I think it's good to challenge your habits every once in a while.
Perhaps not so much when said habits are fun and perfectly harmless.
On the last page, YosemiteSam said something to the effect of "masturbating too much is mentally unhealthy". I do have to wonder where that little factoid came from; I know many people of both genders who masturbate excessively because it's hugely enjoyable and much cheaper than, say, going to the cinema or drinking yourself blind. Not one of them is mentally unwell, not even in the purely batshit moral sense. That is, none of them are fixated on sex or have the urge to get their tackle (or tackle-ess) out in public.
I don't think it's going to cause you to be fixated on sex or go insane or something, I just think that it's a good idea to do everything in moderation. I smoke weed sometimes, I masturbate regularly, I eat dessert sometimes, I go on the Internet daily, but I think that it would be bad for me to spend too much of my time doing any of these things.
The thing about porn is simply that it's not actually quantity, it's quality. The amount of porn images I've realized I've browsed through is actually pretty huge, but not a hell of a lot of those actually do very much for me. I always find I'm looking for the one perfect image (or set) which hits the spot, so to speak.
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Bad things about Fapping I can think of:
1) Too much can cause chafing/friction burn things.
2) You might come in your eye if you're particularly unlucky and involved in a particularly hilarious set of circumstances.
3) If you do it in public, you go to gaol.
4) If you do it too much you start to get bony growths inside your wang and that hurts and I don't know what the treatment is.
It is the sexual fantasy of someone other than her or looking at pr0n that is the sin.
Figured it out...
Unless you can fap without a fantasy of someone besides your wife on your mind... yeah fappin is wrong religiously.
I believe in the Bible. I believe in God. So I feel that it is wrong to fap to porn. I sin. I feel bad about it. I still have sexual urges.
If you never fapped or had sex before marriage... the truth is that your desire to do so would be lower than if you had never done so.
So the urge to fap would be less. It is called the human libido.
Something that a lot of religious people who say that fappin is wrong will not acknowledge is that we used to, as humans, get married at a VERY young age... funny enough, the age we still hit puberty at. Culturally we are denying our bodies of something it desires. And yeah, orgasm is good for our health.
No I am not saying 13 yr olds should have sex... Because culturally that would be wrong.
I blame parents for not wanting to let go of their children. That, slowly over the course of a few thousand years, has increased the age that we do a lot of things. Start school, finish school, "leave the nest", get married.
I am currently dating a girl that I would marry tomorrow if her parents hadn't made her promise not to get married until after college. 1 year to go, and this wedding has been planned now for a while. < Proof that it happens.
When I'm extremely bored I'll probably do it too much. Otherwise I usually just do it once a day.
Although, I have to say it's really nice to just sit back and take your time every now and then. Supposedly it helps with stamina when you're having sex, but it's also just nice to show yourself a good time for a good 30 or more minutes.
Specifically as in, please cite verses. I'm curious about the actual passages.
Read Leviticus
I am not going to read that snooze-fest again.
Or, failing that, google "masturbation" and "bible".
No.
All I can find is a bit about wet dreams (or maybe just wetting your bed) in Deuteronomy.
If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp:
But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.
Specifically as in, please cite verses. I'm curious about the actual passages.
Read Leviticus
N lunactic on the plnet follows every law of leviticus
Which is a shame. Personally I don't think people are really Christians unless they follow every law in Leviticus. Especially the ones that contradict the other ones.
Specifically as in, please cite verses. I'm curious about the actual passages.
Read Leviticus
I am not going to read that snooze-fest again.
Or, failing that, google "masturbation" and "bible".
No.
All I can find is a bit about wet dreams (or maybe just wetting your bed) in Deuteronomy.
If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp:
But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.
Specifically as in, please cite verses. I'm curious about the actual passages.
Read Leviticus
N lunactic on the plnet follows every law of leviticus
Which is a shame. Personally I don't think people are really Christians unless they follow every law in Leviticus. Especially the ones that contradict the other ones.
Ya know by Levticus' laws a dude should go sleep in his toolshed everytime it's his wife's time of the month
Specifically as in, please cite verses. I'm curious about the actual passages.
Read Leviticus
N lunactic on the plnet follows every law of leviticus
Which is a shame. Personally I don't think people are really Christians unless they follow every law in Leviticus. Especially the ones that contradict the other ones.
Ya know by Levticus' laws a dude should go sleep in his toolshed everytime it's his wife's time of the month
One of the things I want to do is find every verse that talks about homosexuality being bad and then find a passage by the same author that talks about something else asinine being bad, like consuming shellfish or the like.
Believe it or not, if you're a teen guy you are being manipulated for money -- the porn industry pulls in $57 billion annually, and if they hook you by the time you're 15, they've got a customer for life. $57 billion! That's more than the annual combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC; more than what all the professional sports teams put together will earn this year.
$57 billion? Total bullshit that's overestimated by a factor of 100. Even the highest estimates by mainstream media reports claim figures closer to $7 billion. If not for the 'more money than TV networks' comment, one might be charitable and suggest that they simply misplaced the decimal point ($.57 billion by the porn industry's estimates, or $5.7 billion by CNN et al).
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.â€
Neighbor is generally in reference to anyone other than yourself.
Jeremiah 13:27 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
27 your adulteries and lustful neighings,
your shameless prostitution!
I have seen your detestable acts
on the hills and in the fields.
Woe to you, O Jerusalem!
How long will you be unclean?"
Proverbs 6:25 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
25 Do not lust in your heart after her beauty
or let her captivate you with her eyes,
I really like to stay away from arguing religion on the internet... There are many examples and quotes as to why it is a bad idea. Still though, you asked.
Specifically as in, please cite verses. I'm curious about the actual passages.
Read Leviticus
I am not going to read that snooze-fest again.
Or, failing that, google "masturbation" and "bible".
No.
All I can find is a bit about wet dreams (or maybe just wetting your bed) in Deuteronomy.
If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp:
But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.
Those first two verses don't have anything to say about masturbation specifically- they are making an assumption that it is lumped in with "whoremongers and adulterers".
The verse about Job... meh. Job is just a big made-up morality tale (and a terrible one, at that). Whoever wrote it is not on the same level as those claiming to be quoting God's actual laws given to Moses or quoting the words of Jesus.
The Matthew 5:28 verse... okay. that's specific enough.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart"
It's also an example of what a crock this system of morality is. Just thinking about something is as bad as doing the actual deed!
The rest of that article is all about how to "save yourself" from the perversion, so it's not really applicable to the discussion, but I really like that they claim that God never tempts people. It's right there in The Lord's Prayer...
Can anyone tell me why it's wrong to masturbate, then? Don't say "Because you're lusting". That's just leasd to the question of why is lusting bad? Please don't say "Because god says it's bad", because that doesn't answer anything, either.
One of the things I want to do is find every verse that talks about homosexuality being bad and then find a passage by the same author that talks about something else asinine being bad, like consuming shellfish or the like.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart"
Yeah, that whole idea is mostly asinine.
But I tell you that anyone who think of spending money has spent money!
One of the things I want to do is find every verse that talks about homosexuality being bad and then find a passage by the same author that talks about something else asinine being bad, like consuming shellfish or the like.
If you did not desire anything, then you would not be motivated to do anything.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/covet
1. to desire wrongfully, inordinately, or without due regard for the rights of others: to covet another's property.
2. to wish for, esp. eagerly: He won the prize they all coveted.
–verb (used without object) 3. to have an inordinate or wrongful desire.
If you did not desire anything, then you would not be motivated to do anything.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/covet
1. to desire wrongfully, inordinately, or without due regard for the rights of others: to covet another's property.
2. to wish for, esp. eagerly: He won the prize they all coveted.
–verb (used without object) 3. to have an inordinate or wrongful desire.
There's a difference between "want" and "covet"
Well, so much for that philosophical musing.
But hey, it's okay if I masturbate to this here pornography: I'm not coveting the actress; my wish to have sex with her is a perfectly ordinate want with due regard to others. (We can take turns.)
Masturbation without lust after someone who isnt your wife is ok. It is the lust after someone that makes it bad.
See my post on the last page. Why is it bad.
Because the bible says so.
I mean, if you're looking for a reasoned argument within the context of religion for why God says something is bad you're fundamentally misunderstanding your own question.
There isn't a reasoned argument for why anything is uncontextually bad.
If you did not desire anything, then you would not be motivated to do anything.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/covet
1. to desire wrongfully, inordinately, or without due regard for the rights of others: to covet another's property.
2. to wish for, esp. eagerly: He won the prize they all coveted.
–verb (used without object) 3. to have an inordinate or wrongful desire.
There's a difference between "want" and "covet"
Well, so much for that philosophical musing.
But hey, it's okay if I masturbate to this here pornography: I'm not coveting the actress; my wish to have sex with her is a perfectly ordinate want with due regard to others. (We can take turns.)
If you want to argue semantics that's fine. I was just saying that "want" and "covet" are not the same thing.
Masturbation without lust after someone who isnt your wife is ok. It is the lust after someone that makes it bad.
See my post on the last page. Why is it bad.
Because the bible says so.
I mean, if you're looking for a reasoned argument within the context of religion for why God says something is bad you're fundamentally misunderstanding your own question.
There isn't a reasoned argument for why anything is uncontextually bad.
It doesn't need to be in the context of religion- in fact, if it were outside the context of religion, it would be even more applicable to point to it and say "this is why God doesn't approve".
And no, I don't want to debate semantics. I was making a joke.
But hey, it's okay if I masturbate to this here pornography: I'm not coveting the actress; my wish to have sex with her is a perfectly ordinate want with due regard to others. (We can take turns.)
Taking Christianity out of it... sure.
The reason the bible says that lusting is wrong is because you begin to covet.
Coveting causes separation from God.
Why? Because coveting means that you want something more than you want God.
The story of Abraham and his son...
Obedience to Gods will is proof of love from us to God. That is in a nutshell why some laws are there if you want a why to some of the commandments in the Bible. Not obeying them, in Christianity, is essentially someone saying no to God.
These are generally the ones people defend by saying "because god said not to." Yes they go against our nature. That is the point.
Some of them are actually there for are well being.
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1) Too much can cause chafing/friction burn things.
2) You might come in your eye if you're particularly unlucky and involved in a particularly hilarious set of circumstances.
3) If you do it in public, you go to gaol.
4) If you do it too much you start to get bony growths inside your wang and that hurts and I don't know what the treatment is.
Those aren't growths, those are alien implants placed in your penis where they thought you wouldn't find them.
Or anyone else, for that matter.
BURN.
(sorry, I had to)
You may fap to your wife... or nothing.
It is the sexual fantasy of someone other than her or looking at pr0n that is the sin.
Figured it out...
Unless you can fap without a fantasy of someone besides your wife on your mind... yeah fappin is wrong religiously.
I believe in the Bible. I believe in God. So I feel that it is wrong to fap to porn. I sin. I feel bad about it. I still have sexual urges.
If you never fapped or had sex before marriage... the truth is that your desire to do so would be lower than if you had never done so.
So the urge to fap would be less. It is called the human libido.
Something that a lot of religious people who say that fappin is wrong will not acknowledge is that we used to, as humans, get married at a VERY young age... funny enough, the age we still hit puberty at. Culturally we are denying our bodies of something it desires. And yeah, orgasm is good for our health.
No I am not saying 13 yr olds should have sex... Because culturally that would be wrong.
I blame parents for not wanting to let go of their children. That, slowly over the course of a few thousand years, has increased the age that we do a lot of things. Start school, finish school, "leave the nest", get married.
I am currently dating a girl that I would marry tomorrow if her parents hadn't made her promise not to get married until after college. 1 year to go, and this wedding has been planned now for a while. < Proof that it happens.
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Depends on the context.
In catholicism masterbation is a sin because sex is for procreation, and there is no procreation in masturbation. That's the simple version.
So yeah...
DarkPrimus:
You are lusting. Lusting is specifically stated as a sin.
Although, I have to say it's really nice to just sit back and take your time every now and then. Supposedly it helps with stamina when you're having sex, but it's also just nice to show yourself a good time for a good 30 or more minutes.
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Read Leviticus
I am not going to read that snooze-fest again.
Rock Band DLC | GW:OttW - arrcd | WLD - Thortar
Or, failing that, google "masturbation" and "bible".
N lunactic on the plnet follows every law of leviticus
No.
All I can find is a bit about wet dreams (or maybe just wetting your bed) in Deuteronomy.
If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp:
But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.
Deuteronomy 23:10,11
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Which is a shame. Personally I don't think people are really Christians unless they follow every law in Leviticus. Especially the ones that contradict the other ones.
Bible.com says: http://bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=252
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
is that good?
Ya know by Levticus' laws a dude should go sleep in his toolshed everytime it's his wife's time of the month
Yup.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.â€
Neighbor is generally in reference to anyone other than yourself.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=55&chapter=5&verse=16&version=50&context=verse
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
I think that that kinda says it there...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=30&chapter=13&verse=27&version=31&context=verse
Jeremiah 13:27 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
27 your adulteries and lustful neighings,
your shameless prostitution!
I have seen your detestable acts
on the hills and in the fields.
Woe to you, O Jerusalem!
How long will you be unclean?"
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=6&verse=25&version=31&context=verse
Proverbs 6:25 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
25 Do not lust in your heart after her beauty
or let her captivate you with her eyes,
I really like to stay away from arguing religion on the internet... There are many examples and quotes as to why it is a bad idea. Still though, you asked.
Those first two verses don't have anything to say about masturbation specifically- they are making an assumption that it is lumped in with "whoremongers and adulterers".
The verse about Job... meh. Job is just a big made-up morality tale (and a terrible one, at that). Whoever wrote it is not on the same level as those claiming to be quoting God's actual laws given to Moses or quoting the words of Jesus.
The Matthew 5:28 verse... okay. that's specific enough.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart"
It's also an example of what a crock this system of morality is. Just thinking about something is as bad as doing the actual deed!
The rest of that article is all about how to "save yourself" from the perversion, so it's not really applicable to the discussion, but I really like that they claim that God never tempts people. It's right there in The Lord's Prayer...
Can anyone tell me why it's wrong to masturbate, then? Don't say "Because you're lusting". That's just leasd to the question of why is lusting bad? Please don't say "Because god says it's bad", because that doesn't answer anything, either.
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http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/homosexuality/lv18_22.html
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/what_not_to_eat/lv11_03.html
???
Yeah, that whole idea is mostly asinine.
But I tell you that anyone who think of spending money has spent money!
Well...no...actually...fuckwit...
I heart the brick testament.
Coveting is the driving force of our existence.
If you did not desire anything, then you would not be motivated to do anything.
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So... thanks for backing me up.
Masturbation without lust after someone who isnt your wife is ok. It is the lust after someone that makes it bad.
And yeah... most of the link has nothing to do with masturbation.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/covet
1. to desire wrongfully, inordinately, or without due regard for the rights of others: to covet another's property.
2. to wish for, esp. eagerly: He won the prize they all coveted.
–verb (used without object) 3. to have an inordinate or wrongful desire.
There's a difference between "want" and "covet"
See my post on the last page. Why is it bad.
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Well, so much for that philosophical musing.
But hey, it's okay if I masturbate to this here pornography: I'm not coveting the actress; my wish to have sex with her is a perfectly ordinate want with due regard to others. (We can take turns.)
Rock Band DLC | GW:OttW - arrcd | WLD - Thortar
Because the bible says so.
I mean, if you're looking for a reasoned argument within the context of religion for why God says something is bad you're fundamentally misunderstanding your own question.
There isn't a reasoned argument for why anything is uncontextually bad.
If you want to argue semantics that's fine. I was just saying that "want" and "covet" are not the same thing.
It doesn't need to be in the context of religion- in fact, if it were outside the context of religion, it would be even more applicable to point to it and say "this is why God doesn't approve".
And no, I don't want to debate semantics. I was making a joke.
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Taking Christianity out of it... sure.
The reason the bible says that lusting is wrong is because you begin to covet.
Coveting causes separation from God.
Why? Because coveting means that you want something more than you want God.
The story of Abraham and his son...
Obedience to Gods will is proof of love from us to God. That is in a nutshell why some laws are there if you want a why to some of the commandments in the Bible. Not obeying them, in Christianity, is essentially someone saying no to God.
These are generally the ones people defend by saying "because god said not to." Yes they go against our nature. That is the point.
Some of them are actually there for are well being.