God damn even being subs only can't keep gdq chat from being a shitheap
The larger a channel is, the more rigorous a moderation system (both humans and a well scripted Nightbot) as well as overall culture need to be established to stem the natural tendency towards horribleness. Compare the differences in chat experience, for example, between Kripparian (who makes no effort whatsoever to manage his chat) and someone like Cohh Carnage or other variety streamers who build their stream identity around chat interaction or a community.
AGDQ, and other large one-off events, are almost ungovernable by definition since they'll end up drawing a large generalized crowd with no shared sense of acceptable behavious, and being low frequency events are highly unlikely to have a dedicated moderation staff to handle it.
having moderated the PAX channels on occasion I know this all too well
they get a dedicated mod staff but it mostly means that half the chat is <message deleted>
better than the alternative
Twitch itself is also going to have to eventually grapple with the fact that several of their evergreen emotes have become proxies for casual racism through shared usage.
imo allowing custom user emotes is a mistake on any platform but I don't think twitch will ever walk that bank.
I feel like hipchat and slack get a pass.
But something public-wide? yeah...
I don't know much about hipchat but even slack is getting flack now for stuff that is happening in ostensibly private places, I think because of the level of adoption. (Like recently I've seen a lot of complaining about their lack of an ignore feature.)
This is the danger when you run a unique public service, people will hold you accountable for the actions of your userbase.
I dont know how an ignore feature would even work in slack considering its use case.
Well before you hit ignore, you go to HR. These are your coworkers, you can't ignore them even if you hate them.
Because slack is getting used for things outside of work. Also getting used a lot in workplaces without any actual buy-in from the leadership so HR is just going to go bwuh? at you.
All that's assuming you even have the mythical HR department that is interested in mediating disputes.
I know this sounds naive on first blush, but... if someone decides to shadow-it a chat solution that a large portion of yoir staff uses to conduct work, and something shitty happens on there, it is still corporate's problem and HR needs to intervene. Because it is a work relationship being stressed in a place where people are doing work.
They should. But if you're the member of some disadvantaged group and your being bullied by the bro who's loved by his bro boss, and HR and leadership don't even know what slack is, are you even going to attempt that complaint?
And what if it's some thing completely outside of a formal work structure. I've been in slacks for convention organizing. I've seen plenty of slacks that are just chat channels.
Yes. Maybe the slack gets shut down as a result. Maybe it gets rolled under corporate governance. But if you need to participate in a thing to advance at work, then that thing needs to be a shared and safe space. If you think the ignore feature is a solution for this, it isn't
It won't fix a shitty workspace.
It is within slacks power to make shitty workspaces slightly more tolerable for those forced to endure them.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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OnTheLastCastlelet's keep it haimish for the peripateticRegistered Userregular
No worries, I just thought I talked about it endlessly enough that it was known. I have only been in Austin for 5.5 years and I hate it and am not going to look at the explosion as I walk away.
I'm excited to be in a city without all the crowded bullshit but still cool stuff. Also mostly friends again since all of mine kept leaving.
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@elki I'll buy the necromancer if you wanna season 12 Diablo hardcore
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
No worries, I just thought I talked about it endlessly enough that it was known. I have only been in Austin for 5.5 years and I hate it and am not going to look at the explosion as I walk away.
I'm excited to be in a city without all the crowded bullshit but still cool stuff. Also mostly friends again since all of mine kept leaving.
I must've missed it, or forgot. I'm horrible with social memory. It's good you'll be around old friends, that can really make living a lot better.
I remember moving back up here in 2016 (I lived in Nebraska briefly in 2005) and the difference was pretty astounding. I truly hate summer in Oklahoma/Texas, it's just fucking miserable.
God damn even being subs only can't keep gdq chat from being a shitheap
The larger a channel is, the more rigorous a moderation system (both humans and a well scripted Nightbot) as well as overall culture need to be established to stem the natural tendency towards horribleness. Compare the differences in chat experience, for example, between Kripparian (who makes no effort whatsoever to manage his chat) and someone like Cohh Carnage or other variety streamers who build their stream identity around chat interaction or a community.
AGDQ, and other large one-off events, are almost ungovernable by definition since they'll end up drawing a large generalized crowd with no shared sense of acceptable behavious, and being low frequency events are highly unlikely to have a dedicated moderation staff to handle it.
having moderated the PAX channels on occasion I know this all too well
they get a dedicated mod staff but it mostly means that half the chat is <message deleted>
better than the alternative
Twitch itself is also going to have to eventually grapple with the fact that several of their evergreen emotes have become proxies for casual racism through shared usage.
imo allowing custom user emotes is a mistake on any platform but I don't think twitch will ever walk that bank.
I feel like hipchat and slack get a pass.
But something public-wide? yeah...
I don't know much about hipchat but even slack is getting flack now for stuff that is happening in ostensibly private places, I think because of the level of adoption. (Like recently I've seen a lot of complaining about their lack of an ignore feature.)
This is the danger when you run a unique public service, people will hold you accountable for the actions of your userbase.
I dont know how an ignore feature would even work in slack considering its use case.
Well before you hit ignore, you go to HR. These are your coworkers, you can't ignore them even if you hate them.
Because slack is getting used for things outside of work. Also getting used a lot in workplaces without any actual buy-in from the leadership so HR is just going to go bwuh? at you.
All that's assuming you even have the mythical HR department that is interested in mediating disputes.
I know this sounds naive on first blush, but... if someone decides to shadow-it a chat solution that a large portion of yoir staff uses to conduct work, and something shitty happens on there, it is still corporate's problem and HR needs to intervene. Because it is a work relationship being stressed in a place where people are doing work.
They should. But if you're the member of some disadvantaged group and your being bullied by the bro who's loved by his bro boss, and HR and leadership don't even know what slack is, are you even going to attempt that complaint?
And what if it's some thing completely outside of a formal work structure. I've been in slacks for convention organizing. I've seen plenty of slacks that are just chat channels.
Yes. Maybe the slack gets shut down as a result. Maybe it gets rolled under corporate governance. But if you need to participate in a thing to advance at work, then that thing needs to be a shared and safe space. If you think the ignore feature is a solution for this, it isn't
It won't fix a shitty workspace.
It is within slacks power to make shitty workspaces slightly more tolerable for those forced to endure them.
On a social forum, an ignore feature is fine.
On a workspace, ignore is 100% not okay.
You are being paid to work with your team. Missing work-related messages from your teammates because they are abusive is fucking bad on multiple levels.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
God damn even being subs only can't keep gdq chat from being a shitheap
The larger a channel is, the more rigorous a moderation system (both humans and a well scripted Nightbot) as well as overall culture need to be established to stem the natural tendency towards horribleness. Compare the differences in chat experience, for example, between Kripparian (who makes no effort whatsoever to manage his chat) and someone like Cohh Carnage or other variety streamers who build their stream identity around chat interaction or a community.
AGDQ, and other large one-off events, are almost ungovernable by definition since they'll end up drawing a large generalized crowd with no shared sense of acceptable behavious, and being low frequency events are highly unlikely to have a dedicated moderation staff to handle it.
having moderated the PAX channels on occasion I know this all too well
they get a dedicated mod staff but it mostly means that half the chat is <message deleted>
better than the alternative
Twitch itself is also going to have to eventually grapple with the fact that several of their evergreen emotes have become proxies for casual racism through shared usage.
imo allowing custom user emotes is a mistake on any platform but I don't think twitch will ever walk that bank.
I feel like hipchat and slack get a pass.
But something public-wide? yeah...
I don't know much about hipchat but even slack is getting flack now for stuff that is happening in ostensibly private places, I think because of the level of adoption. (Like recently I've seen a lot of complaining about their lack of an ignore feature.)
This is the danger when you run a unique public service, people will hold you accountable for the actions of your userbase.
I dont know how an ignore feature would even work in slack considering its use case.
Well before you hit ignore, you go to HR. These are your coworkers, you can't ignore them even if you hate them.
Because slack is getting used for things outside of work. Also getting used a lot in workplaces without any actual buy-in from the leadership so HR is just going to go bwuh? at you.
All that's assuming you even have the mythical HR department that is interested in mediating disputes.
I know this sounds naive on first blush, but... if someone decides to shadow-it a chat solution that a large portion of yoir staff uses to conduct work, and something shitty happens on there, it is still corporate's problem and HR needs to intervene. Because it is a work relationship being stressed in a place where people are doing work.
They should. But if you're the member of some disadvantaged group and your being bullied by the bro who's loved by his bro boss, and HR and leadership don't even know what slack is, are you even going to attempt that complaint?
And what if it's some thing completely outside of a formal work structure. I've been in slacks for convention organizing. I've seen plenty of slacks that are just chat channels.
Yes. Maybe the slack gets shut down as a result. Maybe it gets rolled under corporate governance. But if you need to participate in a thing to advance at work, then that thing needs to be a shared and safe space. If you think the ignore feature is a solution for this, it isn't
It won't fix a shitty workspace.
It is within slacks power to make shitty workspaces slightly more tolerable for those forced to endure them.
On a social forum, an ignore feature is fine.
On a workspace, ignore is 100% not okay.
You are being paid to work with your team. Missing work-related messages from your teammates because they are abusive is fucking bad on multiple levels.
the problem isn't that it'd be a bad feature in a healthy workplace
the problem is that slack is, increasingly being used outside of healthy workplaces (which are few and far between to begin with), and being used outside of workplaces alltogether
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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HonkHonk is this poster.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
The meteoric rise of glorified mirc service Slack is something to behold.
PSN: Honkalot
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
God damn even being subs only can't keep gdq chat from being a shitheap
The larger a channel is, the more rigorous a moderation system (both humans and a well scripted Nightbot) as well as overall culture need to be established to stem the natural tendency towards horribleness. Compare the differences in chat experience, for example, between Kripparian (who makes no effort whatsoever to manage his chat) and someone like Cohh Carnage or other variety streamers who build their stream identity around chat interaction or a community.
AGDQ, and other large one-off events, are almost ungovernable by definition since they'll end up drawing a large generalized crowd with no shared sense of acceptable behavious, and being low frequency events are highly unlikely to have a dedicated moderation staff to handle it.
having moderated the PAX channels on occasion I know this all too well
they get a dedicated mod staff but it mostly means that half the chat is <message deleted>
better than the alternative
Twitch itself is also going to have to eventually grapple with the fact that several of their evergreen emotes have become proxies for casual racism through shared usage.
imo allowing custom user emotes is a mistake on any platform but I don't think twitch will ever walk that bank.
I feel like hipchat and slack get a pass.
But something public-wide? yeah...
I don't know much about hipchat but even slack is getting flack now for stuff that is happening in ostensibly private places, I think because of the level of adoption. (Like recently I've seen a lot of complaining about their lack of an ignore feature.)
This is the danger when you run a unique public service, people will hold you accountable for the actions of your userbase.
I dont know how an ignore feature would even work in slack considering its use case.
Well before you hit ignore, you go to HR. These are your coworkers, you can't ignore them even if you hate them.
Because slack is getting used for things outside of work. Also getting used a lot in workplaces without any actual buy-in from the leadership so HR is just going to go bwuh? at you.
All that's assuming you even have the mythical HR department that is interested in mediating disputes.
I know this sounds naive on first blush, but... if someone decides to shadow-it a chat solution that a large portion of yoir staff uses to conduct work, and something shitty happens on there, it is still corporate's problem and HR needs to intervene. Because it is a work relationship being stressed in a place where people are doing work.
They should. But if you're the member of some disadvantaged group and your being bullied by the bro who's loved by his bro boss, and HR and leadership don't even know what slack is, are you even going to attempt that complaint?
And what if it's some thing completely outside of a formal work structure. I've been in slacks for convention organizing. I've seen plenty of slacks that are just chat channels.
Yes. Maybe the slack gets shut down as a result. Maybe it gets rolled under corporate governance. But if you need to participate in a thing to advance at work, then that thing needs to be a shared and safe space. If you think the ignore feature is a solution for this, it isn't
It won't fix a shitty workspace.
It is within slacks power to make shitty workspaces slightly more tolerable for those forced to endure them.
On a social forum, an ignore feature is fine.
On a workspace, ignore is 100% not okay.
You are being paid to work with your team. Missing work-related messages from your teammates because they are abusive is fucking bad on multiple levels.
the problem isn't that it'd be a bad feature in a healthy workplace
the problem is that slack is, increasingly being used outside of healthy workplaces (which are few and far between to begin with), and being used outside of workplaces alltogether
I've only worked in smaller offices and teams so the necessity for it is lost on me altogether.
I find it weird when the guy behind me emails me something that doesn't really need a record. He could just wheel his chair 7 feet over...
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
I will say the Omaha Zoo is pretty damn outstanding, and I'm glad I'm only an hour away.
the way all new computer technologies are cast as services owned and operated by corporate entities is Not Good when those entities have no concern for the effects of those technologies on our society as a whole
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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Orphanerivers of redthat run to seaRegistered Userregular
God damn even being subs only can't keep gdq chat from being a shitheap
The larger a channel is, the more rigorous a moderation system (both humans and a well scripted Nightbot) as well as overall culture need to be established to stem the natural tendency towards horribleness. Compare the differences in chat experience, for example, between Kripparian (who makes no effort whatsoever to manage his chat) and someone like Cohh Carnage or other variety streamers who build their stream identity around chat interaction or a community.
AGDQ, and other large one-off events, are almost ungovernable by definition since they'll end up drawing a large generalized crowd with no shared sense of acceptable behavious, and being low frequency events are highly unlikely to have a dedicated moderation staff to handle it.
having moderated the PAX channels on occasion I know this all too well
they get a dedicated mod staff but it mostly means that half the chat is <message deleted>
better than the alternative
Twitch itself is also going to have to eventually grapple with the fact that several of their evergreen emotes have become proxies for casual racism through shared usage.
imo allowing custom user emotes is a mistake on any platform but I don't think twitch will ever walk that bank.
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Orphanerivers of redthat run to seaRegistered Userregular
im lookin at u dudes agreeing with aioua on that one and im like
custom emotes are great fucking fight me on this hill, only people are bad
the lady that owns <my_incredibly_uncommon_last_name>.com had been using it for email only for years, and I approached her a while back about buying it. a while being early 2014
So she gets back to me after a month or two, "oh, yeah this is my professional email I only use for work, but I remarried and this isn't even my last name anymore, I've been meaning to get a new email. I'll look at solutions and get back to you"
that was the last I heard, in mid-2014
so over the week I had off for Christmas, I decided to just bite the bullet and get <last_name>.io instead of .com and just live with it. I set up emails for the whole family got people moved over and set up.
literally this evening the lady gets back to me: "hey, I'm finally ready to move my stuff but someone's squatting on the domain I want, what do you want to do"
If you don't play the game you can't lose the pieces and then need to paint NEW pieces
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Oh!
Well then pretend I'm not an idiot.
(I didn't know, for real... I thought you were a Texan)
Man, that Toyota 86 is a sexy beast, ain't it?
It won't fix a shitty workspace.
It is within slacks power to make shitty workspaces slightly more tolerable for those forced to endure them.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I'm excited to be in a city without all the crowded bullshit but still cool stuff. Also mostly friends again since all of mine kept leaving.
I must've missed it, or forgot. I'm horrible with social memory. It's good you'll be around old friends, that can really make living a lot better.
I remember moving back up here in 2016 (I lived in Nebraska briefly in 2005) and the difference was pretty astounding. I truly hate summer in Oklahoma/Texas, it's just fucking miserable.
Sure why not
On a social forum, an ignore feature is fine.
On a workspace, ignore is 100% not okay.
You are being paid to work with your team. Missing work-related messages from your teammates because they are abusive is fucking bad on multiple levels.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
He’s trying to bond
the problem isn't that it'd be a bad feature in a healthy workplace
the problem is that slack is, increasingly being used outside of healthy workplaces (which are few and far between to begin with), and being used outside of workplaces alltogether
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I've only worked in smaller offices and teams so the necessity for it is lost on me altogether.
I find it weird when the guy behind me emails me something that doesn't really need a record. He could just wheel his chair 7 feet over...
I think the moral of my story is...
the way all new computer technologies are cast as services owned and operated by corporate entities is Not Good when those entities have no concern for the effects of those technologies on our society as a whole
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
custom emotes are great fucking fight me on this hill, only people are bad
Degg?
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Tilly-chan......
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
eddy u.....
I finished Wolfenstein: The New Order last night and was really looking forward to the prequel, Wolfenstein: The Old Blood
but hmmm
this is way way worse of a game, just like, on every level
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I'm too tired to do the other half
But paradoxically, not tired enough to sleep....
the lady that owns <my_incredibly_uncommon_last_name>.com had been using it for email only for years, and I approached her a while back about buying it. a while being early 2014
So she gets back to me after a month or two, "oh, yeah this is my professional email I only use for work, but I remarried and this isn't even my last name anymore, I've been meaning to get a new email. I'll look at solutions and get back to you"
that was the last I heard, in mid-2014
so over the week I had off for Christmas, I decided to just bite the bullet and get <last_name>.io instead of .com and just live with it. I set up emails for the whole family got people moved over and set up.
literally this evening the lady gets back to me: "hey, I'm finally ready to move my stuff but someone's squatting on the domain I want, what do you want to do"
:rotate:
Painting...forever....
If they gave me a sword and let me murder vampires I'd still be playing that game over and over
Also sleep didn't happen so instead yay I am back
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I played a game today!
.....I have been saving money for a Tyranids army, but won't buy anything until I finish my Skaven....