Ryan pivoting to the wall seems to be so they can go back to their normal playbook of cook up some crazy bill that can't actually become law to throw red meat to their base and blame the dems when the obvious filibuster occurs.
I hope they switch their fight to the stupid wall because unlike healthcare and random wars, it's unlikely to kill many people. Just a big money pit.
sometimes I find myself getting used to the idea of the wall, like it just becomes part of the noise. Then you get a sudden rush of oh my god a fucking giant wall this is what we've become
I can't see Republican politicians caring all that much about the wall when they see the bill. They will probably let it get started and then die of lack of funding. Slow progress on the wall is the best for them: they can campaign on building it without actually having to do it very much.
Didn't the house already put up 1.6 billion for the wall in the most recent version of the budget?
I can't see Republican politicians caring all that much about the wall when they see the bill. They will probably let it get started and then die of lack of funding. Slow progress on the wall is the best for them: they can campaign on building it without actually having to do it very much.
Didn't the house already put up 1.6 billion for the wall in the most recent version of the budget?
The good thing is that investigation, planning, and contractor selection for such an enormous project as actually building the wall is likely to take 4 years at least. So while some money will be wasted, hopefully we can regain full control and simply cancel the whole project before anyone puts even a single pointless brick on the ground.
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sometimes I find myself getting used to the idea of the wall, like it just becomes part of the noise. Then you get a sudden rush of oh my god a fucking giant wall this is what we've become
Let's be honest, if the wall even becomes a reality it will A) take years to build at which point Trump will be out of the WH and the next President will tear it down, and it will be a piece of shit that is barely holding together like all of Trump's ventures into territory he knows nothing about.
But no, I choose to believe that most people have not become the sort who want a goddamn expensive eyesore along our borders.
Ryan pivoting to the wall seems to be so they can go back to their normal playbook of cook up some crazy bill that can't actually become law to throw red meat to their base and blame the dems when the obvious filibuster occurs.
I hope they switch their fight to the stupid wall because unlike healthcare and random wars, it's unlikely to kill many people. Just a big money pit.
One of the things that we really should be taking away from the healthcare fight is that poorly directed money does in fact kill many people.
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I do wonder if the pivot to the wall is meant to distract their base from the healthcare fiasco, or to distract Trump.
Two conservative senators will appear alongside President Trump at the White House Wednesday to announce a new version of their bill to restrict and reform legal immigration.
Arkansas’s Tom Cotton and Georgia’s David Perdue have been coordinating with the White House on the legislation, which may propose to cut legal immigration levels by about half by 2027.
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Oh wait, they were lying when they said they were fine with immigrants who follow the rules?Le Shock
Two conservative senators will appear alongside President Trump at the White House Wednesday to announce a new version of their bill to restrict and reform legal immigration.
Arkansas’s Tom Cotton and Georgia’s David Perdue have been coordinating with the White House on the legislation, which may propose to cut legal immigration levels by about half by 2027.
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I can't see Republican politicians caring all that much about the wall when they see the bill. They will probably let it get started and then die of lack of funding. Slow progress on the wall is the best for them: they can campaign on building it without actually having to do it very much.
Didn't the house already put up 1.6 billion for the wall in the most recent version of the budget?
The good thing is that investigation, planning, and contractor selection for such an enormous project as actually building the wall is likely to take 4 years at least. So while some money will be wasted, hopefully we can regain full control and simply cancel the whole project before anyone puts even a single pointless brick on the ground.
There are already some areas that have walls so bolstering those or improving them could be a reasonable compromise.
oh my god this press conference on this ridiculous "raise" act. Tom Cotton is just honestly, legitimately, dumb. Isn't he? Like this is not a smart guy.
I am so fucking disgusted with this country right now.
EDIT: Like I don't even know how badly this would hurt anybody, but it's just such a validation of xenophobia and prejudice and a betrayal of everything we're told to believe this country stands for.
Just fuck all of these people.
FURTHER EDIT: Petty. The word I was looking for was "petty."
Two conservative senators will appear alongside President Trump at the White House Wednesday to announce a new version of their bill to restrict and reform legal immigration.
Arkansas’s Tom Cotton and Georgia’s David Perdue have been coordinating with the White House on the legislation, which may propose to cut legal immigration levels by about half by 2027.
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look at the Statue of Liberty, motherfuckers
Xenophobia and racism are sadly also what we're about. Within 10 years of the ratification of the constitution we had the Alien and Sedition acts.
Canada had been known to have a fairly broad and generous immigration policy, but since 2006, the government has pursued reforms to “focus Canada’s immigration system on fuelling economic prosperity” and to place “a high priority on finding people who have the skills and experience required to meet Canada’s economic needs.”
It is also important to point out that Canada and Australia, despite using the point system, let in double the amount of immigrants that the US already does per capita, prior to this idiotic limitation
Not to mention this is a terrible time to limit immigration, with all the Boomers retiring and the slowing pace of patent applications and generation of new companies
Yup. Want to fix* Social Security? Let a bunch of young folks immigrate and pay those taxes for awhile. It actually helps as it smooths out the population imbalance.
You know what's great about having a bunch of twenty-somethings from other countries immigrate to your country?
The cost of having to feed, house, and educate them while they were children was covered by some other country. You get the benefit of an educated adult without having to pay for any of the upkeep costs.
Yup. Want to fix* Social Security? Let a bunch of young folks immigrate and pay those taxes for awhile. It actually helps as it smooths out the population imbalance.
Either that or make it easier for people to have kids without throwing themselves into poverty. Lower-level US jobs are OK to support an adult on their own, but pauper-level for an adult with children. Healthcare would be useful here, as having a baby is expensive and kids tend to go to the doctor a lot in their first few years. Daycare subsidies for low-income parents are just as important. If they want more American-born Americans, they'd better be prepared to pay for it.
You know what's great about having a bunch of twenty-somethings from other countries immigrate to your country?
The cost of having to feed, house, and educate them while they were children was covered by some other country. You get the benefit of an educated adult without having to pay for any of the upkeep costs.
You know what's great about having a bunch of twenty-somethings from other countries immigrate to your country?
The cost of having to feed, house, and educate them while they were children was covered by some other country. You get the benefit of an educated adult without having to pay for any of the upkeep costs.
Yes but they're brown.
What if we give them whitening cream?
Or tell them to wear something that covers their faces, like, i dunno, a burka?
A lot of white people in this country are terrified of not being the majority in power any more. Because, well, they look at how they've treated minorities and expect the same to be done unto them.
And, to be fair, they might not be wrong. I mean, I believe that people of every color, religion, etc etc etc are equally good and equally terrible. Because that's how humans are, everywhere.
When people have power over others, some of them are going to use that power to be terrible. This is known. It's timeless, universal, human. It's up to those with the power to stop them, who aren't terrible, to use that power responsibly and reign them in.
(Trick is, this means having to go against your own tribe. Also, you have to watch out for those who would abuse this self-policing to satisfy their own petty, personal grudges. Neither is easy.)
It is also important to point out that Canada and Australia, despite using the point system, let in double the amount of immigrants that the US already does per capita, prior to this idiotic limitation
Not to mention this is a terrible time to limit immigration, with all the Boomers retiring and the slowing pace of patent applications and generation of new companies
The points system is also incredibly buggy. I won't bombard you all with the details of Canada's point system here, but it's not the cure-all that some (ideologically motivated) Americans would profess it to be.
We also have a variety of other immigration streams that aren't judged on points, namely the family reunification class, which allows for settled immigrants to bring in their family members to Canada.
A lot of white people in this country are terrified of not being the majority in power any more. Because, well, they look at how they've treated minorities and expect the same to be done unto them.
And, to be fair, they might not be wrong. I mean, I believe that people of every color, religion, etc etc etc are equally good and equally terrible. Because that's how humans are, everywhere.
Not always. Remember how moderates in the American South were terrified that if they freed the slaves, the slaves would rise up and slaughter them in vengeance? And then the slaves got freed and it was pretty much fine?
What happens with immigrants in the USA is that the new groups are Strange, Alien and Scary and 100 years later people are used to them and find a way to coexist. Irish people aren't a threat to civilization any more, with their drinking and firey tempers. Jewish people might not have converted to Christianity, but people learned to deal with having more than one religion in the country. Germans eventually learned to speak English and stopped living in insular German communities (except the Amish I guess, but people also leaned to deal with them.) They stopped being "those people" and started being just "us" after about 2-3 generations.
Canada had been known to have a fairly broad and generous immigration policy, but since 2006, the government has pursued reforms to “focus Canada’s immigration system on fuelling economic prosperity” and to place “a high priority on finding people who have the skills and experience required to meet Canada’s economic needs.”
I was largely under the impression that the US already did this, which is why the immigration process can take years if you aren't trained in one of the few desired professions, or are already independently wealthy.
A lot of white people in this country are terrified of not being the majority in power any more. Because, well, they look at how they've treated minorities and expect the same to be done unto them.
And, to be fair, they might not be wrong. I mean, I believe that people of every color, religion, etc etc etc are equally good and equally terrible. Because that's how humans are, everywhere.
Not always. Remember how moderates in the American South were terrified that if they freed the slaves, the slaves would rise up and slaughter them in vengeance? And then the slaves got freed and it was pretty much fine?
What happens with immigrants in the USA is that the new groups are Strange, Alien and Scary and 100 years later people are used to them and find a way to coexist. Irish people aren't a threat to civilization any more, with their drinking and firey tempers. Jewish people might not have converted to Christianity, but people learned to deal with having more than one religion in the country. Germans eventually learned to speak English and stopped living in insular German communities (except the Amish I guess, but people also leaned to deal with them.) They stopped being "those people" and started being just "us" after about 2-3 generations.
There has been progress, yet there is a long way to go. America still has yet to have a president who isn't Christian, or overtly courting the Christian demographic and IIRC congress only got their first Muslim politician very recently. Pretty sure most people forget the Amish exist, though they're getting the word out with better representation these days on reality tv shows and dramas like Banshee.
edit: Given that the alt-right has festered expect more overt resistant to Jews operating in the political spotlight, too.
guaranteeing anywhere the wall is built will also be a cesspool of pollution.
I suspect the regulations they would eschew relate more to not paving over endangered species or giving a fuck about water tables.
I suspect the stated purpose will be so that the construction won't be delayed by endangered species, and the actual result will be a toxic moat sponsored by Monsanto.
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I hope they switch their fight to the stupid wall because unlike healthcare and random wars, it's unlikely to kill many people. Just a big money pit.
Didn't the house already put up 1.6 billion for the wall in the most recent version of the budget?
The good thing is that investigation, planning, and contractor selection for such an enormous project as actually building the wall is likely to take 4 years at least. So while some money will be wasted, hopefully we can regain full control and simply cancel the whole project before anyone puts even a single pointless brick on the ground.
Let's be honest, if the wall even becomes a reality it will A) take years to build at which point Trump will be out of the WH and the next President will tear it down, and
But no, I choose to believe that most people have not become the sort who want a goddamn expensive eyesore along our borders.
One of the things that we really should be taking away from the healthcare fight is that poorly directed money does in fact kill many people.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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Both, most likely.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-tries-to-cut-legal-immigration-by-half/article/2009100
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look at the Statue of Liberty, motherfuckers
So that's half a million people per year that aren't going to be able to come and do whatever it is that they were planning on doing. Jesus.
It's weird they would hold a press conference for it.
They don't have anything else going on
It's almost as if Trump were looking for anything that would both appease his base and distract them from his many failures and alt-wins.
of course now they're also doing this
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/344772-trump-admin-waives-environmental-laws-for-border-wall-construction
guaranteeing anywhere the wall is built will also be a cesspool of pollution.
I suspect the regulations they would eschew relate more to not paving over endangered species or giving a fuck about water tables.
Environmental regulations waived in mostly black or brown areas? That's unthinkable in America!
There are already some areas that have walls so bolstering those or improving them could be a reasonable compromise.
The bill is called the RAISE Act
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/08/02/watch-live-president-trump-introduces-immigration-reform-raise-act/23061539/
EDIT: Like I don't even know how badly this would hurt anybody, but it's just such a validation of xenophobia and prejudice and a betrayal of everything we're told to believe this country stands for.
Just fuck all of these people.
FURTHER EDIT: Petty. The word I was looking for was "petty."
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
Xenophobia and racism are sadly also what we're about. Within 10 years of the ratification of the constitution we had the Alien and Sedition acts.
Here's info on what Canada does:
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/points-based-immigration/canada.php
Not to mention this is a terrible time to limit immigration, with all the Boomers retiring and the slowing pace of patent applications and generation of new companies
WaPo has a good writeup here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/08/02/its-a-grave-mistake-for-trump-to-cut-legal-immigration-in-half/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_pp-immigration-940am:homepage/story&utm_term=.7b341bde3a50
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*Fix being needed is sorta debatable.
The cost of having to feed, house, and educate them while they were children was covered by some other country. You get the benefit of an educated adult without having to pay for any of the upkeep costs.
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Either that or make it easier for people to have kids without throwing themselves into poverty. Lower-level US jobs are OK to support an adult on their own, but pauper-level for an adult with children. Healthcare would be useful here, as having a baby is expensive and kids tend to go to the doctor a lot in their first few years. Daycare subsidies for low-income parents are just as important. If they want more American-born Americans, they'd better be prepared to pay for it.
Yes but they're brown.
What if we give them whitening cream?
Or tell them to wear something that covers their faces, like, i dunno, a burka?
And, to be fair, they might not be wrong. I mean, I believe that people of every color, religion, etc etc etc are equally good and equally terrible. Because that's how humans are, everywhere.
When people have power over others, some of them are going to use that power to be terrible. This is known. It's timeless, universal, human. It's up to those with the power to stop them, who aren't terrible, to use that power responsibly and reign them in.
(Trick is, this means having to go against your own tribe. Also, you have to watch out for those who would abuse this self-policing to satisfy their own petty, personal grudges. Neither is easy.)
The points system is also incredibly buggy. I won't bombard you all with the details of Canada's point system here, but it's not the cure-all that some (ideologically motivated) Americans would profess it to be.
We also have a variety of other immigration streams that aren't judged on points, namely the family reunification class, which allows for settled immigrants to bring in their family members to Canada.
Not always. Remember how moderates in the American South were terrified that if they freed the slaves, the slaves would rise up and slaughter them in vengeance? And then the slaves got freed and it was pretty much fine?
What happens with immigrants in the USA is that the new groups are Strange, Alien and Scary and 100 years later people are used to them and find a way to coexist. Irish people aren't a threat to civilization any more, with their drinking and firey tempers. Jewish people might not have converted to Christianity, but people learned to deal with having more than one religion in the country. Germans eventually learned to speak English and stopped living in insular German communities (except the Amish I guess, but people also leaned to deal with them.) They stopped being "those people" and started being just "us" after about 2-3 generations.
I was largely under the impression that the US already did this, which is why the immigration process can take years if you aren't trained in one of the few desired professions, or are already independently wealthy.
There has been progress, yet there is a long way to go. America still has yet to have a president who isn't Christian, or overtly courting the Christian demographic and IIRC congress only got their first Muslim politician very recently. Pretty sure most people forget the Amish exist, though they're getting the word out with better representation these days on reality tv shows and dramas like Banshee.
edit: Given that the alt-right has festered expect more overt resistant to Jews operating in the political spotlight, too.
I suspect the stated purpose will be so that the construction won't be delayed by endangered species, and the actual result will be a toxic moat sponsored by Monsanto.
Stephen Miller, who worked on this new bill, is talking now.
He is insufferable!
Some WH dude is accusing Jim Acosta of being a racist. It's...just...something.
Stephen Miller, he's a disgustig racist. Just the perfect guy to get thrown up in front of the press corps for this plan.