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Orgrimmar gets destroyed and a brand new capital is set up? That would be pretty dang awesome to see happen.
The way I'd like to see that is
No matter how hard I try, I look at Orgrimmar and see Temporary-Accomodation written all over it. A new Orgrimmar, although if build by Garrosh probably wouldn't be Orgrimmar, would hopefully follow the more heavily militant design we've seen in Northrend - Certainly a Garrosh-Like system of building.
Hm. Odd.
I went from getting no drops on my warlock to getting all the cloth drops from normal ToC and then getting a Heroic ToC run together and getting a new head piece.
Made me very happy. All I need now is a new pair of boots.
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Just read up on all the leaks and it all sounds very interesting.
The most viable way for them to redo the old world I think would be to just phase it for levels 80-85, where everyone else who's levelling through gets to run through 1-58 as normal. Hell, they could keep their supposed plans for Azshara being a 10-20 zone as well, considering no one ever goes there anyway. :P
Of course, if none of it is true I'm really curious about what the actual expansion might be.
EDIT: Most of the leaks, that is. Just caught up to the bits regarding reconstruction efforts in vanilla areas. Sounds interesting, but also like it'd mess up a lot of old world stuff. I was more hoping for a keep-old-stuff-phase-in-new approach, but it's sure to be interesting either way.
I am 100% in opposition to a phased oldworld. A few weeks ago a friend of mine started playing. Having an 80 to drop by and help them out through really douchebaggy quests was great and probably helped them stay interested in the game.
I am 100% in opposition to a phased oldworld. A few weeks ago a friend of mine started playing. Having an 80 to drop by and help them out through really douchebaggy quests was great and probably helped them stay interested in the game.
Caverns of Time: That Old Crap
Actually, that was more or less my idea for a solution to the cataclysm. Go to the caverns of time, and hop back to the old world for something like helping friends out. Might be a bit of a stretch, but I think it's better than just closing off high level characters from the old areas.
They would have to design it really damn well for it to work, because I can think of a few possible problems that would make it a headache. Stuff like:
-Can I choose where to be ported after I phase through? Or am I stuck in the middle of bumblefuck Tanaris and forced to go from there? The desert isn't the most well connected place, and god help you if your final destination is somewhere in the Eastern Kingdom.
-How easy would it be to not only tell if I'm in the new world or old world, but also to change back? Will I be forced to hearth, or go all the way back to Tanaris to switch?
If they don't address those concerns, then you can probably count on interaction between new and old players to plummet. I'm no longer running friends through SM if it suddenly becomes one giant hassle just to get there now.
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I am curious now that I have read about it on various sites
I am curious about the reception blizzard will get at blizzcon next week how much glee will turn to bitterness after it they pull the curtain back
I am not sold because much of it Thrall being the new Guardian of Tirisfal and 1k needles being flooded was posted on a different forum months and years ago as Fan lolore
Boub and his taunt of running in Paris' streets nude posting the video after the masks leak I think created this
See all that blank space? Look at it. Take it in. It's about 20-30% of the Azeroth landmass. There are huge swaths of unfinished space all over the damn continents. It's not just the Graymane Wall or Hyjal, it's:
- Space between Stormwind, Dun Morogh, about the size of Elwynn Forest.
- Space east of Burning Steppes, south of Badlands, north of Swamp of Sorrows, about the size of Stranglethorn Vale.
- Space south of the Blasted Lands and Zul'Gurub, about the size of Durotar
- The entire east coast of the Eastern Kingdoms, stretching from the Badlands all the way to the Hinterlands, a combined size of Darkshore
- West of Deathknell, about the size of Deadwind Pass
- Space south of Un'Goro Crater, about the same size as Un'Goro.
- The coastline west and south of Silithus, about the size of, oh Stonetalon Mountains or so.
- Blank spots all around Feralas, about the size of Un'Goro
- Huge parts of Stonetalon Mountains, again about the size of Un'Goro
- Spaces north of Moonglade and all around Mount Hyjal, with a combined size of of Felwood or so.
And these spots aren't just blank rolling hills or anything - they're totally unfinished. In order to make the area flyable, that means that Blizzard is going to go back and fill in all that space. And for what? Will the put cool quests there? For whom would the quests be?
If they're going to revamp the entire zones with a cataclysmic event, that means re-doing a landmass that is larger than Northrend and Outlands combined.
That's a ridiculous amount of development time in something that's pretty much already "done."
oh wait you mean for sneaking yeah of course you do
and I imagine a lot of it will be filling in the areas that are missing, that they deem necessary. not every dead zone on the map. then just plopping a mountain on top of or filling in with water those wide open pits of death that would look terrible otherwise and blocking off others with MAGICK cast by a WIZARD
Another thing that makes me skeptical of this is that there's no new announced class for Draenei.
The only classes they don't have already are warlock and rogue and I really don't see either. Rogue maybe. Maaayybbeee
And Druid.
Also, with Human Hunters and Blood Elf warriors, those two races would also bump up to eight of the ten possible classes (both of them missing Shaman and Druid).
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Another thing that makes me skeptical of this is that there's no new announced class for Draenei.
The only classes they don't have already are warlock and rogue and I really don't see either. Rogue maybe. Maaayybbeee
And Druid.
Also, with Human Hunters and Blood Elf warriors, those two races would also bump up to eight of the ten possible classes (both of them missing Shaman and Druid).
Trolls would also be at 8, only missing Paladins and Warlocks.
If the shit about Thrall handing over his leadership to Garrosh and Garrosh ordering the murder of Cairne is even remotely true, I'll probably just roll Alliance.
Because damn, son, peacemaking Thrall handing the reins of the nation that he slaved blood, sweat and tears over to that xenophobic psychopath makes no fucking sense.
If the shit about Thrall handing over his leadership to Garrosh and Garrosh ordering the murder of Cairne is even remotely true, I'll probably just roll Alliance.
Because damn, son, peacemaking Thrall handing the reins of the nation that he slaved blood, sweat and tears over to that xenophobic psychopath makes no fucking sense.
Yeah, dammit, I want to keep my moral high ground about "noble savages".
There is nothing noble about Garrosh.
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"We're not getting vehicles. It's simple a ridiculous amount of development time."
They're game developers.
"A ridiculous amount of development time" is what they do.
See all that blank space? Look at it. Take it in. It's about 20-30% of the Azeroth landmass. There are huge swaths of unfinished space all over the damn continents. It's not just the Graymane Wall or Hyjal, it's:
- Space between Stormwind, Dun Morogh, about the size of Elwynn Forest.
- Space east of Burning Steppes, south of Badlands, north of Swamp of Sorrows, about the size of Stranglethorn Vale.
- Space south of the Blasted Lands and Zul'Gurub, about the size of Durotar
- The entire east coast of the Eastern Kingdoms, stretching from the Badlands all the way to the Hinterlands, a combined size of Darkshore
- West of Deathknell, about the size of Deadwind Pass
- Space south of Un'Goro Crater, about the same size as Un'Goro.
- The coastline west and south of Silithus, about the size of, oh Stonetalon Mountains or so.
- Blank spots all around Feralas, about the size of Un'Goro
- Huge parts of Stonetalon Mountains, again about the size of Un'Goro
- Spaces north of Moonglade and all around Mount Hyjal, with a combined size of of Felwood or so.
And these spots aren't just blank rolling hills or anything - they're totally unfinished. In order to make the area flyable, that means that Blizzard is going to go back and fill in all that space. And for what? Will the put cool quests there? For whom would the quests be?
Uh, considering they're changing Azsharas level to be 10-20, and Barrens is being split into 2 leveling zones, yes they are putting in cool quests and it'll be for everyone?
If they're going to revamp the entire zones with a cataclysmic event, that means re-doing a landmass that is larger than Northrend and Outlands combined.
Yeah it's not like they've never made an entire landmass bigger than both of those!
It's simply impossible.
Not like they did it once before when they were still new to this whole thing.
That's a ridiculous amount of development time in something that's pretty much already "done."
I'm sorry if I come off as snippy, I just find it so funny you seem to think that video game developers are averse to developing video games.
If the shit about Thrall handing over his leadership to Garrosh and Garrosh ordering the murder of Cairne is even remotely true, I'll probably just roll Alliance.
Because damn, son, peacemaking Thrall handing the reins of the nation that he slaved blood, sweat and tears over to that xenophobic psychopath makes no fucking sense.
One theory I heard:
Thrall names Cairne the new leader of the Horde (why not Vol'jin, considering the Trolls are the Orcs most trusted allies? FAR more than the Tauren?), and then Garrosh, being a giant fucking child, says Cairne is a traitor and assassinates him, thus taking the reigns as a "hero" of the Horde.
Yeah, I really don't see thrall handing the mantle of warchief to Garrosh. His debt to Grom is already paid over several times and Garrosh definitely wouldn't be first in line to be the leader of the Horde.
And the stuff about Cairne is just absurd. It doesn't even make sense in context let alone trying to figure out how it has anything to do with the rest of the supposed leaks.
There's way more than enough stuff for them to do outside of revamping the old world like that for me really buy it. Between Gilneas, Undermine, the Isles whos name I can't recall off the top of my head, maybe fiddling with a few zones such as Azshara, Hyjal, and adding in some other zones into the many "unclaimed" zones on the map...doing over the world like that seems counter intuitive for their sake.
If Thrall were to hand over his mantle to anyone, you'd think he would hand it to Saurfang.
Saurfang would be a pretty badass leader, IMO. An old war veteran, he knows when he has to put his foot down. And yet, while he's not as peaceably minded as Thrall, he has a great respect for what the Warchief has built, and you can feel - from their interaction in the Undercity - that he would die before letting the Horde become a bloodthirsty mob.
To be fair I'm pretty sure the whole part about how Garrosh gets leadership was conjecture, and only the parts A: Thrall becomes guardian and B: Garrosh becomes warchief were released. If so I could imagine Thrall actually gives leadership to Cairne initially, which is why Garrosh has him assassinated in the first place.
To be fair I'm pretty sure the whole part about how Garrosh gets leadership was conjecture, and only the parts A: Thrall becomes guardian and B: Garrosh becomes warchief were released. If so I could imagine Thrall actually gives leadership to Cairne initially, which is why Garrosh has him assassinated in the first place.
My biggest problem is that we essentially go back to the WC2 "Orcs iz badguys!" bullshit that seemed so prevalent in the comic. Apparently it wasn't Walt Simonson not knowing his shit, but Blizzard trying to force the old view back.
Because god forbid any fantasy setting have orcs that do more than loot, pillage, rape, and kill.
"We're not getting vehicles. It's simple a ridiculous amount of development time."
They're game developers.
"A ridiculous amount of development time" is what they do.
See all that blank space? Look at it. Take it in. It's about 20-30% of the Azeroth landmass. There are huge swaths of unfinished space all over the damn continents. It's not just the Graymane Wall or Hyjal, it's:
- Space between Stormwind, Dun Morogh, about the size of Elwynn Forest.
- Space east of Burning Steppes, south of Badlands, north of Swamp of Sorrows, about the size of Stranglethorn Vale.
- Space south of the Blasted Lands and Zul'Gurub, about the size of Durotar
- The entire east coast of the Eastern Kingdoms, stretching from the Badlands all the way to the Hinterlands, a combined size of Darkshore
- West of Deathknell, about the size of Deadwind Pass
- Space south of Un'Goro Crater, about the same size as Un'Goro.
- The coastline west and south of Silithus, about the size of, oh Stonetalon Mountains or so.
- Blank spots all around Feralas, about the size of Un'Goro
- Huge parts of Stonetalon Mountains, again about the size of Un'Goro
- Spaces north of Moonglade and all around Mount Hyjal, with a combined size of of Felwood or so.
And these spots aren't just blank rolling hills or anything - they're totally unfinished. In order to make the area flyable, that means that Blizzard is going to go back and fill in all that space. And for what? Will the put cool quests there? For whom would the quests be?
Uh, considering they're changing Azsharas level to be 10-20, and Barrens is being split into 2 leveling zones, yes they are putting in cool quests and it'll be for everyone?
If they're going to revamp the entire zones with a cataclysmic event, that means re-doing a landmass that is larger than Northrend and Outlands combined.
Yeah it's not like they've never made an entire landmass bigger than both of those!
It's simply impossible.
Not like they did it once before when they were still new to this whole thing.
That's a ridiculous amount of development time in something that's pretty much already "done."
I'm sorry if I come off as snippy, I just find it so funny you seem to think that video game developers are averse to developing video games.
If the shit about Thrall handing over his leadership to Garrosh and Garrosh ordering the murder of Cairne is even remotely true, I'll probably just roll Alliance.
Because damn, son, peacemaking Thrall handing the reins of the nation that he slaved blood, sweat and tears over to that xenophobic psychopath makes no fucking sense.
One theory I heard:
Thrall names Cairne the new leader of the Horde (why not Vol'jin, considering the Trolls are the Orcs most trusted allies? FAR more than the Tauren?), and then Garrosh, being a giant fucking child, says Cairne is a traitor and assassinates him, thus taking the reigns as a "hero" of the Horde.
These aren't the WoW General Forums. Misrepresenting a different point of view in an exaggerated fashion and then shooting it down with sardonic sarcasm might be what wins you points over there, but here it's inappropriate.
I never said that revamping the old world for flying mounts was impossible. Obviously, it is not. That's not what I was saying.
What I was saying is that seems like a very large amount of work for something that is more or less finished. We all understand that Blizzard's development resources are finite. They have to make choices about what they want to focus on. They have to ration their time just like anyone else. There is a choice here - revamp a world that is finished, playable, and resulted in the most successful MMO in the history of video games - or make something completely new. I think those observations mean that we ought to take rumors about revamping the old world with a grain of salt, for that reason.
"We're not getting vehicles. It's simple a ridiculous amount of development time."
They're game developers.
"A ridiculous amount of development time" is what they do.
See all that blank space? Look at it. Take it in. It's about 20-30% of the Azeroth landmass. There are huge swaths of unfinished space all over the damn continents. It's not just the Graymane Wall or Hyjal, it's:
- Space between Stormwind, Dun Morogh, about the size of Elwynn Forest.
- Space east of Burning Steppes, south of Badlands, north of Swamp of Sorrows, about the size of Stranglethorn Vale.
- Space south of the Blasted Lands and Zul'Gurub, about the size of Durotar
- The entire east coast of the Eastern Kingdoms, stretching from the Badlands all the way to the Hinterlands, a combined size of Darkshore
- West of Deathknell, about the size of Deadwind Pass
- Space south of Un'Goro Crater, about the same size as Un'Goro.
- The coastline west and south of Silithus, about the size of, oh Stonetalon Mountains or so.
- Blank spots all around Feralas, about the size of Un'Goro
- Huge parts of Stonetalon Mountains, again about the size of Un'Goro
- Spaces north of Moonglade and all around Mount Hyjal, with a combined size of of Felwood or so.
And these spots aren't just blank rolling hills or anything - they're totally unfinished. In order to make the area flyable, that means that Blizzard is going to go back and fill in all that space. And for what? Will the put cool quests there? For whom would the quests be?
Uh, considering they're changing Azsharas level to be 10-20, and Barrens is being split into 2 leveling zones, yes they are putting in cool quests and it'll be for everyone?
If they're going to revamp the entire zones with a cataclysmic event, that means re-doing a landmass that is larger than Northrend and Outlands combined.
Yeah it's not like they've never made an entire landmass bigger than both of those!
It's simply impossible.
Not like they did it once before when they were still new to this whole thing.
That's a ridiculous amount of development time in something that's pretty much already "done."
I'm sorry if I come off as snippy, I just find it so funny you seem to think that video game developers are averse to developing video games.
If the shit about Thrall handing over his leadership to Garrosh and Garrosh ordering the murder of Cairne is even remotely true, I'll probably just roll Alliance.
Because damn, son, peacemaking Thrall handing the reins of the nation that he slaved blood, sweat and tears over to that xenophobic psychopath makes no fucking sense.
One theory I heard:
Thrall names Cairne the new leader of the Horde (why not Vol'jin, considering the Trolls are the Orcs most trusted allies? FAR more than the Tauren?), and then Garrosh, being a giant fucking child, says Cairne is a traitor and assassinates him, thus taking the reigns as a "hero" of the Horde.
These aren't the WoW General Forums. Misrepresenting a different point of view in an exaggerated fashion and then shooting it down with sardonic sarcasm might be what wins you points over there, but here it's inappropriate.
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The way I'd like to see that is
and gnome priests have been around for ages, they're in gnomeregan. about time they let you play one
That's gnome tech crap for flithy egg layers
But if you go back to, say, The Den and do the quest from the shaman guy there, you can get another Earth Totem. OOPS!
I went from getting no drops on my warlock to getting all the cloth drops from normal ToC and then getting a Heroic ToC run together and getting a new head piece.
Made me very happy. All I need now is a new pair of boots.
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The most viable way for them to redo the old world I think would be to just phase it for levels 80-85, where everyone else who's levelling through gets to run through 1-58 as normal. Hell, they could keep their supposed plans for Azshara being a 10-20 zone as well, considering no one ever goes there anyway. :P
Of course, if none of it is true I'm really curious about what the actual expansion might be.
EDIT: Most of the leaks, that is. Just caught up to the bits regarding reconstruction efforts in vanilla areas. Sounds interesting, but also like it'd mess up a lot of old world stuff. I was more hoping for a keep-old-stuff-phase-in-new approach, but it's sure to be interesting either way.
Caverns of Time: That Old Crap
Actually, that was more or less my idea for a solution to the cataclysm. Go to the caverns of time, and hop back to the old world for something like helping friends out. Might be a bit of a stretch, but I think it's better than just closing off high level characters from the old areas.
-Can I choose where to be ported after I phase through? Or am I stuck in the middle of bumblefuck Tanaris and forced to go from there? The desert isn't the most well connected place, and god help you if your final destination is somewhere in the Eastern Kingdom.
-How easy would it be to not only tell if I'm in the new world or old world, but also to change back? Will I be forced to hearth, or go all the way back to Tanaris to switch?
If they don't address those concerns, then you can probably count on interaction between new and old players to plummet. I'm no longer running friends through SM if it suddenly becomes one giant hassle just to get there now.
I am curious about the reception blizzard will get at blizzcon next week how much glee will turn to bitterness after it they pull the curtain back
I am not sold because much of it Thrall being the new Guardian of Tirisfal and 1k needles being flooded was posted on a different forum months and years ago as Fan lolore
Boub and his taunt of running in Paris' streets nude posting the video after the masks leak I think created this
The only classes they don't have already are warlock and rogue and I really don't see either. Rogue maybe. Maaayybbeee
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I'd drop my 40-something Human Rogue for a Draenei in a heartbeat.
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That's simply a ridiculous amount of development time. I mean, look at this map of Azeroth: http://casdracast.com/home/Azeroth.jpg
See all that blank space? Look at it. Take it in. It's about 20-30% of the Azeroth landmass. There are huge swaths of unfinished space all over the damn continents. It's not just the Graymane Wall or Hyjal, it's:
- Space between Stormwind, Dun Morogh, about the size of Elwynn Forest.
- Space east of Burning Steppes, south of Badlands, north of Swamp of Sorrows, about the size of Stranglethorn Vale.
- Space south of the Blasted Lands and Zul'Gurub, about the size of Durotar
- The entire east coast of the Eastern Kingdoms, stretching from the Badlands all the way to the Hinterlands, a combined size of Darkshore
- West of Deathknell, about the size of Deadwind Pass
- Space south of Un'Goro Crater, about the same size as Un'Goro.
- The coastline west and south of Silithus, about the size of, oh Stonetalon Mountains or so.
- Blank spots all around Feralas, about the size of Un'Goro
- Huge parts of Stonetalon Mountains, again about the size of Un'Goro
- Spaces north of Moonglade and all around Mount Hyjal, with a combined size of of Felwood or so.
And these spots aren't just blank rolling hills or anything - they're totally unfinished. In order to make the area flyable, that means that Blizzard is going to go back and fill in all that space. And for what? Will the put cool quests there? For whom would the quests be?
If they're going to revamp the entire zones with a cataclysmic event, that means re-doing a landmass that is larger than Northrend and Outlands combined.
That's a ridiculous amount of development time in something that's pretty much already "done."
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oh wait you mean for sneaking yeah of course you do
and I imagine a lot of it will be filling in the areas that are missing, that they deem necessary. not every dead zone on the map. then just plopping a mountain on top of or filling in with water those wide open pits of death that would look terrible otherwise and blocking off others with MAGICK cast by a WIZARD
And Druid.
Also, with Human Hunters and Blood Elf warriors, those two races would also bump up to eight of the ten possible classes (both of them missing Shaman and Druid).
Trolls would also be at 8, only missing Paladins and Warlocks.
Yeah, that's pretty much what i thought about that rumor too. Thanks for writing it much better than i would have
It would just be so ghetto.
Because damn, son, peacemaking Thrall handing the reins of the nation that he slaved blood, sweat and tears over to that xenophobic psychopath makes no fucking sense.
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Yeah, dammit, I want to keep my moral high ground about "noble savages".
There is nothing noble about Garrosh.
"We're not getting vehicles. It's simple a ridiculous amount of development time."
They're game developers.
"A ridiculous amount of development time" is what they do.
Uh, considering they're changing Azsharas level to be 10-20, and Barrens is being split into 2 leveling zones, yes they are putting in cool quests and it'll be for everyone?
Yeah it's not like they've never made an entire landmass bigger than both of those!
It's simply impossible.
Not like they did it once before when they were still new to this whole thing.
I'm sorry if I come off as snippy, I just find it so funny you seem to think that video game developers are averse to developing video games.
One theory I heard:
Thrall names Cairne the new leader of the Horde (why not Vol'jin, considering the Trolls are the Orcs most trusted allies? FAR more than the Tauren?), and then Garrosh, being a giant fucking child, says Cairne is a traitor and assassinates him, thus taking the reigns as a "hero" of the Horde.
And the stuff about Cairne is just absurd. It doesn't even make sense in context let alone trying to figure out how it has anything to do with the rest of the supposed leaks.
There's way more than enough stuff for them to do outside of revamping the old world like that for me really buy it. Between Gilneas, Undermine, the Isles whos name I can't recall off the top of my head, maybe fiddling with a few zones such as Azshara, Hyjal, and adding in some other zones into the many "unclaimed" zones on the map...doing over the world like that seems counter intuitive for their sake.
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Saurfang would be a pretty badass leader, IMO. An old war veteran, he knows when he has to put his foot down. And yet, while he's not as peaceably minded as Thrall, he has a great respect for what the Warchief has built, and you can feel - from their interaction in the Undercity - that he would die before letting the Horde become a bloodthirsty mob.
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Because god forbid any fantasy setting have orcs that do more than loot, pillage, rape, and kill.
These aren't the WoW General Forums. Misrepresenting a different point of view in an exaggerated fashion and then shooting it down with sardonic sarcasm might be what wins you points over there, but here it's inappropriate.
I never said that revamping the old world for flying mounts was impossible. Obviously, it is not. That's not what I was saying.
What I was saying is that seems like a very large amount of work for something that is more or less finished. We all understand that Blizzard's development resources are finite. They have to make choices about what they want to focus on. They have to ration their time just like anyone else. There is a choice here - revamp a world that is finished, playable, and resulted in the most successful MMO in the history of video games - or make something completely new. I think those observations mean that we ought to take rumors about revamping the old world with a grain of salt, for that reason.
... Are you new here? That shit happens all the time.