Since this was brought up in the original post and much was made about cliques by the administration, why don't we limit [Game On] threads to one subforum? It just seems to disadvantageous to the forum as a whole for us to have [Game On] and Friend/Xbox live codes divided between the different forums, when they could all be put into one forum and it would hopefully help lessen the animosity between certain subforums if they were forced to venture into the other subforum to get the their [Game On].
I really don't see the issue with lack of a threads on whatever subject, whether its the 360 in GT or some other subject in another forum.
Me, I like to talk to about hockey, but the NHL thread in D&D doesn't get much traffic. I can respect the fact that the forum population doesn't feel much like talking about it. Thats just the way things are.
Beyond ensuring that threads on certain subjects aren't assasinated by people who dont like that subject, I dont see any reason for any further policies.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
To everyone who is PMing me about spam threads, you are all awesome dudes and I am just thanking you here because PMing everyone to say thank you for PMing me is taking me like five minutes every time.
We don’t do the post count thing here because it leads to a lot of elitism and that’s just not cool. Alpha sometimes leaks post counts as a special treat but only if you are very good. And even then it might only be the top 100 posters.
The mod coverage in G&T is better and I find myself having to PM a mod less and less. So god job adding more mods. I’ll still meta mod (IE PM mods) whenever I see some stupid stuff in G&T.
I don’t think an “upcoming games†stick is a good idea because it will turn into one huge mega thread that will be a bear to try to keep up with or updated. That is why I’ve been against the console mega thread idea for a while. Sure I’ll post in the PS3 thread or the DS thread but news about specific games gets lost quickly in those. I think it’s time to kill the “talk about it in the X system mega thread†as some items of news are worthy of their own thread.
Also we are losing some forumers. Some are vocal about why they are leaving others are saying “it’s just because†I think that the Mods should try to get a hold of those people and see why they left. That might be the best course of making changes. Sure I know some people are bitter still over the chat thread and they left because of that. But I’ve seen some people say “I’m leaving because of the way things changed†without saying what change bothered them. There might be some really good feedback to learn from or throw away.
To everyone who is PMing me about spam threads, you are all awesome dudes and I am just thanking you here because PMing everyone to say thank you for PMing me is taking me like five minutes every time.
Perhaps 3 sticky's at the top of the forum with a Massive OP in each about each console and major games coming out for it. Lock the threads after the OP is posted and have one mod responsible for updating it weekly.
I fully support this idea.
If we're talking about game releases, it would probably only need to be updated on a monthly basis. But I think this would go a long way towards taking the sting out of having the megathreads disappear, personally.
Three stickies would be beyond overkill. I understand that some people might be all "OMG PS3 IS AT THE TOP BIAS" but seriously people need to get the fuck over it. To be honest, I don't really think people read stickies anyway.
To everyone who is PMing me about spam threads, you are all awesome dudes and I am just thanking you here because PMing everyone to say thank you for PMing me is taking me like five minutes every time.
I find it's easier to IM you as you're the only mod I ever see online. :P
hmm, considering all the morons posting in the spam threads, it may be a good idea to bring back the "Don't Post in Spam Threads" sticky, except this time, actually have the title say "Don't Post in Spam Threads!" instead of "don't go apeshit" or whatever the original thread was titled.
It's still in the rules. To be fair, I've cleaned up six or seven spam threads today, and people have posted in two of them. I'm impressed with how people are dealing with them properly now.
hmm, considering all the morons posting in the spam threads, it may be a good idea to bring back the "Don't Post in Spam Threads" sticky, except this time, actually have the title say "Don't Post in Spam Threads!" instead of "don't go apeshit" or whatever the original thread was titled.
I agree with this. I think banning people who post in Spam threads though might be a bit extreme. Jailings are fine but banning is going a bit far. I mean sure they should know better but it's also people are... well... dumb and sometimes can't help themselves.
Also unless the forum code is weird (which it may very well be) it would not be hard to delete the spam thread even if people have posted in it.
I know this is a code related thing but since we are such a heavily modified version of PHP maybe we could enact the verification E-mail standard? you know the E-mail that mails you a verification link? It might not stop the spammers but it could slow them down a bit.
edit: damn me and having to work while I was posting this.
Three stickies would be beyond overkill. I understand that some people might be all "OMG PS3 IS AT THE TOP BIAS" but seriously people need to get the fuck over it. To be honest, I don't really think people read stickies anyway.
I don't see why this is beyond overkill.
If G&T is the first place that new people go, having a thread dedicated to stuff they are looking for or are interested in can help a lot.
For example:
The DS megathread of yore used to get questions about screen protectors all the time. Which ones to buy. How to put them on. Where to buy them from. And it used to pop up repeatedly. I still see screen protector threads from time to time. If there was a place of reference, then we could send everyone to the DS Sticky or the Handheld Gaming Sticky or whatever.
Plus, if it's updated then it can be a one-stop place for general information and forum recommendations and such. I think it might also help cut down on the "Guys, I just got a PS2/DS/PSP/GC/XBox what games should I get?" threads.
Having three stickies is just ugly. G&T has too many as it is. Just my personal aesthetics.
That reminds me. Search works again... so what's the point of the G&T Reference thread now? Most of the threads in it have drifted off the front page for inactivity, and I don't think anybody would care if someone made... say... a new Pokemon thread instead of looking for the one that's buried some 15 pages in.
Having three stickies is just ugly. G&T has too many as it is. Just my personal aesthetics.
So the problem is with the number of stickies and not the content of the stickies? Consolidate them, then.
The number of stickies aside, do you see any issues with instituting something like that?
How, exactly, would you combine the Ventrilo thread with the Photoshop thread?
(this is a rhetorical question)
Consolidate all console information into one thread and all handheld information into another. 2 stickies instead of one for each piece of hardware on the market.
Do we really need stickies though? If a game or release is popular enough, a thread will be made. I don't go to G&T to see what's being released, I go to discuss the games themselves. Not only do I think additional stickies are a bad idea, I think we should get rid of all the stickies, but the Rules and maybe the Ventrillo threads.
1. The less the better
2. If it's a regular thread and it needs to be stickied so it doesn't fall off the page, maybe there isn't enough interest to warrant it.
1. The less the better
2. If it's a regular thread and it needs to be stickied so it doesn't fall off the page, maybe there isn't enough interest to warrant it.
If I understand correctly, G&T is supposed to be the most welcoming and inviting of all the subforums. If having a mini-AFK for gaming hardware adds 1 or 2 stickies, is it really that big of a deal?
Personally, I think that would be quite helpful to newcomers. Maybe not as much to established forumers so I doubt that by itself it would stay on the first page.
1. The less the better
2. If it's a regular thread and it needs to be stickied so it doesn't fall off the page, maybe there isn't enough interest to warrant it.
If I understand correctly, G&T is supposed to be the most welcoming and inviting of all the subforums. If having a mini-AFK for gaming hardware adds 1 or 2 stickies, is it really that big of a deal?
Personally, I think that would be quite helpful to newcomers. Maybe not as much to established forumers so I doubt that by itself it would stay on the first page.
A lot don't read the rules thread as it is, what would having additional stickies do? I don't really see a reason to list hardware specs or game info in stickies, since that's what the forum is there to discuss. I think hardware stickies should only be made if a question is being asked incessantly, "How do I turn on my PS3?" and then only temporarily.
I'm just not seeing the benefit to additional stickies. It's not like we have an AFK sticky in G&T as it is and there doesn't seem to be a problem, so what exactly would it offer new people and what perceived problem would it fix?
I'd like to see the Mods protecting the newbies and people with unpopular views from hostility a little more. I'm tired of seeing some new guy saying something unpopular in D&D and suddenly they are engulfed in a ring of people being pretty abusive. Then when they inevitably lose their temper they are punished.
1. The less the better
2. If it's a regular thread and it needs to be stickied so it doesn't fall off the page, maybe there isn't enough interest to warrant it.
If I understand correctly, G&T is supposed to be the most welcoming and inviting of all the subforums. If having a mini-AFK for gaming hardware adds 1 or 2 stickies, is it really that big of a deal?
Personally, I think that would be quite helpful to newcomers. Maybe not as much to established forumers so I doubt that by itself it would stay on the first page.
A lot don't read the rules thread as it is, what would having additional stickies do? I don't really see a reason to list hardware specs or game info in stickies, since that's what the forum is there to discuss. I think hardware stickies should only be made if a question is being asked incessantly, "How do I turn on my PS3?" and then only temporarily.
I'm just not seeing the benefit to additional stickies. It's not like we have an AFK sticky in G&T as it is and there doesn't seem to be a problem, so what exactly would it offer new people and what perceived problem would it fix?
I'm backing Invisible and CT here. They've both been around for ages, and they both know what they're talking about.
We don't need more stickies. The whole argument for more stickies is ridiculous at best and at worst, a thinly veiled ploy to bring back "megathreads" in a more officious and silly manner. They are not needed. If you want to talk about a game, make a thread. WE ARE NOT RUNNING LOW ON E-TREES AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE MORE THREADS.
Now,
t Shinto:
I agree on that point. I think it's more of a problem in G&T than it is in D&D.
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t Shinto:
I agree on that point. I think it's more of a problem in G&T than it is in D&D.
I disagree, in that Shinto is referring to new posters especially. It gets really bad in D&D. People bust out the "olo stupid newbie and his conservative (or rarely overly liberal)ideas" and continue to egg the guy on. He'll keep on defending his point, and keep arguing, and eventually say something a mod finds offensive, and the kid'll get banned more or less for having an unpopular (and yeah, probably wrong) opinion.
I've never seen anyone get banned in G&T for just having an unpopular opinion, just for obvious trolling. But there is a real pattern of what I described going on in D&D. Happens once or twice a month.
Yeah, people will get on you for having unpopular views in G&T. I got flamed countless times for voicing my dissatisfaction with some aspects of the Wii. It is a real problem, yeah. I don't know that this has ever resulted in someone not posting, however. I think the problem is far worse in D&D.
t Shinto:
I agree on that point. I think it's more of a problem in G&T than it is in D&D.
I disagree, in that Shinto is referring to new posters especially. It gets really bad in D&D. People bust out the "olo stupid newbie and his conservative (or rarely overly liberal)ideas" and continue to egg the guy on. He'll keep on defending his point, and keep arguing, and eventually say something a mod finds offensive, and the kid'll get banned more or less for having an unpopular (and yeah, probably wrong) opinion.
I've never seen anyone get banned in G&T for just having an unpopular opinion, just for obvious trolling. But there is a real pattern of what I described going on in D&D. Happens once or twice a month.
Yeah, people will get on you for having unpopular views in G&T. I got flamed countless times for voicing my dissatisfaction with some aspects of the Wii. It is a real problem, yeah. I don't know that this has ever resulted in someone not posting, however. I think the problem is far worse in D&D.
Yeah, D&D has becoming stifling in its basic liberal consensus. You can disagree a little bit within the accepted perameters but if you step outside of that you are going to get a mob of very insulting abusive people suddenly attacking you.
Well, with D&D I know we have at least one fairly conservative minded individual on the current mod staff. Have you gone to El Jeffe to point this pattern out? Have you tried to point out an example of that particular pattern to any of the mods in the past?
Can you provide examples of it now?
I'm not saying you're both liars, I'm sure there's a solid basis for your statements. But we need to be shown what's being done that is wrong before you can expect any changes to occur. If you guys are willing to put in the effort exposing instances that you find problematic, I've got no doubt that the D&D mods will be willing to at least discuss them in the mod forum, and if you can't find a D&D mod to bring up your concerns there for you, go outside D&D. A lot of mods read forums beyond their "home" forum and would be interested in helping make those forums better places in general if someone pointed out a way they could do so.
Remember, we're still forumers in addition to being mods.
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A lot don't read the rules thread as it is, what would having additional stickies do?
I agree with this point. Would it be possible to have them as part of the signing up agreement (which I know people typically don't read but at least they wouldn't be taking up front page space), and then have a main master sticky here in the monkey den containing all the rules for all the various sub forums?
t Shinto:
I agree on that point. I think it's more of a problem in G&T than it is in D&D.
I disagree, in that Shinto is referring to new posters especially. It gets really bad in D&D. People bust out the "olo stupid newbie and his conservative (or rarely overly liberal)ideas" and continue to egg the guy on. He'll keep on defending his point, and keep arguing, and eventually say something a mod finds offensive, and the kid'll get banned more or less for having an unpopular (and yeah, probably wrong) opinion.
I've never seen anyone get banned in G&T for just having an unpopular opinion, just for obvious trolling. But there is a real pattern of what I described going on in D&D. Happens once or twice a month.
Yeah, people will get on you for having unpopular views in G&T. I got flamed countless times for voicing my dissatisfaction with some aspects of the Wii. It is a real problem, yeah. I don't know that this has ever resulted in someone not posting, however. I think the problem is far worse in D&D.
Yeah, D&D has becoming stifling in its basic liberal consensus. You can disagree a little bit within the accepted perameters but if you step outside of that you are going to get a mob of very insulting abusive people suddenly attacking you.
I don't think you're being completely fair here. I'm browsing through the banned list and looking at people banned by D&D mods and they were either people with a long history of trolling and retarded behavior (FourthPoint, sanke) or their opening salvo wasn't merely unpopular, but bigoted and hateful (venmax and his anti-muslim tirades, russia32's alt and his "gays shouldn't vote" thread).
Now if you're talking about people getting dogpiled over their unpopular opinions, that's a different issue and I partly agree that it's a problem, I'm just not sure if it's a problem that is best solved through policy. Should it be the mods' job to coddle people with unpopular opinions?
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I think a game on subforum would fail though, as it did before.
Well, what if one of the existing forums was used?
Me, I like to talk to about hockey, but the NHL thread in D&D doesn't get much traffic. I can respect the fact that the forum population doesn't feel much like talking about it. Thats just the way things are.
Beyond ensuring that threads on certain subjects aren't assasinated by people who dont like that subject, I dont see any reason for any further policies.
The mod coverage in G&T is better and I find myself having to PM a mod less and less. So god job adding more mods. I’ll still meta mod (IE PM mods) whenever I see some stupid stuff in G&T.
I don’t think an “upcoming games†stick is a good idea because it will turn into one huge mega thread that will be a bear to try to keep up with or updated. That is why I’ve been against the console mega thread idea for a while. Sure I’ll post in the PS3 thread or the DS thread but news about specific games gets lost quickly in those. I think it’s time to kill the “talk about it in the X system mega thread†as some items of news are worthy of their own thread.
Also we are losing some forumers. Some are vocal about why they are leaving others are saying “it’s just because†I think that the Mods should try to get a hold of those people and see why they left. That might be the best course of making changes. Sure I know some people are bitter still over the chat thread and they left because of that. But I’ve seen some people say “I’m leaving because of the way things changed†without saying what change bothered them. There might be some really good feedback to learn from or throw away.
Just doing m'job, sir.
I fully support this idea.
If we're talking about game releases, it would probably only need to be updated on a monthly basis. But I think this would go a long way towards taking the sting out of having the megathreads disappear, personally.
I find it's easier to IM you as you're the only mod I ever see online. :P
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I agree with this. I think banning people who post in Spam threads though might be a bit extreme. Jailings are fine but banning is going a bit far. I mean sure they should know better but it's also people are... well... dumb and sometimes can't help themselves.
Also unless the forum code is weird (which it may very well be) it would not be hard to delete the spam thread even if people have posted in it.
I know this is a code related thing but since we are such a heavily modified version of PHP maybe we could enact the verification E-mail standard? you know the E-mail that mails you a verification link? It might not stop the spammers but it could slow them down a bit.
edit: damn me and having to work while I was posting this.
i'm pretty sure a mod or admin has said that that's the exact problem. once someone posts in a thread, the thread itself cannot be deleted...
you also can't delete an individual post once someone has posted after it in a thread. databases can be a royal pain to code for sometimes...
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It's in place already.
I wouldn't have been too thrilled about it in SE, but it's off topic so I wouldn't have flipped out.
I don't see why this is beyond overkill.
If G&T is the first place that new people go, having a thread dedicated to stuff they are looking for or are interested in can help a lot.
For example:
The DS megathread of yore used to get questions about screen protectors all the time. Which ones to buy. How to put them on. Where to buy them from. And it used to pop up repeatedly. I still see screen protector threads from time to time. If there was a place of reference, then we could send everyone to the DS Sticky or the Handheld Gaming Sticky or whatever.
Plus, if it's updated then it can be a one-stop place for general information and forum recommendations and such. I think it might also help cut down on the "Guys, I just got a PS2/DS/PSP/GC/XBox what games should I get?" threads.
So the problem is with the number of stickies and not the content of the stickies? Consolidate them, then.
The number of stickies aside, do you see any issues with instituting something like that?
How, exactly, would you combine the Ventrilo thread with the Photoshop thread?
(this is a rhetorical question)
That reminds me. Search works again... so what's the point of the G&T Reference thread now? Most of the threads in it have drifted off the front page for inactivity, and I don't think anybody would care if someone made... say... a new Pokemon thread instead of looking for the one that's buried some 15 pages in.
Consolidate all console information into one thread and all handheld information into another. 2 stickies instead of one for each piece of hardware on the market.
1. The less the better
2. If it's a regular thread and it needs to be stickied so it doesn't fall off the page, maybe there isn't enough interest to warrant it.
its so useless
If I understand correctly, G&T is supposed to be the most welcoming and inviting of all the subforums. If having a mini-AFK for gaming hardware adds 1 or 2 stickies, is it really that big of a deal?
Personally, I think that would be quite helpful to newcomers. Maybe not as much to established forumers so I doubt that by itself it would stay on the first page.
A lot don't read the rules thread as it is, what would having additional stickies do? I don't really see a reason to list hardware specs or game info in stickies, since that's what the forum is there to discuss. I think hardware stickies should only be made if a question is being asked incessantly, "How do I turn on my PS3?" and then only temporarily.
I'm just not seeing the benefit to additional stickies. It's not like we have an AFK sticky in G&T as it is and there doesn't seem to be a problem, so what exactly would it offer new people and what perceived problem would it fix?
I'm backing Invisible and CT here. They've both been around for ages, and they both know what they're talking about.
We don't need more stickies. The whole argument for more stickies is ridiculous at best and at worst, a thinly veiled ploy to bring back "megathreads" in a more officious and silly manner. They are not needed. If you want to talk about a game, make a thread. WE ARE NOT RUNNING LOW ON E-TREES AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE MORE THREADS.
Now,
t Shinto:
I agree on that point. I think it's more of a problem in G&T than it is in D&D.
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I don't know. I really only post in D&D. It happens too much there though for my taste.
I've never seen anyone get banned in G&T for just having an unpopular opinion, just for obvious trolling. But there is a real pattern of what I described going on in D&D. Happens once or twice a month.
Yeah, people will get on you for having unpopular views in G&T. I got flamed countless times for voicing my dissatisfaction with some aspects of the Wii. It is a real problem, yeah. I don't know that this has ever resulted in someone not posting, however. I think the problem is far worse in D&D.
Yeah, D&D has becoming stifling in its basic liberal consensus. You can disagree a little bit within the accepted perameters but if you step outside of that you are going to get a mob of very insulting abusive people suddenly attacking you.
Can you provide examples of it now?
I'm not saying you're both liars, I'm sure there's a solid basis for your statements. But we need to be shown what's being done that is wrong before you can expect any changes to occur. If you guys are willing to put in the effort exposing instances that you find problematic, I've got no doubt that the D&D mods will be willing to at least discuss them in the mod forum, and if you can't find a D&D mod to bring up your concerns there for you, go outside D&D. A lot of mods read forums beyond their "home" forum and would be interested in helping make those forums better places in general if someone pointed out a way they could do so.
Remember, we're still forumers in addition to being mods.
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I agree with this point. Would it be possible to have them as part of the signing up agreement (which I know people typically don't read but at least they wouldn't be taking up front page space), and then have a main master sticky here in the monkey den containing all the rules for all the various sub forums?
I don't think you're being completely fair here. I'm browsing through the banned list and looking at people banned by D&D mods and they were either people with a long history of trolling and retarded behavior (FourthPoint, sanke) or their opening salvo wasn't merely unpopular, but bigoted and hateful (venmax and his anti-muslim tirades, russia32's alt and his "gays shouldn't vote" thread).
Now if you're talking about people getting dogpiled over their unpopular opinions, that's a different issue and I partly agree that it's a problem, I'm just not sure if it's a problem that is best solved through policy. Should it be the mods' job to coddle people with unpopular opinions?
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.