At $10 per square foot, the plexiglass alone would cost $1.6 billion
To be fair, he said "maybe a steel wall with openings"
Which would probably cost even more!
To be unfair, I'm now imagining him approving a wall opening design you can just pass the drugs through.
I dunno if the correct solution to people throwing drugs OVER your wall is to make it so they can pass drugs THROUGH the wall. I mean, it is equivalent to what is contextually the right solution, which is NO wall, but dear God, there are SO MANY LAYERS OF STUPID HERE.
At $10 per square foot, the plexiglass alone would cost $1.6 billion
To be fair, he said "maybe a steel wall with openings"
Which would probably cost even more!
To be unfair, I'm now imagining him approving a wall opening design you can just pass the drugs through.
I dunno if the correct solution to people throwing drugs OVER your wall is to make it so they can pass drugs THROUGH the wall. I mean, it is equivalent to what is contextually the right solution, which is NO wall, but dear God, there are SO MANY LAYERS OF STUPID HERE.
He only said "transparent". That doesn't mean anyone is going to be able to get anything through the wall
The Trump admin is probably developing invisible bricks as we speak
So illegal immigration is a problem the wall is intended to solve but drug smuggling is not. Good to know where I can set my expectations.
Is there something lower than absolute zero?
“Jeff Sessions is going to say, ‘Deport them,’ ” a visibly shaken Rep. Luis V. Gutiérrez (D-Ill.) said in English and Spanish, noting that the attorney general had been a fierce opponent of illegal immigration as a senator from Alabama. “If you’re going to count on Jeff Sessions to save DACA, then DACA is ended.”
i know this isn't the Russia thread, but it's relevant: Jeff Sessions is NECK DEEP in Russia horseshit. he should be NOWHERE NEAR the AGs office, and yet here we are.
i think i'm going to need one of those mouth protectors, because i have been grinding my teeth a lot lately
At $10 per square foot, the plexiglass alone would cost $1.6 billion
How much are we looking at? Cause I have a feeling that it'd be more expensive than $10 per square foot. Couldn't find a pricing myself. There'd also need to be some bracing/framing involved (as it appears it's made only as big as 18"x36"), but that, the labor and installation cost and some 2000 miles of anti-climbing tech on top, is not important right now. Given the commercial size, and knitdan's math, we'll need 35 million panels. Do you think Surmet Corp will take an IOU until Mexico pays?
At $10 per square foot, the plexiglass alone would cost $1.6 billion
How much are we looking at? Cause I have a feeling that it'd be more expensive than $10 per square foot. Couldn't find a pricing myself. There'd also need to be some bracing/framing involved (as it appears it's made only as big as 18"x36"), but that, the labor and installation cost and some 2000 miles of anti-climbing tech on top, is not important right now. Given the commercial size, and knitdan's math, we'll need 35 million panels. Do you think Surmet Corp will take an IOU until Mexico pays?
At $10 per square foot, the plexiglass alone would cost $1.6 billion
How much are we looking at? Cause I have a feeling that it'd be more expensive than $10 per square foot. Couldn't find a pricing myself. There'd also need to be some bracing/framing involved (as it appears it's made only as big as 18"x36"), but that, the labor and installation cost and some 2000 miles of anti-climbing tech on top, is not important right now. Given the commercial size, and knitdan's math, we'll need 35 million panels. Do you think Surmet Corp will take an IOU until Mexico pays?
$10-15 / sqin apparently. So a paltry 226 billion
Look, do you want a wall made out of sapphires or not?
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If by sapphires you mean "half-assedly spraypaints some foam blue" then sure. The Wall is meant to be the ultimate graft machine, which would probably end up costing $20 billion/mile while being made of such shoddy materials tossed together that it starts to fall over immediately after the photo-shoots are done. Probably wouldn't even need to tunnel underneath it, just quickly dig a hole through it.
If by sapphires you mean "half-assedly spraypaints some foam blue" then sure. The Wall is meant to be the ultimate graft machine, which would probably end up costing $20 billion/mile while being made of such shoddy materials tossed together that it starts to fall over immediately after the photo-shoots are done. Probably wouldn't even need to tunnel underneath it, just quickly dig a hole through it.
Or just bribe some of the many underpaid guards. Honestly the most effective barrier to illegal immigration is what a rubbish president Trump is. It's really discouraging people from wanting to come here. So Trumps wall is actually made of incompetence and hate.
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i want to get beaned by a huge bag of drugs
down with the trump wall
also i was unsure if that trump comment was a meme or not but nope, he has transcended us all
If by sapphires you mean "half-assedly spraypaints some foam blue" then sure. The Wall is meant to be the ultimate graft machine, which would probably end up costing $20 billion/mile while being made of such shoddy materials tossed together that it starts to fall over immediately after the photo-shoots are done. Probably wouldn't even need to tunnel underneath it, just quickly dig a hole through it.
Or just bribe some of the many underpaid guards. Honestly the most effective barrier to illegal immigration is what a rubbish president Trump is. It's really discouraging people from wanting to come here. So Trumps wall is actually made of incompetence and hate.
No-one wants to emigrate to somewhere that will hate them for their ethnicity. I imagine this is impacting legal immigration, too, especially from Muslim or Latin American countries. Not that Republican voters care - they'd like an immigration rate of zero (legal or illegal), ideally.
If by sapphires you mean "half-assedly spraypaints some foam blue" then sure. The Wall is meant to be the ultimate graft machine, which would probably end up costing $20 billion/mile while being made of such shoddy materials tossed together that it starts to fall over immediately after the photo-shoots are done. Probably wouldn't even need to tunnel underneath it, just quickly dig a hole through it.
Or just bribe some of the many underpaid guards. Honestly the most effective barrier to illegal immigration is what a rubbish president Trump is. It's really discouraging people from wanting to come here. So Trumps wall is actually made of incompetence and hate.
No-one wants to emigrate to somewhere that will hate them for their ethnicity. I imagine this is impacting legal immigration, too, especially from Muslim or Latin American countries. Not that Republican voters care - they'd like an immigration rate of zero (legal or illegal), ideally.
Never mind that immigration is how the United States avoids having as large a deficit in working-age people as some other countries... also, that immigrants moving to a smaller community is often all that keeps it afloat.
Supreme Court: Administration may enforce refugee ban, but must broaden family exemptions for travelers from six majority-Muslim countries
By Washington Post Staff July 19 at 1:25 PM
The justices allowed the refugee ban to be enforced for now, but said the Trump ban must allow broader exemptions for family members, including grandparents.
The justices in a short order refused the administration’s request that it stay a lower court’s decision that said the Trump administration had too severely interpreted the court’s decision last month about exempting those with close family relationships.
This is a developing story. It will be updated.
Oh hey! We partially allowed the executive branch some leeway on its clearly discriminatory policy because of the wide latitude of national security powers. But they took that leeway and ran away with it all the way back into unconstitutional territory! Who could have guessed?
I think I read this in a children's book once. If you give a mouse a cookie....
Supreme Court: Administration may enforce refugee ban, but must broaden family exemptions for travelers from six majority-Muslim countries
By Washington Post Staff July 19 at 1:25 PM
The justices allowed the refugee ban to be enforced for now, but said the Trump ban must allow broader exemptions for family members, including grandparents.
The justices in a short order refused the administration’s request that it stay a lower court’s decision that said the Trump administration had too severely interpreted the court’s decision last month about exempting those with close family relationships.
This is a developing story. It will be updated.
Oh hey! We partially allowed the executive branch some leeway on its clearly discriminatory policy because of the wide latitude of national security powers. But they took that leeway and ran away with it all the way back into unconstitutional territory! Who could have guessed?
I think I read this in a children's book once. If you give a mouse a cookie....
Oh hey, the SCOTUS decision was exactly as stupid as everyone thought it was from the second it dropped.
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I mean, the order itself made sense from a strictly legal perspective, and I'm sure SCOTUS knew they were immediately coming back to it.
I mean, the order itself made sense from a strictly legal perspective, and I'm sure SCOTUS knew they were immediately coming back to it.
This is the court that said “We now conclude that independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption.” It's certainly possible that they were oblivious to the ramifications.
I mean, the order itself made sense from a strictly legal perspective, and I'm sure SCOTUS knew they were immediately coming back to it.
This is the court that said “We now conclude that independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption.” It's certainly possible that they were oblivious to the ramifications.
The world makes a lot more sense when you realize "maybe they're idiots" answers a lot of questions.
This administration has really brought forward all the aspects of the US justice, legal, and administrative systems that were apparently all precariously based on "Well, no one's that evil!" and "We have checks and balances to stop that from happening!"
I mean, the order itself made sense from a strictly legal perspective, and I'm sure SCOTUS knew they were immediately coming back to it.
This is the court that said “We now conclude that independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption.” It's certainly possible that they were oblivious to the ramifications.
The world makes a lot more sense when you realize "maybe they're idiots" answers a lot of questions.
To be fair, I think Kennedy was the only one who actually believed it.
Pretty logical conclusion to, given that we have the one SCOTUS ruling that smacked down the Arizona tried to do federal immigration enforcement because they felt the feds weren't doing their job. Local and state police shouldn't be doing ICE's work. If they don't have cause to hold someone for their normal operations, then the person should be let go regardless of immigration status. If nativist shit birds don't like, well too fucking bad. In order for police departments to best serve the public good, those that are exploited, should feel like they can go to the police without fear of being fucked over. Undocumented workers are exploited by individuals that are likely people that need to be reported, but if we let shit heads on the right make them into immigration enforcement, there are a ton of criminal assholes that will get to break the law with impunity because those that can testify against them will be too afraid to step forward. Also IIRC correctly, there was a SCOTUS ruling on detainment like this and SCOTUS ruled that it wasn't constitutional, so there are a number of localities that refuse to hold people for 48 hours because they don't want to be liable for committing an unconstitutional act (ICE probably needs a purge and seeing who is familiar with what constitutional rights are applicable, might be one of the best metrics).
Honestly, we should have a setup where ICE is only notify of someone's legal status if that individual is arrested for a serious crime. We should also have a setup where if someone is a witness to an investigation, and aren't documented, then ICE has to leave them alone (aka when they decide to detain someone, they have to submit the individuals name to the appropriate agency for these matters, if the agency comes back and states this individual is a witness in an ongoing investigation or trial, then ICE has to step off until all matters are concluded). Absolutely stupid that ICE can fuck up things. Also kind of sad that some are such shitty bigots, that they feel it's more important to kick out an undocumented immigrant, even if that means creating a situation where a criminal gets to walk, but it's par for the course with that crowd (they don't really care about jobs, morality, crime or economics, they just care about if they get to shit all over people that aren't part of "their" group).
Pretty logical conclusion to, given that we have the one SCOTUS ruling that smacked down the Arizona tried to do federal immigration enforcement because they felt the feds weren't doing their job. Local and state police shouldn't be doing ICE's work. If they don't have cause to hold someone for their normal operations, then the person should be let go regardless of immigration status. If nativist shit birds don't like, well too fucking bad. In order for police departments to best serve the public good, those that are exploited, should feel like they can go to the police without fear of being fucked over. Undocumented workers are exploited by individuals that are likely people that need to be reported, but if we let shit heads on the right make them into immigration enforcement, there are a ton of criminal assholes that will get to break the law with impunity because those that can testify against them will be too afraid to step forward. Also IIRC correctly, there was a SCOTUS ruling on detainment like this and SCOTUS ruled that it wasn't constitutional, so there are a number of localities that refuse to hold people for 48 hours because they don't want to be liable for committing an unconstitutional act (ICE probably needs a purge and seeing who is familiar with what constitutional rights are applicable, might be one of the best metrics).
Honestly, we should have a setup where ICE is only notify of someone's legal status if that individual is arrested for a serious crime. We should also have a setup where if someone is a witness to an investigation, and aren't documented, then ICE has to leave them alone (aka when they decide to detain someone, they have to submit the individuals name to the appropriate agency for these matters, if the agency comes back and states this individual is a witness in an ongoing investigation or trial, then ICE has to step off until all matters are concluded). Absolutely stupid that ICE can fuck up things. Also kind of sad that some are such shitty bigots, that they feel it's more important to kick out an undocumented immigrant, even if that means creating a situation where a criminal gets to walk, but it's par for the course with that crowd (they don't really care about jobs, morality, crime or economics, they just care about if they get to shit all over people that aren't part of "their" group).
But what if, and bear with me here, the criminal that they're a witness to (or even victim of) is white?
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It should be noted, by the way, that very often these cases are ones taken by public defenders. They do important work.
Pretty logical conclusion to, given that we have the one SCOTUS ruling that smacked down the Arizona tried to do federal immigration enforcement because they felt the feds weren't doing their job. Local and state police shouldn't be doing ICE's work. If they don't have cause to hold someone for their normal operations, then the person should be let go regardless of immigration status. If nativist shit birds don't like, well too fucking bad. In order for police departments to best serve the public good, those that are exploited, should feel like they can go to the police without fear of being fucked over. Undocumented workers are exploited by individuals that are likely people that need to be reported, but if we let shit heads on the right make them into immigration enforcement, there are a ton of criminal assholes that will get to break the law with impunity because those that can testify against them will be too afraid to step forward. Also IIRC correctly, there was a SCOTUS ruling on detainment like this and SCOTUS ruled that it wasn't constitutional, so there are a number of localities that refuse to hold people for 48 hours because they don't want to be liable for committing an unconstitutional act (ICE probably needs a purge and seeing who is familiar with what constitutional rights are applicable, might be one of the best metrics).
Honestly, we should have a setup where ICE is only notify of someone's legal status if that individual is arrested for a serious crime. We should also have a setup where if someone is a witness to an investigation, and aren't documented, then ICE has to leave them alone (aka when they decide to detain someone, they have to submit the individuals name to the appropriate agency for these matters, if the agency comes back and states this individual is a witness in an ongoing investigation or trial, then ICE has to step off until all matters are concluded). Absolutely stupid that ICE can fuck up things. Also kind of sad that some are such shitty bigots, that they feel it's more important to kick out an undocumented immigrant, even if that means creating a situation where a criminal gets to walk, but it's par for the course with that crowd (they don't really care about jobs, morality, crime or economics, they just care about if they get to shit all over people that aren't part of "their" group).
Honestly, after reading this article from the Times The New Yorker (sorry, messed up the source there...), I'd rather we just clear out the entire agency and start over.
A British woman has said her honeymoon was ruined after she was held in detention for 26 hours by US border officials before being sent back to the UK.
Natasha Politakis said she and her husband, Ali Gul, were barred from entering the US after flying to Los Angeles to begin their £7,000 honeymoon.
She said the US embassy had since refused to say why she and Gul, who is of Turkish Muslim origin, were stopped by border guards in May.
A British woman has said her honeymoon was ruined after she was held in detention for 26 hours by US border officials before being sent back to the UK.
Natasha Politakis said she and her husband, Ali Gul, were barred from entering the US after flying to Los Angeles to begin their £7,000 honeymoon.
She said the US embassy had since refused to say why she and Gul, who is of Turkish Muslim origin, were stopped by border guards in May.
Three guesses as to why they were stopped, and the first two don't count.
Fuck these racist, xenophobic border control fucks.
A British woman has said her honeymoon was ruined after she was held in detention for 26 hours by US border officials before being sent back to the UK.
Natasha Politakis said she and her husband, Ali Gul, were barred from entering the US after flying to Los Angeles to begin their £7,000 honeymoon.
She said the US embassy had since refused to say why she and Gul, who is of Turkish Muslim origin, were stopped by border guards in May.
Three guesses as to why they were stopped, and the first two don't count.
Fuck these racist, xenophobic border control fucks.
Gosh, I hope this sort of thing doesn't hurt the US tourist industry. I'd certainly think twice about booking a vacation in the USA if I were of Middle-Eastern descent. I bet you don't get a refund if you are turned back at the border, either.
A British woman has said her honeymoon was ruined after she was held in detention for 26 hours by US border officials before being sent back to the UK.
Natasha Politakis said she and her husband, Ali Gul, were barred from entering the US after flying to Los Angeles to begin their £7,000 honeymoon.
She said the US embassy had since refused to say why she and Gul, who is of Turkish Muslim origin, were stopped by border guards in May.
Three guesses as to why they were stopped, and the first two don't count.
Fuck these racist, xenophobic border control fucks.
Gosh, I hope this sort of thing doesn't hurt the US tourist industry. I'd certainly think twice about booking a vacation in the USA if I were of Middle-Eastern descent. I bet you don't get a refund if you are turned back at the border, either.
Too late, that's already happening. I loathe to think what the tourist industry will look like a year from now.
A British woman has said her honeymoon was ruined after she was held in detention for 26 hours by US border officials before being sent back to the UK.
Natasha Politakis said she and her husband, Ali Gul, were barred from entering the US after flying to Los Angeles to begin their £7,000 honeymoon.
She said the US embassy had since refused to say why she and Gul, who is of Turkish Muslim origin, were stopped by border guards in May.
Three guesses as to why they were stopped, and the first two don't count.
Fuck these racist, xenophobic border control fucks.
Gosh, I hope this sort of thing doesn't hurt the US tourist industry. I'd certainly think twice about booking a vacation in the USA if I were of Middle-Eastern descent. I bet you don't get a refund if you are turned back at the border, either.
Working as intended, according to the GOP and/or ICE.
A British woman has said her honeymoon was ruined after she was held in detention for 26 hours by US border officials before being sent back to the UK.
Natasha Politakis said she and her husband, Ali Gul, were barred from entering the US after flying to Los Angeles to begin their £7,000 honeymoon.
She said the US embassy had since refused to say why she and Gul, who is of Turkish Muslim origin, were stopped by border guards in May.
Three guesses as to why they were stopped, and the first two don't count.
Fuck these racist, xenophobic border control fucks.
Gosh, I hope this sort of thing doesn't hurt the US tourist industry. I'd certainly think twice about booking a vacation in the USA if I were of Middle-Eastern descent. I bet you don't get a refund if you are turned back at the border, either.
Working as intended, according to the GOP and/or ICE.
"Brown people go stay home."
Which is one of the many ways racism is suicidal to a country. Turning away people who want nothing more than to throw money around and then go home is idiotic.
A British woman has said her honeymoon was ruined after she was held in detention for 26 hours by US border officials before being sent back to the UK.
Natasha Politakis said she and her husband, Ali Gul, were barred from entering the US after flying to Los Angeles to begin their £7,000 honeymoon.
She said the US embassy had since refused to say why she and Gul, who is of Turkish Muslim origin, were stopped by border guards in May.
The last line is the worst:
"They said it was down to applicants to prove they were eligible to enter the US."
He had a Visa. That's his eligibility to enter. What other proof does he need? He's traveling on a British passport. Last I checked the UK was not on the ban list.
And in the end they were not even told why they were detained and then sent home. That's crazy.
I know there's a security thing where they search the bags of every 3rd or 5th person as a means of deterring bad people, as they can't always search bags. But is this a "send every 3rd or 5th or 10th person home" as a means of deterrent?
A British woman has said her honeymoon was ruined after she was held in detention for 26 hours by US border officials before being sent back to the UK.
Natasha Politakis said she and her husband, Ali Gul, were barred from entering the US after flying to Los Angeles to begin their £7,000 honeymoon.
She said the US embassy had since refused to say why she and Gul, who is of Turkish Muslim origin, were stopped by border guards in May.
I know there's a security thing where they search the bags of every 3rd or 5th person as a means of deterring bad people, as they can't always search bags. But is this a "send every 3rd or 5th or 10th person home" as a means of deterrent?
Muslims often experience problems at the US border. Perhaps he had a name the same as someone on a watchlist, or looked a bit similar to them. It's just bigotry.
A British woman has said her honeymoon was ruined after she was held in detention for 26 hours by US border officials before being sent back to the UK.
Natasha Politakis said she and her husband, Ali Gul, were barred from entering the US after flying to Los Angeles to begin their £7,000 honeymoon.
She said the US embassy had since refused to say why she and Gul, who is of Turkish Muslim origin, were stopped by border guards in May.
The last line is the worst:
"They said it was down to applicants to prove they were eligible to enter the US."
He had a Visa. That's his eligibility to enter. What other proof does he need? He's traveling on a British passport. Last I checked the UK was not on the ban list.
And in the end they were not even told why they were detained and then sent home. That's crazy.
I know there's a security thing where they search the bags of every 3rd or 5th person as a means of deterring bad people, as they can't always search bags. But is this a "send every 3rd or 5th or 10th person home" as a means of deterrent?
Having a visa doesn't mean anything, legally speaking. It's too tiring to go through it all but while consulates can hand them it out to those who apply, it doesn't guarantee anything once you hit US soil. There's no contract, no law, nothing which states that the US has to let you enter even if you have all your paperwork and whatnot in line and ready for the customs agent.
It's quite likely that the person who turned them away decided to not like their face and decided to not let them enter. Custom agents have a large leeway when it comes to denying entry. Of course that leeway allows them all sorts of cover for their bigoted, racist, backwards reactions. It doesn't help things that ICE was largely conceived and implemented under racist pretenses so when it comes to trying to reform immigration to something less economicly or socially suicidal you get lots of pushback from people who have a vested interest in keeping out the very people you're trying to let in.
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I dunno if the correct solution to people throwing drugs OVER your wall is to make it so they can pass drugs THROUGH the wall. I mean, it is equivalent to what is contextually the right solution, which is NO wall, but dear God, there are SO MANY LAYERS OF STUPID HERE.
He only said "transparent". That doesn't mean anyone is going to be able to get anything through the wall
The Trump admin is probably developing invisible bricks as we speak
Is there something lower than absolute zero?
Apparently!
i know this isn't the Russia thread, but it's relevant: Jeff Sessions is NECK DEEP in Russia horseshit. he should be NOWHERE NEAR the AGs office, and yet here we are.
i think i'm going to need one of those mouth protectors, because i have been grinding my teeth a lot lately
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Transparent aluminum is already a thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride
$10-15 / sqin apparently. So a paltry 226 billion
Look, do you want a wall made out of sapphires or not?
Or just bribe some of the many underpaid guards. Honestly the most effective barrier to illegal immigration is what a rubbish president Trump is. It's really discouraging people from wanting to come here. So Trumps wall is actually made of incompetence and hate.
down with the trump wall
also i was unsure if that trump comment was a meme or not but nope, he has transcended us all
He has dementia. Seriously. That whole comment is just confabulation because blanked out and had no idea what he was saying or what was going on.
It wouldn't be the first time. Damn America don't pick Agnatic Seniority for your succession law (I have been playing a lot of CK2)
No-one wants to emigrate to somewhere that will hate them for their ethnicity. I imagine this is impacting legal immigration, too, especially from Muslim or Latin American countries. Not that Republican voters care - they'd like an immigration rate of zero (legal or illegal), ideally.
Never mind that immigration is how the United States avoids having as large a deficit in working-age people as some other countries... also, that immigrants moving to a smaller community is often all that keeps it afloat.
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Oh hey! We partially allowed the executive branch some leeway on its clearly discriminatory policy because of the wide latitude of national security powers. But they took that leeway and ran away with it all the way back into unconstitutional territory! Who could have guessed?
I think I read this in a children's book once. If you give a mouse a cookie....
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Oh hey, the SCOTUS decision was exactly as stupid as everyone thought it was from the second it dropped.
This is the court that said “We now conclude that independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption.” It's certainly possible that they were oblivious to the ramifications.
The world makes a lot more sense when you realize "maybe they're idiots" answers a lot of questions.
To be fair, I think Kennedy was the only one who actually believed it.
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Honestly, we should have a setup where ICE is only notify of someone's legal status if that individual is arrested for a serious crime. We should also have a setup where if someone is a witness to an investigation, and aren't documented, then ICE has to leave them alone (aka when they decide to detain someone, they have to submit the individuals name to the appropriate agency for these matters, if the agency comes back and states this individual is a witness in an ongoing investigation or trial, then ICE has to step off until all matters are concluded). Absolutely stupid that ICE can fuck up things. Also kind of sad that some are such shitty bigots, that they feel it's more important to kick out an undocumented immigrant, even if that means creating a situation where a criminal gets to walk, but it's par for the course with that crowd (they don't really care about jobs, morality, crime or economics, they just care about if they get to shit all over people that aren't part of "their" group).
But what if, and bear with me here, the criminal that they're a witness to (or even victim of) is white?
Honestly, after reading this article from the Times The New Yorker (sorry, messed up the source there...), I'd rather we just clear out the entire agency and start over.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/a-veteran-ice-agent-disillusioned-with-the-trump-era-speaks-out
British newlyweds say they were barred from entering US
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/25/british-newlyweds-say-they-were-barred-from-entering-us
Three guesses as to why they were stopped, and the first two don't count.
Fuck these racist, xenophobic border control fucks.
Gosh, I hope this sort of thing doesn't hurt the US tourist industry. I'd certainly think twice about booking a vacation in the USA if I were of Middle-Eastern descent. I bet you don't get a refund if you are turned back at the border, either.
Too late, that's already happening. I loathe to think what the tourist industry will look like a year from now.
Working as intended, according to the GOP and/or ICE.
"Brown people go stay home."
Which is one of the many ways racism is suicidal to a country. Turning away people who want nothing more than to throw money around and then go home is idiotic.
The last line is the worst:
"They said it was down to applicants to prove they were eligible to enter the US."
He had a Visa. That's his eligibility to enter. What other proof does he need? He's traveling on a British passport. Last I checked the UK was not on the ban list.
And in the end they were not even told why they were detained and then sent home. That's crazy.
I know there's a security thing where they search the bags of every 3rd or 5th person as a means of deterring bad people, as they can't always search bags. But is this a "send every 3rd or 5th or 10th person home" as a means of deterrent?
Muslims often experience problems at the US border. Perhaps he had a name the same as someone on a watchlist, or looked a bit similar to them. It's just bigotry.
Having a visa doesn't mean anything, legally speaking. It's too tiring to go through it all but while consulates can hand them it out to those who apply, it doesn't guarantee anything once you hit US soil. There's no contract, no law, nothing which states that the US has to let you enter even if you have all your paperwork and whatnot in line and ready for the customs agent.
It's quite likely that the person who turned them away decided to not like their face and decided to not let them enter. Custom agents have a large leeway when it comes to denying entry. Of course that leeway allows them all sorts of cover for their bigoted, racist, backwards reactions. It doesn't help things that ICE was largely conceived and implemented under racist pretenses so when it comes to trying to reform immigration to something less economicly or socially suicidal you get lots of pushback from people who have a vested interest in keeping out the very people you're trying to let in.
From a immigration lawyer: