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its nasty to take pleasure in seeing someone turn away from religion
What? Why?
Implied dismissal of the value of religion and condescending sense of the person coming to the "right" answer about a major personal life decision.
Condescension and being personal stuff aside, dismissal of the value of religion is an opinion I don't think anyone has a right to get offended by
people with different views than you kinda by definition don't have a reverence for yours
I find the bolded weird because the conversation, until it got skfm'd, was all about whether it's cruel or rude to say it's "hilarious" that someone built their life around something "inherently irrational" before that ground fell out from under them.
I... what's weird about it? I'm saying "I'm responding to the bit of your sentence that was before the "and" "
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VanguardBut now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
MrMisterJesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered Userregular
kk gotta run / later homps
in parting: one time, I had a religious student in my class who struggled with their religious doctrines throughout. Each unit (personal identity, mind-body problem) they knew what they were supposed to say: we have indestructible immaterial souls, and these, in conjunction with God's activity, explain the relevant phenomena. But they were also smart and paying attention, so they were themselves deeply dissatisfied with these answers. Basically they could perceive how dumb they were. But they were supposed to say them! They'd even say things in class like "well, functionalism is obviously the right position, but I'm Christian so..." By the end, I think they eventually gave up the ghost (get it?)
Anyway, I found it hilarious. Lil guy struggling against the inevitable. To borrow an analogy that people here might relate to: it was like watching someone who was into Gamergate, but then they keep reading about it, and they start getting freaked out, and eventually they're like--man, I guess it isn't about ethics in games journalism...
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I don't really agree that faith and politics are the same thing.
when it comes to how entitled to respect they are, they're the same thing to me.
I find politics to be for more ephemeral and less deserving of respect than religion, personally. I also say this as someone who is not and has never been religious.
politics are assuredly not deserving of as much respect as religion. Politics is concerned with the distribution of rights, resources and justice on earth. Religions are concerned with the metaphysical and heavenly. It's when religion dons a political face or tries to justify political action with religious dogma that the respect I have for a person's personal faith dwindles significantly.
its nasty to take pleasure in seeing someone turn away from religion
What? Why?
There are so many reasons, but a lesser one is it could be seen as essentially laughing at someone for failing to commit. It's also gossip(granted, we do a lot of this, its [chat]), and the person isnt here to talk about it.
It's being a silly goose. I don't like organized religion, but I wouldnt laugh/make fun about something like that, its a stressful experience making a solid decision about what beliefs to follow. Weather you are going in, or leaving. That person needs support and people to talk to, not people pointing fingers.
Now! On the otherhand if she treated it just as a lighthearted, its completely appropriate. But I think theres enough context here.
Eh I don't know the person we're talking about but I took P10s statement to be in general rather than specific to a person.
Which is why I questioned it. There are certainly times when it's more than appropriate to take pleasure in someone turning away from religion. The most obvious example is someone leaving a cult.
I think the distinction is the difference between taking pleasure and being a smug jerk.
I can't imagine being a smug jerk about someone who had been taken advantage of by a cult.
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dk have you encountered that every german speaks english and wants to 'practice' their english with you
I get to enjoy the opposite. I look sufficiently German and my last name is v German, so they all speak to me in German. I pretend to understand and keep up the charade as long as I can. When they switch to English, I lose. I kept a man on the train going for a solid hour.
dk have you encountered that every german speaks english and wants to 'practice' their english with you
I get to enjoy the opposite. I look sufficiently German and my last name is v German, so they all speak to me in German. I pretend to understand and keep up the charade as long as I can. When they switch to English, I lose. I kept a man on the train going for a solid hour.
I don't really agree that faith and politics are the same thing.
when it comes to how entitled to respect they are, they're the same thing to me.
I find politics to be for more ephemeral and less deserving of respect than religion, personally. I also say this as someone who is not and has never been religious.
as a tendency, sure. But not like, inherently.
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VanguardBut now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
I don't really agree that faith and politics are the same thing.
when it comes to how entitled to respect they are, they're the same thing to me.
I find politics to be for more ephemeral and less deserving of respect than religion, personally. I also say this as someone who is not and has never been religious.
politics are assuredly not deserving of as much respect as religion. Politics is concerned with the distribution of rights, resources and justice on earth. Religions are concerned with the metaphysical and heavenly. It's when religion dons a political face or tries to justify political action with religious dogma that the respect I have for a person's personal faith dwindles significantly.
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its nasty to take pleasure in seeing someone turn away from religion
What? Why?
It's kinda nasty to take pleasure in anything with a sort of "I told you so" kind of manner, is more how I read that.
No one gets their tailfeathers ruffled when someone says they take pleasure in seeing someone turn away from right-wing politics.
My heart is warmed when someone loses the faith in much the same way I imagine a religious person's heart is warmed when they see someone find religion.
I personally think it is presumptuous to hold my view on matters like religion as the one true and correct view point and to think all others are wrong, in much the same way that I loathe it when someone tries to proselytize to me. I think that religion is a deeply personal matter and that everyone is entitled to have whatever they believe respected and not looked down on. The only exception is where someone is being harmed by a view (like parents that won't give their children medicine).
People may be entitled to certain forms of politeness and social decency (including, e.g., crystal healing types), but I don't think there's any sense in which that extends to having their beliefs (e.g., their belief that crystals heal) respected. Some beliefs, including almost all religious ones, are pretty poor, even if ordinary social norms instruct us not to go around making a big deal out of it in mixed company.
i hereby request said politeness and social decency with reference to chat and big deals being made
I agree with this post, and am going to bow out of the discussion on religion, especially since I have not been substantively defending the merits of belief, just that it is not right to be dismissive of people's deeply held personal beliefs. Put another way, all I have really been saying on this topic is "think what you think, but don't be a dick to people that disagree just because they disagree with you."
No you did say we have to respect them for their views. Which is not the lack of being a dick. It's respect.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
its nasty to take pleasure in seeing someone turn away from religion
What? Why?
Implied dismissal of the value of religion and condescending sense of the person coming to the "right" answer about a major personal life decision.
Condescension and being personal stuff aside, dismissal of the value of religion is an opinion I don't think anyone has a right to get offended by
people with different views than you kinda by definition don't have a reverence for yours
I find the bolded weird because the conversation, until it got skfm'd, was all about whether it's cruel or rude to say it's "hilarious" that someone built their life around something "inherently irrational" before that ground fell out from under them.
Oh come on let's not go there with this.
Seriously people. I like to think we're mature enough to not do this shit. We get spoken to more often then we should about not shitting up the [chat] thread about things like this.
All that new agey healing stuff is hilarious. Except when it gets really depressing like that lady who died of cancer recently after pushing that stuff for years. And it was totally understandable why she went down that route because the cancer was high enough up in her arm that the only thing that could have saved her was a really brutal amputation. Like removing the entire shoulder brutal.
its nasty to take pleasure in seeing someone turn away from religion
What? Why?
It's kinda nasty to take pleasure in anything with a sort of "I told you so" kind of manner, is more how I read that.
No one gets their tailfeathers ruffled when someone says they take pleasure in seeing someone turn away from right-wing politics.
My heart is warmed when someone loses the faith in much the same way I imagine a religious person's heart is warmed when they see someone find religion.
I personally think it is presumptuous to hold my view on matters like religion as the one true and correct view point and to think all others are wrong, in much the same way that I loathe it when someone tries to proselytize to me. I think that religion is a deeply personal matter and that everyone is entitled to have whatever they believe respected and not looked down on. The only exception is where someone is being harmed by a view (like parents that won't give their children medicine).
I totally disagree
nobody's free from being looked down on and no point of view is ever entitled respect divorced from its merits
I look down on people who think vaccination causes autism and that ghosts are real
and I don't respect it because what's there to respect?
Your own limitations as a human being.
Abdhyius, looking back on human history, there is almost near certainty that there are beliefs that you and I hold to be totally and utterly true that are just completely false. The truth is that everyone is easily capable of being wrong, no matter how smart they are, no matter how educated they are. I think you can offer that level respect to anyone's position; "I could be wrong". I feel like that should be the basis of any interaction you have with another person.
You can afford someone that politeness. You don't have to bend to their beliefs or act on them in any way, you just have to acknowledge the chance that they may legitimately have information that you do not have.
Because there is not one human being I have ever met who was as smart as they thought they were (myself highly among them).
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dk have you encountered that every german speaks english and wants to 'practice' their english with you
I get to enjoy the opposite. I look sufficiently German and my last name is v German, so they all speak to me in German. I pretend to understand and keep up the charade as long as I can. When they switch to English, I lose. I kept a man on the train going for a solid hour.
got that nod and smile game on lock
When I mixed in a sufficiently accent neutral "danke" I brought it to the next level.
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
its nasty to take pleasure in seeing someone turn away from religion
What? Why?
Implied dismissal of the value of religion and condescending sense of the person coming to the "right" answer about a major personal life decision.
Condescension and being personal stuff aside, dismissal of the value of religion is an opinion I don't think anyone has a right to get offended by
people with different views than you kinda by definition don't have a reverence for yours
I find the bolded weird because the conversation, until it got skfm'd, was all about whether it's cruel or rude to say it's "hilarious" that someone built their life around something "inherently irrational" before that ground fell out from under them.
Oh come on let's not go there with this.
Seriously people. I like to think we're mature enough to not do this shit. We get spoken to more often then we should about not shitting up the [chat] thread about things like this.
he entered the conversation and therefore skfm'd it
it's kind of like czar'd i think
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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HakkekageSpace Whore Academysumma cum laudeRegistered Userregular
I don't really agree that faith and politics are the same thing.
when it comes to how entitled to respect they are, they're the same thing to me.
I find politics to be for more ephemeral and less deserving of respect than religion, personally. I also say this as someone who is not and has never been religious.
politics are assuredly not deserving of as much respect as religion. Politics is concerned with the distribution of rights, resources and justice on earth. Religions are concerned with the metaphysical and heavenly. It's when religion dons a political face or tries to justify political action with religious dogma that the respect I have for a person's personal faith dwindles significantly.
ding ding ding
we have a winner
omg what do i win
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dk have you encountered that every german speaks english and wants to 'practice' their english with you
I get to enjoy the opposite. I look sufficiently German and my last name is v German, so they all speak to me in German. I pretend to understand and keep up the charade as long as I can. When they switch to English, I lose. I kept a man on the train going for a solid hour.
got that nod and smile game on lock
When I mixed in a sufficiently accent neutral "danke" I brought it to the next level.
dk have you encountered that every german speaks english and wants to 'practice' their english with you
I get to enjoy the opposite. I look sufficiently German and my last name is v German, so they all speak to me in German. I pretend to understand and keep up the charade as long as I can. When they switch to English, I lose. I kept a man on the train going for a solid hour.
got that nod and smile game on lock
When I mixed in a sufficiently accent neutral "danke" I brought it to the next level.
just tell people "ich liebe dich" if you agree with them and "ich liebe dich nicht" if you disagree
Fox are also making Minority Report into a TV show. Hmmm. Not sure the premise can stand the weight of a full season of TV.
It'll probably be like that tv show where a guy got the following day's newspaper and used it to stop disasters and accidents.
new edition or daily edition or something like that.
i liked that show.
there was one where a plane crashed because of geeseon the runway and also a child getting hit by a car and dying
the guy is like I must save the 100 people on the plane! but he fails to make it to the airport. he's like im such a failure
but he saves the childs life
and it turns out the child's father is on the plane or is the pilot or something
so the flight gets delayed after they call about the child
and he winds up saving everyone and the lesson is something something sometimes the smallest actions can effect the larger things something something
Bless your heart.
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shaving can be real pleasant if you get the fancy brush and the not-disposable razor and the fancy soap! it is no longer something that i spend too much time of my day thinking about because it is fun and relaxing now
I... what's weird about it? I'm saying "I'm responding to the bit of your sentence that was before the "and" "
That would be a good prog rock band name.
USA recently ordered a pilot for "Shooter," based on the Mark Wahlberg film.
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in parting: one time, I had a religious student in my class who struggled with their religious doctrines throughout. Each unit (personal identity, mind-body problem) they knew what they were supposed to say: we have indestructible immaterial souls, and these, in conjunction with God's activity, explain the relevant phenomena. But they were also smart and paying attention, so they were themselves deeply dissatisfied with these answers. Basically they could perceive how dumb they were. But they were supposed to say them! They'd even say things in class like "well, functionalism is obviously the right position, but I'm Christian so..." By the end, I think they eventually gave up the ghost (get it?)
Anyway, I found it hilarious. Lil guy struggling against the inevitable. To borrow an analogy that people here might relate to: it was like watching someone who was into Gamergate, but then they keep reading about it, and they start getting freaked out, and eventually they're like--man, I guess it isn't about ethics in games journalism...
politics are assuredly not deserving of as much respect as religion. Politics is concerned with the distribution of rights, resources and justice on earth. Religions are concerned with the metaphysical and heavenly. It's when religion dons a political face or tries to justify political action with religious dogma that the respect I have for a person's personal faith dwindles significantly.
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I think the distinction is the difference between taking pleasure and being a smug jerk.
I can't imagine being a smug jerk about someone who had been taken advantage of by a cult.
this happened to me in Iceland a lot
people just assumed i was also Icelandic
because i am fucking gorgeous i guess
as a tendency, sure. But not like, inherently.
ding ding ding
we have a winner
It'll probably be like that tv show where a guy got the following day's newspaper and used it to stop disasters and accidents.
No you did say we have to respect them for their views. Which is not the lack of being a dick. It's respect.
the v stands for von so it's a little deutsche
Oh come on let's not go there with this.
Seriously people. I like to think we're mature enough to not do this shit. We get spoken to more often then we should about not shitting up the [chat] thread about things like this.
think we can all agree on those
religion as an organizing force in family norms of justice and obligations is pretty central for most people alive on the planet today
But, that is what my post said was the general consensus, you cannot affirm AND start that affirmation with "no".
Your own limitations as a human being.
Abdhyius, looking back on human history, there is almost near certainty that there are beliefs that you and I hold to be totally and utterly true that are just completely false. The truth is that everyone is easily capable of being wrong, no matter how smart they are, no matter how educated they are. I think you can offer that level respect to anyone's position; "I could be wrong". I feel like that should be the basis of any interaction you have with another person.
You can afford someone that politeness. You don't have to bend to their beliefs or act on them in any way, you just have to acknowledge the chance that they may legitimately have information that you do not have.
Because there is not one human being I have ever met who was as smart as they thought they were (myself highly among them).
k
When I mixed in a sufficiently accent neutral "danke" I brought it to the next level.
he entered the conversation and therefore skfm'd it
it's kind of like czar'd i think
omg what do i win
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ahhhhh that makes more sense
Sorry.
Breast man.
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just tell people "ich liebe dich" if you agree with them and "ich liebe dich nicht" if you disagree
It means thank you only if you pronounce it like "Donkey".
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new edition or daily edition or something like that.
i liked that show.
there was one where a plane crashed because of geeseon the runway and also a child getting hit by a car and dying
the guy is like I must save the 100 people on the plane! but he fails to make it to the airport. he's like im such a failure
but he saves the childs life
and it turns out the child's father is on the plane or is the pilot or something
so the flight gets delayed after they call about the child
and he winds up saving everyone and the lesson is something something sometimes the smallest actions can effect the larger things something something