhere
so unless the megacorp gets some rent-seeking regulations in place you'll still see a ton of boutique weed companies because the startup costs are pretty dang low
easier than setting up a brewery
and the market is already one that's pretty picky on quality, I mean sure some people are just gonna buy the cheapest shit you can buy but it's not like beer where everyone in the country drank bud or coors and you had to create a demand for craft beer from scratch
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Damn this shade.
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the police come and shoot you if you do that
no people wouldn't, because people are averse to just lying in someone's face like that. You'd have to go "I'll take it to go" and then very obviously go sit down. Most people don't do that. Because it's like, no money at all.
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Your sin-taxed legal weed at work, folks
i totally didn't see the original quote thread this was connected to
i was just thinking of superheroes