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Sarah Palin: She could have been your freaking VP

DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
edited November 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Now that the election is over, some (if it is even possible) disturbing things about Sarah Palin are coming out.

For example, she didn't know that Africa was a continent. Yeah, that is right. There are more there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc

Among other things, she also didn't know what countries make up North America and NAFTA...or that South Africa was a country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtxDs3Rk_vE

There are apparently reports that she was a complete bitch as well, reducing campaign staff into tears after doing horribly in interviews (the Couric one as well).

I figure we should have some post-election thread where we all can express our happiness for the fact that this woman did not become the Vice President of the United States.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I figure we should have some post-election thread where we all can express our happiness for the fact that this woman did not become the Vice President of the United States.
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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/us/politics/07palin.html?hp
    Asked Wednesday whether she still believed that Mr. Stevens should resign, Ms. Palin was circumspect, saying only that the people of Alaska "just spoke" on the issue at the ballot box and that "they want him as their senator." She said Mr. Stevens should decide "what happens next." (Mr. Stevens could still be forced to step down, and Ms. Palin is widely viewed as a potential candidate for his seat if he does.)
    She is so much of a maverick she can't tell a convicted person to go to resign.

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I can't actually believe she thought Africa was a country. Everyone goes to elementary school. Notice that the guy doesn't attribute any source to the comment--I'm guessing some staffer who hated her just pretended to let that slip now that the campaign is over and the rumors are flying.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    MrMister wrote: »
    I can't actually believe she thought Africa was a country. Everyone goes to elementary school. Notice that the guy doesn't attribute any source to the comment--I'm guessing some staffer who hated her just pretended to let that slip now that the campaign is over and the rumors are flying.
    Do we know where she went to school? I'm not asking in a "what don't we know about Sarah Palin" sense, but in a "if she went to a religious school, Africa isn't mentioned by name in the bible and AK appears to have lax education standards" sense.

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    Venkman90Venkman90 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I can easily see her being the worst kind of American, so convinced they are right about everything that they don't bother to learn anything.

    Actually worst kind of human

    Her being a bitch, forgone conclusion imho

    Also, I bet that Levi guy is relived, they can't still want to shotgun marry them surely?

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    DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I also love how O'Reilly is trying to defend her. "Yeah, she was a total retarded fuckstick...BUT WE COULD HAVE TAUGHT HER NOT TO BE!"

    And she lived in Wasilla, so I think she went to school here. The Africa part is hard to believe though...but seeing from the rest of her performance, the rest of the stuff isn't.

    But seriously, she was some sort of a beauty queen. We all know that even when they have gotten through elementary school, their geography knowledge isn't the strongest.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

    I also wonder if Sarah Palin can name all the fifty states...

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Lots of people think Africa is just a country and that Kenya is a town or a state or whatever. That's why people refer to starving people being in Africa rather than any specific country where famine is a problem..

    But those people shouldn't be VP.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Why's it so hard to believe? Fuck, even Drew Carey made that mistake. And she strikes me as less intelligent than Drew Carey.

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    HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Among other things, she also didn't know what countries make up North America and NAFTA...or that South Africa was a country.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtxDs3Rk_vE

    O'Reilly: So she has a deficit in civics and geography. She's a smart lady; she can be tutored on those things, right? So what's the problem?

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    ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    Look man, I knew plenty of soccer-moms and hockey-moms when I was in junior-high and high-school. They're part of how I learned that there's more to a woman than hotness. These behaviors are pretty well expected.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Among other things, she also didn't know what countries make up North America and NAFTA...or that South Africa was a country.

    O'Reilly: So she has a deficit in civics and geography. She's a smart lady; she can be tutored on those things, right? So what's the problem?

    I know. As if the fact that, as a Governor, she hasn't already gone out of her way to fucking get a clue doesn't say anything about her as a person.

    Lots of people don't know basic civics and/or geography, and a large subset could be taught if necessary. But I'd still argue that even after being taught none of them would be qualified to be President of the United States, because they've already proven themselves either unintelligent, incurious, or both.


    I don't believe the Africa thing, though. I just...don't. NAFTA, North American countries, basic civics...yeah. Thinking Africa is a country? I'm going to go ahead and put on my skeptic hat, despite my opinion of her (which is low). I'm not saying it can't be true, I'm just going to give her the benefit of the doubt on at least this one thing.

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Look man, I knew plenty of soccer-moms and hockey-moms when I was in junior-high and high-school. They're part of how I learned that there's more to a woman than hotness. These behaviors are pretty well expected.

    Are you saying it's okay for a VP candidate to not know that Africa is a continent, so long as she's a hockey/soccer mom?

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Look man, I knew plenty of soccer-moms and hockey-moms when I was in junior-high and high-school. They're part of how I learned that there's more to a woman than hotness. These behaviors are pretty well expected.

    Are you saying it's okay for a VP candidate to not know that Africa is a continent, so long as she's a hockey/soccer mom?

    Pretty sure that's not what he was saying at all.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Look man, I knew plenty of soccer-moms and hockey-moms when I was in junior-high and high-school. They're part of how I learned that there's more to a woman than hotness. These behaviors are pretty well expected.

    Are you saying it's okay for a VP candidate to not know that Africa is a continent, so long as she's a hockey/soccer mom?

    As long as VC is banging her, it is.

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Look man, I knew plenty of soccer-moms and hockey-moms when I was in junior-high and high-school. They're part of how I learned that there's more to a woman than hotness. These behaviors are pretty well expected.

    Are you saying it's okay for a VP candidate to not know that Africa is a continent, so long as she's a hockey/soccer mom?

    Pretty sure that's not what he was saying at all.

    Then what is he saying, cause I'm hella confused by that quote.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Look man, I knew plenty of soccer-moms and hockey-moms when I was in junior-high and high-school. They're part of how I learned that there's more to a woman than hotness. These behaviors are pretty well expected.

    Are you saying it's okay for a VP candidate to not know that Africa is a continent, so long as she's a hockey/soccer mom?

    Pretty sure that's not what he was saying at all.

    Then what is he saying, cause I'm hella confused by that quote.

    I can't speak for him, but there seem to be two conversations going on in here:

    "Sarah Palin is functionally retarded, and should not have been VP!"

    "Sarah Palin couldn't have been quite that dumb, but still should not have been VP!"

    His fits the former. He's basically defending the reports that she was functionally retarded, by saying that he's met functionally retarded hockey/soccer-moms before. He did not, anywhere in that post, imply that she should be VP.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Look man, I knew plenty of soccer-moms and hockey-moms when I was in junior-high and high-school. They're part of how I learned that there's more to a woman than hotness. These behaviors are pretty well expected.

    Are you saying it's okay for a VP candidate to not know that Africa is a continent, so long as she's a hockey/soccer mom?

    Pretty sure that's not what he was saying at all.

    Then what is he saying, cause I'm hella confused by that quote.
    That we shouldn't be surprised by the fact that she's a vapid blowhard with no knowledge of other countries, given that she self-identified as a member of a demographic that's a bunch of vapid blowhards with no knowledge of other countries.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    That we shouldn't be surprised by the fact that she's a vapid blowhard with no knowledge of other countries, given that she self-identified as a member of a demographic that's a bunch of vapid blowhards with no knowledge of other countries.
    God did we dodge the fucking bullet. Also, reports of infighting and crazy nepotism in McCain campaign reinforce my belief.

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Look man, I knew plenty of soccer-moms and hockey-moms when I was in junior-high and high-school. They're part of how I learned that there's more to a woman than hotness. These behaviors are pretty well expected.

    Are you saying it's okay for a VP candidate to not know that Africa is a continent, so long as she's a hockey/soccer mom?

    Pretty sure that's not what he was saying at all.

    Then what is he saying, cause I'm hella confused by that quote.

    I can't speak for him, but there seem to be two conversations going on in here:

    "Sarah Palin is functionally retarded, and should not have been VP!"

    "Sarah Palin couldn't have been quite that dumb, but still should not have been VP!"

    His fits the former. He's basically defending the reports that she was functionally retarded, by saying that he's met functionally retarded hockey/soccer-moms before. He did not, anywhere in that post, imply that she should be VP.

    Oh okay, I see what he's saying now. I was confused by the bolded part. I took it the opposite way.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Oh okay, I see what he's saying now. I was confused by the bolded part. I took it the opposite way.

    Yeah. Hot and stupid is only fun for so long. In the case of this election, based on when polls started taking the plunge, that appeared to be about fourteen, maybe fifteen days.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited November 2008
    As a random foreign observer I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Palin made it as far as VP candidate.

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    necroSYSnecroSYS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Among other things, she also didn't know what countries make up North America and NAFTA...or that South Africa was a country.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtxDs3Rk_vE

    O'Reilly: So she has a deficit in civics and geography. She's a smart lady; she can be tutored on those things, right? So what's the problem?

    I have seen no evidence of this conclusion.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    necroSYS wrote: »
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Among other things, she also didn't know what countries make up North America and NAFTA...or that South Africa was a country.

    O'Reilly: So she has a deficit in civics and geography. She's a smart lady; she can be tutored on those things, right? So what's the problem?

    I have seen no evidence of this conclusion.
    BillO needs no evidence, commie heathen.

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    necroSYSnecroSYS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random foreign observer I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Palin made it as far as VP candidate.

    It should be pretty horrifying that someone so vapid and ridiculous could have made it as far as mayor of a town, let alone governor of an entire state.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    necroSYS wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random foreign observer I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Palin made it as far as VP candidate.

    It should be pretty horrifying that someone so vapid and ridiculous could have made it as far as mayor of a town, let alone governor of an entire state.

    Or past the age of 5.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random foreign observer I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Palin made it as far as VP candidate.

    Well, that's part of Democracy...it's not like there's a written test you have to pass to run.

    And, in her case, you have to remember both how and why she was selected. It's not like she won a primary, or would have. Also, you have to remember that in the end she was likely one of the primary factors that sealed McCain's fate. As you heard in the Fox report, his numbers actually started to tank before the economic crash, after her interview with Couric. The one where most people realized she was either stupid, insane, or stupidly insane.

    The only reason McCain still got as much of the vote as he did was that you've still got people that vote based on party affiliation, and the fact that while he's an asshole he is still theoretically fairly qualified for the job and was on the top of the ticket.

    Well, that and 'cism. But really, I don't think 'cism was as much of the Republican vote this time as some might want to make it seem.
    It should be pretty horrifying that someone so vapid and ridiculous could have made it as far as mayor of a town, let alone governor of an entire state.

    Again, it's not like t here's an official vetting process and especially in smaller, local elections (Alaska has less people than many/most major cities) it's not like the vetting by the voting public is all that intense. This is just one risk you take in a democratic system.

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    Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    necroSYS wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random foreign observer I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Palin made it as far as VP candidate.

    It should be pretty horrifying that someone so vapid and ridiculous could have made it as far as mayor of a town, let alone governor of an entire state.

    With how shitty state politics are, it's no surprise at all.

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    RustRust __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    bowen wrote: »
    necroSYS wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random foreign observer I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Palin made it as far as VP candidate.

    It should be pretty horrifying that someone so vapid and ridiculous could have made it as far as mayor of a town, let alone governor of an entire state.

    Or past the age of 5.

    She definitely showed some competence when it came to screwing people over.

    I dunno if that says bad things about her, Alaska, the state of American politics or some combination of the three.

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    psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    There are also reports coming in that her spending spree was worse then 150,000 and she abused the hell out of people.

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random foreign observer I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Palin made it as far as VP candidate.

    She didn't really "make it" anywhere, though. She was chosen. Mostly cause of her vagina and anti-everything cool and fun.

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    necroSYSnecroSYS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »

    Again, it's not like t here's an official vetting process and especially in smaller, local elections (Alaska has less people than many/most major cities) it's not like the vetting by the voting public is all that intense. This is just one risk you take in a democratic system.

    I don't buy that as an excuse. You can't just shrug and say "Welp, democracy at work!" when a systemic breakdown of basic governance like what's happened in Alaska comes along. If the vetting process for their gubernatorial candidates is that shoddy, then there is something basically wrong with politics in that state. You can throw up your hands and say that "Alaskans are getting the governance they deserve!", but at some point you have to recognize that it bears little resemblance to the Platonic ideal of a democracy.

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    kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Oooh, oooh, is it time for the post loss everyone vent about shit phase of the campaign? These are always So Much Fun!

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    ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Look man, I knew plenty of soccer-moms and hockey-moms when I was in junior-high and high-school. They're part of how I learned that there's more to a woman than hotness. These behaviors are pretty well expected.

    Are you saying it's okay for a VP candidate to not know that Africa is a continent, so long as she's a hockey/soccer mom?

    Pretty sure that's not what he was saying at all.

    Then what is he saying, cause I'm hella confused by that quote.

    I can't speak for him, but there seem to be two conversations going on in here:

    "Sarah Palin is functionally retarded, and should not have been VP!"

    "Sarah Palin couldn't have been quite that dumb, but still should not have been VP!"

    His fits the former. He's basically defending the reports that she was functionally retarded, by saying that he's met functionally retarded hockey/soccer-moms before. He did not, anywhere in that post, imply that she should be VP.

    Functionally-retarded is part of the soccer/hockey-mom archetype. As is fucking people over for your own purposes or convenience. And being an absolute prick to everyone who doesn't hold a high enough social position to warrant sucking up to. Just not in public, of course, because what would people say? But yeah, they will totally flip out at people for "making them look stupid" when in fact their stupidity is what makes them look stupid.

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    necroSYS wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »

    Again, it's not like t here's an official vetting process and especially in smaller, local elections (Alaska has less people than many/most major cities) it's not like the vetting by the voting public is all that intense. This is just one risk you take in a democratic system.

    I don't buy that as an excuse. You can't just shrug and say "Welp, democracy at work!" when a systemic breakdown of basic governance like what's happened in Alaska comes along. If the vetting process for their gubernatorial candidates is that shoddy, then there is something basically wrong with politics in that state. You can throw up your hands and say that "Alaskans are getting the governance they deserve!", but at some point you have to recognize that it bears little resemblance to the Platonic ideal of a democracy.

    People in Alaska are just batshit retarded. They're only 600,000 strong and they live in fucking nowhere, so nobody gives a shit about them. They clearly have absolutely zero ethics.

    Case in point:
    Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin has returned to her home state of Alaska, where she was greeted by dozens of supporters encouraging her to run for president in four years.

    The crowd chanted "2012! 2012!" as Palin disembarked her airplane at the Anchorage airport. Asked by reporters if she might run for president, Palin said, "We'll see what happens then."

    See also: every Alaskan politician, including Ted Stevens and his re-election after 7 felony convictions.

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    maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random US citizen I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Obama made it as far as president elect.

    And I've made my changes.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    People in Alaska are just batshit retarded. They're only 600,000 strong and they live in fucking nowhere, so nobody gives a shit about them. They clearly have absolutely zero ethics.

    Case in point:
    Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin has returned to her home state of Alaska, where she was greeted by dozens of supporters encouraging her to run for president in four years.

    The crowd chanted "2012! 2012!" as Palin disembarked her airplane at the Anchorage airport. Asked by reporters if she might run for president, Palin said, "We'll see what happens then."

    See also: every Alaskan politician, including Ted Stevens and his re-election after 7 felony convictions.

    I really hope she runs. Mainly because Alaska has even less Electoral votes than Minnesota.

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random US citizen I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Obama made it as far as president elect.

    And I've made my changes.

    Of all the valid and semi-valid criticisms of Obama, you honestly think he's unkowledgeable?

    Really?

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    ScreamlineScreamline Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    necroSYS wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random foreign observer I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Palin made it as far as VP candidate.

    It should be pretty horrifying that someone so vapid and ridiculous could have made it as far as mayor of a town, let alone governor of an entire state.

    It's the American Dream!
    D:

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    One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random US citizen I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Obama made it as far as president elect.

    And I've made my changes.

    President of the Harvard Law Review and Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago. Sounds fairly knowledgeable to me.

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    maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    As a random US citizen I'm pretty horrified that it was even possible that someone as unknowledgeable as Obama made it as far as president elect.

    And I've made my changes.

    Of all the valid and semi-valid criticisms of Obama, you honestly think he's unkowledgeable?

    Really?

    Oh, wait, unknowledgeable? Sorry about that, my early morning lack of coffee made me to read that as unknown.

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