Also I could see Scott free, but doom has the center line down the nose and chin as a defining feature and the hood fits -- miracle has that collared thing going.
Somebody mentions creating a "phone tree." What do you think that means?
Because we have a few people here who think it means one thing and a few people here who think it means something quite different.
One person says something in a meeting.
Then several other people in the meeting have to make phone calls because of it.
The people they phone then have to make more phone calls because of the content of those calls.
That's what I think it means.
That's what I thought it was. Do you guys ever get phone trees that close on themselves?
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business C is composed of individuals who refuse to be stifled and feel like things should be done their way -- these design guidelines are terrible i'm just going to make my part the way that it should be done. this policy doesn't make sense to me; i'm just going to ignore it. my boss wants me to work on project A but honestly i am way better suited and more interested on project B so that is what i am going to do.
I have to say, Will, a lot of what you're saying seems motivated by a hardcore hate boner for fucking disreputable hippies. It's like you're fighting a culture war out of time. Which is fine, I guess, I mean I'm still siding with the Communists, if we want to compare who's tilting at older windmills. But I grew up in what is by all lights about as hippy an environment as they come (the lovely Ojai, California, known for its moon cults). And despite its various excesses--let's not get into the state of the science education provided by people who sincerely believe in healing crystals--I think that in terms of its values it was great.
I mean, here's an opposing anecdote. Recently I was playing 7 wonders with a bunch of people. Normally when we play we just add up our scores by ourselves at the end. But the dude who brought the game, this time, absolutely insisted that instead of doing that we all use the little score sheet that came with the game. It took about four times as long, and involved us all awkwardly sitting around reading out sub-portions of our score (7 points from red...) while he scribbled them down. It was So. Dumb. But he had to do it! Because--there was a sheet! That's what it was for. What--were we just going to not use the sheet?
He had a similar fit when some people wanted to trade in their wonders for new ones they hadn't tried before. He was like: oh, well they're supposed to be random. It's only the rules.
Yeah, well sometimes the rules are dumb, and we can think about what works for or against people instead.
i mean i am not championing all rules for their own sake
but i do think the modern american ethic of radical individualism is harmful. i'm not a communist but i do believe in communitarianism - we all exist in society and need to understand and be mindful of who we are from the perspectives of other people and our various society as a whole.
we need to be a good son and a good brother and a good neighbor and a good colleague and a good citizen.
and part of that means that we follow social rules that we didn't independently invent sometimes. we don't pick our noses at the table and we don't spit on the street and we take off our hats indoors and we say please and thank you and we shower at least once a week and we don't wear our larp gear to a funeral.
and maybe it feels like i'm some kind of 1960s square revanchist, but i don't think that the continuing lessons of the hippie movement has really done our culture any favors
Just going to point out that rampant individualism you are talking about isn't Hippie culture but Yuppie culture of the late 1970's into the 1980's.
Hippies were more Utopian communalist. The belief in care and acceptance of all as they were but also that we as a society must take care of the poor, the bereft, the sick and expend resources to do that. Yuppies are the my way or highway all for me and mine thought process.
they are the same people with the same basic philosophy as it transitioned from the perspective of the penniless student to the suddenly-flush-with-cash.
the focus of the hippies was never really on social responsibility. it was on social freedom. i do what i want and no one can tell me different!
all of the new deal and great society programs were passed and implemented by previous generations concerned about social responsibility.
the hippie communes were never about providing for the sick and needy - they were acts of individual defiance. they were statements that the hippies would live by their own rules and owed nothing to "society".
which then was exactly the same thing when they bought in and started making some money and started calling themselves yuppies.
business C is composed of individuals who refuse to be stifled and feel like things should be done their way -- these design guidelines are terrible i'm just going to make my part the way that it should be done. this policy doesn't make sense to me; i'm just going to ignore it. my boss wants me to work on project A but honestly i am way better suited and more interested on project B so that is what i am going to do.
I have to say, Will, a lot of what you're saying seems motivated by a hardcore hate boner for fucking disreputable hippies. It's like you're fighting a culture war out of time. Which is fine, I guess, I mean I'm still siding with the Communists, if we want to compare who's tilting at older windmills. But I grew up in what is by all lights about as hippy an environment as they come (the lovely Ojai, California, known for its moon cults). And despite its various excesses--let's not get into the state of the science education provided by people who sincerely believe in healing crystals--I think that in terms of its values it was great.
I mean, here's an opposing anecdote. Recently I was playing 7 wonders with a bunch of people. Normally when we play we just add up our scores by ourselves at the end. But the dude who brought the game, this time, absolutely insisted that instead of doing that we all use the little score sheet that came with the game. It took about four times as long, and involved us all awkwardly sitting around reading out sub-portions of our score (7 points from red...) while he scribbled them down. It was So. Dumb. But he had to do it! Because--there was a sheet! That's what it was for. What--were we just going to not use the sheet?
He had a similar fit when some people wanted to trade in their wonders for new ones they hadn't tried before. He was like: oh, well they're supposed to be random. It's only the rules.
Yeah, well sometimes the rules are dumb, and we can think about what works for or against people instead.
i mean i am not championing all rules for their own sake
but i do think the modern american ethic of radical individualism is harmful. i'm not a communist but i do believe in communitarianism - we all exist in society and need to understand and be mindful of who we are from the perspectives of other people and our various society as a whole.
we need to be a good son and a good brother and a good neighbor and a good colleague and a good citizen.
and part of that means that we follow social rules that we didn't independently invent sometimes. we don't pick our noses at the table and we don't spit on the street and we take off our hats indoors and we say please and thank you and we shower at least once a week and we don't wear our larp gear to a funeral.
and maybe it feels like i'm some kind of 1960s square revanchist, but i don't think that the continuing lessons of the hippie movement has really done our culture any favors
I agree with almost all of this, but being expected to wear a suit every goddamn day of your life is still a dumb relic of an age dedicated to protecting society from everything different (different in this case generally meaning non-white and non-male), and I'm glad that the custom is dying out in most areas of American society. Every man should own a suit or two and know how to wear them - I'm totally down with that. But the days of it being mandatory workwear for most of the culture cannot go away fast enough.
Somebody mentions creating a "phone tree." What do you think that means?
Because we have a few people here who think it means one thing and a few people here who think it means something quite different.
I'm disappointed no one suggested melting many work phones into a tree shape.
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Dont go see MF Doom Tav. I love the guy but there is no gaurantee it's even really him. He's a fucking dick about shows and takes the super villain schtick too far by having "decoys"
Somebody mentions creating a "phone tree." What do you think that means?
Because we have a few people here who think it means one thing and a few people here who think it means something quite different.
That's when you call the main number and like, press 1 for sales, press 2 for support, $c.
That's what the other group thinks it means.
How is that a tree?
Where I work that is termed an "IVR" but I have no idea what that stands for
Cause you start at the root (main number), then are given several branches (sales, support), and those might also branch off (new sales, used sales; technical support, payment support).
I've never heard the other thing called a phone tree.
I'd call it a mess, honestly.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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TehSlothHit Or MissI Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered Userregular
Dont go see MF Doom Tav. I love the guy but there is no gaurantee it's even really him. He's a fucking dick about shows and takes the super villain schtick too far by having "decoys"
I'm not really a fan. It's also way more than I'd spend on a show that I'd go to on a whim. I just think it's excellent advertising.
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business C is composed of individuals who refuse to be stifled and feel like things should be done their way -- these design guidelines are terrible i'm just going to make my part the way that it should be done. this policy doesn't make sense to me; i'm just going to ignore it. my boss wants me to work on project A but honestly i am way better suited and more interested on project B so that is what i am going to do.
I have to say, Will, a lot of what you're saying seems motivated by a hardcore hate boner for fucking disreputable hippies. It's like you're fighting a culture war out of time. Which is fine, I guess, I mean I'm still siding with the Communists, if we want to compare who's tilting at older windmills. But I grew up in what is by all lights about as hippy an environment as they come (the lovely Ojai, California, known for its moon cults). And despite its various excesses--let's not get into the state of the science education provided by people who sincerely believe in healing crystals--I think that in terms of its values it was great.
I mean, here's an opposing anecdote. Recently I was playing 7 wonders with a bunch of people. Normally when we play we just add up our scores by ourselves at the end. But the dude who brought the game, this time, absolutely insisted that instead of doing that we all use the little score sheet that came with the game. It took about four times as long, and involved us all awkwardly sitting around reading out sub-portions of our score (7 points from red...) while he scribbled them down. It was So. Dumb. But he had to do it! Because--there was a sheet! That's what it was for. What--were we just going to not use the sheet?
He had a similar fit when some people wanted to trade in their wonders for new ones they hadn't tried before. He was like: oh, well they're supposed to be random. It's only the rules.
Yeah, well sometimes the rules are dumb, and we can think about what works for or against people instead.
i mean i am not championing all rules for their own sake
but i do think the modern american ethic of radical individualism is harmful. i'm not a communist but i do believe in communitarianism - we all exist in society and need to understand and be mindful of who we are from the perspectives of other people and our various society as a whole.
we need to be a good son and a good brother and a good neighbor and a good colleague and a good citizen.
and part of that means that we follow social rules that we didn't independently invent sometimes. we don't pick our noses at the table and we don't spit on the street and we take off our hats indoors and we say please and thank you and we shower at least once a week and we don't wear our larp gear to a funeral.
and maybe it feels like i'm some kind of 1960s square revanchist, but i don't think that the continuing lessons of the hippie movement has really done our culture any favors
Similarly, I'm not championing Mere Anarchy Loosed. I also think it's important to be conscientious.
However, I also think that our social practices can often express bad values, and that it's important to critique them. There used to be elaborate rules of address, that people took just as seriously or more as not picking their nose or whatever, and which governed the ways in which it was permissible for someone with lower social standing to speak to someone of higher social standing. They still persist to some degree in our policies around honorifics, but in general the relatively more egalitarian elan of our age has dismantled them. And, I think, rightly so. And I think that norms we often fold into 'respect' and 'politeness' fall into the potentially problematic category of needing egalitarian critique.
That is, though, again, not to say that I think there are no genuine norms of respect or politeness. I often get into arguments with the radical left on this topic, and come down squarely on the side of valuing certain forms of civil respect. It's just to say that we have to be alive to the ideological underpinning of our social relations. When we choose to address and treat people in certain ways, to spend our money thus and so, to call or not call back, and so on, it means something. And we should be aware of what it means, and ready to change it if we don't like what we see.
I also think that in terms of the hippies specifically, two things are true. The first is that we largely caricature and stereotype their celebration of individualism, but that's largely because they won on that issue--and as a result we live more in the open air. We lack appreciation for exactly how stifling the conformist culture of our grandparents could be. The second is that even if the hippies largely won on individualism, they largely lost on the issue of conspicuous consumption. I think we need that critique as much as we ever did, and that's why I'm particularly skeptical of certain fashion norms. Fashion strikes me as a complicated subject, and there is certainly a sort of aesthetic joy in it that seems inextricable from the human condition. But at the same time it is unquestionably an area where we advertise and reinforce unpleasant hierarchies. So again, I think it's somewhere where we need to live the life examined. We should think about what we're really doing and what it really means.
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A phone tree sounds like a thing no one needs because email exists
TehSlothHit Or MissI Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered Userregular
I'm pretty disappointed that one of the only concerts I was hoping to go to was sold out pretty much instantly, they picked up a second night and it also sold out instantly.
And the tickets are will call only with ID matching the buyer so I can't just snag something on stub hub, I'd have to wait in line with some douchebag craigslist scalper.
I find it hilarious that there's a Limbo leaderboard. I'm sure it's there because Microsoft requires it, but funny nonetheless. And my 82% > Will's 0%, or skippy's meager 53%. I am the best at games.
Will FWIW I'm on your side in this thing about casual dress and good manners. People seem to think I'm a fascist because I expect the kids to say "yes, sir" when I tell them to do stuff and explain how their belt and shoes need to match and whatnot.
Being comfortable in a suit is good. Dressing like you give a shit matters. It makes you feel good, it makes you feel together.
People who have issues wearing a suit shoudl practice it until they're comfortable, because you look confident as a motherfucker and feel great when you're dressed to the nines.
I'd wear a tux after 6PM every day if I thought I could get away with it. What am I, a farmer?
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I'm pretty disappointed that one of the only concerts I was hoping to go to was sold out pretty much instantly, they picked up a second night and it also sold out instantly.
And the tickets are will call only with ID matching the buyer so I can't just snag something on stub hub, I'd have to wait in line with some douchebag craigslist scalper.
Show up.
punch him in the dick.
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I think we're all mistaking "dressing nice" with "wearing a suit."
Yes you should wear a tie to a job interview but if you were to wear a full suit to a job interview at say a mechanics shop I don't think it'd fly too well depending on the sort of people.
That said you should also always wear pants. Unless you're on the west coast, they just don't care out there.
I find it hilarious that there's a Limbo leaderboard. I'm sure it's there because Microsoft requires it, but funny nonetheless. And my 82% > Will's 0%, or skippy's meager 53%. I am the best at games.
A phone tree sounds like a thing no one needs because email exists
It's really only useful for emergencies.
Yeah.
Which is why i'm finding it weird that apparently everyone else in the world has assigned the useful phrase "phone tree" to something they'll probably never need to use, instead of the thing they have to use every month when comcast fucks up their bill.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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Will, it is exhausting to read you go on about "kids these days" circa 1969 as though the entire counterculture movement of the time including the anti-war, environmentalism, and civil rights groups can be successfully reduced to 'lol hippies'.
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the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Yeah, you're right. I support change, btw.
How is that a tree?
Where I work that is termed an "IVR" but I have no idea what that stands for
This is all I can find online which really doesn't do it justice.
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That's what I thought it was. Do you guys ever get phone trees that close on themselves?
they are the same people with the same basic philosophy as it transitioned from the perspective of the penniless student to the suddenly-flush-with-cash.
the focus of the hippies was never really on social responsibility. it was on social freedom. i do what i want and no one can tell me different!
all of the new deal and great society programs were passed and implemented by previous generations concerned about social responsibility.
the hippie communes were never about providing for the sick and needy - they were acts of individual defiance. they were statements that the hippies would live by their own rules and owed nothing to "society".
which then was exactly the same thing when they bought in and started making some money and started calling themselves yuppies.
fucking boomers man. just the worst.
I agree with almost all of this, but being expected to wear a suit every goddamn day of your life is still a dumb relic of an age dedicated to protecting society from everything different (different in this case generally meaning non-white and non-male), and I'm glad that the custom is dying out in most areas of American society. Every man should own a suit or two and know how to wear them - I'm totally down with that. But the days of it being mandatory workwear for most of the culture cannot go away fast enough.
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Cause you start at the root (main number), then are given several branches (sales, support), and those might also branch off (new sales, used sales; technical support, payment support).
I've never heard the other thing called a phone tree.
I'd call it a mess, honestly.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Yeah, that's what I thought, emergency planning stuff is the only time I've really seen that kind of thing.
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aw, nuts.
a wooden post with pegs where you hang your phones?
Interactive Voice Response = kind of an outdated name for what I call an Autoattendant Menu
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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I'm not really a fan. It's also way more than I'd spend on a show that I'd go to on a whim. I just think it's excellent advertising.
It has interconnected nodes with children and a root, it is a tree in the structural sense.
Similarly, I'm not championing Mere Anarchy Loosed. I also think it's important to be conscientious.
However, I also think that our social practices can often express bad values, and that it's important to critique them. There used to be elaborate rules of address, that people took just as seriously or more as not picking their nose or whatever, and which governed the ways in which it was permissible for someone with lower social standing to speak to someone of higher social standing. They still persist to some degree in our policies around honorifics, but in general the relatively more egalitarian elan of our age has dismantled them. And, I think, rightly so. And I think that norms we often fold into 'respect' and 'politeness' fall into the potentially problematic category of needing egalitarian critique.
That is, though, again, not to say that I think there are no genuine norms of respect or politeness. I often get into arguments with the radical left on this topic, and come down squarely on the side of valuing certain forms of civil respect. It's just to say that we have to be alive to the ideological underpinning of our social relations. When we choose to address and treat people in certain ways, to spend our money thus and so, to call or not call back, and so on, it means something. And we should be aware of what it means, and ready to change it if we don't like what we see.
I also think that in terms of the hippies specifically, two things are true. The first is that we largely caricature and stereotype their celebration of individualism, but that's largely because they won on that issue--and as a result we live more in the open air. We lack appreciation for exactly how stifling the conformist culture of our grandparents could be. The second is that even if the hippies largely won on individualism, they largely lost on the issue of conspicuous consumption. I think we need that critique as much as we ever did, and that's why I'm particularly skeptical of certain fashion norms. Fashion strikes me as a complicated subject, and there is certainly a sort of aesthetic joy in it that seems inextricable from the human condition. But at the same time it is unquestionably an area where we advertise and reinforce unpleasant hierarchies. So again, I think it's somewhere where we need to live the life examined. We should think about what we're really doing and what it really means.
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And the tickets are will call only with ID matching the buyer so I can't just snag something on stub hub, I'd have to wait in line with some douchebag craigslist scalper.
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It's really only useful for emergencies.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Being comfortable in a suit is good. Dressing like you give a shit matters. It makes you feel good, it makes you feel together.
People who have issues wearing a suit shoudl practice it until they're comfortable, because you look confident as a motherfucker and feel great when you're dressed to the nines.
I'd wear a tux after 6PM every day if I thought I could get away with it. What am I, a farmer?
Show up.
punch him in the dick.
leave
Yes you should wear a tie to a job interview but if you were to wear a full suit to a job interview at say a mechanics shop I don't think it'd fly too well depending on the sort of people.
That said you should also always wear pants. Unless you're on the west coast, they just don't care out there.
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I liked it.
Great art, decent gameplay.
A phone tree is where you get disaster news, and you call two people, who also call two people, etc.
context-dependent
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
can I get my lip pierced
can I wear jeans and a t shirt
Yeah.
Which is why i'm finding it weird that apparently everyone else in the world has assigned the useful phrase "phone tree" to something they'll probably never need to use, instead of the thing they have to use every month when comcast fucks up their bill.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
man.