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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    I don't know the specifics of the danish system

    but the position of norwegian prime minister has next to no formal powers

    and the informal powers, by constitutional custom, really only extend to being able to swap other ministers

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    HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    Parliamentary systems are too confusing for my American mind everyone should have a simple completely broken system like we do.

    But why be deeply broken and simplistic, when you can be deeply broken and byzantine?
    I mean, why settle for the lesser of two evils?

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    which is kind of interesting.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    yessssss Space Engineers is getting planets, maybe next week, and they're huge

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    from the surface
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    the 1000 m/s mod will be necessary because taking 20 minutes to get from "planet fills your whole view" to getting to the surface might be a bit much

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    I presume they've managed what UKIP has not, namely successfully shake off suspicions of right-wing welfare policies along with all the racism

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    parliamentarism isn't so byzantine

    the main clue is that power lies with the parliament, the head of state does fuck all. And the prime minister and their government are really just the daily managers hired on the whim of parliament.

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    jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I don't know the specifics of the danish system

    but the position of norwegian prime minister has next to no formal powers

    and the informal powers, by constitutional custom, really only extend to being able to swap other ministers

    I'm not sure how much is formal vs informal but the prime minster definitely has a lot of power

    Usually is also chairman of the largest party, but I guess not this time - Labour got the most votes for a party, but the right wing as a whole has one seat more than the parties who'd appoint Thorning. Next biggest party is DF but they don't want it. And so, Venstre gets it, even though the chairman Løkke has had a bunch of expense account scandal and is just kind of mediocre, and his party was third in votes overall, a massive decrease from last election.

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    LOL.

    I am getting e-mails for big petitions on change dot org.

    One of them is about a dog meat festival.

    Apparently some assholes in Toronto think it's cruel for chinese people to eat dog meat during a festival.

    So, of course, we need to stop them and outlaw the practice of eating meat from cute animals, right?
    I don't think having and acting upon a strong cultural aversion to eating dogs makes someone an asshole.

    Like Abdhy said, it's not that they don't eat dogs, it's that they think no one ever should be allowed to eat dog ever in the world that makes them assholes. I wouldn't eat dog either, but I won't pretend this makes me morally superior to the Chinese or whoever else eats dog meat. It's like the cultural taboo on eating horse. It's a bit assholish to say "this animal is cute, someone who eats it should go to jail for it. "

    I'm okay with outlawing live skinning, tho. That's not okay.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    What I want to see sometime is an involuntary member of parliament

    because sitting in the storting is only voluntary in practice - in that nobody gets in without trying. But if for some reason you don't want to, you don't have a choice, if the people has elected you as a representative you have to represent them.

    Will never happen. Although we can still hope somebody will see the light and start to favour trancendental meditation over traditional governance while the votes are being counted.

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    jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    on the brightish side the new party Alternativet got in

    kind of a hippyish Green party but without the general leftism so that non-socialists can vote for the environment for a change. Also very open to new ideas and committed to a positive debate culture instead of mud flinging and sophistry (not red enough for my taste though!). Hopefully they can at least shake things up.

    so there are 9 parties in parliament now, plus the 4 seats from Greenland and the Faroes that is 3 or maybe 4 seats

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    jakobagger wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I don't know the specifics of the danish system

    but the position of norwegian prime minister has next to no formal powers

    and the informal powers, by constitutional custom, really only extend to being able to swap other ministers

    I'm not sure how much is formal vs informal but the prime minster definitely has a lot of power

    Usually is also chairman of the largest party, but I guess not this time - Labour got the most votes for a party, but the right wing as a whole has one seat more than the parties who'd appoint Thorning. Next biggest party is DF but they don't want it. And so, Venstre gets it, even though the chairman Løkke has had a bunch of expense account scandal and is just kind of mediocre, and his party was third in votes overall, a massive decrease from last election.

    "informal" is maybe not the right word for constitutional custom. Implicit vs explicit, rather.

    You probably have it a lot similar to us - the prime minister's power pretty much comes from the simple fact that she sits in the middle

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    jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    I presume they've managed what UKIP has not, namely successfully shake off suspicions of right-wing welfare policies along with all the racism

    the Danish People's Party are ostensibly social democratic when it comes to welfare policy

    but, they appoint Liberal prime ministers, and vote for social cuts as long as they get something that fucks over Muslims (and other immigrants/refugees/foreigners, but mostly Muslims) in return

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    jakobagger wrote: »
    on the brightish side the new party Alternativet got in

    kind of a hippyish Green party but without the general leftism so that non-socialists can vote for the environment for a change. Also very open to new ideas and committed to a positive debate culture instead of mud flinging and sophistry (not red enough for my taste though!). Hopefully they can at least shake things up.

    so there are 9 parties in parliament now, plus the 4 seats from Greenland and the Faroes that is 3 or maybe 4 seats

    bright and bright. How serious are they?

    I have a strong dislike of our Greens. Bunch of morons. Not a single-issue or single-interest party, but I guess single-cause. There's so many votings in the Storting where they've just gone "no opinioooon!" and done a no-show.

    Since, like

    most things are not about environmentalism

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    jakobagger wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    I presume they've managed what UKIP has not, namely successfully shake off suspicions of right-wing welfare policies along with all the racism

    the Danish People's Party are ostensibly social democratic when it comes to welfare policy

    but, they appoint Liberal prime ministers, and vote for social cuts as long as they get something that fucks over Muslims (and other immigrants/refugees/foreigners, but mostly Muslims) in return

    ours started with the name "Anders Lange's Party for a Strong Reduction in Taxes, Duties and Public Intervention"

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Also the danish inspiration had some style at least
    The party was placed on the right of the political spectrum, as it believed in radical tax cuts (including removing the income tax altogether) and vowed to cut government spending. An example is the suggestion to replace the entire department of defence with an answering machine with the recorded message "we surrender" in Russian.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Let's play the game of "have I been paid yet?"

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    I have!

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    I want the reds back. They were good at having their single storting member. Good questions from them.

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    jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    jakobagger wrote: »
    on the brightish side the new party Alternativet got in

    kind of a hippyish Green party but without the general leftism so that non-socialists can vote for the environment for a change. Also very open to new ideas and committed to a positive debate culture instead of mud flinging and sophistry (not red enough for my taste though!). Hopefully they can at least shake things up.

    so there are 9 parties in parliament now, plus the 4 seats from Greenland and the Faroes that is 3 or maybe 4 seats

    bright and bright. How serious are they?

    I have a strong dislike of our Greens. Bunch of morons. Not a single-issue or single-interest party, but I guess single-cause. There's so many votings in the Storting where they've just gone "no opinioooon!" and done a no-show.

    Since, like

    most things are not about environmentalism

    they're not part of the Green movement in that sense tbf, I was just using it as shorthand

    they're a bunch of dreamers and visionaries, but pretty serious for all that. Sustainability is their big thing for sure, but they have worked out a full political program and have opinions on other stuff too

    I like dreamers in politics. There are enough parties filled with serious-face polisci or economics graduates already

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    http://www.nrk.no/rogaland/tunnelsprenging-far-hus-pa-valand-til-a-skjelva-1.12416921

    Video of the construction of a undersea tunnel connecting Stavanger to outlying islands.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Exciting stuff.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    jakobagger wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    jakobagger wrote: »
    on the brightish side the new party Alternativet got in

    kind of a hippyish Green party but without the general leftism so that non-socialists can vote for the environment for a change. Also very open to new ideas and committed to a positive debate culture instead of mud flinging and sophistry (not red enough for my taste though!). Hopefully they can at least shake things up.

    so there are 9 parties in parliament now, plus the 4 seats from Greenland and the Faroes that is 3 or maybe 4 seats

    bright and bright. How serious are they?

    I have a strong dislike of our Greens. Bunch of morons. Not a single-issue or single-interest party, but I guess single-cause. There's so many votings in the Storting where they've just gone "no opinioooon!" and done a no-show.

    Since, like

    most things are not about environmentalism

    they're not part of the Green movement in that sense tbf, I was just using it as shorthand

    they're a bunch of dreamers and visionaries, but pretty serious for all that. Sustainability is their big thing for sure, but they have worked out a full political program and have opinions on other stuff too

    I like dreamers in politics. There are enough parties filled with serious-face polisci or economics graduates already

    Eh, I'm not such a big fan. Politics is boring stuff. Important stuff usually is.

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    HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    Hello.
    I watched Big Hero 6 yesterday. I was very satisfied with my care.

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    LOL.

    I am getting e-mails for big petitions on change dot org.

    One of them is about a dog meat festival.

    Apparently some assholes in Toronto think it's cruel for chinese people to eat dog meat during a festival.

    So, of course, we need to stop them and outlaw the practice of eating meat from cute animals, right?
    I don't think having and acting upon a strong cultural aversion to eating dogs makes someone an asshole.

    I think acting upon it is pretty asshole-y

    reconize that it's just your own little cultural thing and nothing more. Don't eat dogs all you want, don't go around saying that other people shouldn't like you actually have a good reason

    I disagree with this one two counts, the first being I don't accept cultural relativism in a general sense, nor do I believe that most people are cultural relativists. So, you are expecting people to behave differently than they are predisposed to believe and secondly arguing for cultural relativism, which I reject anyway.

    Secondly, I don't think that acting upon your beliefs has anything to do with being an asshole, as that is what beliefs are for. The fact that the homophobe acts upon their belief isn't the problem, it is that their anti-homosexual beliefs inspire them to act in unfortunate ways.

    As for not having any good reasons, I don't really agree with that, either.

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    LOL.

    I am getting e-mails for big petitions on change dot org.

    One of them is about a dog meat festival.

    Apparently some assholes in Toronto think it's cruel for chinese people to eat dog meat during a festival.

    So, of course, we need to stop them and outlaw the practice of eating meat from cute animals, right?
    I don't think having and acting upon a strong cultural aversion to eating dogs makes someone an asshole.

    Like Abdhy said, it's not that they don't eat dogs, it's that they think no one ever should be allowed to eat dog ever in the world that makes them assholes. I wouldn't eat dog either, but I won't pretend this makes me morally superior to the Chinese or whoever else eats dog meat. It's like the cultural taboo on eating horse. It's a bit assholish to say "this animal is cute, someone who eats it should go to jail for it. "

    I'm okay with outlawing live skinning, tho. That's not okay.

    I'm pretty comfortable with saying that people shouldn't be able to eat dogs or cats or pigs or whales or any number of creatures that I think are above a certain degree of intelligence and capacity for suffering, ever. Furthermore, I would happily act in favour of such measures.

    I reject the idea that this makes me an asshole without further explication.

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    HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    One of the biggest German PC-games sites is currently lamenting the death of crowdfunding thanks to the stunt Sony just pulled. They might be right if other publishers jump onto the wagon (and really, why shouldn't they?).

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    LOL.

    I am getting e-mails for big petitions on change dot org.

    One of them is about a dog meat festival.

    Apparently some assholes in Toronto think it's cruel for chinese people to eat dog meat during a festival.

    So, of course, we need to stop them and outlaw the practice of eating meat from cute animals, right?
    I don't think having and acting upon a strong cultural aversion to eating dogs makes someone an asshole.

    I think acting upon it is pretty asshole-y

    reconize that it's just your own little cultural thing and nothing more. Don't eat dogs all you want, don't go around saying that other people shouldn't like you actually have a good reason

    I disagree with this one two counts, the first being I don't accept cultural relativism in a general sense, nor do I believe that most people are cultural relativists. So, you are expecting people to behave differently than they are predisposed to believe and secondly arguing for cultural relativism, which I reject anyway.

    Secondly, I don't think that acting upon your beliefs has anything to do with being an asshole, as that is what beliefs are for. The fact that the homophobe acts upon their belief isn't the problem, it is that their anti-homosexual beliefs inspire them to act in unfortunate ways.

    As for not having any good reasons, I don't really agree with that, either.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to demand a certain level of self-understanding* and being able to evaluate ones own views from people

    basically, one should be able to see that you don't have great reasoning behind your every belief, so maybe not be so bastant about it.

    That dogs specifically out of all the animals should not be eaten is one of those. Are there any arguments in favour?


    *awkward translations, ho

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    it's not cultural relativism to think that people should let other people eat dogs or pigs in peace

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    I was talking in banning eating dogs due to a cultural aversion, even for people who do not share that culture. Mainly because it's arbitrary and one should be able to see that.

    Now talking about levels of intelligence, on the other hand, makes it anything but.

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    bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    Haphazard wrote: »
    One of the biggest German PC-games sites is currently lamenting the death of crowdfunding thanks to the stunt Sony just pulled. They might be right if other publishers jump onto the wagon (and really, why shouldn't they?).

    Crowdfunding wont die, Shenmue was a special case.

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    HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    Eating dogs is banned over here, too. We didn't need any foreigners for that to happen, though.

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    yessssss Space Engineers is getting planets, maybe next week, and they're huge

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    from the surface
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    the 1000 m/s mod will be necessary because taking 20 minutes to get from "planet fills your whole view" to getting to the surface might be a bit much

    Can you kick up extinction-event dust clouds by crashing massive space ships onto planets.

    I made a game! Hotline Maui. Requires mouse and keyboard.
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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Haphazard wrote: »
    Eating dogs is banned over here, too. We didn't need any foreigners for that to happen, though.

    A law I will thoroughly roll my eyes at until eating pigs and crows are banned with the same arguments applied.

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    HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    Haphazard wrote: »
    One of the biggest German PC-games sites is currently lamenting the death of crowdfunding thanks to the stunt Sony just pulled. They might be right if other publishers jump onto the wagon (and really, why shouldn't they?).

    Crowdfunding wont die, Shenmue was a special case.

    Special as a deathknell?
    It certainly doesn't help if a publisher uses crowdfunding as a marketing tool.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    kedinik wrote: »
    yessssss Space Engineers is getting planets, maybe next week, and they're huge

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    from the surface
    l6lOAULl.jpg

    the 1000 m/s mod will be necessary because taking 20 minutes to get from "planet fills your whole view" to getting to the surface might be a bit much

    Can you kick up extinction-event dust clouds by crashing massive space ships onto planets.

    The meteor that killed the dinosaurs was 10 km wide.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    that's a lot of blocks

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    HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Haphazard wrote: »
    Eating dogs is banned over here, too. We didn't need any foreigners for that to happen, though.

    A law I will thoroughly roll my eyes at until eating pigs and crows are banned with the same arguments applied.

    I won't. Arbitrary classification seems to be one of the binding ingredients of civilisation.

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    Ban all of the meat-eating.

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    simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    It's well known that Australia and Japan (as broader theoretical concepts) have clashed with one another over the issue of whaling

    I've had three main encounters with this in my experiences living there

    The first time, I was with my friend in Osaka, and we were looking for a place to eat dinner; we walked by a sushi restaurant and after looking at the menu, she said no, and we kept walking - I asked why, later, and she replied, "Ah, that restaurant served... whale," and looked at me, almost embarassed

    The second time I was having drinks with a group of teachers and a coworker leans over to me, and says, "Simon-san, I grew up eating whale - do you hate me?"

    The third time, I was having dinner with coworkers and a dish that looked like raw beef was passed around, so I grabbed a piece and ate it - my friend leaned in and said, "Simon, you know that was kujira, right?"

    I paused, mid-chew, shrugged my shoulders, and finished eating it

    It was alright

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    that's a lot of blocks

    some quick math says about 33.5 million.

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