feynman, quit being amazing, i'm tryin ta get shit done
I totally get and respect where he's coming from, and largely agree with him. However I think it's important to keep in mind he himself is saying it doesn't make sense to him. He doesn't care for such things. They're not something he values. That doesn't mean they're completely useless. As is usually the case, there are two sides to the coin. Yes, such honors can exclude people that have also done excellent work but just weren't deemed worthy by some panel of old dudes. On the other hand, such honors can inspire people and even if Feynman didn't care about his Nobel, getting it got his name out there and made people more aware of his work and lectures which is absolutely a good thing!
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Yeah, I wasn't arguing against you because you didn't say they're bad. I was just giving my perspective because I could see some people watching that and coming away all, "yeah, fuck awards they're such bullshit!"
well, and he's not saying that honors are a bad thing, just that he doesn't like or trust them.
I think it's more that he doesn't like the academic back-patting that comes with them. If someone wants to give him the honour that's fine, it's that people think that the honour is the reward, not the science and the truth, that's what irritates him.
Still, great videos Orik. Thanks for posting them.
I was simply saying that sometimes people can be overly theoretical about politics.
Sometimes you need to think about what you can actually do
This is true of more than politics - essentially everything that has theoretical studies
For example: shipbuilding
I can go and read a hundred papers about pre-outfitting and designing blocks/units for production that people in the shipbuilding research community have spent years developing the theory and then figure out how to implement them
However! If someone didn't have those ideas, or spend the effort researching and debating and developing the theory behind them, then I as a shipbuilder would never be able to use them.
Sure some of the theory they've developed is useless here in the US, but it may be useful elsewhere in the world - also the converse. But you have to learn about the theory to be able to choose which system works best and then develop your own plan about how to integrate it into your shipbuilding process (or your economy)
I was simply saying that sometimes people can be overly theoretical about politics.
Sometimes you need to think about what you can actually do
This is true of more than politics - essentially everything that has theoretical studies
For example: shipbuilding
I can go and read a hundred papers about pre-outfitting and designing blocks/units for production that people in the shipbuilding research community have spent years developing the theory and then figure out how to implement them
However! If someone didn't have those ideas, or spend the effort researching and debating and developing the theory behind them, then I as a shipbuilder would never be able to use them.
Sure some of the theory they've developed is useless here in the US, but it may be useful elsewhere in the world - also the converse. But you have to learn about the theory to be able to choose which system works best and then develop your own plan about how to integrate it into your shipbuilding process (or your economy)
Sure, sure. Got to have the theory to develop the practice, and I'm not saying theory should be demolished in any area. God no. But at some point, you have to put the practise into effect, and people who could do some good arguing about theory all the time is like two ship-builder who never build anything because they argue about, I don't know, keels all the time or whatever.
I was simply saying that sometimes people can be overly theoretical about politics.
Sometimes you need to think about what you can actually do
This is true of more than politics - essentially everything that has theoretical studies
For example: shipbuilding
I can go and read a hundred papers about pre-outfitting and designing blocks/units for production that people in the shipbuilding research community have spent years developing the theory and then figure out how to implement them
However! If someone didn't have those ideas, or spend the effort researching and debating and developing the theory behind them, then I as a shipbuilder would never be able to use them.
Sure some of the theory they've developed is useless here in the US, but it may be useful elsewhere in the world - also the converse. But you have to learn about the theory to be able to choose which system works best and then develop your own plan about how to integrate it into your shipbuilding process (or your economy)
Sure, sure. Got to have the theory to develop the practice, and I'm not saying theory should be demolished in any area. God no. But at some point, you have to put the practise into effect, and people who could do some good arguing about theory all the time is like two ship-builder who never build anything because they argue about, I don't know, keels all the time or whatever.
Sometimes, you gotta build a damn boat
Ah yes you do indeed
But without the theories we're discussing being put into practice, we'd still be building ships the old fashioned way with hull first, then framing, then superstructure and outfitting which is much more materials and labor intensive than building blocks on the ground and assembling the blocks in the drydock
All the arguing about theory is good because that's one way new theories are developed
But you're right, it takes a great deal of effort to make those theories useful, sometimes significant changes are needed and oh look you've developed a new theory too!
Research and application, both inherently valuable.
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This is one of the most self-aware politics threads I've read in SE++
Which is pretty cool.
(And yeah to the earlier people saying they're dumb and also bad at knowledge that's me. I want to change it, but at the moment I'm too lazy and discouraged.)
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This is one of the most self-aware politics threads I've read in SE++
Which is pretty cool.
(And yeah to the earlier people saying they're dumb and also bad at knowledge that's me. I want to change it, but at the moment I'm too lazy and discouraged.)
You think Key wants a dummy?
You get your shit in gear, Vis, and you get yourself a korean boy.
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We gawda pratact dem transgendah and queeah ladyboohs...erah...regahdless of collah cuz we all fans a da same RED SAWX!
This is one of the most self-aware politics threads I've read in SE++
Which is pretty cool.
(And yeah to the earlier people saying they're dumb and also bad at knowledge that's me. I want to change it, but at the moment I'm too lazy and discouraged.)
You think Key wants a dummy?
You get your shit in gear, Vis, and you get yourself a korean boy.
I totally have two of Neil Tyson's books and Origin of Species on my bookshelf. Baby steps...
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I want to do with you
What spring does with the cherry trees.
So Lindsay Graham is saying that the National Intelligence Director should be fired for giving his honest assessment of the situation in Libya, after he was called to give his assessment of said situation.
Apparently all it takes to get Lindsay Graham totally butthurt is to not tell him exactly what he wants to hear.
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I totally get and respect where he's coming from, and largely agree with him. However I think it's important to keep in mind he himself is saying it doesn't make sense to him. He doesn't care for such things. They're not something he values. That doesn't mean they're completely useless. As is usually the case, there are two sides to the coin. Yes, such honors can exclude people that have also done excellent work but just weren't deemed worthy by some panel of old dudes. On the other hand, such honors can inspire people and even if Feynman didn't care about his Nobel, getting it got his name out there and made people more aware of his work and lectures which is absolutely a good thing!
I think it's more that he doesn't like the academic back-patting that comes with them. If someone wants to give him the honour that's fine, it's that people think that the honour is the reward, not the science and the truth, that's what irritates him.
Still, great videos Orik. Thanks for posting them.
Well! No plaques with "World's Most Awesome Guy" engraved on them for him then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3JCD388D10&feature=player_embedded#at=413
I am somewhat proud of that post. So please forgive me while I run the shtick into the ground.
This is true of more than politics - essentially everything that has theoretical studies
For example: shipbuilding
I can go and read a hundred papers about pre-outfitting and designing blocks/units for production that people in the shipbuilding research community have spent years developing the theory and then figure out how to implement them
However! If someone didn't have those ideas, or spend the effort researching and debating and developing the theory behind them, then I as a shipbuilder would never be able to use them.
Sure some of the theory they've developed is useless here in the US, but it may be useful elsewhere in the world - also the converse. But you have to learn about the theory to be able to choose which system works best and then develop your own plan about how to integrate it into your shipbuilding process (or your economy)
Sure, sure. Got to have the theory to develop the practice, and I'm not saying theory should be demolished in any area. God no. But at some point, you have to put the practise into effect, and people who could do some good arguing about theory all the time is like two ship-builder who never build anything because they argue about, I don't know, keels all the time or whatever.
Sometimes, you gotta build a damn boat
Then find the little man in it.
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Hitler started in beer halls, maaaaaaan.
Ah yes you do indeed
But without the theories we're discussing being put into practice, we'd still be building ships the old fashioned way with hull first, then framing, then superstructure and outfitting which is much more materials and labor intensive than building blocks on the ground and assembling the blocks in the drydock
All the arguing about theory is good because that's one way new theories are developed
But you're right, it takes a great deal of effort to make those theories useful, sometimes significant changes are needed and oh look you've developed a new theory too!
Research and application, both inherently valuable.
http://www.ehow.com/how_2326169_politicsgetting-foot-door.html
https://medium.com/@alascii
Which is pretty cool.
(And yeah to the earlier people saying they're dumb and also bad at knowledge that's me. I want to change it, but at the moment I'm too lazy and discouraged.)
What spring does with the cherry trees.
You think Key wants a dummy?
You get your shit in gear, Vis, and you get yourself a korean boy.
I was wondering if it was too soon to bring back the Boston accents. Thanks, Butters.
I totally have two of Neil Tyson's books and Origin of Species on my bookshelf. Baby steps...
What spring does with the cherry trees.
Apparently all it takes to get Lindsay Graham totally butthurt is to not tell him exactly what he wants to hear.
Unbelievable.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/10/us.libya/index.html?hpt=T2
nawt fayuh