It's the protagonist and villain confronting each other with their powers, clashing directly, and the protagonist winning because he has the more powerful powers / the "stronger will" / true love / etc
This reads exactly the same to me as the end of Rise of Skywalker or the climax in Captain Marvel or whenever Ryu hadokens someone else's hadoken
This isn't like the end of Rise of Skywalker because it didn't give me the confusion of one lone guy yelling "WHOO!!!" and applauding after the credits while everyone else was like "what the fuck is going on in that poor man's head?"
"Mommy Two Sabers" was the only part of that movie that had any kind of lasting impact in my social circles
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I didn't enjoy how much the big climactic battle in Endgame was 100% an arbitrary plot contrivance
Everything in entertainment is an arbitrary plot contrivance.
Yeah but this was more arbitrary than most
It was a big punchup at the end of a comic book movie.
Arbitrary is directly the opposite of what it was.
It was total happenstance that Thanos would end up showing up at the end, he was mostly there because of bad luck, and what he wanted to do and why didn't really make any sense he was just angry that guys from a different timeline did time travel about the plan he otherwise had? And his new plan makes how dumb his original plan is even way more obvious!
It wasn't really happenstance, the why of it happening made sense.
And they were the proof his plan was a failure and that people would not, in fact, hail him as a savior like he thought they would. So yes, his plan was bad, but most mass murder plans are bad.
It's thin, but there's enough connective tissue that it makes sense and wasn't just random.
It's the protagonist and villain confronting each other with their powers, clashing directly, and the protagonist winning because he has the more powerful powers / the "stronger will" / true love / etc
This reads exactly the same to me as the end of Rise of Skywalker or the climax in Captain Marvel or whenever Ryu hadokens someone else's hadoken
This isn't like the end of Rise of Skywalker because it didn't give me the confusion of one lone guy yelling "WHOO!!!" and applauding after the credits while everyone else was like "what the fuck is going on in that poor man's head?"
Oh man. That plants quite an image in my head.
It petered out in an extremely uncomfortable way as it became clear to him that everyone else didn't just watch the best movie of their lives, and it became clear to everyone else that it was obvious to him that we'd all love it and be clapping with him.
It was like the Office humor social cringe happening, but I couldn't turn off the TV.
The actual nitty gritty details of the accords don't matter, which is why the movie mostly just blows right past providing any details. it's about these two characters and their internal motivations colliding with each other. Each feels the need to atone for their previous errors by reversing how they've acted in the past. That brings them into conflict with each other. The story doesn't care about "who's right," the story doesn't care about the merits of the accords overall, it's about the characters emotions and attempts to fix what they see as previous mistakes.
Debating over "who's right" kinda just seems like missing the forest for the trees.
but that's just it - they set up an interesting philosophical & personal conflict, and then waved it away when they were able to prove that bucky was framed all along, and then created a second, stupider personal conflict so they could still do the Big Fight At The End.
Sony had the XMen license for a long time and did not have nearly the sort of discipline that marvel studios had.
the first xmen movie was groundbreaking and the second one i remember as also being pretty good. of course they also put out some really bad movies.
but Logan is among the best the genre has to offer, and I liked a whole lot about XMen First Class
some of the failures - like the unfortunate New Mutants - were at least kind of interesting in what they seemed like they were trying to do
some of the failures - like xmen 3 - were just regular failures.
i guess what i'm saying is that i'd rather have ambitious failures and occasional interesting successes than reliably pretty-good-but-samey genre staples
of course the people spending and collecting the money want exactly the opposite thing!
(Psst. Fox, not Sony.)
Yeah, I agree. Fox's willingness to experiment (no pun intended) with the X-Men franchise worked well in their favor. They weren't bothering to establish much continuity outside of the two theatrical trilogies. They treated the source material as a general mythos rather than a canonical history.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
I don't remember anyone having a beam fight at all in Legion
At the end of s1 they kind run at each other and explode at the end of a big climactic fight that the protagonist wins because he believes in himself or something? It's basically a beam fight
Uh
Doesn't
Sid kiss David to do a body swap and get Farouk to transfer and then Farouk basically body hops around between each person until ending up in the flight of the concords guy?
I don't remember what you're describing at all but maybe all of these things happen
They're not using projectiles, but it's exactly the same trope, and it's super goofy and jarring in a show like this
A beam fight would be them hitting each other and then grunting and yelling for a while and then one triumphs, ie a dumb and stupid trope that is never interesting
This is a superior force banishing a hostile intruder, he’s just immediately stronger. The end. Shadow king is a weakened parasite. He later gets his groove back and so can force a fight like that.
The protagonist just flatly winning because he's stronger is the trope of a beam fight. It's not as drawn out, but the dramatic (and very goofy) slowmo charge as their powers build up around them serves the exact same function. That's pretty boring, and it's boring here, I think.
He doesnt win though. He thinks he wins because he's all strength that he doesnt understand. Its a running theme for David. You're stretching beam fight past usefulness.
It's been a couple of years, but IIRC he won that confrontation, even if he didn't destroy his opponent. If he hadn't temporarily stopped him there, things could have gone much worse. I definitely did not get the impression from the show that this was a loss for David, that David thought he had fully destroyed him, or that this was the result of a grand ruse or deception by SK. This was the SK failing and being defeated, a setback to his plans, but he is retreating to try again. I would describe that as a legitimate win in a legitimate climactic battle, and as such it was unsatisfyingly shallow.
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The actual nitty gritty details of the accords don't matter, which is why the movie mostly just blows right past providing any details. it's about these two characters and their internal motivations colliding with each other. Each feels the need to atone for their previous errors by reversing how they've acted in the past. That brings them into conflict with each other. The story doesn't care about "who's right," the story doesn't care about the merits of the accords overall, it's about the characters emotions and attempts to fix what they see as previous mistakes.
Debating over "who's right" kinda just seems like missing the forest for the trees.
but that's just it - they set up an interesting philosophical & personal conflict, and then waved it away when they were able to prove that bucky was framed all along, and then created a second, stupider personal conflict so they could still do the Big Fight At The End.
I can see hints of Kana's reading, particularly with Tony's motivation, but I'd still argue that it was weakly-developed. They just didn't give the talky bits enough screen time to really flesh out any characterization IMO.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
I would watch a movie or show about Thanos and how he's just kind of a big crazy idiot who's really, really, really strong and confident, and how that 100% plausibly led to a position of intergalactic leadership and power even though his policies are very bad
He looked great on the galactic debate stage, it really resonated with voters
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I would watch a movie or show about Thanos and how he's just kind of a big crazy idiot who's really, really, really strong and confident, and how that 100% plausibly led to a position of intergalactic leadership and power even though his policies are very bad
He looked great on the galactic debate stage, it really resonated with voters
All the intergalactic news agencies were like "This was the day he finally was presidential."
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"Mommy Two Sabers" was the only part of that movie that had any kind of lasting impact in my social circles
It wasn't really happenstance, the why of it happening made sense.
And they were the proof his plan was a failure and that people would not, in fact, hail him as a savior like he thought they would. So yes, his plan was bad, but most mass murder plans are bad.
It's thin, but there's enough connective tissue that it makes sense and wasn't just random.
And queered. A lot sexier and a lot queerer.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Thikk starfish there
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
You all know I'm in like 12 different tabletop RPGs with one of the mods right?
There's a pretty banal joke about a blacklight in Starlord's ship and as boring as it is it stands out shockingly from the movies as a whole.
Someone always gets pregnant and has a weird psychic death baby or something
It petered out in an extremely uncomfortable way as it became clear to him that everyone else didn't just watch the best movie of their lives, and it became clear to everyone else that it was obvious to him that we'd all love it and be clapping with him.
It was like the Office humor social cringe happening, but I couldn't turn off the TV.
There was that one account of something biting down and through her braces when Michael B Jordan took his shirt off.
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that's more or less my xmans opinions
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chaste my ass
Not doing sleep sacks?
Come Overwatch with meeeee
Dude I never saw that one
I gotta watch it sooner or later
but that's just it - they set up an interesting philosophical & personal conflict, and then waved it away when they were able to prove that bucky was framed all along, and then created a second, stupider personal conflict so they could still do the Big Fight At The End.
(Psst. Fox, not Sony.)
Yeah, I agree. Fox's willingness to experiment (no pun intended) with the X-Men franchise worked well in their favor. They weren't bothering to establish much continuity outside of the two theatrical trilogies. They treated the source material as a general mythos rather than a canonical history.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I watched it again a few weeks ago and it is very fun!
praise me if you must but please, one at a time and form an orderly line
I mean avengers are a fairly unsexy property
X-men should be indefensible telenovella sexy trash though for sure
hold him down it's time to inject Winter Soldier
It's been a couple of years, but IIRC he won that confrontation, even if he didn't destroy his opponent. If he hadn't temporarily stopped him there, things could have gone much worse. I definitely did not get the impression from the show that this was a loss for David, that David thought he had fully destroyed him, or that this was the result of a grand ruse or deception by SK. This was the SK failing and being defeated, a setback to his plans, but he is retreating to try again. I would describe that as a legitimate win in a legitimate climactic battle, and as such it was unsatisfyingly shallow.
even Ant Man And The Wasp - clearly intended to paint-by-numbers on the MCU outline with a romantic comedy palette - was really emotionally blank
I can see hints of Kana's reading, particularly with Tony's motivation, but I'd still argue that it was weakly-developed. They just didn't give the talky bits enough screen time to really flesh out any characterization IMO.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
4 point motherfucking 2 sigma
you go you spicy muons
He looked great on the galactic debate stage, it really resonated with voters
is this the 5th fundamental force thing?
Clearly what we need is an ensemble comedy-drama with the Avengers on molly
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
did we break reality yet and unleash the gates to interdimensional aliens
They can't silence all of us!
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-standard-model-of-physics-now-broken/
listen she told me it happens to every drive once in a while and it's no big deal
I shaved, and I think I need to get some face gains before I do that again
mask time
never gonna get to uranus with that attitude