I never feel as compelled to buy most single player games at launch, usually because I take forever to beat them
I'm just now finishing up RDR2, and I have a huge backlog, not to mention Game Pass games, also I want Death Stranding... So...
Yeah I'm still interested but can wait for like a 10-15 dollar sale, maybe this holiday
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I still pre-order everything because the pros far outweigh the cons still for me.
I get that's not for everyone but the whole telling other people not to do what's better for themselves because it's not better for you is sooooo tired.
I never feel as compelled to buy most single player games at launch, usually because I take forever to beat them
I'm just now finishing up RDR2, and I have a huge backlog, not to mention Game Pass games, also I want Death Stranding... So...
Yeah I'm still interested but can wait for like a 10-15 dollar sale, maybe this holiday
While it does seem that games quickly enter the Sale phase, I expect that Fallen Order will remain at full price for a while, barring a catastrophic initial sales period. And I say this because it's part of various holiday console bundles, which would logically inhibit publishers from reducing the cost of the individual item.
I never feel as compelled to buy most single player games at launch, usually because I take forever to beat them
I'm just now finishing up RDR2, and I have a huge backlog, not to mention Game Pass games, also I want Death Stranding... So...
Yeah I'm still interested but can wait for like a 10-15 dollar sale, maybe this holiday
While it does seem that games quickly enter the Sale phase, I expect that Fallen Order will remain at full price for a while, barring a catastrophic initial sales period. And I say this because it's part of various holiday console bundles, which would logically inhibit publishers from reducing the cost of the individual item.
Yeah, but there's often deals that give gift cards I can maybe turn around and apply to the game
Also I think one of my friends still has UGC from Best Buy so I could save like 10 right away I think
Sorry, but no, it's not about personal preference based on whatever swag they include. Pre-ordering is an objectively bad practice that affects the quality of the end product and it needs to end.
Sorry, but no, it's not about personal preference based on whatever swag they include. Pre-ordering is an objectively bad practice that affects the quality of the end product and it needs to end.
I get what you mean, but lots of game stores now take digital returns so I think this line of thinking is a bit much
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Sorry, but no, it's not about personal preference based on whatever swag they include. Pre-ordering is an objectively bad practice that affects the quality of the end product and it needs to end.
So the piles of discounts that I have personally received at no cost to myself was actually bad for me this whole time? Well shit, the more you know!
I have paid less money and gotten games of increasing quality year after year.
Even if the embargo sucks, respawn has earned some good will—between rhe titanfall 2 campaign and apex legends, which I play practically every day, I owe them a certain degree of trust.
Respawn has nothing to do with any press embargoes being set. That's on EA and/or Disney.
I think that's what they are saying.
The people actually making the game have earned goodwill regardless of the embargo decisions being made by EA.
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Respawn seems to have been given tremendous autonomy making this game and I think people hemming and hawing about the quality of the game basically haven't played Titanfall 2, the madmen
Sorry, but no, it's not about personal preference based on whatever swag they include. Pre-ordering is an objectively bad practice that affects the quality of the end product and it needs to end.
So the piles of discounts that I have personally received at no cost to myself was actually bad for me this whole time? Well shit, the more you know!
I have paid less money and gotten games of increasing quality year after year.
Sales have nothing to do with preorders as a concept. That's a bad response to what he's getting at honestly. And the thought is correct, preorders are a way to try to get people to think in terms of sunk costs before they've even bought the product. Or occasionally a way to rob consumers of some small amount of value add, such as retail exclusive pre-orders that are different at every retailer. Pretty much the ONLY things that are legitimately good for the consumer end on pre-orders are pre-loading the game to play quicker on launch day and securing a physical copy when supply is ACTUALLY limited, like with an NES Classic say.
I pre-ordered this because you get an orange lightsaber, and that's my favorite lightsaber color.
I don't think the pre-order debate needs to be complicated. If a game you were excited for turns out shit, it would be just as shit if you paid for it two months in advance, on launch day, or two months after it comes out. If you know you're going to buy it ASAP, why not grab the bonuses if you're able? If not, why worry about other people doing it?
I guess I just don't see any real difference between pre-ordering a game and pre-sales for movies.
I pre-ordered this because you get an orange lightsaber, and that's my favorite lightsaber color.
I don't think the pre-order debate needs to be complicated. If a game you were excited for turns out shit, it would be just as shit if you paid for it two months in advance, on launch day, or two months after it comes out. If you know you're going to buy it ASAP, why not grab the bonuses if you're able? If not, why worry about other people doing it?
I guess I just don't see any real difference between pre-ordering a game and pre-sales for movies.
Pre-Sales for a movie buys you a seat or a time to go at the very least. Quantities of that are limited. Pre-sales for physical copies of Call of Duty Modern Warfare are NOT a realistically limited resource. And you can even pre-order digital copies, which are LITERALLY an unlimited resource.
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I only game digitally these days, the only time I've bought physical copies in a last few years were a few years ago buying Ghost Recon Wildlands because it was cheaper than Steam or uPlay, and Mario Kart 8 because I got it 25% off with my Switch and keeping a cart in the slot keeps it from getting dirty.
And I'll still pre order games for various reasons. I pre ordered Rage 2 because I'm an id software fanboy, and I wanted the BFG 9000 and Settlers Pistol. I pre ordered Assassins Creed Odyssey because uPlay let me spend points (which I have nothing else to spend them on) to get 20% off the pre order. I pre ordered The Division 2 for the same reason.
If you don't like pre ordering, hey, that's fine. But it's shitty to dump on people who do because they have their own reasons.
I pre-ordered this because you get an orange lightsaber, and that's my favorite lightsaber color.
I don't think the pre-order debate needs to be complicated. If a game you were excited for turns out shit, it would be just as shit if you paid for it two months in advance, on launch day, or two months after it comes out. If you know you're going to buy it ASAP, why not grab the bonuses if you're able? If not, why worry about other people doing it?
I guess I just don't see any real difference between pre-ordering a game and pre-sales for movies.
Pre-Sales for a movie buys you a seat or a time to go at the very least. Quantities of that are limited. Pre-sales for physical copies of Call of Duty Modern Warfare are NOT a realistically limited resource. And you can even pre-order digital copies, which are LITERALLY an unlimited resource.
You're talking to a guy who drove all around the second-biggest city in the state looking for a copy of The Outer Worlds the day after it came out. Spoiler: It didn't go well. :P
But, even assuming that pre-orders/sales were only about limited supply, why would that make pre-ordering an inherently bad or good action? I would point out that pre-ordering games gives tangible benefits that movie pre-sales do not, namely getting earlier access to the product and extra things within the product. I might buy my ticket for Rise of Skywalker as soon as it's available, but that doesn't mean I get a coffee hangout with John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. Which would be fucking cool, if any Disney executives happen to be reading random video game forum threads.
Like, I can understand not wanting to pre-order games. I think Early Access games—where you're really paying to be a beta tester—is shady bordering on fraudulent. But I don't understand why simple pre-ordering is bad or good for the industry.
so apparently the mandalorian, the live action Star Wars series that premieres tomorrow with the launch of Disney plus, also does not have any advance reviews. Seeing as how these are the same week, same franchise, same company, it seems more and more likely it is just some kind of dumb anti-spoiler edict from Disney.
so apparently the mandalorian, the live action Star Wars series that premieres tomorrow with the launch of Disney plus, also does not have any advance reviews. Seeing as how these are the same week, same franchise, same company, it seems more and more likely it is just some kind of dumb anti-spoiler edict from Disney.
Both cases make sense as spoilers would harm both products. But internet going to rage either way.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I pre-ordered this because you get an orange lightsaber, and that's my favorite lightsaber color.
I don't think the pre-order debate needs to be complicated. If a game you were excited for turns out shit, it would be just as shit if you paid for it two months in advance, on launch day, or two months after it comes out. If you know you're going to buy it ASAP, why not grab the bonuses if you're able? If not, why worry about other people doing it?
I guess I just don't see any real difference between pre-ordering a game and pre-sales for movies.
Pre-Sales for a movie buys you a seat or a time to go at the very least. Quantities of that are limited. Pre-sales for physical copies of Call of Duty Modern Warfare are NOT a realistically limited resource. And you can even pre-order digital copies, which are LITERALLY an unlimited resource.
You're talking to a guy who drove all around the second-biggest city in the state looking for a copy of The Outer Worlds the day after it came out. Spoiler: It didn't go well. :P
But, even assuming that pre-orders/sales were only about limited supply, why would that make pre-ordering an inherently bad or good action? I would point out that pre-ordering games gives tangible benefits that movie pre-sales do not, namely getting earlier access to the product and extra things within the product. I might buy my ticket for Rise of Skywalker as soon as it's available, but that doesn't mean I get a coffee hangout with John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. Which would be fucking cool, if any Disney executives happen to be reading random video game forum threads.
Like, I can understand not wanting to pre-order games. I think Early Access games—where you're really paying to be a beta tester—is shady bordering on fraudulent. But I don't understand why simple pre-ordering is bad or good for the industry.
The "extra things" in games aren't extra. They're removed things from the full price product. Just another bullshit monetization practice. The console versions of Sonic Generations NEVER got the Casino Night DLC for example. They just permanently damaged the game to get $5 from people a month early.
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I pre-ordered this because you get an orange lightsaber, and that's my favorite lightsaber color.
I don't think the pre-order debate needs to be complicated. If a game you were excited for turns out shit, it would be just as shit if you paid for it two months in advance, on launch day, or two months after it comes out. If you know you're going to buy it ASAP, why not grab the bonuses if you're able? If not, why worry about other people doing it?
I guess I just don't see any real difference between pre-ordering a game and pre-sales for movies.
Pre-Sales for a movie buys you a seat or a time to go at the very least. Quantities of that are limited. Pre-sales for physical copies of Call of Duty Modern Warfare are NOT a realistically limited resource. And you can even pre-order digital copies, which are LITERALLY an unlimited resource.
You're talking to a guy who drove all around the second-biggest city in the state looking for a copy of The Outer Worlds the day after it came out. Spoiler: It didn't go well. :P
But, even assuming that pre-orders/sales were only about limited supply, why would that make pre-ordering an inherently bad or good action? I would point out that pre-ordering games gives tangible benefits that movie pre-sales do not, namely getting earlier access to the product and extra things within the product. I might buy my ticket for Rise of Skywalker as soon as it's available, but that doesn't mean I get a coffee hangout with John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. Which would be fucking cool, if any Disney executives happen to be reading random video game forum threads.
Like, I can understand not wanting to pre-order games. I think Early Access games—where you're really paying to be a beta tester—is shady bordering on fraudulent. But I don't understand why simple pre-ordering is bad or good for the industry.
The "extra things" in games aren't extra. They're removed things from the full price product. Just another bullshit monetization practice. The console versions of Sonic Generations NEVER got the Casino Night DLC for example. They just permanently damaged the game to get $5 from people a month early.
Eh, that depends.
Like the BFG and Settler Pistol in Rage 2 I'm certain weren't cut content, since they actually don't have all of the functionality of other weapons. Other weapons have full upgrade trees, while the pre order weapons are just as-is. Even the new weapon in the first DLC has an upgrade tree. That tells me they just had a couple of artists whip up the model, textures and animations, set some statistics and called it a day because they were pre order bonuses.
I'd wager most of it just disappears if pre order bonuses go away rather than base games getting more content.
I pre-ordered this because you get an orange lightsaber, and that's my favorite lightsaber color.
I don't think the pre-order debate needs to be complicated. If a game you were excited for turns out shit, it would be just as shit if you paid for it two months in advance, on launch day, or two months after it comes out. If you know you're going to buy it ASAP, why not grab the bonuses if you're able? If not, why worry about other people doing it?
I guess I just don't see any real difference between pre-ordering a game and pre-sales for movies.
Pre-Sales for a movie buys you a seat or a time to go at the very least. Quantities of that are limited. Pre-sales for physical copies of Call of Duty Modern Warfare are NOT a realistically limited resource. And you can even pre-order digital copies, which are LITERALLY an unlimited resource.
You're talking to a guy who drove all around the second-biggest city in the state looking for a copy of The Outer Worlds the day after it came out. Spoiler: It didn't go well. :P
But, even assuming that pre-orders/sales were only about limited supply, why would that make pre-ordering an inherently bad or good action? I would point out that pre-ordering games gives tangible benefits that movie pre-sales do not, namely getting earlier access to the product and extra things within the product. I might buy my ticket for Rise of Skywalker as soon as it's available, but that doesn't mean I get a coffee hangout with John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. Which would be fucking cool, if any Disney executives happen to be reading random video game forum threads.
Like, I can understand not wanting to pre-order games. I think Early Access games—where you're really paying to be a beta tester—is shady bordering on fraudulent. But I don't understand why simple pre-ordering is bad or good for the industry.
The "extra things" in games aren't extra. They're removed things from the full price product. Just another bullshit monetization practice. The console versions of Sonic Generations NEVER got the Casino Night DLC for example. They just permanently damaged the game to get $5 from people a month early.
If there were no pre-orders, it still would not be in the game because there would be no monetary reason to include it. Pre-order stuff isn't things cut from the game that would have been included, its things that were already cut from the game that management throws a couple of developers on to get finished after the game has already been content locked. No pre-orders, those developers would just be fired to save money and the content would never see the light of day. You just wouldn't know it ever existed.
I pre-ordered this because you get an orange lightsaber, and that's my favorite lightsaber color.
I don't think the pre-order debate needs to be complicated. If a game you were excited for turns out shit, it would be just as shit if you paid for it two months in advance, on launch day, or two months after it comes out. If you know you're going to buy it ASAP, why not grab the bonuses if you're able? If not, why worry about other people doing it?
I guess I just don't see any real difference between pre-ordering a game and pre-sales for movies.
Pre-Sales for a movie buys you a seat or a time to go at the very least. Quantities of that are limited. Pre-sales for physical copies of Call of Duty Modern Warfare are NOT a realistically limited resource. And you can even pre-order digital copies, which are LITERALLY an unlimited resource.
You're talking to a guy who drove all around the second-biggest city in the state looking for a copy of The Outer Worlds the day after it came out. Spoiler: It didn't go well. :P
But, even assuming that pre-orders/sales were only about limited supply, why would that make pre-ordering an inherently bad or good action? I would point out that pre-ordering games gives tangible benefits that movie pre-sales do not, namely getting earlier access to the product and extra things within the product. I might buy my ticket for Rise of Skywalker as soon as it's available, but that doesn't mean I get a coffee hangout with John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. Which would be fucking cool, if any Disney executives happen to be reading random video game forum threads.
Like, I can understand not wanting to pre-order games. I think Early Access games—where you're really paying to be a beta tester—is shady bordering on fraudulent. But I don't understand why simple pre-ordering is bad or good for the industry.
The "extra things" in games aren't extra. They're removed things from the full price product. Just another bullshit monetization practice. The console versions of Sonic Generations NEVER got the Casino Night DLC for example. They just permanently damaged the game to get $5 from people a month early.
If there were no pre-orders, it still would not be in the game because there would be no monetary reason to include it. Pre-order stuff isn't things cut from the game that would have been included, its things that were already cut from the game that management throws a couple of developers on to get finished after the game has already been content locked. No pre-orders, those developers would just be fired to save money and the content would never see the light of day. You just wouldn't know it ever existed.
This is baloney. The pre-orders aren't extra money. They don't generate a SINGLE extra dollar. Where does this profit to hire extra devs who would otherwise be fired come from?
Edit, tone too hostile, rephrasing. That's not how budgeting works. If you'd think about that, you'd realize it's nonsense. You guys are buying into an industry marketing hoax in the same neighborhood of "it's just cosmetic!" or "you can earn it all in the game without spending a single penny!"
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Whatever, I'ma just be chillin with my sweet-ass Mythosaur pin.
I pre-ordered this because you get an orange lightsaber, and that's my favorite lightsaber color.
I don't think the pre-order debate needs to be complicated. If a game you were excited for turns out shit, it would be just as shit if you paid for it two months in advance, on launch day, or two months after it comes out. If you know you're going to buy it ASAP, why not grab the bonuses if you're able? If not, why worry about other people doing it?
I guess I just don't see any real difference between pre-ordering a game and pre-sales for movies.
Pre-Sales for a movie buys you a seat or a time to go at the very least. Quantities of that are limited. Pre-sales for physical copies of Call of Duty Modern Warfare are NOT a realistically limited resource. And you can even pre-order digital copies, which are LITERALLY an unlimited resource.
You're talking to a guy who drove all around the second-biggest city in the state looking for a copy of The Outer Worlds the day after it came out. Spoiler: It didn't go well. :P
But, even assuming that pre-orders/sales were only about limited supply, why would that make pre-ordering an inherently bad or good action? I would point out that pre-ordering games gives tangible benefits that movie pre-sales do not, namely getting earlier access to the product and extra things within the product. I might buy my ticket for Rise of Skywalker as soon as it's available, but that doesn't mean I get a coffee hangout with John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. Which would be fucking cool, if any Disney executives happen to be reading random video game forum threads.
Like, I can understand not wanting to pre-order games. I think Early Access games—where you're really paying to be a beta tester—is shady bordering on fraudulent. But I don't understand why simple pre-ordering is bad or good for the industry.
The "extra things" in games aren't extra. They're removed things from the full price product. Just another bullshit monetization practice. The console versions of Sonic Generations NEVER got the Casino Night DLC for example. They just permanently damaged the game to get $5 from people a month early.
Yea... I don't pay anything in advance to pre-order. So you are already coming at this from the wrong angle. Thus why my original point was the cost to me is nothing. And I get advantages. And I understand the purpose of the practice which is also why I specifically said the pros(cheaper game, I know it's on my doorstep when I get home, no need for any extra effort) far outweigh the cons(potentially shitty companies using the practice to take advantage in ways that don't affect me).
I'm aware of what people are saying is the bad part but I very specifically said *for me* it is better. Objectively better for me, maybe not for you.
I pre-ordered this because you get an orange lightsaber, and that's my favorite lightsaber color.
I don't think the pre-order debate needs to be complicated. If a game you were excited for turns out shit, it would be just as shit if you paid for it two months in advance, on launch day, or two months after it comes out. If you know you're going to buy it ASAP, why not grab the bonuses if you're able? If not, why worry about other people doing it?
I guess I just don't see any real difference between pre-ordering a game and pre-sales for movies.
Pre-Sales for a movie buys you a seat or a time to go at the very least. Quantities of that are limited. Pre-sales for physical copies of Call of Duty Modern Warfare are NOT a realistically limited resource. And you can even pre-order digital copies, which are LITERALLY an unlimited resource.
You're talking to a guy who drove all around the second-biggest city in the state looking for a copy of The Outer Worlds the day after it came out. Spoiler: It didn't go well. :P
But, even assuming that pre-orders/sales were only about limited supply, why would that make pre-ordering an inherently bad or good action? I would point out that pre-ordering games gives tangible benefits that movie pre-sales do not, namely getting earlier access to the product and extra things within the product. I might buy my ticket for Rise of Skywalker as soon as it's available, but that doesn't mean I get a coffee hangout with John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. Which would be fucking cool, if any Disney executives happen to be reading random video game forum threads.
Like, I can understand not wanting to pre-order games. I think Early Access games—where you're really paying to be a beta tester—is shady bordering on fraudulent. But I don't understand why simple pre-ordering is bad or good for the industry.
The "extra things" in games aren't extra. They're removed things from the full price product. Just another bullshit monetization practice. The console versions of Sonic Generations NEVER got the Casino Night DLC for example. They just permanently damaged the game to get $5 from people a month early.
If there were no pre-orders, it still would not be in the game because there would be no monetary reason to include it. Pre-order stuff isn't things cut from the game that would have been included, its things that were already cut from the game that management throws a couple of developers on to get finished after the game has already been content locked. No pre-orders, those developers would just be fired to save money and the content would never see the light of day. You just wouldn't know it ever existed.
This is baloney. The pre-orders aren't extra money. They don't generate a SINGLE extra dollar. Where does this profit to hire extra devs who would otherwise be fired come from?
Edit, tone too hostile, rephrasing. That's not how budgeting works. If you'd think about that, you'd realize it's nonsense. You guys are buying into an industry marketing hoax in the same neighborhood of "it's just cosmetic!" or "you can earn it all in the game without spending a single penny!"
They're not extra money, they are guaranteed money. Preorders are profit they know they have and can take to their big shareholders and investors. They are 100% a money driven existence and tossing some extremely minor cut content back into the game to help grab some guaranteed cash flow is the sole reason preorder bonuses exist. That stuff would just remain cut if it didn't help the bottom line. Management doesn't care about anything but money, and they won't spend money to put already cut stuff back in the game if it didnt help them with that money.
Also, the "profit" comes from increased value of company stock and getting a better deal from investors to get loans.
I still pre-order everything because the pros far outweigh the cons still for me.
I get that's not for everyone but the whole telling other people not to do what's better for themselves because it's not better for you is sooooo tired.
I'm not even getting this game and I agree with this general sentiment.
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On topic:
The game is getting data-mined so lots of spoilers out there if you want them, if not be careful!
The one and only thing I looked at was the saber colors.
Still want to see both purple and indigo in game to decide between those too. I like the slightly dark nature of the indigo but I want to make sure it has enough of a purple-y vibe otherwise I'll stick to regular purple.
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There are so many games I want coming out in a short period of time...Gonna wait until Black Friday to see which ones I can get discounted.
The game is getting data-mined so lots of spoilers out there if you want them, if not be careful!
The one and only thing I looked at was the saber colors.
List below!
Blue
Green
Cyan
Indigo
Magenta
Orange
Purple
Yellow
No ifs, ands or buts:
Magenta 4 lyfe!
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Purple all day. Purple lightsabers are my shit. I used them in KoToR and ToR, and I'm getting a tattoo of a Jedi with a purple lightsaber on my right arm.
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I'm just now finishing up RDR2, and I have a huge backlog, not to mention Game Pass games, also I want Death Stranding... So...
Yeah I'm still interested but can wait for like a 10-15 dollar sale, maybe this holiday
I get that's not for everyone but the whole telling other people not to do what's better for themselves because it's not better for you is sooooo tired.
While it does seem that games quickly enter the Sale phase, I expect that Fallen Order will remain at full price for a while, barring a catastrophic initial sales period. And I say this because it's part of various holiday console bundles, which would logically inhibit publishers from reducing the cost of the individual item.
Yeah, but there's often deals that give gift cards I can maybe turn around and apply to the game
Also I think one of my friends still has UGC from Best Buy so I could save like 10 right away I think
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I get what you mean, but lots of game stores now take digital returns so I think this line of thinking is a bit much
So the piles of discounts that I have personally received at no cost to myself was actually bad for me this whole time? Well shit, the more you know!
I have paid less money and gotten games of increasing quality year after year.
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I think that's what they are saying.
The people actually making the game have earned goodwill regardless of the embargo decisions being made by EA.
Sales have nothing to do with preorders as a concept. That's a bad response to what he's getting at honestly. And the thought is correct, preorders are a way to try to get people to think in terms of sunk costs before they've even bought the product. Or occasionally a way to rob consumers of some small amount of value add, such as retail exclusive pre-orders that are different at every retailer. Pretty much the ONLY things that are legitimately good for the consumer end on pre-orders are pre-loading the game to play quicker on launch day and securing a physical copy when supply is ACTUALLY limited, like with an NES Classic say.
If you're planning on playing on PC, it's part of EA Access, so you can just pay $15 for the month and play it.
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I don't think the pre-order debate needs to be complicated. If a game you were excited for turns out shit, it would be just as shit if you paid for it two months in advance, on launch day, or two months after it comes out. If you know you're going to buy it ASAP, why not grab the bonuses if you're able? If not, why worry about other people doing it?
I guess I just don't see any real difference between pre-ordering a game and pre-sales for movies.
Pre-Sales for a movie buys you a seat or a time to go at the very least. Quantities of that are limited. Pre-sales for physical copies of Call of Duty Modern Warfare are NOT a realistically limited resource. And you can even pre-order digital copies, which are LITERALLY an unlimited resource.
And I'll still pre order games for various reasons. I pre ordered Rage 2 because I'm an id software fanboy, and I wanted the BFG 9000 and Settlers Pistol. I pre ordered Assassins Creed Odyssey because uPlay let me spend points (which I have nothing else to spend them on) to get 20% off the pre order. I pre ordered The Division 2 for the same reason.
If you don't like pre ordering, hey, that's fine. But it's shitty to dump on people who do because they have their own reasons.
You're talking to a guy who drove all around the second-biggest city in the state looking for a copy of The Outer Worlds the day after it came out. Spoiler: It didn't go well. :P
But, even assuming that pre-orders/sales were only about limited supply, why would that make pre-ordering an inherently bad or good action? I would point out that pre-ordering games gives tangible benefits that movie pre-sales do not, namely getting earlier access to the product and extra things within the product. I might buy my ticket for Rise of Skywalker as soon as it's available, but that doesn't mean I get a coffee hangout with John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. Which would be fucking cool, if any Disney executives happen to be reading random video game forum threads.
Like, I can understand not wanting to pre-order games. I think Early Access games—where you're really paying to be a beta tester—is shady bordering on fraudulent. But I don't understand why simple pre-ordering is bad or good for the industry.
Both cases make sense as spoilers would harm both products. But internet going to rage either way.
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The "extra things" in games aren't extra. They're removed things from the full price product. Just another bullshit monetization practice. The console versions of Sonic Generations NEVER got the Casino Night DLC for example. They just permanently damaged the game to get $5 from people a month early.
Eh, that depends.
Like the BFG and Settler Pistol in Rage 2 I'm certain weren't cut content, since they actually don't have all of the functionality of other weapons. Other weapons have full upgrade trees, while the pre order weapons are just as-is. Even the new weapon in the first DLC has an upgrade tree. That tells me they just had a couple of artists whip up the model, textures and animations, set some statistics and called it a day because they were pre order bonuses.
I'd wager most of it just disappears if pre order bonuses go away rather than base games getting more content.
If there were no pre-orders, it still would not be in the game because there would be no monetary reason to include it. Pre-order stuff isn't things cut from the game that would have been included, its things that were already cut from the game that management throws a couple of developers on to get finished after the game has already been content locked. No pre-orders, those developers would just be fired to save money and the content would never see the light of day. You just wouldn't know it ever existed.
This is baloney. The pre-orders aren't extra money. They don't generate a SINGLE extra dollar. Where does this profit to hire extra devs who would otherwise be fired come from?
Edit, tone too hostile, rephrasing. That's not how budgeting works. If you'd think about that, you'd realize it's nonsense. You guys are buying into an industry marketing hoax in the same neighborhood of "it's just cosmetic!" or "you can earn it all in the game without spending a single penny!"
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Resident hybrid/flap cover expert.
Yea... I don't pay anything in advance to pre-order. So you are already coming at this from the wrong angle. Thus why my original point was the cost to me is nothing. And I get advantages. And I understand the purpose of the practice which is also why I specifically said the pros(cheaper game, I know it's on my doorstep when I get home, no need for any extra effort) far outweigh the cons(potentially shitty companies using the practice to take advantage in ways that don't affect me).
I'm aware of what people are saying is the bad part but I very specifically said *for me* it is better. Objectively better for me, maybe not for you.
They're not extra money, they are guaranteed money. Preorders are profit they know they have and can take to their big shareholders and investors. They are 100% a money driven existence and tossing some extremely minor cut content back into the game to help grab some guaranteed cash flow is the sole reason preorder bonuses exist. That stuff would just remain cut if it didn't help the bottom line. Management doesn't care about anything but money, and they won't spend money to put already cut stuff back in the game if it didnt help them with that money.
Also, the "profit" comes from increased value of company stock and getting a better deal from investors to get loans.
I'm not even getting this game and I agree with this general sentiment.
The game is getting data-mined so lots of spoilers out there if you want them, if not be careful!
The one and only thing I looked at was the saber colors.
List below!
Green
Cyan
Indigo
Magenta
Orange
Purple
Yellow
Me likey.
It’s a little surprising that there’s no white considering Ashoka’s popularity.
Icons of colors here to get an idea: https://imgur.com/a/wCwxQeQ
No ifs, ands or buts:
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Yeah I'm a ROTJ saber fan.
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I'd pay a shitload for