Man I've got an example from D&D. Some people mentioned that whites are still controlling blacks and I disagreed. I said that real progress had been made in race relations and while yes, we still have a longs way to go, blacks are not still "dominated and controlled" by whites anymore.
And hoo boy. I evidently was a white supremacist and I saw people saying in the Chat Thread how "Talonrazor says white man is oppressed, olol". So eh. If you aren't a liberal and you post in D&D, then you must be a fucking idiot.
This is what I'm saying.
Again, I'm putting forth this simple suggestion:
If you feel you're being unjustifiably harassed for having a dissenting opinion, shoot a mod a PM with some examples of the harassment and ask them to step in. If they blow you off or ignore you, find someone else. You should very quickly find someone who will give you a reasonable response regarding whether or not they see a real problem. Generally speaking, if you're reasonable in your request, we'll do our best to be reasonable in our reply.
"u need to ban theez gays" isn't going to be seen as a reasonable request, for the record.
Yeah . . . thanks.
I'm not looking for a rule change, just to bring this tendency to the D&D Mods attention, since this thread requested my views on how to make the forum better.
I get the feeling you are annoyed somehow. It isn't like I'm complaining. I'm a reg. I like all the other regs. I've noticed that sometimes there is a dynamic that is really hard on new guys and dissenters. We don't need to address this through some kind of process. I just thought I'd bring it up for the Mods to think about.
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I'm not annoyed at all. Just pointing out that generally speaking, until you've brought the issue forward, you're relying on someone noticing the problem on their own and yeah sometimes we catch things but if you ever want something done soon you should probably take steps to make sure it gets noticed.
Bringing it up in here is a good step, but nothing helps like a good example. And this thread will eventually go away, and maybe a replacement will be made, maybe not, but either way we're still totally open to PMs. Everything discussed in this thread so far is absolutely something you could PM us about if this thread was never created.
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If anyone notices any good examples of the Death To Noobs mentality in D&D and posts about them in here, send me a PM as well. Keeping D&D as friendly as is reasonable for a PA forum is important to me, so I want to make sure we're not turning into a bunch of xenophobic assholes.
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I don't really get what people are complaining about (the only concession is perhaps antagonizing D&D posters, I guess)
What is wrong with you guys
The forums work what do you want
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I have more of a request, really. Seeing as I'm not quite on top of it all the damned time, could I persuade the G&T mods to jump on adding Game On threads to the sticky there? I realize it is a huge bbcode mess, but I do have a backup of it on my computer in a text document should something terrible happen.
If any huge improvements to Game Ons have been made or suggested, I'll probably catch it as I'm about to read through this whole thread. But improving on them would probably be the one thing I care about most.
Basically, I think this policy should go into affect for the betterment of G&T as a whole.
Dont ever let Terrorbyte post again.
Basically, people who seem to go into threads and take the opposing side, just bacause(I actually have no problem with this most of the time, see the next part), then procede to argue in the most fucktastic way possible. Like saying everything sucks a about something, then hiding behind the shield of "Oh, you guys just dont like the fact that I dont like your 'insert object' as much as I should" When, in realtiy, they're just being a huge cock about everything
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited December 2006
We should punish people who take an unpopular opinion?
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
We should punish people who take an unpopular opinion?
No, i think we should punish the people who spew retard comments into every thread they post in.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited December 2006
Can you point out to particular examples?
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
You may want to check out the Zune thread for starters. The last page (currently page 6 i believe) is a pretty good example. He also seems to have a running history with this sort of thing. Not all of his comments are are bad, just most.
Also, I have no problems with the unpopular/dissenting opinions. I almost dont have a problem with doing just to be the "other side". But when retarded statements, untruths, made up crap, and calling people who say the zune has some good features the fucking "Street team" for, the line from good natured debate to someone starting crap has been crossed.
EDIT: We seem to have a spmmer in the Monkey Den. Wow.
There's a huge difference between stating an unpopular opinion for the sake of discussion, and going into a thread for the sole purpose of spouting crap just to start a flamewar.
The dude had to be told by Captain K to stop shitting in the wii threads, and he gave some sass, went on his merry way, and continues to shit in other threads. Other members have been banned for much much less.
Well, that's just Terrorbyte, unless I'm confusing him with someone else that's all he does. He goes into threads and posts stupid crap. I think they actually ran him out of GV for it. I'm not sure why he's gotten away with it for as long as he has, but I think his behavior is covered by the rules, it just needs to be brought to mod attention.
Though, really G&T as a whole needs to calm down when someone posts an unpopular opinion. If someone posts something negative in the say the Halo or Zelda thread, well-researched or not, a lot of forumers go apeshit, like they just insulted their mother.
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Having three stickies is just ugly. G&T has too many as it is. Just my personal aesthetics.
That reminds me. Search works again... so what's the point of the G&T Reference thread now? Most of the threads in it have drifted off the front page for inactivity, and I don't think anybody would care if someone made... say... a new Pokemon thread instead of looking for the one that's buried some 15 pages in.
I noticed that ever since the recreation of the rules thread in G&T that the Reference Desk was getting more hits (views). Up to the mods on whether or not to keep it.
Having three stickies is just ugly. G&T has too many as it is. Just my personal aesthetics.
That reminds me. Search works again... so what's the point of the G&T Reference thread now? Most of the threads in it have drifted off the front page for inactivity, and I don't think anybody would care if someone made... say... a new Pokemon thread instead of looking for the one that's buried some 15 pages in.
I noticed that ever since the recreation of the rules thread in G&T that the Reference Desk was getting more hits (views). Up to the mods on whether or not to keep it.
You mean the rules thread that has had 75% as many hits in 33% of the time? Or are we talking about some other mythical rules thread? Because, you know, the numbers are right there. There's nothing to notice except cold hard unrelenting math.
A quote compression funciton would be cool. Click it to uncompress the quote to see that was said if you need it. The big downside would be it is still sending all that extra text.
A quote compression funciton would be cool. Click it to uncompress the quote to see that was said if you need it. The big downside would be it is still sending all that extra text.
I... I hope you're joking.
That's I believe the default behavior for spoilers on vanilla PHPBB forums, a Javascript-based togglable collapsing function. I think that'd definitely be nicer than the current practice. It -shouldn't- require much (if almost any) coding either since you're just replacing how the tag is parsed.
Then again, the universal response thus far to anything involving coding in this thread has been "impossible!"
Yeah, we can't get anything coding based done. You think what, we're just saying that to be dicks? You don't think I want stuff fixed? I fucking do. You really want to hear why it's impossible? Because Alpha turns up once every six fucking months when the entire site has ground to a halt, makes three posts, laps up the adoration of the forum populace for doing his fucking job, bitches about how he isn't getting paid, calls me a dick and then leaves. So no, I don't know anything about coding but I know our coder and it'd be quicker to pray for divine intervention in the forum software.
But hey, in six months or so I'll probably get demodded for this post so it's not all bad.
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Yeah, we can't get anything coding based done. You think what, we're just saying that to be dicks? You don't think I want stuff fixed? I fucking do. You really want to hear why it's impossible? Because Alpha turns up once every six fucking months when the entire site has ground to a halt, makes three posts, laps up the adoration of the forum populace for doing his fucking job, bitches about how he isn't getting paid, calls me a dick and then leaves. So no, I don't know anything about coding but I know our coder and it'd be quicker to pray for divine intervention in the forum software.
But hey, in six months or so I'll probably get demodded for this post so it's not all bad.
That's only if you cross Whippy. He doesn't fuck around.
A quote compression funciton would be cool. Click it to uncompress the quote to see that was said if you need it. The big downside would be it is still sending all that extra text.
I... I hope you're joking.
That's I believe the default behavior for spoilers on vanilla PHPBB forums, a Javascript-based togglable collapsing function. I think that'd definitely be nicer than the current practice. It -shouldn't- require much (if almost any) coding either since you're just replacing how the tag is parsed.
Then again, the universal response thus far to anything involving coding in this thread has been "impossible!"
I meant extra text as giant hidden quote trees, not code.
Yeah, we can't get anything coding based done. You think what, we're just saying that to be dicks? You don't think I want stuff fixed? I fucking do. You really want to hear why it's impossible? Because Alpha turns up once every six fucking months when the entire site has ground to a halt, makes three posts, laps up the adoration of the forum populace for doing his fucking job, bitches about how he isn't getting paid, calls me a dick and then leaves. So no, I don't know anything about coding but I know our coder and it'd be quicker to pray for divine intervention in the forum software.
But hey, in six months or so I'll probably get demodded for this post so it's not all bad.
Yeah yeah. I was just getting annoyed at the response to every little coding suggestion being "it's impossible" or "maybe when the next board upgrade happens." Honesty is good, and with the rampant and persistent problems that the board and main site are having... and this is more of just a rhetorical question... why is Alpha still trying to juggle all this when it's clearly not working?
Hell, we have enough coders here with enough time on their hands to look over, edit, clean up and modify some code. Unless the jailing code is proprietary or something, I'd love it if we moved to a more opensource approach to making the forum work.
I don't think opensource is necessarily a good idea, because it leaves the code open to people fucking it up, but the fact is that I know at least one person who would do a better job than Alpha, is definitely trustworthy and would do it for free.
I mean, fair enough, he has college and that's important. More important than the forums. This is true. But if you don't have the time to do something, step the fuck aside and let someone do a proper job.
I don't think opensource is necessarily a good idea, because it leaves the code open to people fucking it up, but the fact is that I know at least one person who would do a better job than Alpha, is definitely trustworthy and would do it for free.
I mean, fair enough, he has college and that's important. More important than the forums. This is true. But if you don't have the time to do something, step the fuck aside and let someone do a proper job.
I was thinking more along the lines of "some person in charge gives task to peon group/subforum of tinkerers, they futz around and add/remove/cleanup/whatever, send it back and he checks it or sets it up in some secure area to make sure everything works/do some generic tests on it/etc etc, then it gets implemented and can be rolled back if there is an issue."
A quote compression funciton would be cool. Click it to uncompress the quote to see that was said if you need it. The big downside would be it is still sending all that extra text.
I... I hope you're joking.
I meant extra text as giant hidden quote trees, not code.
Text is tiny. Microcosmic. Why would sending more text be an issue? Hell, your avatar is easily worth at least a few thousand words. I'm not sure I even understand what point you're trying to make.
The problem being that we need a decent person at the helm.
Perhaps taking it up with the higher powers would fix that. I like alphamonkey fine as a person, but I definitely agree that he is away from the forums from far too long and seems to have his hands way too full trying to manage the server/code type shit for the site. It's pretty bad when the main site gets dragged down too because its code has been neglected.
The problem being that we need a decent person at the helm.
Perhaps taking it up with the higher powers would fix that. I like alphamonkey fine as a person, but I definitely agree that he is away from the forums from far too long and seems to have his hands way too full trying to manage the server/code type shit for the site. It's pretty bad when the main site gets dragged down too because its code has been neglected.
And y'know, the main site is broken in a lot of fairly significant ways, such as not actually being able to access the comic from it most of the time. I figure someone must have taken it up with robert by now
By the way guys, this is the opinion of Tube, not the moderating staff or PA or anyone else. Just me. Don't read anyone else's opinion into it.
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The problem being that we need a decent person at the helm.
Perhaps taking it up with the higher powers would fix that. I like alphamonkey fine as a person, but I definitely agree that he is away from the forums from far too long and seems to have his hands way too full trying to manage the server/code type shit for the site. It's pretty bad when the main site gets dragged down too because its code has been neglected.
And y'know, the main site is broken in a lot of fairly significant ways, such as not actually being able to access the comic from it most of the time. I figure someone must have taken it up with robert by now
By the way guys, this is the opinion of Tube, not the moderating staff or PA or anyone else. Just me. Don't read anyone else's opinion into it.
Except for Angel of Bacon. I know you two are tight. Possibly even alts of each other.
Is Alpha actually responsible for the main site as well? I thought he was just the forum tech monkey.
Either way, if he doesn't have the time to devote to the forums and there are people with both the time and the expertise to do the job, he should probably step aside.
The problem being that we need a decent person at the helm.
Perhaps taking it up with the higher powers would fix that. I like alphamonkey fine as a person, but I definitely agree that he is away from the forums from far too long and seems to have his hands way too full trying to manage the server/code type shit for the site. It's pretty bad when the main site gets dragged down too because its code has been neglected.
And y'know, the main site is broken in a lot of fairly significant ways, such as not actually being able to access the comic from it most of the time. I figure someone must have taken it up with robert by now
By the way guys, this is the opinion of Tube, not the moderating staff or PA or anyone else. Just me. Don't read anyone else's opinion into it.
The main site isn't in alpha's hands, though. Even if he were available and ready to fix it, I'm pretty damned certain that there are politics involved there.
The thing is, PA has always had a very "'good enough' is good enough" attitude towards the site. This is really nothing new.
I think the really terrifying thought is that this is the least broken everything has ever been. It's still nowhere near where it all should be given the amount of business this site is pulling in, if you ask me, but it's at least somewhere.
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Yeah . . . thanks.
I'm not looking for a rule change, just to bring this tendency to the D&D Mods attention, since this thread requested my views on how to make the forum better.
I get the feeling you are annoyed somehow. It isn't like I'm complaining. I'm a reg. I like all the other regs. I've noticed that sometimes there is a dynamic that is really hard on new guys and dissenters. We don't need to address this through some kind of process. I just thought I'd bring it up for the Mods to think about.
I'm not annoyed at all. Just pointing out that generally speaking, until you've brought the issue forward, you're relying on someone noticing the problem on their own and yeah sometimes we catch things but if you ever want something done soon you should probably take steps to make sure it gets noticed.
Bringing it up in here is a good step, but nothing helps like a good example. And this thread will eventually go away, and maybe a replacement will be made, maybe not, but either way we're still totally open to PMs. Everything discussed in this thread so far is absolutely something you could PM us about if this thread was never created.
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What is wrong with you guys
The forums work what do you want
If any huge improvements to Game Ons have been made or suggested, I'll probably catch it as I'm about to read through this whole thread. But improving on them would probably be the one thing I care about most.
Dont ever let Terrorbyte post again.
Basically, people who seem to go into threads and take the opposing side, just bacause(I actually have no problem with this most of the time, see the next part), then procede to argue in the most fucktastic way possible. Like saying everything sucks a about something, then hiding behind the shield of "Oh, you guys just dont like the fact that I dont like your 'insert object' as much as I should" When, in realtiy, they're just being a huge cock about everything
Also, I have no problems with the unpopular/dissenting opinions. I almost dont have a problem with doing just to be the "other side". But when retarded statements, untruths, made up crap, and calling people who say the zune has some good features the fucking "Street team" for, the line from good natured debate to someone starting crap has been crossed.
EDIT: We seem to have a spmmer in the Monkey Den. Wow.
The dude had to be told by Captain K to stop shitting in the wii threads, and he gave some sass, went on his merry way, and continues to shit in other threads. Other members have been banned for much much less.
Though, really G&T as a whole needs to calm down when someone posts an unpopular opinion. If someone posts something negative in the say the Halo or Zelda thread, well-researched or not, a lot of forumers go apeshit, like they just insulted their mother.
You mean the rules thread that has had 75% as many hits in 33% of the time? Or are we talking about some other mythical rules thread? Because, you know, the numbers are right there. There's nothing to notice except cold hard unrelenting math.
If would be nice if jailed users could still use
This is less for the jailed users' benefit and more for the benefit of the general readership.
Of course, I'm positive this has already been thought of, but I figured I'd voice it anyway.
Covered at length already (page 8 through 12 or so). Not possible under the way jailing is currently implemented.
I always wanted a feature that puts long links into URL tags automatically, shrinks big images automatically and cuts quotes after three posts.
Actually, you can add scrollbars to individual too-wide posts with about two lines of CSS.
I... I hope you're joking.
That's I believe the default behavior for spoilers on vanilla PHPBB forums, a Javascript-based togglable collapsing function. I think that'd definitely be nicer than the current practice. It -shouldn't- require much (if almost any) coding either since you're just replacing how the tag is parsed.
Then again, the universal response thus far to anything involving coding in this thread has been "impossible!"
But hey, in six months or so I'll probably get demodded for this post so it's not all bad.
I meant extra text as giant hidden quote trees, not code.
Yeah yeah. I was just getting annoyed at the response to every little coding suggestion being "it's impossible" or "maybe when the next board upgrade happens." Honesty is good, and with the rampant and persistent problems that the board and main site are having... and this is more of just a rhetorical question... why is Alpha still trying to juggle all this when it's clearly not working?
Hell, we have enough coders here with enough time on their hands to look over, edit, clean up and modify some code. Unless the jailing code is proprietary or something, I'd love it if we moved to a more opensource approach to making the forum work.
I mean, fair enough, he has college and that's important. More important than the forums. This is true. But if you don't have the time to do something, step the fuck aside and let someone do a proper job.
I was thinking more along the lines of "some person in charge gives task to peon group/subforum of tinkerers, they futz around and add/remove/cleanup/whatever, send it back and he checks it or sets it up in some secure area to make sure everything works/do some generic tests on it/etc etc, then it gets implemented and can be rolled back if there is an issue."
Text is tiny. Microcosmic. Why would sending more text be an issue? Hell, your avatar is easily worth at least a few thousand words. I'm not sure I even understand what point you're trying to make.
Yeah, I nominate Mad Morlock.
And y'know, the main site is broken in a lot of fairly significant ways, such as not actually being able to access the comic from it most of the time. I figure someone must have taken it up with robert by now
By the way guys, this is the opinion of Tube, not the moderating staff or PA or anyone else. Just me. Don't read anyone else's opinion into it.
Except for Angel of Bacon. I know you two are tight. Possibly even alts of each other.
Either way, if he doesn't have the time to devote to the forums and there are people with both the time and the expertise to do the job, he should probably step aside.
Forums made of lego?
He'd speed up the forums by transmitting the data across the interconnects of the tubes and not the tubes themselves.
The main site isn't in alpha's hands, though. Even if he were available and ready to fix it, I'm pretty damned certain that there are politics involved there.
The thing is, PA has always had a very "'good enough' is good enough" attitude towards the site. This is really nothing new.
I think the really terrifying thought is that this is the least broken everything has ever been. It's still nowhere near where it all should be given the amount of business this site is pulling in, if you ask me, but it's at least somewhere.
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