That's the thing, the pyramid is even bigger, plus its entirely stationary
If we knew that it housed a huge immobile sun-eating doomsday device, I don't see why they didn't fire another shot
The only conceivable reason I can think of for not shooting the pyramid is that they didn't have a clear shot, or they were afraid of prematurely activating the sun gun.
That's the thing, the pyramid is even bigger, plus its entirely stationary
If we knew that it housed a huge immobile sun-eating doomsday device, I don't see why they didn't fire another shot
The only conceivable reason I can think of for not shooting the pyramid is that they didn't have a clear shot, or they were afraid of prematurely activating the sun gun.
I am pretty sure they didn't know about the sun gun. Because, you know, some dude just radioed them on his walkie, yelled about clearance and gave them GPS coordinates to fire a top secret weapon into a country we aren't at war with.
That's the thing, the pyramid is even bigger, plus its entirely stationary
If we knew that it housed a huge immobile sun-eating doomsday device, I don't see why they didn't fire another shot
The only conceivable reason I can think of for not shooting the pyramid is that they didn't have a clear shot, or they were afraid of prematurely activating the sun gun.
See it's interesting because I was making the exact same excuses
Devastator was only just within their LOS, or maybe they're scared the energy discharge would kickstart the damn thing
And I'm aware that they weren't in the know originally, but the agent was, and he could've easily called in an additional shot what with his masterful grasp of diplomacy
There's just so many things that could've been addressed with a little bit of dialogue in place of some of the terrible crap that actually made it into the script
Speaking of which, I saw the film with a friend who could barely catch a word that Scalpel/The Doctor was saying (that little Decepticon with the flip-down eye lenses and weird voice) so from his point of view, the scene where they're trying to salvage Megatron featured Scalpel gibbering something incoherent and then his comrades randomly murdering one of their fellows
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I stopped trying to understand him when I realized he was speaking in what was probably cybertronian. Kind of like Frenzy in the first film. The occasional english word is heard here and there, but other then that, nothing understandable.
No, in his first appearance he says "Need parts... kill the little one!" and even when he's about to "operate" on Sam he's speaking in English, I just can't recall what
But yeah a far more sensible approach would've been to have him speak in Cybertronian and subtitle him or something
Maybe the railgun has a super long reload time. You know like the real prototypes do.
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Well none of the regular military guys knew about the rail gun, and the guy that called in the fire mission wasn't in a position to call fire at the main fight.
Now, I've mentioned this before in this thread, but once again I'm going to bring up the Japanese Brave series of transforming robot shows. Takara make these shows right after they made Transformers Victory, and they comprised 8 different shows from 1990 to 1997, each featuring their own different set of robots fighting evil and whatnot. It can be considered a cousin to Transformers. The most well known show out of these would be the last one, GaoGaiGar.
The main draw of the toys of these shows is the fact that nearly all of the robot comrpise teams that combine with themselves to make a larger robot, much like the old combiners such as Devastator and Superion and what have you in Transformers G1. Brave robots however usually ended up being a lot larger in their final combined form than many of the G1 combiners.
Recently I acquired one of these, the first one I've been able to complete, because they're generally very expensive. This particular giant robot comes from the third Brave series, Brave of Legend Da Garn. So either skip the spoilers if you don't care or have a look if you're interested.
The Brave of Legend Da Garn tells the story, every Brave show, of good robots fighting bad robots. In this particular version the robot are actually born from the spirit of the earth in order to fight off alien invaders. The Sabers are the name of this particular fighting team, the second team to come around in the show, sio they're not the main fighting force but they are interesting in their own way.
The first Saber is Shuttle Saber. He's a space shuttle.
One thing you have to be able to deal with in Brave figures in the very limited articulation, really not that much better than regular G1 toys. This is pretty much forced on them due to the amount of combining though, so if you're a fan of combination you just have to accept it.
Shuttle Saber has at least a little leg articulation though.
Jumbo Saber is a jumbo jet. There's a distinct pattern to their names if you can spot it!
I'm not sure how clear it is, but each of these comes with their own sticker sheet. So if you're like me and actually enjoy applying stickers (even if they eventually tend to start coming off) then that's a definite plus.
Next up is Jet Saber. Guess what he turns into.
He kinds of leans forward in robot mode due to his fin feet, so I kinda bent his knees to take that picture. It came off kind of awkward.
Together these three robots merge to form the powerful Sky Saber!
Sky Saber wields a weapon formed from the weapons of the individual robots and probably tears shit up in the cartoon I don't know I've never actually seen it.
Anyway, we're not done! Sky Saber actually dies somewhat early in the series, but is later resurrected and comes back with a new, even more interesting form.
First however, the Saber team gains a new partner, Hawk Saber.
He's even less articulated then the others, but there's a very good reason for that. When Sky Saber combines with Hawk Saber, the legendary Pegasus Saber is born.
Yeah so Pegasus Saber is basically like some sort of flying centaur robot. This is probably one of the most original combiners of anything, considering the four legged nature of it. See if you can spot exactly where each piece of Hawk Saber goes to form Pegasus Saber.
it's a bit unfortunate that this arrived when RotF talk is still in full swing, but I'm impatient and wanted this down. So now back to your regularly scheduled movie talk.
It's kind of funny how we have all these pages in this thread of people complaining about how RotF has all kinds of toilet humor and dick jokes, and then every post commenting on Pegasus Saber has been an ass, dick or gay joke. I'm not saying it isn't somewhat warranted, since it does kind of look like a robot shoving its head up a robot's ass. It's still funny to me though.
There is a cultural sub-sect of people that act just like that. To say that basing the personalities of two comedic effect characters on a certain archetype of person is racist is akin to saying that George Lucas is a gay basher because of C-3P0.
OK so I saw this last night and it was probably the single worst movie I've seen in five years or so. I mean I went in incredibly stoned and very much prepared for either pleasant surprise or relishing a so-bad-it's-good scenario but holy god did it exceed my expectations in the shit-house department.
Literally nothing in this movie made sense. And I know some of you don't care if things make sense as long as giant robots fight each other (and I did genuinely, un-ironically enjoy those bits), but it was really baffling. Like, it's been said before, but why the fuck did the original primes bury themselves, and not just leave? Why the fuck were they on earth in the first place anyway? None of it made any sense, even in the Transformers universe. Like, I don't even give a shit that they have mouths and all seem to spit and bleed and breathe a whole lot, I can get past that, but the entire premise for the conflict of the film made no sense.
And the racism bots oh my god. The comic relief was two cross-eyed, dim-witted robots who fought constantly, spoke like black stereotypes from 1961, and were illiterate and had gold teeth. WHAT.
Oh and the constant, poorly-written innuendo. I mean I'm a fan of dick jokes but these were all just terrible and non-stop.
The military porn was also laughable. I swear a good 30 minutes of that movie was film of planes taking off cut directly from Navy commercials. I also like Michael Bay's ever-so-subtle nod to "diplomacy" as basically queer surrender queerness for queers. Fuck the president! We should just let the military run the country. MURIKA.
I mean, seriously, Star Trek is an example of how easy it should be to write and direct a coherent movie despite goofy source material. Red matter, Romulans, warp drives, etc -- all ridiculous, but it doesn't matter because it's technical nonsense plot vehicles. The conflict, the characters in that movie made sense. Also all the great action movies nerds supposedly love follow the convention of not being retarded: Predator, Alien, Aliens, Terminator 1 & 2 (even time travel makes more sense than this did!), Dark Knight, Star Trek II, etc.
This movie was the film equivalent of a stereotypical hillbilly republican -- Loud, stupid, incomprehensible, sexist, racist, jingoistic, and gross.
And, again, if you don't care about any of that because as long as you get to see robots fighting, you're happy: fine, that's your priorities, that's legitimate, but don't act like this movie wasn't deeply flawed from the first second to the last.
I know you're being sarcastic but it's worth mentioning that I enjoyed myself because I love movies that are unspeakably awful. I still regret not seeing live-action Dragonball on the big screen.
It's like this beautiful cultural poo-relic. Like how we can examine the stool of a person to learn something about their health, or scientists examine feces of animals to learn more about them -- this cultural turd has something to tell all of us about ourselves.
Literally nothing in this movie made sense. And I know some of you don't care if things make sense as long as giant robots fight each other (and I did genuinely, un-ironically enjoy those bits), but it was really baffling. Like, it's been said before, but why the fuck did the original primes bury themselves, and not just leave? Why the fuck were they on earth in the first place anyway? None of it made any sense, even in the Transformers universe. Like, I don't even give a shit that they have mouths and all seem to spit and bleed and breathe a whole lot, I can get past that, but the entire premise for the conflict of the film made no sense.
Actually, in this instance you're wrong. I'm not trying to defend it, and certainly the plot could have been laid-out better. However:
there were seven Primes, and they had devised a machine that could effectively consume a sun and use that energy to power Cybertron and keep their people truly immortal. They had a rule, though: not on an inhabited planet. If one's inhabited, oh well, go to the next star over.
The Fallen was either lazy or cruel, though, and decided that he'd found a perfectly good star to claim, even though primitive sentient life was present on it. The other Primes tried to stop him, but couldn't win the battle, and so hid the one thing that could actually make the machine work. To make it impossible for any but someone they deemed worthy to find it, they sacrificed themselves to do it.
Most of the rest of what you said was dead-on, though.
Literally nothing in this movie made sense. And I know some of you don't care if things make sense as long as giant robots fight each other (and I did genuinely, un-ironically enjoy those bits), but it was really baffling. Like, it's been said before, but why the fuck did the original primes bury themselves, and not just leave? Why the fuck were they on earth in the first place anyway? None of it made any sense, even in the Transformers universe. Like, I don't even give a shit that they have mouths and all seem to spit and bleed and breathe a whole lot, I can get past that, but the entire premise for the conflict of the film made no sense.
Actually, in this instance you're wrong. I'm not trying to defend it, and certainly the plot could have been laid-out better. However:
there were seven Primes, and they had devised a machine that could effectively consume a sun and use that energy to power Cybertron and keep their people truly immortal. They had a rule, though: not on an inhabited planet. If one's inhabited, oh well, go to the next star over.
The Fallen was either lazy or cruel, though, and decided that he'd found a perfectly good star to claim, even though primitive sentient life was present on it. The other Primes tried to stop him, but couldn't win the battle, and so hid the one thing that could actually make the machine work. To make it impossible for any but someone they deemed worthy to find it, they sacrificed themselves to do it.
Most of the rest of what you said was dead-on, though.
The question is though, how did they manage to set up this giant fucking thing before noticing all the life? Or if the Fallen went rogue and set it up himself, it still doesn't make sense because there are way more goddamn solar systems without life than with. It's just a deliberately asshole-move, for no gain whatsoever, because they clearly have no problem traversing the galaxy and blowing up suns with ease. And certainly it makes no sense that you'd start a civil war over it! And on top of that, they apparently managed to beat his ass enough to steal the goddamn matrix, and imprison him, I guess? But not kill him. Even though the history-lesson scene shows them stabbing him with giant robot spears. Oh and he never actually appears to be imprisoned in the movie. And while the matrix only materializes for someone with courage and sacrifice, once it's been materialized the Fallen can use it again? So fat lot of good that fucking trick was.
I feel so absurd spoilering anything in this movie. None of it is dramatic or exciting, plot-wise, just stupefying.
I mean people have griped about it before but it's worth griping about again:
Sam goes to fucking robot heaven, and is sent back to earth by giant robot heads in the sky? REALLY?
you went to a movie stoned and are now complaining that it didn't make sense
ok
No no, I don't think you understand.
I understood everything. I was cognizant of the plot in its entirety. It is not hard to follow the plot, in the most literal sense.
However, that plot was fucking retarded. I remember the movie very clearly and upon sober examination it still is fucking stupid.
When I say it makes no sense, I mean that I understood it, in literal terms, but that the basic story structure -- like, say, the conflict -- was so piss-poor that I lack the verbal ability to properly describe how badly-done it was.
I'd just like to contrast, for a moment, the plot of this movie with the plot of another nerd favorite -- TDK.
When a plot is well-constructed, as it was in TDK, you get suspense, excitement, thrill, sadness, anger, etc -- in other words, a well-constructed plot with mostly solid dialogue evokes emotion in the audience, in a way that is satisfying and entertaining. Yes, it's a billionaire who dresses up like a bat. It's sort of a silly premise, and yet from that premise was constructed a very solid fucking film that is enjoyable in ways that ROTF just isn't.
Like, do you people honestly not see the difference between these movies? Are all movies that you enjoy all equally enjoyable? And if not, you realize that has to have a reason behind it, right?
It's like, nerds always talk about how relativism is for pussies and then whoops lol now I want to say that opinions are bad and everything is relative, man, because it is convenient and I am uncomfortable admitting that I enjoyed a bad movie (which is stupid, because there's nothing wrong with that).
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If we knew that it housed a huge immobile sun-eating doomsday device, I don't see why they didn't fire another shot
Also, RE: Railgun questions, I thought we weren't supposed to expect this movie to make sense?
Wait the railgun was consistent with everything else
I withdraw my line of enquiry
The only conceivable reason I can think of for not shooting the pyramid is that they didn't have a clear shot, or they were afraid of prematurely activating the sun gun.
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I am pretty sure they didn't know about the sun gun. Because, you know, some dude just radioed them on his walkie, yelled about clearance and gave them GPS coordinates to fire a top secret weapon into a country we aren't at war with.
AND HE DID
See it's interesting because I was making the exact same excuses
Devastator was only just within their LOS, or maybe they're scared the energy discharge would kickstart the damn thing
And I'm aware that they weren't in the know originally, but the agent was, and he could've easily called in an additional shot what with his masterful grasp of diplomacy
There's just so many things that could've been addressed with a little bit of dialogue in place of some of the terrible crap that actually made it into the script
Speaking of which, I saw the film with a friend who could barely catch a word that Scalpel/The Doctor was saying (that little Decepticon with the flip-down eye lenses and weird voice) so from his point of view, the scene where they're trying to salvage Megatron featured Scalpel gibbering something incoherent and then his comrades randomly murdering one of their fellows
But yeah a far more sensible approach would've been to have him speak in Cybertronian and subtitle him or something
This isn't a coronation, it's bad theater.
bad comedy
close enough
The main draw of the toys of these shows is the fact that nearly all of the robot comrpise teams that combine with themselves to make a larger robot, much like the old combiners such as Devastator and Superion and what have you in Transformers G1. Brave robots however usually ended up being a lot larger in their final combined form than many of the G1 combiners.
Recently I acquired one of these, the first one I've been able to complete, because they're generally very expensive. This particular giant robot comes from the third Brave series, Brave of Legend Da Garn. So either skip the spoilers if you don't care or have a look if you're interested.
The first Saber is Shuttle Saber. He's a space shuttle.
One thing you have to be able to deal with in Brave figures in the very limited articulation, really not that much better than regular G1 toys. This is pretty much forced on them due to the amount of combining though, so if you're a fan of combination you just have to accept it.
Shuttle Saber has at least a little leg articulation though.
Jumbo Saber is a jumbo jet. There's a distinct pattern to their names if you can spot it!
I'm not sure how clear it is, but each of these comes with their own sticker sheet. So if you're like me and actually enjoy applying stickers (even if they eventually tend to start coming off) then that's a definite plus.
Next up is Jet Saber. Guess what he turns into.
He kinds of leans forward in robot mode due to his fin feet, so I kinda bent his knees to take that picture. It came off kind of awkward.
Together these three robots merge to form the powerful Sky Saber!
Sky Saber wields a weapon formed from the weapons of the individual robots and probably tears shit up in the cartoon I don't know I've never actually seen it.
Anyway, we're not done! Sky Saber actually dies somewhat early in the series, but is later resurrected and comes back with a new, even more interesting form.
First however, the Saber team gains a new partner, Hawk Saber.
He's even less articulated then the others, but there's a very good reason for that. When Sky Saber combines with Hawk Saber, the legendary Pegasus Saber is born.
Yeah so Pegasus Saber is basically like some sort of flying centaur robot. This is probably one of the most original combiners of anything, considering the four legged nature of it. See if you can spot exactly where each piece of Hawk Saber goes to form Pegasus Saber.
it's a bit unfortunate that this arrived when RotF talk is still in full swing, but I'm impatient and wanted this down. So now back to your regularly scheduled movie talk.
in for the long-haul for hours at a time and he'll take them to heaven and back
Gayest robot?
Or gayest robot?
It's kind of funny how we have all these pages in this thread of people complaining about how RotF has all kinds of toilet humor and dick jokes, and then every post commenting on Pegasus Saber has been an ass, dick or gay joke. I'm not saying it isn't somewhat warranted, since it does kind of look like a robot shoving its head up a robot's ass. It's still funny to me though.
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Comedy.
Also I wrote a Mosiac on that scene from Galvatron's perspective
So technically I am a published Transformers writer.
I don't have any King Riptor-isms though. I'll have to get on that.
And now because you never saw Daisy Dukes, you're gay.
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Literally nothing in this movie made sense. And I know some of you don't care if things make sense as long as giant robots fight each other (and I did genuinely, un-ironically enjoy those bits), but it was really baffling. Like, it's been said before, but why the fuck did the original primes bury themselves, and not just leave? Why the fuck were they on earth in the first place anyway? None of it made any sense, even in the Transformers universe. Like, I don't even give a shit that they have mouths and all seem to spit and bleed and breathe a whole lot, I can get past that, but the entire premise for the conflict of the film made no sense.
And the racism bots oh my god. The comic relief was two cross-eyed, dim-witted robots who fought constantly, spoke like black stereotypes from 1961, and were illiterate and had gold teeth. WHAT.
Oh and the constant, poorly-written innuendo. I mean I'm a fan of dick jokes but these were all just terrible and non-stop.
The military porn was also laughable. I swear a good 30 minutes of that movie was film of planes taking off cut directly from Navy commercials. I also like Michael Bay's ever-so-subtle nod to "diplomacy" as basically queer surrender queerness for queers. Fuck the president! We should just let the military run the country. MURIKA.
I mean, seriously, Star Trek is an example of how easy it should be to write and direct a coherent movie despite goofy source material. Red matter, Romulans, warp drives, etc -- all ridiculous, but it doesn't matter because it's technical nonsense plot vehicles. The conflict, the characters in that movie made sense. Also all the great action movies nerds supposedly love follow the convention of not being retarded: Predator, Alien, Aliens, Terminator 1 & 2 (even time travel makes more sense than this did!), Dark Knight, Star Trek II, etc.
This movie was the film equivalent of a stereotypical hillbilly republican -- Loud, stupid, incomprehensible, sexist, racist, jingoistic, and gross.
And, again, if you don't care about any of that because as long as you get to see robots fighting, you're happy: fine, that's your priorities, that's legitimate, but don't act like this movie wasn't deeply flawed from the first second to the last.
Is the second one just more of the same or is it on another level of awful?
I know you're being sarcastic but it's worth mentioning that I enjoyed myself because I love movies that are unspeakably awful. I still regret not seeing live-action Dragonball on the big screen.
It's like this beautiful cultural poo-relic. Like how we can examine the stool of a person to learn something about their health, or scientists examine feces of animals to learn more about them -- this cultural turd has something to tell all of us about ourselves.
I thought the first one was decent, dumb action movie fun, for my frame of reference. It at least made some sense.
This one is orders of magnitude worse. You can't really understand how bad it is until you see it.
Actually, in this instance you're wrong. I'm not trying to defend it, and certainly the plot could have been laid-out better. However:
The Fallen was either lazy or cruel, though, and decided that he'd found a perfectly good star to claim, even though primitive sentient life was present on it. The other Primes tried to stop him, but couldn't win the battle, and so hid the one thing that could actually make the machine work. To make it impossible for any but someone they deemed worthy to find it, they sacrificed themselves to do it.
Most of the rest of what you said was dead-on, though.
you went to a movie stoned and are now complaining that it didn't make sense
ok
I feel so absurd spoilering anything in this movie. None of it is dramatic or exciting, plot-wise, just stupefying.
I mean people have griped about it before but it's worth griping about again:
No no, I don't think you understand.
I understood everything. I was cognizant of the plot in its entirety. It is not hard to follow the plot, in the most literal sense.
However, that plot was fucking retarded. I remember the movie very clearly and upon sober examination it still is fucking stupid.
When I say it makes no sense, I mean that I understood it, in literal terms, but that the basic story structure -- like, say, the conflict -- was so piss-poor that I lack the verbal ability to properly describe how badly-done it was.
When a plot is well-constructed, as it was in TDK, you get suspense, excitement, thrill, sadness, anger, etc -- in other words, a well-constructed plot with mostly solid dialogue evokes emotion in the audience, in a way that is satisfying and entertaining. Yes, it's a billionaire who dresses up like a bat. It's sort of a silly premise, and yet from that premise was constructed a very solid fucking film that is enjoyable in ways that ROTF just isn't.
Like, do you people honestly not see the difference between these movies? Are all movies that you enjoy all equally enjoyable? And if not, you realize that has to have a reason behind it, right?
It's like, nerds always talk about how relativism is for pussies and then whoops lol now I want to say that opinions are bad and everything is relative, man, because it is convenient and I am uncomfortable admitting that I enjoyed a bad movie (which is stupid, because there's nothing wrong with that).