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[Phalla] Kill Doctor Lucky in Phalla Mansion - Good Night, Doctor Lucky (Game Over)

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Kay is not a girl.

    Kay is also not hard to read. I was able to read him.

    And that means BIIIIIIGGGG letters.

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    TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Kay is not a girl.

    Kay is also not hard to read. I was able to read him.

    And that means BIIIIIIGGGG letters.

    Well, I guess I'm convinced that you're not [strike]evil[/strike] mafia.... this time.

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    HippieHippie Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    TehSloth wrote: »
    Bremen wrote: »
    Also, it's worth noting that Kay was in room 3, and Infidel was in room 2. It would make sense that the bodyguards would want to cluster in the center rooms, because that makes it easier for them to reach any particular room quickly.

    I'd suggest we regard anyone who started in room 2 or 3 with some suspicion.

    The main problem with this is similar to being suspicious of people who started out in the room 1. Attacks on Dr. Lucky which do not exceed the number of remaining bodyguards automatically fail, since there were probably about 10 or more bodyguards left last night, I don't think they'd be very worried.

    I'm just surprised that he only moved 1 space.... or maybe he actually moved 13 spaces... we'll never know.

    What if they intentionally did not move him so they could stay close to him?

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    TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Hippie wrote: »
    TehSloth wrote: »
    Bremen wrote: »
    Also, it's worth noting that Kay was in room 3, and Infidel was in room 2. It would make sense that the bodyguards would want to cluster in the center rooms, because that makes it easier for them to reach any particular room quickly.

    I'd suggest we regard anyone who started in room 2 or 3 with some suspicion.

    The main problem with this is similar to being suspicious of people who started out in the room 1. Attacks on Dr. Lucky which do not exceed the number of remaining bodyguards automatically fail, since there were probably about 10 or more bodyguards left last night, I don't think they'd be very worried.

    I'm just surprised that he only moved 1 space.... or maybe he actually moved 13 spaces... we'll never know.

    What if they intentionally did not move him so they could stay close to him?

    I'd say that until we drop more than 4 of them (my estimate), they aren't going to be very concerned with staying near him since it doesn't matter where they are until we could realistically get a higher attack then they have numbers. Once we see another one or two bodyguard drop, then I really think they're going to start flocking to him. Of course, if they were in the middle, there'd be no reason for them to play movement cards on him since everyone benefits from extra cards. I think everyone might've overestimated the number that would be played last night and got a little gun shy, that or they're extremely rare. In the meantime though, I don't know what to think. I thought the SkyCaptain wagon was a pretty safe bet for where to find solid non-mafia, but the Kay thing kinda blows that outta the water.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Alright guys, I went ahead and wrote out the day's movement list:
    Movement from Day 2 to Day 3

    Room 1 (Foyer):
    Edcrab - STAYED
    garroad_ran - STAYED
    oaklore - STAYED

    Room 2 (Lounge):
    Dr. Lucky - From ROOM 1

    boogedyboo - From ROOM 3
    Cantide - STAYED
    Darian - STAYED
    Delmain - STAYED
    eeccccoo tthhee ddoollpphhiinn - STAYED
    Egos - From ROOM 1
    kime - STAYED
    LoserForHireX - STAYED
    Plutonium - STAYED
    Ringo - STAYED
    Toxic Toys - STAYED

    Room 3 (Dining Room):
    Buzz Buzz - STAYED
    Dogbone33 - STAYED
    FunkyWaltDogg - From ROOM 4
    Houn - From ROOM 6
    Kistra - From ROOM 6
    Typhus733 - STAYED

    Room 4 (Kitchen):
    Fatal3RR0R - From ROOM 3
    iamtheaznman - STAYED
    Obbi - STAYED

    uean - From ROOM 5

    Room 5 (Garage):
    Cleonicus - STAYED
    shalmelo - From ROOM 6

    Room 6 (Study):
    Ardor - STAYED
    simonwolf - From ROOM 7
    pigeonking - STAYED IN ROOM 6

    Room 7 (Library):
    dunedainjedi - STAYED
    lonelyahava - STAYED
    Romantic Undead - STAYED
    Seriously - From ROOM 8
    TehSloth - From ROOM 8

    Room 8 (Patio):
    crimsonoyote - STAYED
    Jobastion - STAYED

    Room 9 (Billiard Room):
    adventfalls - STAYED
    Hippie - From ROOM 8
    jdarksun - STAYED
    Tiphareth - STAYED
    vagrant_winds - STAYED
    warban - STAYED

    Room 10 (Trophy Room):
    Eipnoom - STAYED
    Oats - From ROOM 9

    Room 11 (Music Room):
    B:L - STAYED
    Bremen - STAYED
    Daius - STAYED
    Ebfan - STAYED
    El Skid - From ROOM 12
    Gumpy - From ROOM 12
    Rawkking Goodguy - From ROOM 12
    ShadowThomas - STAYED
    Varcayn - STAYED

    Room 12 (Conservatory):
    Arivia - STAYED

    Things of Note - Kay was in Room 3, Infidel was in Room 2

    Boogedyboo and Egos have both moved to Room 2, everybody else there started there

    The majority of the population in Room 2 are minimal posters, including new arrival boogedyboo

    Is there possibly another Bodyguard in there with Dr. Lucky now? Or with Infidel gone and the Bodyguards down 3 members, is this the first free shot someone with a 5+ weapon would have on Dr Lucky?

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Okay, further points of interest in the movement chart:

    Almost everybody moved down a room, with a few exceptions:
    1) Egos went from 1 to 2 - Following Dr Lucky presumably
    2) Fatal3RROR moved from 3 to 4 - ???
    3) Hippie moved from 8 to 9 - ???
    4) Oats moved from 9 to 10 - ???

    I can't really see the benefits of those three movements at the moment

    [strike]Pigeonking used a movement card
    He shot from Room 6 to Room 4 which requires two move. Why Room 4? He could've moved to Room 2 and benefited from the extra Dr Lucky Draw. He could've saved the Movement Card and ended up in Room 3 if he thought a move would be played on Dr Lucky. But he used up a card to get in position in Room 4 of all places. Why?[/strike]

    Shalmelo moved from 6 to 5, which put him in a corner instead of the more open Room 3. Kind of a weird move.

    And lastly: Gumpy, Rawkking, and El Skid vacated Room 12 for 11 as a group. Is Skid involved in Gumpy's network? What about all those people in Room 11 who didn't move to catch Lucky in Room 2? Are they planning something along the upper track? I Don't know.

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    MrBlarneyMrBlarney Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Eh? Oh, my apologies. I'm not sure how it happened, but pigeonking should still be in room 6.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    You bastrsd

    Ringo on
    Sterica wrote: »
    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Someone steal your coffee tonight MrBlarney? D:
    Who is it? We'll make sure they never do it again. We have connections.

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    Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    ooooOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOooooo

    ya'll're just jealous and scared.

    ooooOOooooooOOOOOOOooooooo

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    GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    The Agency does not appreciate potential betrayel

    Infidel, do you enjoy the delicious justice

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    ueanuean Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    What's worse than getting killed in Phalla?

    Not getting into the narration.

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    Dogbone33Dogbone33 I bleed Red and Gold! State of ConfusionRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    So what we have is a lot of piling on Zandy and he comes up clean.

    That would dictate we look at the Zandy wagon closely, yes?

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    FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Columbia, SCRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    uean wrote: »
    What's worse than getting killed in Phalla?

    Not getting into the narration.

    Actually I prefer not getting into the narration to being killed.

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    FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Columbia, SCRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Dogbone33 wrote: »
    So what we have is a lot of piling on Zandy and he comes up clean.

    That would dictate we look at the Zandy wagon closely, yes?

    Yeah, looking especially at the people piling on later once rawkking got close is a task well worth doing.

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    DarianDarian Yellow Wizard The PitRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Things we seem to have in play:
    Vote kill (duh)
    Day 1: SkyCaptain - Michael Carty (Bodyguard) was asked to leave.
    Day 2: Zandracon - Joseph Hutchens (Conspirator) was voted out the mansion.

    [strike]Vig/serial killer that causes players to withdraw on their own[/strike]
    People that just didn't want to play anymore (clarification by MrB next page)
    Day 1: Athenor - Alejandra Garr (Conspirator) withdrew from the party.
    Day 2: samurai6966 - Zoila Barish (Conspirator) made a tactical withdrawl.

    Two bodyguard attacks that throw people out
    Day 1: Burnage - Preston Mcquire (Conspirator) was escorted off the premises.
    Lady Eri - Loren Panganiban (Conspirator) was led out the front door.
    Day 2: Nocturne - Vivian Peres (Conspirator) was forced to go home early.
    Dunadan019 - Dominic Oatley (Conspirator) unwillingly found the exit doors.

    Weapon attacks
    Day 1: (no cards playable)
    Day 2: Infidel - Clinton Frady (Bodyguard) got smashed by an ottoman.
    Zellpher - Roslyn Redrick (Conspirator) died in anguish when she could not comprehend the meaning of modern art.

    Another vig? Or is this a weapon (eviction notice?):
    Day 2: Kay - Marcia Kunz (Bodyguard) was specially noted for eviction.

    And I would like to state the obvious: the results are given in alphabetical order by name, not kill order.

    edit: Changed the withdraw section; not a vig or serial killer, at least that doesn't give evidence for one

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    Romantic UndeadRomantic Undead Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Well, while there was a lot of activity going on elsewhere, things were pretty quiet in the library yesterday. Nothing much to report, I'm afraid.

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    EbfanEbfan Wimmy Wam Wam Wozzle! Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Darian wrote: »
    Things we seem to have in play:
    Vote kill (duh)
    Day 1: SkyCaptain - Michael Carty (Bodyguard) was asked to leave.
    Day 2: Zandracon - Joseph Hutchens (Conspirator) was voted out the mansion.

    Vig/serial killer that causes players to withdraw on their own
    Day 1: Athenor - Alejandra Garr (Conspirator) withdrew from the party.
    Day 2: samurai6966 - Zoila Barish (Conspirator) made a tactical withdrawl.

    Two bodyguard attacks that throw people out
    Day 1: Burnage - Preston Mcquire (Conspirator) was escorted off the premises.
    Lady Eri - Loren Panganiban (Conspirator) was led out the front door.
    Day 2: Nocturne - Vivian Peres (Conspirator) was forced to go home early.
    Dunadan019 - Dominic Oatley (Conspirator) unwillingly found the exit doors.

    Weapon attacks
    Day 1: (no cards playable)
    Day 2: Infidel - Clinton Frady (Bodyguard) got smashed by an ottoman.
    Zellpher - Roslyn Redrick (Conspirator) died in anguish when she could not comprehend the meaning of modern art.

    Another vig? Or is this a weapon (eviction notice?):
    Day 2: Kay - Marcia Kunz (Bodyguard) was specially noted for eviction.

    And I would like to state the obvious: the results are given in alphabetical order by name, not kill order.

    This is some good analysis here Darian. I think the grouping you have here sounds about spot on. I am particularly curious about the withdrawal and the eviction deaths. The fact that the withdrawal death took place on both Day 1 and Day 2, I would say it's safe to say that it is somebody's ability and not a card. The opposite can be said about the eviction, which may be a card. Hopefully things will clear up on this front after tonight's narration.

    This brings up an interesting question: Are there village specials in this game or do the cards take the place of the village specials? I am inclined to think that the latter is true, which would mean the withdrawal would be some kind of Serial Killer. However, I have no evidence to support this either way.

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    FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Columbia, SCRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    For your consideration:

    Kill Dr. Lucky, Day 2

    The very first thing that jumps out at me is that Kay voted for Rawkking Goodguy when the vote was quite close.

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    crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    For your consideration:

    Kill Dr. Lucky, Day 2

    The very first thing that jumps out at me is that Kay voted for Rawkking Goodguy when the vote was quite close.

    Indeed that is correct. But I don't think that exonerates Rawkking Goodguy either, as it was still rather early in the day (4:10ish PDT), and there were quite a few votes for Zandracon at the very end of the day.

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    EbfanEbfan Wimmy Wam Wam Wozzle! Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    For your consideration:

    Kill Dr. Lucky, Day 2

    The very first thing that jumps out at me is that Kay voted for Rawkking Goodguy when the vote was quite close.

    The same thing jumped out at me too when I was going over ecc's spreadsheets from yesterday. Unless the Bodyguards were trying to make a crazy play here, I'm going to have to guess that Rawkking is a good guy from this, as there would have been no reason for Kay to try to push a close vote onto a fellow bodyguard. Then again Kay is very... sneaky. I guess I wouldn't actually say that Rawkking is fully cleared, but I think it would be best to turn our attention elsewhere.

    I think a good exercise might be to take a look at the people who voted for Zandy from the point where it was a very close vote until the end of the day when the votes really started getting piled on. I really didn't like the Zandracon vote to begin with, but I certainly think the way the vote went from a close one to a runaway in the matter of 20 to 30 posts was super sketchy.

    My vote for now is for Fatal3RR0R as he was right in the middle of this piling on with no reasoning:
    Fatal3RR0R wrote: »
    Still a bit busy with things so I'll leave Zandracon as a placeholder.

    Seems like what a bodyguard would say to me.

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    FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Columbia, SCRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    For your consideration:

    Kill Dr. Lucky, Day 2

    The very first thing that jumps out at me is that Kay voted for Rawkking Goodguy when the vote was quite close.

    Indeed that is correct. But I don't think that exonerates Rawkking Goodguy either, as it was still rather early in the day (4:10ish PDT), and there were quite a few votes for Zandracon at the very end of the day.

    That's an interesting possibility. So we've got two scenarios here:

    1) Rawkking Goodguy is a conspirator, the bodyguards didn't have a preference in yesterday's vote, and we can expect them to be found in both bandwagons.

    2) Rawkking Goodguy is a bodyguard, Kay jumped on the bandwagon to build a sound vote history in the case that RG dies, but in the meantime other bodyguards most likely jumped on the Zandwagon later.

    I think the second case is much less likely, but there you have it.

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    DarianDarian Yellow Wizard The PitRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    If Rawkking is a good guy, as is implied by Kay's vote on him, why would the bodyguards have had any reason to pile onto Zandracon? I think that's a bit of a red herring.

    edit: What FWD said, basically.

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    dunedainjedidunedainjedi Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    For your consideration:

    Kill Dr. Lucky, Day 2

    The very first thing that jumps out at me is that Kay voted for Rawkking Goodguy when the vote was quite close.

    Indeed that is correct. But I don't think that exonerates Rawkking Goodguy either, as it was still rather early in the day (4:10ish PDT), and there were quite a few votes for Zandracon at the very end of the day.

    It doesn't exonerate him but I think another Rawkking goodguy wagon is probably a waste of time.

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    FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Columbia, SCRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    For your consideration:

    Kill Dr. Lucky, Day 2

    The very first thing that jumps out at me is that Kay voted for Rawkking Goodguy when the vote was quite close.

    Indeed that is correct. But I don't think that exonerates Rawkking Goodguy either, as it was still rather early in the day (4:10ish PDT), and there were quite a few votes for Zandracon at the very end of the day.

    It doesn't exonerate him but I think another Rawkking goodguy wagon is probably a waste of time.

    I agree. If anyone has additional reasons to suspect him, they can always try to shank him.

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    HounHoun Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    !Ardor's awfully quiet. No big posts with shoddy reasoning today?
    <3
    Even if you're mafia.

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    FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Columbia, SCRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Not that it in any way exonerates him, but I chatted with Ardor a while ago and he told me he'd be studying for a test today.

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    KistraKistra Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    How much can be learned from the voting records if both bandwagons were (most likely) on conspirators? Should we focus more on actual post content and movement?

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    HounHoun Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Not that it in any way exonerates him, but I chatted with Ardor a while ago and he told me he'd be studying for a test today.

    I'm just being a dick. :D

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    FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Columbia, SCRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Kistra wrote: »
    How much can be learned from the voting records if both bandwagons were (most likely) on conspirators? Should we focus more on actual post content and movement?

    Pretty much.

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    dunedainjedidunedainjedi Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Not that it in any way exonerates him, but I chatted with Ardor a while ago and he told me he'd be studying for a test today.

    So was Infidel. Hmmmm, must be vet bodyguard code. :P

    The fatal3RR0R vote is interesting. It came at the end of a block of throwaway votes. Note I removed Zandracon self defense vote from this block.

    Daius - Zandracon 1019
    El Skid - Zandracon 1021
    iamtheaznman - Zandracon 1025
    ShadowThomas - Zandracon 1026
    Fatal3RR0R - Zandracon 1032
    Buzz Buzz Zandracon 1043

    Fatal(and to a lesser extent BuzzBuzz) could have been trying to toss a vote in under the radar.

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    Dogbone33Dogbone33 I bleed Red and Gold! State of ConfusionRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Well work is going to keep me hopping most of the day so I'm going to vote for !Ardor

    I'm still getting the magician vibe from yesterday and I can't shake it.

    I will be keeping up with this when I can so hopefully he has a chance to come in with some reasoning.

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    crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    For your consideration:

    Kill Dr. Lucky, Day 2

    The very first thing that jumps out at me is that Kay voted for Rawkking Goodguy when the vote was quite close.

    Indeed that is correct. But I don't think that exonerates Rawkking Goodguy either, as it was still rather early in the day (4:10ish PDT), and there were quite a few votes for Zandracon at the very end of the day.

    It doesn't exonerate him but I think another Rawkking goodguy wagon is probably a waste of time.

    I agree. If anyone has additional reasons to suspect him, they can always try to shank him.

    I agree as well, I was just saying that we should not implicitly trust him based on the vote of a single bodyguard.

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    adventfallsadventfalls Why would you wish to know? Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Agreement to the agreements. Suggestions, anyone?

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    DarianDarian Yellow Wizard The PitRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Move for a lunch break. All in favor?

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    garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Darian wrote: »
    Vig/serial killer that causes players to withdraw on their own
    Day 1: Athenor - Alejandra Garr (Conspirator) withdrew from the party.
    Day 2: samurai6966 - Zoila Barish (Conspirator) made a tactical withdrawl.

    Hmm, I was under the impression that those were for failing to meet activity requirements, but looking at it again, Samurai seems to have posted enough to meet those last night.

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    DarianDarian Yellow Wizard The PitRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Darian wrote: »
    Vig/serial killer that causes players to withdraw on their own
    Day 1: Athenor - Alejandra Garr (Conspirator) withdrew from the party.
    Day 2: samurai6966 - Zoila Barish (Conspirator) made a tactical withdrawl.

    Hmm, I was under the impression that those were for failing to meet activity requirements, but looking at it again, Samurai seems to have posted enough to meet those last night.

    Were these withdrawals automatic for inactivity, made at the player's request, or forced by the action of another player?


    Can't hurt to ask.

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    garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Unless Dunadan is hosting, then it's likely to end up getting you insulted.

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    Dogbone33Dogbone33 I bleed Red and Gold! State of ConfusionRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I think Samurai's was from request. He was saying in the thread for the slasher mini that he thought he'd have to. He is going to be gone all weekend apparently.

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    Toxic ToysToxic Toys Are you really taking my advice? Really?Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    For your consideration:

    Kill Dr. Lucky, Day 2

    The very first thing that jumps out at me is that Kay voted for Rawkking Goodguy when the vote was quite close.

    Indeed that is correct. But I don't think that exonerates Rawkking Goodguy either, as it was still rather early in the day (4:10ish PDT), and there were quite a few votes for Zandracon at the very end of the day.

    It doesn't exonerate him but I think another Rawkking goodguy wagon is probably a waste of time.

    I agree. If anyone has additional reasons to suspect him, they can always try to shank him.

    I agree as well, I was just saying that we should not implicitly trust him based on the vote of a single bodyguard.

    Didn't Kay vote for SkyCaptian also? I wouldn't use his voting record to clear Rawkking at all.

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