Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
To be fair,
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
John Wayne Gacy
John Wilkes Booth
Mark David Chapman
to be fair, this completely misses the point
That as early as '92 a majority of people didn't even remember who Malcolm X was and that I doubt that's improved since then?
I don't even think I ever heard him mentioned in any history classes all through college, even.
Feels real tenuous.
I... really?
No american history classes even mentioned the leaders of the Civil Rights movement? It's both pretty recent and incredibly important in the context of today's modern political landscape.
I can't remember if mine talked about Malcolm X in any detail. He was in the textbook but I don't think we covered him in class.
Martin Luther King is ubiquitous but I don't think X and Nation of Islam are universally covered at the high school level, probably because NoI is a lot more complex than the MLK story and X has a more contentious legacy
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I can't remember if he was mentioned in school or learned elsewhere but dang it I know who Malcolm X was and it's not even my country's history
Anyone who was around in the 90s knows who Malcolm X is. He had a major revival in the '92, with a high profile film about him starring Denzel Washington and the iconic "X" hats and T-shirts showing up all over the place.
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We definitely covered the civil rights movement in middle school and high school but Malcolm X was not presented in a very positive light especially compared to MLK
the study of american history in u.s. secondary schools tends to stop at the point history becomes openly politicized; usually they get to WW2 and then a hagiographic version of the civil rights movement (essentially just MLK and the march on washington.)
the vietnam war and forward is not really taught prior to undergraduate, essentially because we're still arguing about it in contemporary political culture and it makes people uncomfortable
it was the smallest on the list but
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we'd go all the way up to the 50's in excrutiating detail
then kind of cough for a second and go right into vietnam
then watergate, and maybe like, a day about the eighties and a paragraph about the nineties.
rinse, repeat.
then, i got to high school where i could choose my classes and it was all english/literature classes all the time.
gonna read a book, not memorize a date
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As a certified history teacher we definitely teach Malcom X now.
This is from the current state social studies standards.
SS 12.4.2.a (US) Analyze and evaluate the impact of people, events, ideas, and symbols, including various cultures and ethnic groups, on history in the United States (e.g., unique nature of the creation and organization of the American Government, the United States as an exceptional nation based upon personal freedom, the inherent nature of citizens' rights, and democratic ideals; Progressive Era: Teddy Roosevelt, The Jungle, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, suffrage; World War I: Woodrow Wilson, League of Nations, Harlem Renaissance, Jazz, Prohibition, The Depression: Franklin Delano Roosevelt; World War II: Dwight Eisenhower, internment camps, Holocaust; Cold War: Marshall Plan, John F. Kennedy, Eleanor Roosevelt, Korea, Vietnam, Ronald Reagan; Civil Rights Era: Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolm X, NAACP, AIM, Cesar Chavez, Supreme Court decisions such as Brown v. Board of Education, key legislation; Contemporary United States: patriotism, Watergate, Sandra Day O'Connor, Clarence Thomas, fall of the Berlin Wall, Colin Powell, 9/11, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates)
The part in parentheses are simply examples of the topics covered.
MLK is not covered very well in textbooks or in popular culture
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I've started watching the Boondocks with SilverWind recently because I really loved the show when it first aired
It's aged in some ways, as comedy often ages, but in other ways it's held up really well, and remains relevant in spite of how much some of the imagery had become outdated in the past ten years
Can't help wondering what it would look like if it had been made today
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Man I just don't understand the robo bomb thing, when I heard the police chief talking about it he first said explosive and I figured oh it was probably some kind of flash or smoke thing (something not designed just to kill) and it went wrong like maybe the guy shot it or something
Then a line or two later he just says bomb and I'm just amazed that bomb carrying robot is a thing and I'm not sure what step robo-bomb is a logical progression from
EOD robots have a shaped charge to detonate suspicious packages, it sounds like that's what this was.
I mean, if it was a shaped charge it wasn't something I had experience with in my time working on these kinds of bots, but I guess there's a chance they're used in the States or were sold exclusively by other retailers? Though I never saw anything like that at trade shows; might be they're not sold in Canada.
As far as I know, they mostly use hydraulic guns that essentially shoot high-powered water bullets.
I'm going to reply to this one as its the most related, im still 2 pages back so apologies if this has already been mentioned.
I was following the live feed from home and the major concern at the time was that the suspect that was trapped int he El Centro Parking Garage has stated several times that not only had he planted bombs all over the area, but that he had a bomb on him.
As sad as the outcome was in regards to loss of life, it was probably the best response due to the perceived threat at the time.
Also the Garage is right there next to the college which still had people inside.
the study of american history in u.s. secondary schools tends to stop at the point history becomes openly politicized; usually they get to WW2 and then a hagiographic version of the civil rights movement (essentially just MLK and the march on washington.)
the vietnam war and forward is not really taught prior to undergraduate, essentially because we're still arguing about it in contemporary political culture and it makes people uncomfortable
there's some regional variance here
my high school US history class had a section on Vietnam, but still avoided really controversial stuff like My Lai and Nixon's treason and the fact that the gulf of Tonkin incident was fabricated by the Johnson administration
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I remember the impression I got of the civil rights movement in school was that it just silently disbanded after the civil rights act was signed because racism was fixed
I remember the impression I got of the civil rights movement in school was that it just silently disbanded after the civil rights act was signed because racism was fixed
I'm learning these last couple years that there's a whole lot of people on the internet who never got past that idea, leading to them assuming that anyone talking about racism these days is just "race-baiting" or "stirring the pot"
i didn't take any ap classes because i was in honors classes with the ap nerds and i just would not be able to handle being with those fuckers for the bulk of my day
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I mean the standards I posted are for basic 11th grade history not AP.
I checked and apparently Malcolm X is n the AP US History curriculum, but AP courses are advanced electives for fuckin nerds
AP US History was one of the best classes I ever had.
Shit, it was better than probably 80 percent of the classes I had to take in college.
My AP US History class was garbage, but then my school's entire history department was weak, and for some reason the worst teacher taught the AP class.
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I can't remember if mine talked about Malcolm X in any detail. He was in the textbook but I don't think we covered him in class.
Martin Luther King is ubiquitous but I don't think X and Nation of Islam are universally covered at the high school level, probably because NoI is a lot more complex than the MLK story and X has a more contentious legacy
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the vietnam war and forward is not really taught prior to undergraduate, essentially because we're still arguing about it in contemporary political culture and it makes people uncomfortable
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Man, my high school didn't even offer AP classes.
This comparison seems incredibly unfair to Martin Luther King, Jr.
Bad comparison
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yeah well my AP English class got to go on a three day field trip to the Ashland Shakespeare Festival, so
we'd go all the way up to the 50's in excrutiating detail
then kind of cough for a second and go right into vietnam
then watergate, and maybe like, a day about the eighties and a paragraph about the nineties.
rinse, repeat.
then, i got to high school where i could choose my classes and it was all english/literature classes all the time.
gonna read a book, not memorize a date
This is from the current state social studies standards.
The part in parentheses are simply examples of the topics covered.
Really? I've never heard about this.
The more you know.
I've started watching the Boondocks with SilverWind recently because I really loved the show when it first aired
It's aged in some ways, as comedy often ages, but in other ways it's held up really well, and remains relevant in spite of how much some of the imagery had become outdated in the past ten years
Can't help wondering what it would look like if it had been made today
I am pretty sure it's more a Nation thing than anything else.
it's also unfair to Malcolm X, since magneto was an actual terrorist depicted as murdering who knows how many people
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edit: dude's at least cookie dough tier
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I'm going to reply to this one as its the most related, im still 2 pages back so apologies if this has already been mentioned.
I was following the live feed from home and the major concern at the time was that the suspect that was trapped int he El Centro Parking Garage has stated several times that not only had he planted bombs all over the area, but that he had a bomb on him.
As sad as the outcome was in regards to loss of life, it was probably the best response due to the perceived threat at the time.
Also the Garage is right there next to the college which still had people inside.
the FBI had nothing to do with MLKjr's assassination, that is a myth
not from numerous sources I've read
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there's some regional variance here
my high school US history class had a section on Vietnam, but still avoided really controversial stuff like My Lai and Nixon's treason and the fact that the gulf of Tonkin incident was fabricated by the Johnson administration
Jesus, Dubh, are you kidding me here?
Pretty sure this scene is from an episode talking about what MLK would do if he were alive today, funnily enough.
I'm learning these last couple years that there's a whole lot of people on the internet who never got past that idea, leading to them assuming that anyone talking about racism these days is just "race-baiting" or "stirring the pot"
I have serious doubt that you've read anything that refers to any source other than Lloyd Jowers
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AP US History was one of the best classes I ever had.
Shit, it was better than probably 80 percent of the classes I had to take in college.
Wherein I learned mostly about Egypt because the teacher really liked Egypt.
Which I'm pretty okay with. I'd learned nothing about it up to that point so it was all amazing, shiny and new.
nope
do I feel like arguing about it?
nope
could I possibly be wrong?
always
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