He's controlling the winds locally. The winds themselves are affecting things that are non-local however.
We've seen Bigby's father do it with his wind children in the book itself. He told them to do something and then they went off and did what he said.
If Bigby could do that, he wouldn't have had to come back to Fabletown to save it during the big battle.
He can control the local winds. When they start doing things that are not local, they aren't local winds anymore. Bigby isn't his father in that he has complete control over all wind everywhere. Bigby can just manipulate wind in an area of only a few miles, at the absolute most.
And Bigby still can't create winds even remotely powerful enough to launch antyhing into space.
And even IF Bigby got Hulk into space using, say, a rocket or something, which is the only way Hulk is going to end up there, Hulk would just come crashing abck to Battleworld at a speed exceeding that of sound. And Boy, Hulk would be angry beyond compare. Hulk would punch Bigby so hard he would split all of his atoms right down the middle and sterilize the entire battlefield.
Blowing Hulk into space is a moot point anyways. You only need to blow him out of the arena, up is just one possible direction. In Bigby's case, he would not go for up.
Don't forget, Bigby doesn't have to push Hulk into space to take him out of the arena. Presumably he could just push him sideways in any direction until the arena ran out. Though the other contestants might wonder about the Hulk-kite.
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All that would happen would be Bigby getting tired, and then hulk coming down from a couple miles up, IF Bigby was able to get him up there in the first place. I think we know who would win after that.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
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Guys.
Guys.
Hulk smash.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
You know, the fact that how a character was once drawn has nothing to do with this competition at all aside, the "LOL LIEFELD" thing is completely irrelevent because that's not the version of Cable that's in the contest.
Everything I've read about the current incarnation of Cable makes me desperately happy that I never gave two shits about Deadpool.
look if stuff could get blown into space by any force of wind, it would have happened by now but it is completely fucking impossible for that to happen in natural science. if it was possible, we wouldn't need a billion tons of rocket fuel to break gravitational pull
look if stuff could get blown into space by any force of wind, it would have happened by now but it is completely fucking impossible for that to happen in natural science. if it was possible, we wouldn't need a billion tons of rocket fuel to break gravitational pull
Wait, are we concerning ourselves with natural science now? I have some bad news for comic book fans in general.
look if stuff could get blown into space by any force of wind, it would have happened by now but it is completely fucking impossible for that to happen in natural science. if it was possible, we wouldn't need a billion tons of rocket fuel to break gravitational pull
Wait, are we concerning ourselves with natural science now? I have some bad news for comic book fans in general.
According to your logic, Elijah Snow should have totally beaten Magneto. Even though according to you and your real science at least, he shouldn't have been able to.
You know, the fact that how a character was once drawn has nothing to do with this competition at all aside, the "LOL LIEFELD" thing is completely irrelevent because that's not the version of Cable that's in the contest.
Everything I've read about the current incarnation of Cable makes me desperately happy that I never gave two shits about Deadpool.
You know, the fact that how a character was once drawn has nothing to do with this competition at all aside, the "LOL LIEFELD" thing is completely irrelevent because that's not the version of Cable that's in the contest.
Everything I've read about the current incarnation of Cable makes me desperately happy that I never gave two shits about Deadpool.
Magic internet forcefields and telepathy?
:roll:
In other news
Cyclops has magic eyeblasts
Martian Manhunter has magic shapeshifting
Power Girl has magic boobs
I think he was just pointing out the general lameness of Cable's powers, which to be fair is true.
He's got a glorified internet connection and some sort of forcefield thing.
You know, the fact that how a character was once drawn has nothing to do with this competition at all aside, the "LOL LIEFELD" thing is completely irrelevent because that's not the version of Cable that's in the contest.
Everything I've read about the current incarnation of Cable makes me desperately happy that I never gave two shits about Deadpool.
Magic internet forcefields and telepathy?
:roll:
In other news
Cyclops has magic eyeblasts
Martian Manhunter has magic shapeshifting
Power Girl has magic boobs
I think he was just pointing out the general lameness of Cable's powers, which to be fair is true.
He's got a glorified internet connection and some sort of forcefield thing.
Man, how can you not like a guy who overloads his enemies' brains by downloading an entire Encyclopedia into them?
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
See, he's vague. Depending on how you look at him, either shooting him from behind is all you need to do, or he can instantly explode the brains of everyone who gets within 50 feet.
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Lame.
That's probably not his usual level of power, anyway. Basically, you'd have to move really fast to hit him. He might slow you down in time a lot, or screw up the physics in your brain and guts, or bullet-time you to death with thousands of bullets all fired in the blink of an eye.
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Lame.
Superman and Martian Manhunter.
Can go very fast but not Lightspeed.
Lightspeed was an exaggeration. Superman's killed him in a non-canon story.
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Lame.
Superman and Martian Manhunter.
Can go very fast but not Lightspeed.
Superman has gone lightspeed.
MM is as fast as Superman, I think.
In any event, whatever speed superman is going at in Planetary JLA: Terra Oculta.
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Lame.
Superman and Martian Manhunter.
Can go very fast but not Lightspeed.
You don't need to move at lightspeed to get to Ambrose when he really pours his time dilation on. Just close to it. It's hard, probably, and a last resort.
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Lame.
Superman and Martian Manhunter.
Can go very fast but not Lightspeed.
Lightspeed was an exaggeration. Superman's killed him in a non-canon story.
Alright then. Superman could possibly kill him.
I still think he's way overpowered but at least he can be killed.
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Lame.
Superman and Martian Manhunter.
Can go very fast but not Lightspeed.
Lightspeed was an exaggeration. Superman's killed him in a non-canon story.
Alright then. Superman could possibly kill him.
I still think he's way overpowered but at least he can be killed.
Bigby, if you listen to Jeepguy, can bite God's balls off and then choke him by stealing his air, or cut him in half with the Vorpal Sword. And he can't be killed, because people read stories he's in. Even though there is nothing in the books that supports this level of power for Bigby, and even though he's clearly not as powerful as the Hulk, physically. Bigby's not even bulletproof.
Bigby can't be killed. No one in this fight could kill him, and that's including the Hulk eating him and shitting him out.
Doesn't mean you can't just shoot him a couple hundred times and call it a day for the tournament. How long did it take Goldilocks? Couple of weeks/months?
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Lame.
Superman and Martian Manhunter.
Can go very fast but not Lightspeed.
Lightspeed was an exaggeration. Superman's killed him in a non-canon story.
Alright then. Superman could possibly kill him.
I still think he's way overpowered but at least he can be killed.
Bigby, if you listen to Jeepguy, can bite God's balls off and then choke him by stealing his air, or cut him in half with the Vorpal Sword. And he can't be killed, because people read stories he's in. Even though there is nothing in the books that supports this level of power for Bigby, and even though he's clearly not as powerful as the Hulk, physically. Bigby's not even bulletproof.
Jeepguy does overexagerrate Bigby's abilities immensly but he is a force to be reckoned with. He would lose in a 1v1 fight with Hulk but with Cable and Ambrose there he has a chance at stealing second. If anything he's not bullet-proof, he's bullet-absorbent.
Ambrose Chase can use his field to mess up the organs of the other opponents, killing them outright or at the very least fucking with their brains on a major level.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
Okay so theoretically the minute the match starts he could make Hulks'(Although he might recover), Bigbys' and Cables organs explode. And he moves at lightspeed?
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
So basically only the versions of Flashes that are not in the thread(Read: Not Jay Garrick) could touch him?
Lame.
Superman and Martian Manhunter.
Can go very fast but not Lightspeed.
Superman has gone lightspeed.
MM is as fast as Superman, I think.
In any event, whatever speed superman is going at in Planetary JLA: Terra Oculta.
Superman's only hit lightspeed when the Flash was loaning him speed, I thought. Also, Chase seems to only turn his powers on for certain effects and then turns them off again. Snow even had to tell him to keep screwing with the Invisible Woman analog. So you could hit him before he gets the field up, either by moving fast enough or hitting him by surprise.
As has been said elsewhere, Chase has to want to affect something to affect it. It's not like a constant bubble where he can just close his eyes and put on headphones and everything will be stopped.
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We've seen Bigby's father do it with his wind children in the book itself. He told them to do something and then they went off and did what he said.
He can control the local winds. When they start doing things that are not local, they aren't local winds anymore. Bigby isn't his father in that he has complete control over all wind everywhere. Bigby can just manipulate wind in an area of only a few miles, at the absolute most.
And Bigby still can't create winds even remotely powerful enough to launch antyhing into space.
And even IF Bigby got Hulk into space using, say, a rocket or something, which is the only way Hulk is going to end up there, Hulk would just come crashing abck to Battleworld at a speed exceeding that of sound. And Boy, Hulk would be angry beyond compare. Hulk would punch Bigby so hard he would split all of his atoms right down the middle and sterilize the entire battlefield.
who the hell is in league with the incredible hulk? galactus maybe?
Superman, Magneto, Martian Manhunter, Captain Marvel, Thor, others.
Guys.
Hulk smash.
Everything I've read about the current incarnation of Cable makes me desperately happy that I never gave two shits about Deadpool.
Magic internet forcefields and telepathy?
:roll:
Wait, are we concerning ourselves with natural science now? I have some bad news for comic book fans in general.
According to your logic, Elijah Snow should have totally beaten Magneto. Even though according to you and your real science at least, he shouldn't have been able to.
In other news
Cyclops has magic eyeblasts
Martian Manhunter has magic shapeshifting
Power Girl has magic boobs
I think he was just pointing out the general lameness of Cable's powers, which to be fair is true.
He's got a glorified internet connection and some sort of forcefield thing.
It's a kinda magic...
Fried Chicken?
Man, how can you not like a guy who overloads his enemies' brains by downloading an entire Encyclopedia into them?
If that isn't awesome, I don't know what is.
I..I dunno. I think I liked it better when he was ZOMG I have massive mega Psi powers, but I'd blow myself up if I used them.
When you've got a character who can fist fight the Silver Surfer maaaaybe you need to tone him down a bit.
I'd say that's a pretty fantastic offensive power. That, along with no one being able to touch him because they can't move at lightspeed might just give him a little bit of an edge.
How the hell was he let into this tournament? He might win this round but I'd much rather have a better future round with good debate as opposed to 'olol chase', so I'm voting for Hulk and Bigby.....maybe Cable in lieu of the wolf I haven't decided yet.
He doesn't move at lightspeed, you'd just have to move at lightspeed to get to him.
Lame.
Superman and Martian Manhunter.
There you go, then.
That's probably not his usual level of power, anyway. Basically, you'd have to move really fast to hit him. He might slow you down in time a lot, or screw up the physics in your brain and guts, or bullet-time you to death with thousands of bullets all fired in the blink of an eye.
No, it's not.
Lightspeed was an exaggeration. Superman's killed him in a non-canon story.
Superman has gone lightspeed.
MM is as fast as Superman, I think.
In any event, whatever speed superman is going at in Planetary JLA: Terra Oculta.
You don't need to move at lightspeed to get to Ambrose when he really pours his time dilation on. Just close to it. It's hard, probably, and a last resort.
I still think he's way overpowered but at least he can be killed.
In one issue, Domino's able to get behind his shield and hold a gun to his head.
In another, he's containing a nuclear explosion.
Bigby, if you listen to Jeepguy, can bite God's balls off and then choke him by stealing his air, or cut him in half with the Vorpal Sword. And he can't be killed, because people read stories he's in. Even though there is nothing in the books that supports this level of power for Bigby, and even though he's clearly not as powerful as the Hulk, physically. Bigby's not even bulletproof.
Doesn't mean you can't just shoot him a couple hundred times and call it a day for the tournament. How long did it take Goldilocks? Couple of weeks/months?