"Shock" can't kill you, it's simply a set of symptoms that when combined indicate that "shit's real bad and this person needs your attention right fucking now".
Shock always has an underlying cause which is what's actually killing you.
"Shock" can't kill you, it's simply a set of symptoms that when combined indicate that "shit's real bad and this person needs your attention right fucking now".
Shock always has an underlying cause which is what's actually killing you.
So we get stiff once in a while. So we have a little fun. What’s wrong with that? This is a free country, isn’t it? I can take my panda any place I want to. And if I wanna buy it a drink, that’s my business.
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SarksusATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
Death is the number one cause of itself in the world.
Then I rescind my statements because I clearly don't really know anything about shock.
But the second part about your neurochemical state being very different is totally true, I'm not sure exactly how that would factor into things, though.
It's.. not really true. Mostly in that the concept of a "neurochemical state" doesn't really exist. Chemically things do change in your brain during stress and whatnot but it's a far too complex thing to be simplified as a "state".
I wasn't implying that you have preset states at all, I was saying that the neurochemical environment (state) of your brain is different. The concentration and types of neuropeptides that you release are significantly different depending on specific types of activity. You don't need to tell me that neuropeptide interactions are incredibly complicated.
Well no, but.. like the "state" of your brain is constantly fluctuating anyway, a huge change would be apparent when you're asleep as opposed to awake but I really don't think that this impacts your survival if you sustain any trauma.
Be interesting if someone did an incredibly unethical study into this though...
You don't think that entering the fight or flight response would impact how you react to trauma? Also, awakeness has a huge impact on how people react to trauma, the way an unconscious body will react is very different from a conscious body. And your brain's chemical environment doesn't fluctuate at random, there's a system behind the whole thing, even if it can't be divided into a number of discrete states.
So we get stiff once in a while. So we have a little fun. What’s wrong with that? This is a free country, isn’t it? I can take my panda any place I want to. And if I wanna buy it a drink, that’s my business.
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ShivahnUnaware of her barrel shifter privilegeWestern coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderatormod
Not hundreds, but yes. These are big enough that they take real time and I can't make them from scraps, so I'm charging for time/materials/shipping.
I will want one when you have time but I know you're inundated right now.
I would also hate to think that they get so popular that you stop having fun making them.
Right now I'm doing it in a first-come-first served type of thing. Looks like right now there's about a week or so delay in getting started on new orders, so not overly inundated. When it becomes a two week delay I'll put a stop to any orders until future notice. More surprised now than anything else.
You can die from shock. Part of shock involves your heart rate becoming erratic, your core temperature going down, lovely things like that. The blood flow to your extremities is limited. 'Shock' in this case is a medical condition, I don't know what the medical term for this kind of shock is. Mental shock, AFAIK, can't kill you because it doesn't have the same physiological effects.
All medical shock involves a lack of oxygen profusion. The mechanism differs. In hypovolemic shock the decreased blood volume causes blood vessels in the extremities to constrict (your body's attempt to preserve the vital core and brain) and that alone won't kill you, but generally bleeding all over the place isn't something that stops magically on it's own.
Anaphylactic shock causes vasodilation which drops the blood pressure, but again generally not enough to kill you (but anaphylaxis is often accompanied by the inability to breathe, which renders the blood pressure drop academic).
Neurogenic shock causes smooth muscle tissue to flop and twitch instead of doing it's job, which has varied effects on blood pressure. It's usually the result of spinal cord injuries, so that whole "whoops I can't breath" thing is sometimes an issue as well.
There's a few other types of shock as well which are mainly associated with severe infections (two types) and diabetes (one type).
Then I rescind my statements because I clearly don't really know anything about shock.
But the second part about your neurochemical state being very different is totally true, I'm not sure exactly how that would factor into things, though.
It's.. not really true. Mostly in that the concept of a "neurochemical state" doesn't really exist. Chemically things do change in your brain during stress and whatnot but it's a far too complex thing to be simplified as a "state".
I wasn't implying that you have preset states at all, I was saying that the neurochemical environment (state) of your brain is different. The concentration and types of neuropeptides that you release are significantly different depending on specific types of activity. You don't need to tell me that neuropeptide interactions are incredibly complicated.
Well no, but.. like the "state" of your brain is constantly fluctuating anyway, a huge change would be apparent when you're asleep as opposed to awake but I really don't think that this impacts your survival if you sustain any trauma.
Be interesting if someone did an incredibly unethical study into this though...
You don't think that entering the fight or flight response would impact how you react to trauma? Also, awakeness has a huge impact on how people react to trauma, the way an unconscious body will react is very different from a conscious body. And your brain's chemical environment doesn't fluctuate at random, there's a system behind the whole thing, even if it can't be divided into a number of discrete states.
Nothing magical about the acute stress response. I can't think of a reason why it would have a statistically significant different outcome if the person was acutely stressed prior to the trauma rather than only becoming stressed following it (pain triggers it, so like there's no end result difference).
You end up with the same picture anyhow.
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this back pork is taking fucking forever to render
jesus backpork
get with the program
can't fry my chicken in pork fat without pork fat
Did you cut the bacon into smaller pieces or are you using a different cut?
i was using what the local supermarket called "salt pork" because they didn't have unsliced bacon. it's probably back pork, which is essentially what i want, but it's possible that the salt and skin are messing with the way i feel like it should have rendered.
in the end i did several iterations of frying it down until well-browned and then adding water and stewing it for a little while and cooking that down again. it evetually rendered off pretty well but kind of a pain in the ass and added at least an hour to my cook time.
i probably should have just bought bacon
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PasserbyeI am much older than you.in Beach CityRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
Aha, mental shock is called an Acute Stress Reaction. Apparently it can make it so that you don't realize you've been stabbed in the heart.
After being attacked and stabbed, Austrian empress Elisabeth of Bavaria boarded a ship, unaware of the severity of her condition as consequence of an acute stress reaction. Bleeding to death from a puncture wound to the heart, Elisabeth's last words were, "What happened to me?"
this back pork is taking fucking forever to render
jesus backpork
get with the program
can't fry my chicken in pork fat without pork fat
Did you cut the bacon into smaller pieces or are you using a different cut?
i was using what the local supermarket called "salt pork" because they didn't have unsliced bacon. it's probably back pork, which is essentially what i want, but it's possible that the salt and skin are messing with the way i feel like it should have rendered.
in the end i did several iterations of frying it down until well-browned and then adding water and stewing it for a little while and cooking that down again. it evetually rendered off pretty well but kind of a pain in the ass and added at least an hour to my cook time.
i probably should have just bought bacon
Yeah, the French don't smoke it like we do, but I can live with it because it only takes a few minutes to render down, and you can snack on the bacon as you cook it. But it really sounds like your pieces were simply too big to render properly. You want very small bits, not bigger then an inch cube really.
So we get stiff once in a while. So we have a little fun. What’s wrong with that? This is a free country, isn’t it? I can take my panda any place I want to. And if I wanna buy it a drink, that’s my business.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Then I rescind my statements because I clearly don't really know anything about shock.
But the second part about your neurochemical state being very different is totally true, I'm not sure exactly how that would factor into things, though.
It's.. not really true. Mostly in that the concept of a "neurochemical state" doesn't really exist. Chemically things do change in your brain during stress and whatnot but it's a far too complex thing to be simplified as a "state".
I wasn't implying that you have preset states at all, I was saying that the neurochemical environment (state) of your brain is different. The concentration and types of neuropeptides that you release are significantly different depending on specific types of activity. You don't need to tell me that neuropeptide interactions are incredibly complicated.
Well no, but.. like the "state" of your brain is constantly fluctuating anyway, a huge change would be apparent when you're asleep as opposed to awake but I really don't think that this impacts your survival if you sustain any trauma.
Be interesting if someone did an incredibly unethical study into this though...
You don't think that entering the fight or flight response would impact how you react to trauma? Also, awakeness has a huge impact on how people react to trauma, the way an unconscious body will react is very different from a conscious body. And your brain's chemical environment doesn't fluctuate at random, there's a system behind the whole thing, even if it can't be divided into a number of discrete states.
Nothing magical about the acute stress response. I can't think of a reason why it would have a statistically significant different outcome if the person was acutely stressed prior to the trauma rather than only becoming stressed following it (pain triggers it, so like there's no end result difference).
You end up with the same picture anyhow.
Endorphins, for one, will reduce your pain response. Dilation or constriction of blood vessels could significantly alter the rate of oxygen to a organ, or blood loss. I can think of plenty of other effects that your nervous system would have on your body to alter your ability to take trauma.
Endorphins, for one, will reduce your pain response. Dilation or constriction of blood vessels could significantly alter the rate of oxygen to a organ, or blood loss. I can think of plenty of other effects that your nervous system would have on your body to alter your ability to take trauma.
There is no such thing as a pain response. Endorphins modify how much you feel pain, this is however unrelated to the question at hand.
The rest of that is true I guess, but could you tell me how you think being stressed before trauma occurs would make your body react differently to the trauma than if you'd just been sitting having a nice relaxing coffee?
The only difference would be a psychological one possibly, physiologically your body would react in a fairly identical manner.
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edited November 2010
Nexus, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate the South without you going around coming up with dumb ones.
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Check the PM I sent you.
Face Twit Rav Gram
I will want one when you have time but I know you're inundated right now.
I would also hate to think that they get so popular that you stop having fun making them.
Shock always has an underlying cause which is what's actually killing you.
That's not the set-up I was looking for.
Shock always has an underlying cause which is what's actually killing you.
I am now currently waiting impatiently for said PM to arrive.
You don't think that entering the fight or flight response would impact how you react to trauma? Also, awakeness has a huge impact on how people react to trauma, the way an unconscious body will react is very different from a conscious body. And your brain's chemical environment doesn't fluctuate at random, there's a system behind the whole thing, even if it can't be divided into a number of discrete states.
At least nobody has died of old age in 60 years!
And Humans suffer from a 100% mortality rate.
Despite our best efforts, we have not stopped it.
Right now I'm doing it in a first-come-first served type of thing. Looks like right now there's about a week or so delay in getting started on new orders, so not overly inundated. When it becomes a two week delay I'll put a stop to any orders until future notice. More surprised now than anything else.
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All medical shock involves a lack of oxygen profusion. The mechanism differs. In hypovolemic shock the decreased blood volume causes blood vessels in the extremities to constrict (your body's attempt to preserve the vital core and brain) and that alone won't kill you, but generally bleeding all over the place isn't something that stops magically on it's own.
Anaphylactic shock causes vasodilation which drops the blood pressure, but again generally not enough to kill you (but anaphylaxis is often accompanied by the inability to breathe, which renders the blood pressure drop academic).
Neurogenic shock causes smooth muscle tissue to flop and twitch instead of doing it's job, which has varied effects on blood pressure. It's usually the result of spinal cord injuries, so that whole "whoops I can't breath" thing is sometimes an issue as well.
There's a few other types of shock as well which are mainly associated with severe infections (two types) and diabetes (one type).
At least I got complimented on what I have lost last night.
Nothing magical about the acute stress response. I can't think of a reason why it would have a statistically significant different outcome if the person was acutely stressed prior to the trauma rather than only becoming stressed following it (pain triggers it, so like there's no end result difference).
You end up with the same picture anyhow.
i was using what the local supermarket called "salt pork" because they didn't have unsliced bacon. it's probably back pork, which is essentially what i want, but it's possible that the salt and skin are messing with the way i feel like it should have rendered.
in the end i did several iterations of frying it down until well-browned and then adding water and stewing it for a little while and cooking that down again. it evetually rendered off pretty well but kind of a pain in the ass and added at least an hour to my cook time.
i probably should have just bought bacon
Kinda nifty, in a morbid way.
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Yeah, the French don't smoke it like we do, but I can live with it because it only takes a few minutes to render down, and you can snack on the bacon as you cook it. But it really sounds like your pieces were simply too big to render properly. You want very small bits, not bigger then an inch cube really.
kind of a bummer really...
^ This.
I actually use a spaghetti sauce jar.
That's a hot fetish.
Endorphins, for one, will reduce your pain response. Dilation or constriction of blood vessels could significantly alter the rate of oxygen to a organ, or blood loss. I can think of plenty of other effects that your nervous system would have on your body to alter your ability to take trauma.
It seems gross to people who don't understand but you and me, we get it.
My dad keeps bacon grease in a mason jar in the fridge. He uses it to cook pancakes.
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A friend came over and saw it in the fridge and asked what it was. I told them it was bacon grease and they were like holy shit that's disgusting.
Face Twit Rav Gram
I don't understand why I laughed at that.
It's not disgusting God. My friends who came to my apartment made fun of me for it.
But i learned it from my mom. And now we live in the south, and it's just a thing everyone does here.
#459 on my list of reasons to nuke the south
Because it's hilarious.
So...many...jokes.
There is no such thing as a pain response. Endorphins modify how much you feel pain, this is however unrelated to the question at hand.
The rest of that is true I guess, but could you tell me how you think being stressed before trauma occurs would make your body react differently to the trauma than if you'd just been sitting having a nice relaxing coffee?
The only difference would be a psychological one possibly, physiologically your body would react in a fairly identical manner.
You might as well make soup from dirty dishwater.