If you did not desire anything, then you would not be motivated to do anything.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/covet
1. to desire wrongfully, inordinately, or without due regard for the rights of others: to covet another's property.
2. to wish for, esp. eagerly: He won the prize they all coveted.
–verb (used without object) 3. to have an inordinate or wrongful desire.
There's a difference between "want" and "covet"
I think he still has a point though.
We see other people have things and wish we had them ourselves all the damn time. Shit, man, coveting is the iPod business model.
The problem is that you lust. And covet. Even if you are doing so in regard to men. I know you are joking, but someone still had to say something right?
But hey, it's okay if I masturbate to this here pornography: I'm not coveting the actress; my wish to have sex with her is a perfectly ordinate want with due regard to others. (We can take turns.)
Taking Christianity out of it... sure.
The reason the bible says that lusting is wrong is because you begin to covet.
Coveting causes separation from God.
Why? Because coveting means that you want something more than you want God.
The story of Abraham and his son...
Obedience to Gods will is proof of love from us to God. That is in a nutshell why some laws are there if you want a why to some of the commandments in the Bible. Not obeying them, in Christianity, is essentially someone saying no to God.
These are generally the ones people defend by saying "because god said not to." Yes they go against our nature. That is the point.
Some of them are actually there for are well being.
To clarify further:
You can masturbate so long as you are not lusting after a man/woman other than your spouse. Because you are not "lusting" as they are yours.
To clarify even further... Your spouse can do so for you... (this is getting obscene...) but no one else.
It's "sinful" to masturbate because your religion thinks that everything involving sexual activity is terrible and evil- until you get married, then it's okay.
There is nothing objectively wrong with masturbating. It's a perfectly normal way to relieve sexual tension, and monkeys have been fapping long before humans even existed.
Cause monkeys are a good basis for moral standards.
It's "sinful" to masturbate because your religion thinks that everything involving sexual activity is terrible and evil- until you get married, then it's okay.
There is nothing objectively wrong with masturbating. It's a perfectly normal way to relieve sexual tension, and monkeys have been fapping long before humans even existed.
Cause monkeys are a good basis for moral standards.
Why is it a moral issue if it effects absolutely no one but yourself? Time was I could masturbate using my imagination alone.
You are lusting. Lusting is specifically stated as a sin.
This post is pure hilarity
The stigma attached to masturbation relies solely on religious codas of self-denial, demands that exist to foster obedience and break down the pursuit of individuality. As someone mentioned earlier, addiction or obsession over anything is unhealthy, and sure you could probably be doing something more productive, but denial and repression of your harmless desires will only make things worse. If you really feel that you don't want to spend your time rubbin, put some effort into finding someone else to share your urges.
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I thought it said in the bible somewhere that you'll go to hell for "wasting seed" or whatever.
Onan got in dutch with god because he ordered to knock up some chick and pulled out instead. The problem was disobedience, not self-indulgence. Relating that passage to wanking is a common misinterpretation. That aside, there's plenty of other biblical anecdotes that suggest its not the best source of sexual and reproductive ethics...
Less talk about the bible, more talk about fapping!
Personally I do not fap all that often. I'm 16 now and the last time I jerked off must have been somewhere last year.
I did 'fap' when I was around 8, but there was no real ejaculation to speak of. I think I stopped spanking the snake regularly around the age of 12.
1) One pornographic image can start a life-long addiction.
2) Porn users will do whatever it takes for a high, and each time he will need something even stronger and more perverse.
3) Porn users become dependent on masturbation, and eventually cannot be sexually aroused by real women.
4) Boys as early as four-years-old can begin masturbating and develop an addiction to online porn.
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you guys will probably call me a fucking liar for saying things you dont agree with but this article has its highs and lows. Written from a Christian perspective, its ironically padded with half-truths
1) some one got it right the first time around. if its out there, for the most part, people will seek it out out of curiousity and moreso if its made taboo.
2)"whatever it takes to get high" comment only applies when one is already thouroughly addicted to porn. (to the point you go WAY out of your way to get to porn). yes you can get addicted just like to everything else.
3)YES this does happen. not very well-known but men and women are fairly used to the dime-store hard core pornos and become aroused to the fake qualities shown by surgeried up women to accentuate all their physical qualities (briana banks anyone?) this usually happens to married men who have been exposed to porn in large amounts, BUT (heres the clincher) were not initially given a proper sexual education by parents. usually in the form a proper open forum talk about the birds and the bees, if they dont know whats right or wrong or fake and real about sex they become very susceptable to this trap of not finding their wives attractive if they dont resemble porn actresses / actors. (this problem occurs both in Christian and Non-Christian circles). for those naysayers, look at it this way. a LOT of conservative groups both religious and non-religious dont like talking about sex with their kids. the problem is that a LOT of men's first sexual experience and knowledge comes from watching porno. is that how you want your kids to learn about sex? (try this as an experiment. upon climax, pull out, grab their head and cum on your partners face yelling "fuck yeah". tell me what she/he says afterwards.)
4) even though genitalia havent fully developed at this age, there is recorded sexual instinct at this age, but children will not understand until they are 12. (yes ive seen maury pauvich about kids who are screwing when theyre 8, my theory on this is the mentality of wanting to become a badass grown-up. when i was their age, being a badasss grown up meant that i could stay awake past 11.) again this will happen only if the child is not reared properly in sexual education.
flame away. im a chronic masturbator but im still finding biblical basis behind it all. im well versed in the sexual problems in christian culture from counselling wedded couples, joining help groups, meetings etc.
now that i step back and look, a "coming of age" tradition in western non-christian culture is the handing down of playboys from father to son. as long as its explained the womans parts and how not to treat a woman as a piece of meat and as a person, i dont think i could object too much to that age old tradition
Look dude, I'm well aware that the bible says that I'm not allowed any libido and that deriving pleasure from sexual release is punishable by eternal fire and whatnot. But what if I'm not Christian? In such a context, why should I give a fuck what a fictional character in a very popular storybook thinks about fucking and things pertaining to such? Particularly when medical and psychological science both say that trying to hold to the standards set forth by said storybook is notably unhealthy?
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Actually, for reference, "neighbour" refers to your fellow Jew, not everyone in the world.
Well, I'm not religious, and even if I were, my family is Hindu, which I just googled about, and apparently our scripture is entirely silent on the matter of masturbation. However, sexual pleasure is part of kama, one of the four goals of life. So basically, awesome.
In a drunken discussion in the pub once, the conversation turned to stealth wanks, or how to masturbate next to your sleeping partner when she wasn't in the mood but you are...
One guy had a whole yoga thing, with one leg crossed over the other knee raised to avoid blanket fapping noises etc...
Well, I'm not religious, and even if I were, my family is Hindu, which I just googled about, and apparently our scripture is entirely silent on the matter of masturbation. However, sexual pleasure is part of kama, one of the four goals of life. So basically, awesome.
Yeah, and you've got all those funky-ass Kama Sutra positions to try out. Let me know how the "Blue Monkey Snatches the Lotus in the Wheelbarrow" works out for you.
I made that shit up, by the way.
About 3 times a week for me, a bit more when I'm bored. I never understood guys who do it a few times a day, when I've tried that the results have been unsatisfying to say the least. But to each his own. And yes, I use teh pr0n sometimes, though it can be tricky to find the right stuff.
I only fap multiple times per day when I'm bored. And by bored I mean "meant to be studying". And then to an extent it becomes a challenge to see how many times you can.
To clarify further:
You can masturbate so long as you are not lusting after a man/woman other than your spouse. Because you are not "lusting" as they are yours.
To clarify even further... Your spouse can do so for you... (this is getting obscene...) but no one else.
I lust and masturbate right in God's eye out of spite.
I only fap multiple times per day when I'm bored. And by bored I mean "meant to be studying". And then to an extent it becomes a challenge to see how many times you can.
Shit, I used to use my calculator to memorize digits of pi instead of studying, wtf was I thinking?
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Do you know the feeling when you're supposed to sleep but can't because of your donger being wide awake?
I hate that.
I hate it even more when I try to fap it away and the damn thing just gives up. Only to get up again 5 minutes later.
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I would like to pause for a moment, to talk about my penis.
My penis is like a toddler. A toddler—who is a perfectly normal size for his age—on a long road trip to what he thinks is Disney World. My penis is excited because he hasn’t been to Disney World in a long, long time, but remembers a time when he used to go every day. So now the penis toddler is constantly fidgeting, whining “Are we there yet? Are we there yet? How about now? Now? How about... now?”
And Disney World is nowhere in sight.
Being 17 and at the prime of my lust, and also with a vast amount of free time on my hands due to the ridiculously low standards of public school systems in Australia I can often find the time to masturbate 4 or 5 times on a weekend, usually twice on weekdays, never ever less than once. Like seriously, if I've not masturbated by the time I go to bed I'll be lying there, a picture of my girlfriend will whisp across my mind and sergent pepper will jump to attention and 30 seconds down the track it'll be like I punctured my waterbed.
Okay, maybe it's not that bad, but I get fucking horny.
If I can, I'll use porn, it usually actuall takes longer when porn's involved vs. imagination, as I spend so much time trying to find something I actually like. I'm not into twig-women, but I also don't have a fat fetish, and it seems like the internet refuses to awknowledge that there's an inbetween.
On a related matter, I don't know if you chaps have been made aware of the glorious situation on our hands at the moment. The holy grail has been found. Just look up holy grail on encyclopedia dramatica if you don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. (Or rather DO NOT look if you're not prepared to see some porno thumbnails, but it's encyclopedia dramatica for gods sake, you know what's coming)
holy inconsistency, delphinius. You spend a paragraph touting the dangers of internet porn and how it gives the young and impressionable an unrealistic view of women, and then you praise a dad passing on playboys? Do you have any idea how much photoshop is involved there?
Look dude, I'm well aware that the bible says that I'm not allowed any libido and that deriving pleasure from sexual release is punishable by eternal fire and whatnot. But what if I'm not Christian? In such a context, why should I give a fuck what a fictional character in a very popular storybook thinks about fucking and things pertaining to such? Particularly when medical and psychological science both say that trying to hold to the standards set forth by said storybook is notably unhealthy?
holy inconsistency, delphinius. You spend a paragraph touting the dangers of internet porn and how it gives the young and impressionable an unrealistic view of women, and then you praise a dad passing on playboys? Do you have any idea how much photoshop is involved there?
I'll be honest with you, why is this the holy grail? It's porn. Much like other porn but from a source who's target demographic I find abhorrent.
It's really not, I've got the video. It was okayish. I mainly linked it to amuse. /b/ have been searching for it for years and there was quite an eruption when they finally found it, I found the story rather amusing, as it was probably all a good business decision by the guy that owns the website that makes the videos.
Do you know the feeling when you're supposed to sleep but can't because of your donger being wide awake?
I hate that.
I hate it even more when I try to fap it away and the damn thing just gives up. Only to get up again 5 minutes later.
Yes, I hate that. It's the most terrible thing ever. It's not even a fun boner, it's just annoying, really fucking annoying.
Good, I was beginning to think I have some kind of erection disorder.
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I would like to pause for a moment, to talk about my penis.
My penis is like a toddler. A toddler—who is a perfectly normal size for his age—on a long road trip to what he thinks is Disney World. My penis is excited because he hasn’t been to Disney World in a long, long time, but remembers a time when he used to go every day. So now the penis toddler is constantly fidgeting, whining “Are we there yet? Are we there yet? How about now? Now? How about... now?”
And Disney World is nowhere in sight.
Random erections are the worst. I'm pretty sure that at 20 I shouldn't be getting those any more.
Surprise attractive women cause those. Like when you're not expecting to see anyone particularly striking and them bam! Eurasian girl.
Otherwise no they don't happen, though I've realized I have an unfortunate habit of daydreaming about my girlfriend when I'm bored.
Working for a building company doing work on a hospital research unit where there are packs of good looking, intelligent women, can get troublesome at times.
From what I've heard (I can't say I remember this happening to myself personally), males are capable of erections pretty much from birth...whether not they'd get anything out of masturbating at 4 years old, or it would even occur to them, I couldn't say.
I don't want to get too, er, detailed, but I remember masturbating when I was as young as six or seven. I should note that this was before the Web, and even before I discovered my dad's stack of Penthouses, Clubs and such, and I had no understanding of sex or anything and no knowledge of what it was I was actually doing.
From what I've heard (I can't say I remember this happening to myself personally), males are capable of erections pretty much from birth...whether not they'd get anything out of masturbating at 4 years old, or it would even occur to them, I couldn't say.
Yeah, my co-worker's kid has erections sometimes and he's not even two. I imagine that adds a whole new element to diaper changing.
More females masturbate than you think. We just tend not to talk about it to guys because then their eyes get this faraway look and then sometimes they start to drool.
I'm pretty sure, with nothing but anecdotal evidence and raw animal insight to back me up, that a large percentage of women do not self-stimulate as compared to the number of men.
The divide is probably not as big as you think. When I was in high school, I tried not to masturbate for the typical religious reasons (ZOMG bad!), but I discovered if I didn't masturbate then eventually I would spontaneously orgasm during the school day. I wouldn't even be fantasizing, I'd just be working on fractions or something and shift slightly in my chair and, WHAM, orgasm. So I went back to masturbating, as it was less embarrassing. (Not that my classmates ever KNEW, but still.)
On a different note, one of my aunts was told to use a vibrator for ten minutes a day three times a week to prevent . . . scarring around the vagina due to a cancer treatment, I believe it was.
The way I see it, masturbation has the very practical benefit of forestalling wet dreams, which are messy and inconvenient. YMMV.
This may very well be why I've never, ever had a wet dream
For the longest time I thought they were just something they scare you with in sex ed
Dude, I thought I was the only one. Never had a wet dream. I honestly think that, if I did have one now, it would scare the shit out of me just because it would be so strange.
'Course, I am 31, so I'm hopefully out of the woods when it comes to that.
The divide is probably not as big as you think. When I was in high school, I tried not to masturbate for the typical religious reasons (ZOMG bad!), but I discovered if I didn't masturbate then eventually I would spontaneously orgasm during the school day. I wouldn't even be fantasizing, I'd just be working on fractions or something and shift slightly in my chair and, WHAM, orgasm. So I went back to masturbating, as it was less embarrassing. (Not that my classmates ever KNEW, but still.)
Wow, really? I mean, I'll sometimes get an erection if I shift a certain way or if my pants are fitting weird and I'm walking, but I've never actually orgasmed. I just go to the bathroom and wait for Hulk to turn back into mild-mannered Bruce.
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bisexual.
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someone said true love was dead
but i'm bound to fall
bound to fall for you
oh what can i do
I think he still has a point though.
We see other people have things and wish we had them ourselves all the damn time. Shit, man, coveting is the iPod business model.
The problem is that you lust. And covet. Even if you are doing so in regard to men. I know you are joking, but someone still had to say something right?
Yeah. That gave me "lulz"
Is "no masturbation" a rule for our well being?
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It never says not to masturbate.
It says not to lust.
To clarify further:
You can masturbate so long as you are not lusting after a man/woman other than your spouse. Because you are not "lusting" as they are yours.
To clarify even further... Your spouse can do so for you... (this is getting obscene...) but no one else.
Cause monkeys are a good basis for moral standards.
The stigma attached to masturbation relies solely on religious codas of self-denial, demands that exist to foster obedience and break down the pursuit of individuality. As someone mentioned earlier, addiction or obsession over anything is unhealthy, and sure you could probably be doing something more productive, but denial and repression of your harmless desires will only make things worse. If you really feel that you don't want to spend your time rubbin, put some effort into finding someone else to share your urges.
dream a little dream or you could live a little dream
sleep forever if you wish to be a dreamer
Onan got in dutch with god because he ordered to knock up some chick and pulled out instead. The problem was disobedience, not self-indulgence. Relating that passage to wanking is a common misinterpretation. That aside, there's plenty of other biblical anecdotes that suggest its not the best source of sexual and reproductive ethics...
Personally I do not fap all that often. I'm 16 now and the last time I jerked off must have been somewhere last year.
I did 'fap' when I was around 8, but there was no real ejaculation to speak of. I think I stopped spanking the snake regularly around the age of 12.
you guys will probably call me a fucking liar for saying things you dont agree with but this article has its highs and lows. Written from a Christian perspective, its ironically padded with half-truths
1) some one got it right the first time around. if its out there, for the most part, people will seek it out out of curiousity and moreso if its made taboo.
2)"whatever it takes to get high" comment only applies when one is already thouroughly addicted to porn. (to the point you go WAY out of your way to get to porn). yes you can get addicted just like to everything else.
3)YES this does happen. not very well-known but men and women are fairly used to the dime-store hard core pornos and become aroused to the fake qualities shown by surgeried up women to accentuate all their physical qualities (briana banks anyone?) this usually happens to married men who have been exposed to porn in large amounts, BUT (heres the clincher) were not initially given a proper sexual education by parents. usually in the form a proper open forum talk about the birds and the bees, if they dont know whats right or wrong or fake and real about sex they become very susceptable to this trap of not finding their wives attractive if they dont resemble porn actresses / actors. (this problem occurs both in Christian and Non-Christian circles). for those naysayers, look at it this way. a LOT of conservative groups both religious and non-religious dont like talking about sex with their kids. the problem is that a LOT of men's first sexual experience and knowledge comes from watching porno. is that how you want your kids to learn about sex? (try this as an experiment. upon climax, pull out, grab their head and cum on your partners face yelling "fuck yeah". tell me what she/he says afterwards.)
4) even though genitalia havent fully developed at this age, there is recorded sexual instinct at this age, but children will not understand until they are 12. (yes ive seen maury pauvich about kids who are screwing when theyre 8, my theory on this is the mentality of wanting to become a badass grown-up. when i was their age, being a badasss grown up meant that i could stay awake past 11.) again this will happen only if the child is not reared properly in sexual education.
flame away. im a chronic masturbator but im still finding biblical basis behind it all. im well versed in the sexual problems in christian culture from counselling wedded couples, joining help groups, meetings etc.
now that i step back and look, a "coming of age" tradition in western non-christian culture is the handing down of playboys from father to son. as long as its explained the womans parts and how not to treat a woman as a piece of meat and as a person, i dont think i could object too much to that age old tradition
One guy had a whole yoga thing, with one leg crossed over the other knee raised to avoid blanket fapping noises etc...
Yeah, and you've got all those funky-ass Kama Sutra positions to try out. Let me know how the "Blue Monkey Snatches the Lotus in the Wheelbarrow" works out for you.
I made that shit up, by the way.
About 3 times a week for me, a bit more when I'm bored. I never understood guys who do it a few times a day, when I've tried that the results have been unsatisfying to say the least. But to each his own. And yes, I use teh pr0n sometimes, though it can be tricky to find the right stuff.
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I lust and masturbate right in God's eye out of spite.
(Try interpreting THAT comment!)
dream a little dream or you could live a little dream
sleep forever if you wish to be a dreamer
I hate that.
I hate it even more when I try to fap it away and the damn thing just gives up. Only to get up again 5 minutes later.
And Disney World is nowhere in sight.
Okay, maybe it's not that bad, but I get fucking horny.
If I can, I'll use porn, it usually actuall takes longer when porn's involved vs. imagination, as I spend so much time trying to find something I actually like. I'm not into twig-women, but I also don't have a fat fetish, and it seems like the internet refuses to awknowledge that there's an inbetween.
On a related matter, I don't know if you chaps have been made aware of the glorious situation on our hands at the moment. The holy grail has been found. Just look up holy grail on encyclopedia dramatica if you don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. (Or rather DO NOT look if you're not prepared to see some porno thumbnails, but it's encyclopedia dramatica for gods sake, you know what's coming)
I said you dont.
I thought he was making a joke.
It's really not, I've got the video. It was okayish. I mainly linked it to amuse. /b/ have been searching for it for years and there was quite an eruption when they finally found it, I found the story rather amusing, as it was probably all a good business decision by the guy that owns the website that makes the videos.
And Disney World is nowhere in sight.
Otherwise no they don't happen, though I've realized I have an unfortunate habit of daydreaming about my girlfriend when I'm bored.
Working for a building company doing work on a hospital research unit where there are packs of good looking, intelligent women, can get troublesome at times.
This may very well be why I've never, ever had a wet dream
For the longest time I thought they were just something they scare you with in sex ed
I don't want to get too, er, detailed, but I remember masturbating when I was as young as six or seven. I should note that this was before the Web, and even before I discovered my dad's stack of Penthouses, Clubs and such, and I had no understanding of sex or anything and no knowledge of what it was I was actually doing.
I usually had to urinate right afterward.
I tend to have the opposite problem.
Yeah, my co-worker's kid has erections sometimes and he's not even two. I imagine that adds a whole new element to diaper changing.
Also true.
The divide is probably not as big as you think. When I was in high school, I tried not to masturbate for the typical religious reasons (ZOMG bad!), but I discovered if I didn't masturbate then eventually I would spontaneously orgasm during the school day. I wouldn't even be fantasizing, I'd just be working on fractions or something and shift slightly in my chair and, WHAM, orgasm. So I went back to masturbating, as it was less embarrassing. (Not that my classmates ever KNEW, but still.)
On a different note, one of my aunts was told to use a vibrator for ten minutes a day three times a week to prevent . . . scarring around the vagina due to a cancer treatment, I believe it was.
Dude, I thought I was the only one. Never had a wet dream. I honestly think that, if I did have one now, it would scare the shit out of me just because it would be so strange.
'Course, I am 31, so I'm hopefully out of the woods when it comes to that.
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Oh, is that what the young people call it these days? "Just a minute, Mom, I'm doing my math homework!"
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Wow, really? I mean, I'll sometimes get an erection if I shift a certain way or if my pants are fitting weird and I'm walking, but I've never actually orgasmed. I just go to the bathroom and wait for Hulk to turn back into mild-mannered Bruce.