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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Basically if you live in California and you hear of a bomb going off but it's far enough away that it doesn't kill you your only option is to get the fuck out of California.

    Yeah, that's not really limited to California. And places where that isn't an issue often have other things that make surviving there harder. Imagine how many people outside of Phoenix will die if there is no longer power to their AC and water delivery ends.

    nuclear winter means you might actually want to be that far south

    and have super insulated everything besides

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

    yeah when they start costing less than $500,000 a unit, goodbye warehouse employees

    shit, if they just cost 500k/10yr combining maintenance and downtime, with no risk of workers compensation, they will be a steal.

    warehouse employees don't cost $50k/yr here yet

    I'd say you get them down in the $300k range and it'll be over though

    yeah they do; benefits, overtime, only 1 shift a day, probably only 5-6 shifts a week, workers compensation, etc.

    dude i work in an actual warehouse

    i know how much workers here cost

    it's not $50k/yr

    workers compensation is hardly even a line item, people get hurt like once every couple years

    bennies don't add up? my work claims it spends $300-500 on our insurance monthly

    $12/hr * 40 * 52 = 24960

    our insurance is like $45/wk on average, so 45 * 52 = 2340

    we don't offer other benefits

    vacation is factored into 52 weeks of pay

    27300

    even if people work 45 hours a week, it's still only 12*47.5*52+2340 = 31980

    you could argue robots can work 24 hours, but we're not open and taking orders 24 hours a day and the work gets done by the end of the day every day, so there's no benefit to 24 hour robots

    it's a viable solution for like amazon and walmart, but not for normal sized businesses

    at least, not yet

    how do you have workers at 40 hours a week with no health insurance

    i don't, that's in there where i said "our insurance"

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    anyway i'm not saying this is impossible or anything like that

    i'm simply rebutting the claim that replacing an employee for $50k/yr is a steal

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I'm stealing a sailboat with a water filter. That should be able to last me a while.

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side

    robot employees require maintenance

    in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Delta has been playing around with using RFID for baggage handling. And they are claiming to get lost bag issues down to almost zero.

    Baggage handlers are the best argument for automating every job possible

  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    Six wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Why do unfunny vendors always try to make me laugh and also always call when I email asking for details they have to email?

    six is it a salesman or rep rule you have to call cause I just want an email. One guy yesterday called all three of my phones just to say he was emailing and then his email was slow

    I said ok email me and hung up

    It's probably some rule for inside sales. A real rep would just email you, but a real rep is also building a relationship with you. This guy wants you to agree to a meeting so he can move on.

    Anyone who won't leave you alone doesn't know what they're doing or is pushing something where that doesn't matter.

    OnTheLastCastle

    I have one vendor going so hard in the paint for our printer business but we have 25 months left on our 5 year lease. He claims he's done buyouts up to FOUR YEARS out... but every other company has told me 12-15 months is max.

    I finally agreed to let him meet with me again. He's been bugging me nonstop for years, I swear to god.

    I hate dealing with vendors. Luckily my company has no interest in purchasing really so I just do other things mostly!

    Those kind of people don't sound super fun to deal with.

    The ones that make it higher know what they;re doing and can be awesome. Or worse.

    I would be an excellent salesman because I am
    #1 fun
    #2 get to the point, I use few words and don't babble
    #3 know my shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit or learn it
    #4 listen

    hm maybe I should be an inside sales person after all. the devil doth tempt.

    #4 should be #1 and also #2.

    i was make clever joke to myself

  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    a
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

    yeah when they start costing less than $500,000 a unit, goodbye warehouse employees

    shit, if they just cost 500k/10yr combining maintenance and downtime, with no risk of workers compensation, they will be a steal.

    warehouse employees don't cost $50k/yr here yet

    I'd say you get them down in the $300k range and it'll be over though

    yeah they do; benefits, overtime, only 1 shift a day, probably only 5-6 shifts a week, workers compensation, etc.

    dude i work in an actual warehouse

    i know how much workers here cost

    it's not $50k/yr

    workers compensation is hardly even a line item, people get hurt like once every couple years

    bennies don't add up? my work claims it spends $300-500 on our insurance monthly

    $12/hr * 40 * 52 = 24960

    our insurance is like $45/wk on average, so 45 * 52 = 2340

    we don't offer other benefits

    vacation is factored into 52 weeks of pay

    27300

    even if people work 45 hours a week, it's still only 12*47.5*52+2340 = 31980

    you could argue robots can work 24 hours, but we're not open and taking orders 24 hours a day and the work gets done by the end of the day every day, so there's no benefit to 24 hour robots

    it's a viable solution for like amazon and walmart, but not for normal sized businesses

    at least, not yet

    how do you have workers at 40 hours a week with no health insurance

    i don't, that's in there where i said "our insurance"

    oh I thought that was liability

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    anyway i'm not saying this is impossible or anything like that

    i'm simply rebutting the claim that replacing an employee for $50k/yr is a steal

    fair enough.

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I'm stealing a sailboat with a water filter. That should be able to last me a while.

    You haven't watched Fear The Walking Dead.

    That plan will fail.

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    But sales is almost always morally wrong

    I mean it doesn't have to be. I worked at best buy and would gladly recommend cheap chrome books and such to people instead of expensive macbooks or tablets or whatever when all they wanted was web surfing.

    Ideally sales is figuring out the best product to fit a person's needs when they aren't sure what products are available. The people who want to sell the 80 year old woman a MacBook when she literally only uses Facebook are pretty terrible though.

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    a
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

    yeah when they start costing less than $500,000 a unit, goodbye warehouse employees

    shit, if they just cost 500k/10yr combining maintenance and downtime, with no risk of workers compensation, they will be a steal.

    warehouse employees don't cost $50k/yr here yet

    I'd say you get them down in the $300k range and it'll be over though

    yeah they do; benefits, overtime, only 1 shift a day, probably only 5-6 shifts a week, workers compensation, etc.

    dude i work in an actual warehouse

    i know how much workers here cost

    it's not $50k/yr

    workers compensation is hardly even a line item, people get hurt like once every couple years

    bennies don't add up? my work claims it spends $300-500 on our insurance monthly

    $12/hr * 40 * 52 = 24960

    our insurance is like $45/wk on average, so 45 * 52 = 2340

    we don't offer other benefits

    vacation is factored into 52 weeks of pay

    27300

    even if people work 45 hours a week, it's still only 12*47.5*52+2340 = 31980

    you could argue robots can work 24 hours, but we're not open and taking orders 24 hours a day and the work gets done by the end of the day every day, so there's no benefit to 24 hour robots

    it's a viable solution for like amazon and walmart, but not for normal sized businesses

    at least, not yet

    how do you have workers at 40 hours a week with no health insurance

    i don't, that's in there where i said "our insurance"

    oh I thought that was liability

    you are

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    Six wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Why do unfunny vendors always try to make me laugh and also always call when I email asking for details they have to email?

    six is it a salesman or rep rule you have to call cause I just want an email. One guy yesterday called all three of my phones just to say he was emailing and then his email was slow

    I said ok email me and hung up

    It's probably some rule for inside sales. A real rep would just email you, but a real rep is also building a relationship with you. This guy wants you to agree to a meeting so he can move on.

    Anyone who won't leave you alone doesn't know what they're doing or is pushing something where that doesn't matter.

    OnTheLastCastle

    I have one vendor going so hard in the paint for our printer business but we have 25 months left on our 5 year lease. He claims he's done buyouts up to FOUR YEARS out... but every other company has told me 12-15 months is max.

    I finally agreed to let him meet with me again. He's been bugging me nonstop for years, I swear to god.

    I hate dealing with vendors. Luckily my company has no interest in purchasing really so I just do other things mostly!

    Those kind of people don't sound super fun to deal with.

    The ones that make it higher know what they;re doing and can be awesome. Or worse.

    I would be an excellent salesman because I am
    #1 fun
    #2 get to the point, I use few words and don't babble
    #3 know my shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit or learn it
    #4 listen

    hm maybe I should be an inside sales person after all. the devil doth tempt.

    #4 should be #1 and also #2.

    i was make clever joke to myself

    That's what I was doing too

    hi5

    can you feel the struggle within?
  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    heh, your insurance is an order of magnitude less than my family plan

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee

    how much does it cost to train your employees?

    do you keep training them? What about if they leave, do you train new workers?

    What about insurance in case they break things or cost the company money?

    What about heating/cooling your warehouse or toilet facilities, etc?

    Those are things you absolutely do not have to think about with robot workers, but they are a a cost that is not salary.

    you guys act like this isn't literally part of what i do

    It wasn't part of your calculations, though.

    I'm not acting like it's not part of what you do, just that managers and executives completely brainfart around this stuff sometimes because it's not a number on a balance sheet, it's not part of payrolls, but it's a cost to having a human workforce.

    You probably, as a manager of warehouse workers, do not think about liability or toiletries, but it's a huge cost. Think of how much toilet paper people like AH go through when they eat gas station food. Now imagine that's the entirety of your workforce doing that because they don't have good health insurance and have shitty pay and benefits.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Our current interstate system is not designed to handle 150mph traffic.
    Why?

  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    Our current interstate system is not designed to handle 150mph traffic.

    Not with that attitude

    can you feel the struggle within?
  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee

    how much does it cost to train your employees?

    do you keep training them? What about if they leave, do you train new workers?

    What about insurance in case they break things or cost the company money?

    What about heating/cooling your warehouse or toilet facilities, etc?

    Those are things you absolutely do not have to think about with robot workers, but they are a a cost that is not salary.

    robots are actually incredibly sensitive to temperature variation -- heating and cooling means parts with tight tolerances moving out of alignment

    also you'd still want to carry insurance on them in case of fire, theft, earthquake etc

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

    yeah when they start costing less than $500,000 a unit, goodbye warehouse employees

    shit, if they just cost 500k/10yr combining maintenance and downtime, with no risk of workers compensation, they will be a steal.

    warehouse employees don't cost $50k/yr here yet

    I'd say you get them down in the $300k range and it'll be over though

    yeah they do; benefits, overtime, only 1 shift a day, probably only 5-6 shifts a week, workers compensation, etc.

    dude i work in an actual warehouse

    i know how much workers here cost

    it's not $50k/yr

    workers compensation is hardly even a line item, people get hurt like once every couple years

    bennies don't add up? my work claims it spends $300-500 on our insurance monthly

    $12/hr * 40 * 52 = 24960

    our insurance is like $45/wk on average, so 45 * 52 = 2340

    we don't offer other benefits

    vacation is factored into 52 weeks of pay

    27300

    even if people work 45 hours a week, it's still only 12*47.5*52+2340 = 31980

    you could argue robots can work 24 hours, but we're not open and taking orders 24 hours a day and the work gets done by the end of the day every day, so there's no benefit to 24 hour robots

    it's a viable solution for like amazon and walmart, but not for normal sized businesses

    at least, not yet

    Errr, the robots can run lights out. Unless you pack every order that comes in that business day they'll have shit to do overnight when you don't have anybody there. That sort of running is automation's bread and butter and a huge way it justifies it's capital costs.

    If you have like a really hard peak flow that doesn't leave any backlog I can see humans being more scalable, though you've got to get those part time workers who are happy with 4 hour shifts or whatever.

    Nod. Get treat. PSN: Quippish
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee

    how much does it cost to train your employees?

    do you keep training them? What about if they leave, do you train new workers?

    What about insurance in case they break things or cost the company money?

    What about heating/cooling your warehouse or toilet facilities, etc?

    Those are things you absolutely do not have to think about with robot workers, but they are a a cost that is not salary.

    you guys act like this isn't literally part of what i do

    It wasn't part of your calculations, though.

    I'm not acting like it's not part of what you do, just that managers and executives completely brainfart around this stuff sometimes because it's not a number on a balance sheet, it's not part of payrolls, but it's a cost to having a human workforce.

    You probably, as a manager of warehouse workers, do not think about liability or toiletries, but it's a huge cost. Think of how much toilet paper people like AH go through when they eat gas station food. Now imagine that's the entirety of your workforce doing that because they don't have good health insurance and have shitty pay and benefits.

    dude some of these guys don't even flush much less wipe

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side

    robot employees require maintenance

    in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance

    um get a Roomba for the dust and a maintenance robot duh

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    heh, your insurance is an order of magnitude less than my family plan

    Well maybe if you weren't so keen on family planning being "have sex and lots of kids" it would be cheaper Shark!

    Did you ever think of that!?

    When you were doing it?

    DID YOU!?

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    I'm just interested in the discussion chanus so let's list out the costs of each side so I don't have to work OK

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    heh, your insurance is an order of magnitude less than my family plan

    family plans are insane

    even spousal insurance is insane

    though mostly because your employer only covers the 50% of your benefit and not the rest of your family's

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee

    how much does it cost to train your employees?

    do you keep training them? What about if they leave, do you train new workers?

    What about insurance in case they break things or cost the company money?

    What about heating/cooling your warehouse or toilet facilities, etc?

    Those are things you absolutely do not have to think about with robot workers, but they are a a cost that is not salary.

    robots are actually incredibly sensitive to temperature variation -- heating and cooling means parts with tight tolerances moving out of alignment

    also you'd still want to carry insurance on them in case of fire, theft, earthquake etc

    those sneaky robot thieves mirite

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee

    how much does it cost to train your employees?

    do you keep training them? What about if they leave, do you train new workers?

    What about insurance in case they break things or cost the company money?

    What about heating/cooling your warehouse or toilet facilities, etc?

    Those are things you absolutely do not have to think about with robot workers, but they are a a cost that is not salary.

    you guys act like this isn't literally part of what i do

    Listen, chanus

    First imagine a warehouse

    It's a big high-ceilinged building with shelves of products and wrapped pallets everywhere, okay

  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    heh, your insurance is an order of magnitude less than my family plan

    Well maybe if you weren't so keen on family planning being "have sex and lots of kids" it would be cheaper Shark!

    Did you ever think of that!?

    When you were doing it?

    DID YOU!?

    I can state with 100% confidence that I did not think about that while doing it

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    My friend who works in a warehouse tipped and spilled a shipment of dialysis fluid. That was probably expensive for the company.

    I wonder if it had any consequences at the hospitals. It's not impossible. They once thought that I was allergic to morphine and when I was in the hospital I got ketogan as a substitute, but then one truck had tipped which meant that they ran out of ketogan for several weeks and I got some third grade bullshit painkiller that didn't work instead.

    PSN: Honkalot
  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    Just make robots to fix robots and also have a robot hr department and robot payroll.

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee

    how much does it cost to train your employees?

    do you keep training them? What about if they leave, do you train new workers?

    What about insurance in case they break things or cost the company money?

    What about heating/cooling your warehouse or toilet facilities, etc?

    Those are things you absolutely do not have to think about with robot workers, but they are a a cost that is not salary.

    robots are actually incredibly sensitive to temperature variation -- heating and cooling means parts with tight tolerances moving out of alignment

    also you'd still want to carry insurance on them in case of fire, theft, earthquake etc

    those sneaky robot thieves mirite

    copper wire is copper wire

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    I'm assuming that 50k/yr/10yr cost was including maintenance/upkeep/etc.

    Or was that just the "cost of plopping this down" sort of thing?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    add in payroll taxes as well i suppose, maybe another $5k

    but we're not approaching $50k/employee

    how much does it cost to train your employees?

    do you keep training them? What about if they leave, do you train new workers?

    What about insurance in case they break things or cost the company money?

    What about heating/cooling your warehouse or toilet facilities, etc?

    Those are things you absolutely do not have to think about with robot workers, but they are a a cost that is not salary.

    robots are actually incredibly sensitive to temperature variation -- heating and cooling means parts with tight tolerances moving out of alignment

    also you'd still want to carry insurance on them in case of fire, theft, earthquake etc

    those sneaky robot thieves mirite

    I've already got spray paint and gold chains

    I'm going to rescue a robot from Chanus' warehouse and teach it how to be "swag" like in Chappie

  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Or was that just the "cost of plopping this down" sort of thing?

    Is this how you categorize your insane TP spend?

    can you feel the struggle within?
  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    also if Futurama taught us anything, it's that the robots are the thieves

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    I'm assuming that 50k/yr/10yr cost was including maintenance/upkeep/etc.

    Or was that just the "cost of plopping this down" sort of thing?

    my initial statement was (paraphrasing) "once they start getting below $500k per unit, you'll start seeing an effect"

    i guess that could have been interpreted as plus maintenance but that's not what i was meaning to say

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    and you're all doing the thing where you line item every aspect of one side and only consider the initial purchase cost of the other side

    robot employees require maintenance

    in a dusty warehouse, probably constant maintenance

    Dang, I have relevant experience here. We bought a waterjet table a couple years ago. It was $120k. It's incredible, you tell it piece shape, size, number, whatever, it cuts a 16x24 sheet of product into amazing designs. Push button, get cut pastries.

    Until someone hits the USB port where you upload programs and snaps it off. Custom piece. $85. 3 days downtime.

    Or one of the stepper motors goes bad. Also custom. $750. 4 days from Spain.

    The water filter has to be replaced monthly. $60.

    Someone dropped a stack of pans on one of the cutting surfaces, it's a removable metal frame with very thin blades crisscrossing. $600.

    The nozzles for it are $40 apiece. They last about 10 hours.

    At 1000 hours, the pump requires a full rebuild. $10,000 in parts and labor to have someone do that.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    I DO use a lot of toilet paper.

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Honk wrote: »
    My friend who works in a warehouse tipped and spilled a shipment of dialysis fluid. That was probably expensive for the company.

    I wonder if it had any consequences at the hospitals. It's not impossible. They once thought that I was allergic to morphine and when I was in the hospital I got ketogan as a substitute, but then one truck had tipped which meant that they ran out of ketogan for several weeks and I got some third grade bullshit painkiller that didn't work instead.

    AFAIK dialysis fluid is cheap, but, hospitals charge an arm and a leg for pretty much all aspects of a concentrate/dialyzer so they get paid fairly for treating patients. Like a bag of saline is maybe $5 a pop, but you'll get charged a few hundred for it.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Six wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Why do unfunny vendors always try to make me laugh and also always call when I email asking for details they have to email?

    @six is it a salesman or rep rule you have to call cause I just want an email. One guy yesterday called all three of my phones just to say he was emailing and then his email was slow

    I said ok email me and hung up

    It's probably some rule for inside sales. A real rep would just email you, but a real rep is also building a relationship with you. This guy wants you to agree to a meeting so he can move on.

    Anyone who won't leave you alone doesn't know what they're doing or is pushing something where that doesn't matter.

    @OnTheLastCastle

    I have one vendor going so hard in the paint for our printer business but we have 25 months left on our 5 year lease. He claims he's done buyouts up to FOUR YEARS out... but every other company has told me 12-15 months is max.

    I finally agreed to let him meet with me again. He's been bugging me nonstop for years, I swear to god.

    I hate dealing with vendors. Luckily my company has no interest in purchasing really so I just do other things mostly!

    Those kind of people don't sound super fun to deal with.

    The ones that make it higher know what they;re doing and can be awesome. Or worse.

    I would be an excellent salesman because I am
    #1 fun
    #2 get to the point, I use few words and don't babble
    #3 know my shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit or learn it
    #4 listen

    hm maybe I should be an inside sales person after all. the devil doth tempt.

    #4 should be #1 and also #2.

    When I did sales a lot of what I did was more of a consultative role. Lots of listening, asking questions for clarification rather than assuming and so on. But I also only did very long sales cycle stuff. If my stuff closed in six months then I'd be worried things were rushed.

  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    Chanus, robots may not make sense to replace employees in your particular shop right now.

    But the shops where it does make sense are going to be positioned to price you out of business.

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