this level of coincidences is pretty fucking ridiculous.
If the CC info was safe, sony would have said that very clearly and very categorically. The wishy washy bullshit they're releasing tells us that CC info is DEFINITELY ou.
It's like argueing that the 3RL thing was not a project or manufacturing defect, but just completely random and coincidental breakdowns (probably caused by stupid users).
If the CC info was safe, sony would have said that very clearly and very categorically. The wishy washy bullshit they're releasing tells us that CC info is DEFINITELY ou.
They actually did they that it was "safe" as much as legalese allows.
Q: Was my credit card data taken?
A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility.
I don't know how else you can interpret that. We'll see what they have to say in the press conference tomorrow.
MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
edited April 2011
The real questions is, did Barrack Obama's CC get stolen?
Because if it did, than he must be a US citizen since they wouldn't issue a card to a non-citizen. HOWEVER, if his info was not stolen, clearly he's a Muslim-African-Terrorist.*
I think everyone/everything in this thread is a broken record. There's really not much we can do in here aside from complain and speculate. Sony just needs to give us a little more juice to complain about, and we'd be set for another 30 pages.
If the CC info was safe, sony would have said that very clearly and very categorically. The wishy washy bullshit they're releasing tells us that CC info is DEFINITELY ou.
They actually did they that it was "safe" as much as legalese allows.
Q: Was my credit card data taken?
A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility.
I don't know how else you can interpret that. We'll see what they have to say in the press conference tomorrow.
You don't know much, then. That's some very obvious and clear "They have your CC shit, but we can't admit it because then we'd lose every single time at the courts forever".
"we cannot rule out that possibility" means "shit most definitely happened yo".
All people who came here to mention they're being scammed confirmed that they're being scammed on the exact same CC that Sony had.
Not to mention that the security of the CC info is compromised, regardless of it actually being leaked or not. That's how IT security works, if you cannot be sure something is safe, than you immediately assume it is compromised and you take all possible measures to contain it. That's how responsible, efficient companies and individuals act. The mere fact that PSN was invaded is good enough reason to change all the related passwords, logins and card numbers.
Why are you putting up this insurmountable wall of denial and making excuses for a particularly shitty corporation? Stop pretending that nothing serious happened. Sony fucked up big time, like few other consumer goods company ever screwed up before, and they're doing everything wrong. Your empty rhetoric, spitefulness and wishful thinking are not gonna change facts.
I'm pretty sure my old, inactive credit card was on PSN as my last purchase was in 2009, and I don't think I updated with the new card number and exp. date.
Still, I'd like to be sure but can't tell until they get the damn service back online!
You don't know much, then. That's some very obvious and clear "They have your CC shit, but we can't admit it because then we'd lose every single time at the courts forever".
"we cannot rule out that possibility" means "shit most definitely happened yo".
They'd actually have a far more serious legal issue on their hands if they knew that credit card information had been compromised and didn't fully disclose that. This is very odd of you to say.
The mere fact that PSN was invaded is good enough reason to change all the related passwords, logins and card numbers.
Absolutely.
Why are you putting up this insurmountable wall of denial and making excuses for a particularly shitty corporation? Stop pretending that nothing serious happened.
Could you point to instances of me doing this? I've been attempting to stem the typical tide of misinformation that naturally gushes from an issue like this. I did make a mistake (as did Sony) with the CVV2 issue, which has been corrected.
Your empty rhetoric, spitefulness and wishful thinking are not gonna change facts.
There are some really obtuse people posting in this thread.
Wouldn't you know, I agree completely.
Frankly I'm a little amazed at the pushback some "better safe than sorry" advice has gotten. I'm not saying it's been confirmed the stuff is out there, I'm saying that pretty much the only argument against changing credit card numbers is, by people's own admission, raw laziness.
At any rate. I'll be pretty fascinated to see what we get out of this press conference.
Man, folks need to chill out in this discussion.
I posted something to the effect of
"hey it's cool what you are saying, but we want to know if Sony has any new info."
and a dialog of insults to people, and overall rudeness is what I wake up to
There are some really obtuse people posting in this thread.
Wouldn't you know, I agree completely.
Frankly I'm a little amazed at the pushback some "better safe than sorry" advice has gotten. I'm not saying it's been confirmed the stuff is out there, I'm saying that pretty much the only argument against changing credit card numbers is, by people's own admission, raw laziness.
At any rate. I'll be pretty fascinated to see what we get out of this press conference.
If people aren't willing to take precautions in the current situation, they don't have much right to complain in my view.
Protecting data is a two-way street. Yes, Sony fucked-up catastrophically, but once there's even a hint of that data getting out into the wild, the customers need to sort their own shit out or be prepared for the potential consequences.
I think I've come to a reasonable decision on what Sony's freebie will be, if any.
I'm going to guess it'll be an email voucher that entitles you to a free shipped copy of SOCOM 4.
Reasons? It was a big PS3 release for online players that was out the week of the outage, and I would wager the first big priority for Sony is to get people using the online services again. Therefore, what would be a more realistic way to entice people to log back in then a free copy of their "big" online release?
I personally didn't give much of a toss to get the game myself, but I can see this appeasing the general fan base.
If the CC info was safe, sony would have said that very clearly and very categorically. The wishy washy bullshit they're releasing tells us that CC info is DEFINITELY ou.
They actually did they that it was "safe" as much as legalese allows.
Q: Was my credit card data taken?
A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility.
I don't know how else you can interpret that. We'll see what they have to say in the press conference tomorrow.
I still can't see them dishing out anything more than $0.50 per person, and that would be digital content. There is just no way they'd shell out that much money.
I think a couple free months of PSN+ would be a good idea. Helps increase goodwill, let's people experience it for themselves, and right around E3 they can announce more goodies to get them to extend the membership.
Man, folks need to chill out in this discussion.
I posted something to the effect of
"hey it's cool what you are saying, but we want to know if Sony has any new info."
and a dialog of insults to people, and overall rudeness is what I wake up to
I feel like I never should have posted.
Eh, it's a console thread.
Anytime something like this comes up you're going to have people with axes to grind and fanboys going head to head with lots of other people trying to come up with super clever one liners. The mods are good at keeping it from getting out of hand but the result is you have people trying out troll each other without actually crossing the line into trolling territory.
It can actually be kind of interesting and amusing to watch but yeah it certainly can become grating after awhile. Especially if what you're looking for is actual news and not people trying to be clever asses to one another.
Let's be completely honest about this: there isn't even a snowball's chance in hell that Sony's recompense is going to satisfy more than maybe 10% of the userbase. It just won't, and here's why:
1. The way Sony has handled things up until this point. You think they're going to get magically smarter? You mean, like they got smarter from the 599 US Dollars debacle(full disclosure: that's the model of the PS3 I personally own)? Or the PSPGo? Or botched backwards compatibility? Or the fact that they're running SOCOM 4 commercials while the network is down? Or...you get the idea.
2. They are out millions because of the network being down. Anything they offer in return for our troubles that has a dollar value in many cases has to be multiplied by $70 million or so. When have they ever been this generous? The absolute most expensive they'll get is the cost of PSN+ for one month for each user, and that'll be a marketing ploy hoping to retain customers. Whatever free games you get on PSN+ will be gone the next month unless you renew.
3. Differing expectations. To be frank, there's a whole spectrum of levels of anger with the service itself right now(loss of personal information aside: that should make everyone mad). Personally, I started as only mildly annoyed because I bought Mortal Kombat for the PS3 instead of 360 because of the controller and Kratos, and now I can't play it online. Thank goodness I stuck with 360 when I got Portal 2 or I'd be really miffed. But for people who bought SOCOM 4, or play other online PS3 games a bunch...they have been impacted more than me on a gaming level, and thus will expect more. But then you get into the stolen information...how do you compensate for that? Answer: they don't. That's what lawsuits are for(and sadly even there those involved will get nearly nothing due to the sheer size of it).
So yeah, barring some level of extreme generousity that would be tantamount to financial suicide, no one is going to get what they want from Sony. I'm pretty sure the company knows this, and knows that they're going to hurt either way, and are going to take the "hunker down and try to recoup losses" approach.
I think a couple free months of PSN+ would be a good idea. Helps increase goodwill, let's people experience it for themselves, and right around E3 they can announce more goodies to get them to extend the membership.
Yeah this sounds about right. There is just no stinking way they will compensate with anything tangible.
To be fair it's not the biggest inconvenience in the world. It took me less than 10 minutes on the phone and I should get my new card tomorrow (would have been today except some pillock decided to get married).
It's the name, address etc. being leaked that bothers me more.
True, unless now you have to make sure you change your card on every single website you use that card for. Which is the part that annoys me. I finally got everything situated from a hack that happened to me last month, and now I have to fucking do it again.
Unless they plan on giving different compensation for PSP & PS3 users, giving away a PS3 exclusive game or PSN+ and nothing else would be highly insulting to PSP users.
Unless they plan on giving different compensation for PSP & PS3 users, giving away a PS3 exclusive game or PSN+ and nothing else would be highly insulting to PSP users.
On the one hand, neither my wife nor I can recall using our card for $30.95 with Travelocity.
On the other hand, someone has access to my CC and only charges $30.95?
Also, what the hell, Travelocity? You don't have anyone to talk about billing on the weekend? Well, new cards/numbers ordered. Then on Monday when I can figure out what this charge is I'll get it dropped.
Shit, thinking about it, I'm not even sure if my PSN account had my current CC on it.
Unless they plan on giving different compensation for PSP & PS3 users, giving away a PS3 exclusive game or PSN+ and nothing else would be highly insulting to PSP users.
Maybe they'll give a mini away for free.
ANGRY BIRDS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ugh. Angry Birds isn't a bad game, but the PSP Mini version is a bad port. So much lag in some levels that it's hard to play.
Unless they plan on giving different compensation for PSP & PS3 users, giving away a PS3 exclusive game or PSN+ and nothing else would be highly insulting to PSP users.
Maybe they'll give a mini away for free.
ANGRY BIRDS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ugh. Angry Birds isn't a bad game, but the PSP Mini version is a bad port. So much lag in some levels that it's hard to play.
Yeah, it's pretty bad. I bought it and now I have the iPad version. Night and day.
And did it turn out that card data was compromised?
The way I interpreted it was that because the company had the correct security procedures in place they were able to say that while some information was compromised, their CCs weren't. I could be wrong.
Regardless, Sony can't say the cards weren't compromised because they obviously weren't following protocol. Sony also can't say they were compromised because as others have said, they will lose in court. So we get, "We cannot rule out that possibility, but just in case..."
Posts
this level of coincidences is pretty fucking ridiculous.
If the CC info was safe, sony would have said that very clearly and very categorically. The wishy washy bullshit they're releasing tells us that CC info is DEFINITELY ou.
It's like argueing that the 3RL thing was not a project or manufacturing defect, but just completely random and coincidental breakdowns (probably caused by stupid users).
I don't know how else you can interpret that. We'll see what they have to say in the press conference tomorrow.
Wouldn't you know, I agree completely.
Because if it did, than he must be a US citizen since they wouldn't issue a card to a non-citizen. HOWEVER, if his info was not stolen, clearly he's a Muslim-African-Terrorist.*
*
However, I have zero faith in Sony to use encryption effectively.
I mean, surely they would put more effort into keeping their PS3 Root Key secure than they would our stuff.
Edit: you're right, I said it on the last page... I am sometimes quite forgetful. Ignore me.
You don't know much, then. That's some very obvious and clear "They have your CC shit, but we can't admit it because then we'd lose every single time at the courts forever".
"we cannot rule out that possibility" means "shit most definitely happened yo".
All people who came here to mention they're being scammed confirmed that they're being scammed on the exact same CC that Sony had.
Not to mention that the security of the CC info is compromised, regardless of it actually being leaked or not. That's how IT security works, if you cannot be sure something is safe, than you immediately assume it is compromised and you take all possible measures to contain it. That's how responsible, efficient companies and individuals act. The mere fact that PSN was invaded is good enough reason to change all the related passwords, logins and card numbers.
Why are you putting up this insurmountable wall of denial and making excuses for a particularly shitty corporation? Stop pretending that nothing serious happened. Sony fucked up big time, like few other consumer goods company ever screwed up before, and they're doing everything wrong. Your empty rhetoric, spitefulness and wishful thinking are not gonna change facts.
Still, I'd like to be sure but can't tell until they get the damn service back online!
Absolutely.
Could you point to instances of me doing this? I've been attempting to stem the typical tide of misinformation that naturally gushes from an issue like this. I did make a mistake (as did Sony) with the CVV2 issue, which has been corrected.
o_O
Frankly I'm a little amazed at the pushback some "better safe than sorry" advice has gotten. I'm not saying it's been confirmed the stuff is out there, I'm saying that pretty much the only argument against changing credit card numbers is, by people's own admission, raw laziness.
At any rate. I'll be pretty fascinated to see what we get out of this press conference.
I posted something to the effect of
"hey it's cool what you are saying, but we want to know if Sony has any new info."
and a dialog of insults to people, and overall rudeness is what I wake up to
I feel like I never should have posted.
If people aren't willing to take precautions in the current situation, they don't have much right to complain in my view.
Protecting data is a two-way street. Yes, Sony fucked-up catastrophically, but once there's even a hint of that data getting out into the wild, the customers need to sort their own shit out or be prepared for the potential consequences.
I'm going to guess it'll be an email voucher that entitles you to a free shipped copy of SOCOM 4.
Reasons? It was a big PS3 release for online players that was out the week of the outage, and I would wager the first big priority for Sony is to get people using the online services again. Therefore, what would be a more realistic way to entice people to log back in then a free copy of their "big" online release?
I personally didn't give much of a toss to get the game myself, but I can see this appeasing the general fan base.
Blog||Tumblr|Steam|Twitter|FFXIV|Twitch|YouTube|Podcast|PSN|XBL|DarkZero
steam | xbox live: IGNORANT HARLOT | psn: MadRoll | nintendo network: spinach
3ds: 1504-5717-8252
Platinum FC: 2880 3245 5111
Eh, it's a console thread.
Anytime something like this comes up you're going to have people with axes to grind and fanboys going head to head with lots of other people trying to come up with super clever one liners. The mods are good at keeping it from getting out of hand but the result is you have people trying out troll each other without actually crossing the line into trolling territory.
It can actually be kind of interesting and amusing to watch but yeah it certainly can become grating after awhile. Especially if what you're looking for is actual news and not people trying to be clever asses to one another.
1. The way Sony has handled things up until this point. You think they're going to get magically smarter? You mean, like they got smarter from the 599 US Dollars debacle(full disclosure: that's the model of the PS3 I personally own)? Or the PSPGo? Or botched backwards compatibility? Or the fact that they're running SOCOM 4 commercials while the network is down? Or...you get the idea.
2. They are out millions because of the network being down. Anything they offer in return for our troubles that has a dollar value in many cases has to be multiplied by $70 million or so. When have they ever been this generous? The absolute most expensive they'll get is the cost of PSN+ for one month for each user, and that'll be a marketing ploy hoping to retain customers. Whatever free games you get on PSN+ will be gone the next month unless you renew.
3. Differing expectations. To be frank, there's a whole spectrum of levels of anger with the service itself right now(loss of personal information aside: that should make everyone mad). Personally, I started as only mildly annoyed because I bought Mortal Kombat for the PS3 instead of 360 because of the controller and Kratos, and now I can't play it online. Thank goodness I stuck with 360 when I got Portal 2 or I'd be really miffed. But for people who bought SOCOM 4, or play other online PS3 games a bunch...they have been impacted more than me on a gaming level, and thus will expect more. But then you get into the stolen information...how do you compensate for that? Answer: they don't. That's what lawsuits are for(and sadly even there those involved will get nearly nothing due to the sheer size of it).
So yeah, barring some level of extreme generousity that would be tantamount to financial suicide, no one is going to get what they want from Sony. I'm pretty sure the company knows this, and knows that they're going to hurt either way, and are going to take the "hunker down and try to recoup losses" approach.
Yeah this sounds about right. There is just no stinking way they will compensate with anything tangible.
True, unless now you have to make sure you change your card on every single website you use that card for. Which is the part that annoys me. I finally got everything situated from a hack that happened to me last month, and now I have to fucking do it again.
Again, PSP Go owners have been affected too.
Zeboyd Games Development Blog
Steam ID : rwb36, Twitter : Werezompire, Facebook : Zeboyd Games
Maybe they'll give a mini away for free.
ANGRY BIRDS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the other hand, someone has access to my CC and only charges $30.95?
Also, what the hell, Travelocity? You don't have anyone to talk about billing on the weekend? Well, new cards/numbers ordered. Then on Monday when I can figure out what this charge is I'll get it dropped.
Shit, thinking about it, I'm not even sure if my PSN account had my current CC on it.
Ugh. Angry Birds isn't a bad game, but the PSP Mini version is a bad port. So much lag in some levels that it's hard to play.
Zeboyd Games Development Blog
Steam ID : rwb36, Twitter : Werezompire, Facebook : Zeboyd Games
Yeah, it's pretty bad. I bought it and now I have the iPad version. Night and day.
The way I interpreted it was that because the company had the correct security procedures in place they were able to say that while some information was compromised, their CCs weren't. I could be wrong.
Regardless, Sony can't say the cards weren't compromised because they obviously weren't following protocol. Sony also can't say they were compromised because as others have said, they will lose in court. So we get, "We cannot rule out that possibility, but just in case..."
Sony could send each of them an extra PSP Go. That should keep the crazies happy.
(Please do not gift. My game bank is already full.)
Fixed. :P