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[2020 Election] Math is Dead

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    From earlier in the day, but I missed it:




    NEW: I’m told that President Trump can’t get his messaging straight on counting the votes because he doesn’t understand what “stop the count” means. On a call this morning, an adviser had to explain to him that if they stopped counting votes right now, he would lose the election.

    I’m told that on the phone call this morning, Trump said he assumed people knew that by “stop the count” he didn’t mean he wanted to stop the count. The adviser had to explain to him that actually people figured he meant he wanted to stop the count when he said “stop the count.”

    Olivia Nuzzi is a Washington correspondent for New York Magazine.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    The only way I feel like he loses a substantial portion of his minions is if the bank actually forecloses on all his properties and he ends up completely penniless

    even in that case, he'll still be able to draw joel osteen sized crowds, but his national power and influence will probably fall apart
    He has enough property and real estate that he wouldn't end up penniless. I read some article saying that he wouldn't be penniless since he can liquidate his assets, but he'd certainly lose a ton of his businesses around the world.

    If he has to liquidate businesses to pay DB he's not going to be getting the inflated prices he claims for them. For one thing, most of them are money pits during good times. For two, they're almost all hospitality and leisure and we're in a global pandemic. He may very well wind up having to declare bankruptcy again in 2022.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    per NBC as many as 8,900 overseas ballots possible in GA, but they have to arrive by tomorrow so we won't know the total for sure until then

    Many of those will likely be uniformed military and family votes, which federally had until Friday to arrive.

    I will, indeed, laugh hysterically if the families of deployed military, and the military themselves, vote this fucker out.

    Those submarine sailors in Guam. The ones who had their Captain fired and disparaged? They're gonna vote you out, Donald. The soldiers in Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan who saw you leave behind the Kurds? They're gonna vote you out.

    Those of us living abroad, to have for four long long long years had to answer the question of "what the ever loving fuck?" And "Why?!?!?!" We are going to vote your ass out.

    And it's going to be the difference. And we're never going to be taken for granted again

    Ok we are, but still.

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  • JaysonFourJaysonFour Classy Monster Kitteh Registered User regular
    From earlier in the day, but I missed it:




    NEW: I’m told that President Trump can’t get his messaging straight on counting the votes because he doesn’t understand what “stop the count” means. On a call this morning, an adviser had to explain to him that if they stopped counting votes right now, he would lose the election.

    I’m told that on the phone call this morning, Trump said he assumed people knew that by “stop the count” he didn’t mean he wanted to stop the count. The adviser had to explain to him that actually people figured he meant he wanted to stop the count when he said “stop the count.”

    Olivia Nuzzi is a Washington correspondent for New York Magazine.

    God, Donald sounds like me. His brain has to be absolutely fried right now, I imagine it’s the consistency of that cheese you pour on baked potatoes.

    Did the thought he could lose even cross his mind?

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    JaysonFour wrote: »
    From earlier in the day, but I missed it:




    NEW: I’m told that President Trump can’t get his messaging straight on counting the votes because he doesn’t understand what “stop the count” means. On a call this morning, an adviser had to explain to him that if they stopped counting votes right now, he would lose the election.

    I’m told that on the phone call this morning, Trump said he assumed people knew that by “stop the count” he didn’t mean he wanted to stop the count. The adviser had to explain to him that actually people figured he meant he wanted to stop the count when he said “stop the count.”

    Olivia Nuzzi is a Washington correspondent for New York Magazine.

    God, Donald sounds like me. His brain has to be absolutely fried right now, I imagine it’s the consistency of that cheese you pour on baked potatoes.

    Did the thought he could lose even cross his mind?

    Hey wouldn't have bothered to try and smear Biden if it hadn't.

  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    The only way I feel like he loses a substantial portion of his minions is if the bank actually forecloses on all his properties and he ends up completely penniless

    even in that case, he'll still be able to draw joel osteen sized crowds, but his national power and influence will probably fall apart
    He has enough property and real estate that he wouldn't end up penniless. I read some article saying that he wouldn't be penniless since he can liquidate his assets, but he'd certainly lose a ton of his businesses around the world.

    It really depends how much the wolves go at him

    With Biden being president, I would imagine all of his business interests in China are about to run into a "The party has more to gain by pleasing the incoming American president" problem because autocracy is a bitch

    He's also stolen a ton of money from the government, and probably made a huge profit as well on foreign officials using his properties to butter him up. I can't see a normal person possibly still being in any sort of debt after everything he's done. Of course, Trump isn't a normal person.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    JaysonFour wrote: »
    From earlier in the day, but I missed it:




    NEW: I’m told that President Trump can’t get his messaging straight on counting the votes because he doesn’t understand what “stop the count” means. On a call this morning, an adviser had to explain to him that if they stopped counting votes right now, he would lose the election.

    I’m told that on the phone call this morning, Trump said he assumed people knew that by “stop the count” he didn’t mean he wanted to stop the count. The adviser had to explain to him that actually people figured he meant he wanted to stop the count when he said “stop the count.”

    Olivia Nuzzi is a Washington correspondent for New York Magazine.

    God, Donald sounds like me. His brain has to be absolutely fried right now, I imagine it’s the consistency of that cheese you pour on baked potatoes.

    Did the thought he could lose even cross his mind?

    He’s Ozzy Osbourne‘d his brain?

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  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1324585201654210560

    6k more votes in Arizona slightly expands Biden’s lead

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  • htmhtm Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    So its 6 am over here and its over 1100 new posts in the thread... where are we right now and did something happen in the past 6-7 hours?

    Georgia is inching to the point where Biden overtakes Trump, and it should happen within the hour (although it's possible the SoS has stopped updating numbers).

    Pennsylvania is continuing to get closer as well, and is looking to not be even close in the end.

    From Robert Wright, a Buddhist anti-Eschatologist:

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    Assuming this works out for Biden, I fully expect that Trump and his kids will claim the election was stolen for the rest of their lives.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    The best scenario would be trump fleeing the country

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2020
    htm wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    So its 6 am over here and its over 1100 new posts in the thread... where are we right now and did something happen in the past 6-7 hours?

    Georgia is inching to the point where Biden overtakes Trump, and it should happen within the hour (although it's possible the SoS has stopped updating numbers).

    Pennsylvania is continuing to get closer as well, and is looking to not be even close in the end.

    From Robert Wright, a Buddhist anti-Eschatologist:


    Zeno had a lot of paradoxes!

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  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    I hate to say it, because it won’t be popular, but the best way to fend off fascism globally has been for the left and non-fascist center-right to work together. I don’t know how feasible that is in the US.

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    The best scenario would be trump fleeing the country

    Maybe not from a national security perspective, depending on where he goes.

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    I hate to say it, because it won’t be popular, but the best way to fend off fascism globally has been for the left and non-fascist center-right to work together. I don’t know how feasible that is in the US.

    Arguably it's already happening.

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  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    From earlier in the day, but I missed it:




    NEW: I’m told that President Trump can’t get his messaging straight on counting the votes because he doesn’t understand what “stop the count” means. On a call this morning, an adviser had to explain to him that if they stopped counting votes right now, he would lose the election.

    I’m told that on the phone call this morning, Trump said he assumed people knew that by “stop the count” he didn’t mean he wanted to stop the count. The adviser had to explain to him that actually people figured he meant he wanted to stop the count when he said “stop the count.”

    Olivia Nuzzi is a Washington correspondent for New York Magazine.

    Oh my god this is like the dumbest thing I've read in a long time

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  • htmhtm Registered User regular
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    The best scenario would be trump fleeing the country

    He's going to end up in FL. And really, that's kind of where he belongs.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    Doc wrote: »
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    The best scenario would be trump fleeing the country

    Maybe not from a national security perspective, depending on where he goes.

    I mean from the standpoint of taking all the wind out of his cult

    Trump abandoning them is the only thing I think could possibly work

    fuck all of America's secrets, small price to pay for that, especially because he only will remember classified information that was presented in image form

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    Win again.

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  • wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    Um can someone explain Zeno's paradox?

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    My greatest hope for Biden is that he staffs the entire justice department with pitbulls that were fired or resigned under Trump in positions of immense power and tells them that nothing is off the table

    Fuck lets send an inquisition the Senate's way, if we turn everything over and shake it I bet we'll find lots of crime

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  • htmhtm Registered User regular


    Fuck you, Nate Silver. You're not nearly sexy enough to get away with teasing me like that.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    I hate to say it, because it won’t be popular, but the best way to fend off fascism globally has been for the left and non-fascist center-right to work together. I don’t know how feasible that is in the US.

    IMO, you're describing the modern Democratic Party.

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  • GSMGSM Registered User regular
    Um can someone explain Zeno's paradox?

    Sorry, I can't, because to explain it I'd have to explain the first half of it, and to explain that I'd have to explain the first half of that...

    We'll get back there someday.
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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Um can someone explain Zeno's paradox?

    This one is probably talking about Achilles and the tortoise or the issue with dividing something to be increasingly small.

    Basically it’s impossible to move at all because in order to go a distance, you must first go half the distance. And so forth, and so forth, and so forth.

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  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    I hate to say it, because it won’t be popular, but the best way to fend off fascism globally has been for the left and non-fascist center-right to work together. I don’t know how feasible that is in the US.

    IMO, you're describing the modern Democratic Party.

    As someone who is comfortable calling myself center-right, I can confirm, I joined your our party yesterday. I haven't been an official R since Bush's first term... but this? The republican party died to me this week. I'm done with them.

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  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    I hate to say it, because it won’t be popular, but the best way to fend off fascism globally has been for the left and non-fascist center-right to work together. I don’t know how feasible that is in the US.

    IMO, you're describing the modern Democratic Party.


    See, I knew that would be the response. But if you really want to make sure the fascist uprising is stamped out, you would have to eat some real, true shitburgers like allying with someone like Romney or even Rubio.

    If that’s unpalatable to the American left, and I’m pretty sure it is, then you just have to make sure you don’t lose. We didn’t lose this time, soon we can start working on next time.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    The only way I feel like he loses a substantial portion of his minions is if the bank actually forecloses on all his properties and he ends up completely penniless

    even in that case, he'll still be able to draw joel osteen sized crowds, but his national power and influence will probably fall apart
    He has enough property and real estate that he wouldn't end up penniless. I read some article saying that he wouldn't be penniless since he can liquidate his assets, but he'd certainly lose a ton of his businesses around the world.

    It really depends how much the wolves go at him

    With Biden being president, I would imagine all of his business interests in China are about to run into a "The party has more to gain by pleasing the incoming American president" problem because autocracy is a bitch

    It's worth remembering that after his failure in Atlantic City, his creditors had put him on a number of restrictions, including an actual allowance. Again, his nature as a belligerent litigator used to make just making deals the path of least resistance - but with the investigations coming down the pike, that may no longer hold true.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Um can someone explain Zeno's paradox?

    Before a an arrow can fly a meter, it has to fly half a meter.

    Before an arrow can fly half a meter, it has to fly 1/4 meter.

    Before an arrow can fly 1/4 meter, it has to fly 1/8 meter.

    Repeat repeat repeat repeat.

    Therefore, a fired arrow will never reach its destination because there's always a shorter distance it needs to travel first. It's a demonstration of reductio ad absurdum, or proving by contradiction. We can never reach our destination because we must always get slightly closer to it first.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Um can someone explain Zeno's paradox?

    This one is probably talking about Achilles and the tortoise or the issue with dividing something to be increasingly small.

    Basically it’s impossible to move at all because in order to go a distance, you must first go half the distance. And so forth, and so forth, and so forth.

    The little brother road trip principle.

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  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1324588693923995649

    Another tiny Georgia update nets 300. The closer we get, the smaller the updates

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  • MvrckMvrck Registered User regular
    So per the PA SoS website, we should be expecting 12.5k votes to drop at some point among Lehigh, Bucks and Delaware Counties. It updated about 15 minutes ago, but I haven't seen any movement on trackers yet.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    The arrow paradox was specifically about the illusion of motion and was only really solved with relativity, from what I can remember of my PHL 110 class

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    The only way I feel like he loses a substantial portion of his minions is if the bank actually forecloses on all his properties and he ends up completely penniless

    even in that case, he'll still be able to draw joel osteen sized crowds, but his national power and influence will probably fall apart
    He has enough property and real estate that he wouldn't end up penniless. I read some article saying that he wouldn't be penniless since he can liquidate his assets, but he'd certainly lose a ton of his businesses around the world.

    It really depends how much the wolves go at him

    With Biden being president, I would imagine all of his business interests in China are about to run into a "The party has more to gain by pleasing the incoming American president" problem because autocracy is a bitch

    It's worth remembering that after his failure in Atlantic City, his creditors had put him on a number of restrictions, including an actual allowance. Again, his nature as a belligerent litigator used to make just making deals the path of least resistance - but with the investigations coming down the pike, that may no longer hold true.

    Also, all his lawyers are in jail or are Rudy Giuliani. Any new firm to handle his business are going to want to get paid up front because of his other reputation.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Um can someone explain Zeno's paradox?

    A person chases the tortoise, and goes half the distance, but the turtle moves forward. Guy goes half the distance, turtle moves forward a bit. Guy moves half distance, turtle goes forward a bit. Mathematically, Guy never reaches tortoise.

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  • OrcaOrca Registered User regular
    The arrow paradox was specifically about the illusion of motion and was only really solved with relativity, from what I can remember of my PHL 110 class

    O_o

    You couldn't like...watch an actual arrow fly?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Orca wrote: »
    The arrow paradox was specifically about the illusion of motion and was only really solved with relativity, from what I can remember of my PHL 110 class

    O_o

    You couldn't like...watch an actual arrow fly?

    Oh and I suppose you would just catch up to the tortoise too? Madness

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  • Red RaevynRed Raevyn because I only take Bubble Baths Registered User regular
    Doc wrote: »
    I strongly disagree, Trump is a cult of personality, he is going to wrap himself in a persecution complex and I'd lay money that he's still going to draw massive crowds

    The entire Fascist mindset before taking power is that they were in power in the past because they deserve to be and some degenerates stole what is theirs. What we are witnessing is a possible origin story for a fascist party in the next few years.

    Not sure how we stop it though since the accusations of cheating are based on literally nothing.

    The best scenario would be trump fleeing the country

    Maybe not from a national security perspective, depending on where he goes.

    I mean from the standpoint of taking all the wind out of his cult

    Trump abandoning them is the only thing I think could possibly work

    fuck all of America's secrets, small price to pay for that, especially because he only will remember classified information that was presented in image form
    Yeah seriously, the guy is so stupid, short sighted and virtually illiterate I can't imagine him carrying anything in his orange head, much less a state secret.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    I have to say this whole thing has felt pretty surreal. Over the past year, Covid-19 and the Trump administration have sort of blended together in my head as things that are horrible but will (hopefully) eventually be over. Thinking about the serious possibility of Trump continuing to be president for another four years just kind of left me feeling empty inside.

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