No amount of power will ever overcome the heroes withholding vital information from each other. The power to talk to each other is the greatest of all.
So true. Just like one group therapy session would end all of that.
Logan and Deadpool weren't Disney, but they were still Marvel films that were incredibly well received and made good money. Which was my point - there's a proven market for adult treatments of comic book properties.
I've made this point elsewhere (maybe not this forum), but I do think the key issue is that Marvel's been very hesitant to make an MCU main-storyline film rated R, since there's kind of a feeling that those are required viewing to follow the overarching storyline. So I do think that in the same way they were able to treat the Netflix stuff as 'MCU, kind of' once the streaming service kicks off they'll be able to do R stuff there without having to worry about younger people (or just ones that don't want to see a harder MCU film) feeling like they need to see all the films. Of course, the side effect of that is that you get the Netflix/AoS issue where they don't really impact the main films at all.
There is a zero percent chance Disney puts an R or MA rated series on their new service. It’d be too off brand. I do seem to recall there being talk of Hulu being their dumping ground for more adult, not mainline Disney, content now that they essentially own it as well.
No amount of power will ever overcome the heroes withholding vital information from each other. The power to talk to each other is the greatest of all.
So true. Just like one group therapy session would end all of that.
Did you grow up in a dysfunctional family? Because I did. They don’t talk to each other. They don’t communicate. And one therapy session would not make a dent.
I detect a hugely tragic arc incoming for Claudia. She's about to become a big dark magic evangelist after healing her brother, and when Callum turns her down flat after his air arcanum epiphany, she will not react well.
For bonus tragedy points, it's likely that her brother's healing spell won't last, and she will find herself forced to cross a line to keep him (literally) on his feet: if killing another deer won't work, she may resort to using a human life to power the next spell...
I was genuinely suprised at the Sorra paralyzation storyline. That's some super heavy shit. And yeah, the level of dark magic she was willing to use to heal him does not bode well for her at all. It certainly won't help that dad is descending down into some really vengeful dark magic himself right now.
I detect a hugely tragic arc incoming for Claudia. She's about to become a big dark magic evangelist after healing her brother, and when Callum turns her down flat after his air arcanum epiphany, she will not react well.
For bonus tragedy points, it's likely that her brother's healing spell won't last, and she will find herself forced to cross a line to keep him (literally) on his feet: if killing another deer won't work, she may resort to using a human life to power the next spell...
I was genuinely suprised at the Sorra paralyzation storyline. That's some super heavy shit. And yeah, the level of dark magic she was willing to use to heal him does not bode well for her at all. It certainly won't help that dad is descending down into some really vengeful dark magic himself right now.
Yeah, the Father seems to being tutored by some sort of evil, I'm wondering if it will end up being the real big bad. I didn't get a count, but how many swords did the prince's aunt end up going through to the sun elves super blades.
I detect a hugely tragic arc incoming for Claudia. She's about to become a big dark magic evangelist after healing her brother, and when Callum turns her down flat after his air arcanum epiphany, she will not react well.
For bonus tragedy points, it's likely that her brother's healing spell won't last, and she will find herself forced to cross a line to keep him (literally) on his feet: if killing another deer won't work, she may resort to using a human life to power the next spell...
I was genuinely suprised at the Sorra paralyzation storyline. That's some super heavy shit. And yeah, the level of dark magic she was willing to use to heal him does not bode well for her at all. It certainly won't help that dad is descending down into some really vengeful dark magic himself right now.
Yeah, the Father seems to being tutored by some sort of evil, I'm wondering if it will end up being the real big bad. I didn't get a count, but how many swords did the prince's aunt end up going through to the sun elves super blades.
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the guy in the mirror is the one they mention elsewhere as someone who mastered all the primal magics. Its his box thingy that unlocks something. Keep in mind his mirror was originally in the Dragon King's horde. He's been around a super long time.
Logan and Deadpool weren't Disney, but they were still Marvel films that were incredibly well received and made good money. Which was my point - there's a proven market for adult treatments of comic book properties.
I've made this point elsewhere (maybe not this forum), but I do think the key issue is that Marvel's been very hesitant to make an MCU main-storyline film rated R, since there's kind of a feeling that those are required viewing to follow the overarching storyline. So I do think that in the same way they were able to treat the Netflix stuff as 'MCU, kind of' once the streaming service kicks off they'll be able to do R stuff there without having to worry about younger people (or just ones that don't want to see a harder MCU film) feeling like they need to see all the films. Of course, the side effect of that is that you get the Netflix/AoS issue where they don't really impact the main films at all.
I don't think the disconnect of the shows from the films has anything to do with the rating. That's because the shows are another division and Marvel doesn't want to make anything but the movies required viewing.
I don't think the movie division ever had any intention of making it a two-way street. The TV shows acknowledge the movies but the movies are the flagship and they only do what they want to do.
No amount of power will ever overcome the heroes withholding vital information from each other. The power to talk to each other is the greatest of all.
So true. Just like one group therapy session would end all of that.
Did you grow up in a dysfunctional family? Because I did. They don’t talk to each other. They don’t communicate. And one therapy session would not make a dent.
Also, that's the fucking point of the entire show?
I don't think the movie division ever had any intention of making it a two-way street. The TV shows acknowledge the movies but the movies are the flagship and they only do what they want to do.
It made total sense for Agents of SHIELD to want to get as much of that selling power as they could from the movies, but after Cap 2 they were cut off from the ongoing plot by virtue of, well, SHIELD being blown up, and also Agents of SHIELD's declining ratings made guest starring on it the sort of thing the movie stars likely couldn't be bothered with. Also logistically it must have been a nightmare. After the first season's terrific payoff of SHIELD/Hydra every bit of crossover was cursory or incidental. And honestly the later seasons of the show were better for hiving themselves off.
The Netflix stuff was always, I thought, supposed to be its own thing. Street level heroes that would have great crossover with each other but little to none with the other elements of the MCU. Tonally they were consistent with each other, not the movies.
I don't think the movie division ever had any intention of making it a two-way street. The TV shows acknowledge the movies but the movies are the flagship and they only do what they want to do.
It made total sense for Agents of SHIELD to want to get as much of that selling power as they could from the movies, but after Cap 2 they were cut off from the ongoing plot by virtue of, well, SHIELD being blown up, and also Agents of SHIELD's declining ratings made guest starring on it the sort of thing the movie stars likely couldn't be bothered with. Also logistically it must have been a nightmare. After the first season's terrific payoff of SHIELD/Hydra every bit of crossover was cursory or incidental. And honestly the later seasons of the show were better for hiving themselves off.
The Netflix stuff was always, I thought, supposed to be its own thing. Street level heroes that would have great crossover with each other but little to none with the other elements of the MCU. Tonally they were consistent with each other, not the movies.
The Netflix stuff made sense there too because (for various reasons including budgetary) they went with a very low-level, low-stakes approach which makes it actually fairly easy to avoid the necessity of any sort of cross-pollination with the films. Nobody in the films would now or even give a shit about anything that is going on in the Netflix shows and none of the characters involved in the Netflix shows is gonna be rolling with the Avengers.
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I detect a hugely tragic arc incoming for Claudia. She's about to become a big dark magic evangelist after healing her brother, and when Callum turns her down flat after his air arcanum epiphany, she will not react well.
For bonus tragedy points, it's likely that her brother's healing spell won't last, and she will find herself forced to cross a line to keep him (literally) on his feet: if killing another deer won't work, she may resort to using a human life to power the next spell...
I really don’t see the inherent problem with “dark magic.” Oh no, you have to kill something that has magic in it. Like, say, for food. Or leather. Or any other good.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I detect a hugely tragic arc incoming for Claudia. She's about to become a big dark magic evangelist after healing her brother, and when Callum turns her down flat after his air arcanum epiphany, she will not react well.
For bonus tragedy points, it's likely that her brother's healing spell won't last, and she will find herself forced to cross a line to keep him (literally) on his feet: if killing another deer won't work, she may resort to using a human life to power the next spell...
I really don’t see the inherent problem with “dark magic.” Oh no, you have to kill something that has magic in it. Like, say, for food. Or leather. Or any other good.
I detect a hugely tragic arc incoming for Claudia. She's about to become a big dark magic evangelist after healing her brother, and when Callum turns her down flat after his air arcanum epiphany, she will not react well.
For bonus tragedy points, it's likely that her brother's healing spell won't last, and she will find herself forced to cross a line to keep him (literally) on his feet: if killing another deer won't work, she may resort to using a human life to power the next spell...
I really don’t see the inherent problem with “dark magic.” Oh no, you have to kill something that has magic in it. Like, say, for food. Or leather. Or any other good.
The episode after Callum uses dark magic shows the problem with it, it seems addictive and can easily make you cross a moral event horizon like the regent.
I don't think the movie division ever had any intention of making it a two-way street. The TV shows acknowledge the movies but the movies are the flagship and they only do what they want to do.
It made total sense for Agents of SHIELD to want to get as much of that selling power as they could from the movies, but after Cap 2 they were cut off from the ongoing plot by virtue of, well, SHIELD being blown up, and also Agents of SHIELD's declining ratings made guest starring on it the sort of thing the movie stars likely couldn't be bothered with. Also logistically it must have been a nightmare. After the first season's terrific payoff of SHIELD/Hydra every bit of crossover was cursory or incidental. And honestly the later seasons of the show were better for hiving themselves off.
The Netflix stuff was always, I thought, supposed to be its own thing. Street level heroes that would have great crossover with each other but little to none with the other elements of the MCU. Tonally they were consistent with each other, not the movies.
The Netflix stuff made sense there too because (for various reasons including budgetary) they went with a very low-level, low-stakes approach which makes it actually fairly easy to avoid the necessity of any sort of cross-pollination with the films. Nobody in the films would now or even give a shit about anything that is going on in the Netflix shows and none of the characters involved in the Netflix shows is gonna be rolling with the Avengers.
I detect a hugely tragic arc incoming for Claudia. She's about to become a big dark magic evangelist after healing her brother, and when Callum turns her down flat after his air arcanum epiphany, she will not react well.
For bonus tragedy points, it's likely that her brother's healing spell won't last, and she will find herself forced to cross a line to keep him (literally) on his feet: if killing another deer won't work, she may resort to using a human life to power the next spell...
I really don’t see the inherent problem with “dark magic.” Oh no, you have to kill something that has magic in it. Like, say, for food. Or leather. Or any other good.
It does seem to make people evil tho
I think there's also the inferred issue of
killing a creature to gain power rather than for a need or survival being morally corrupt. I mean, I don't think it's an accident that when Ezran takes Claudia to the milk fruit tree, it's a family of deer there that she uses to power her healing spell.
I detect a hugely tragic arc incoming for Claudia. She's about to become a big dark magic evangelist after healing her brother, and when Callum turns her down flat after his air arcanum epiphany, she will not react well.
For bonus tragedy points, it's likely that her brother's healing spell won't last, and she will find herself forced to cross a line to keep him (literally) on his feet: if killing another deer won't work, she may resort to using a human life to power the next spell...
I really don’t see the inherent problem with “dark magic.” Oh no, you have to kill something that has magic in it. Like, say, for food. Or leather. Or any other good.
It does seem to make people evil tho
I think there's also the inferred issue of
killing a creature to gain power rather than for a need or survival being morally corrupt. I mean, I don't think it's an accident that when Ezran takes Claudia to the milk fruit tree, it's a family of deer there that she uses to power her healing spell.
I thought it was pretty clear based on her
barely feigned surprise that deer were there. She knew exactly what she was doing.
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I detect a hugely tragic arc incoming for Claudia. She's about to become a big dark magic evangelist after healing her brother, and when Callum turns her down flat after his air arcanum epiphany, she will not react well.
For bonus tragedy points, it's likely that her brother's healing spell won't last, and she will find herself forced to cross a line to keep him (literally) on his feet: if killing another deer won't work, she may resort to using a human life to power the next spell...
I really don’t see the inherent problem with “dark magic.” Oh no, you have to kill something that has magic in it. Like, say, for food. Or leather. Or any other good.
The episode after Callum uses dark magic shows the problem with it, it seems addictive and can easily make you cross a moral event horizon like the regent.
That could just be an issue for using the power without training or proper prep.
The characters who seem to be against dark magic seem to be against it because you drain power from another source, achieve you usually have to kill. And that seems like a very meh reason for it to be “evil.”
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
the subtext of “the magic has a cost” is that the cost is not merely the thing you sacrifice but also a part of yourself. This being pretty explicit with the dark dream that Callum has after using for the first time. Alternately its like a drug. You gotta keep using.
Though it would be nice to see some parralells to things like eating and living. I dont think were going to get those.
Speculation. This is where the tale of Aaravos is going. He was master of all six realms of magic via using dark magic. Dark Magic will be the thing that has imprisoned him.
the subtext of “the magic has a cost” is that the cost is not merely the thing you sacrifice but also a part of yourself. This being pretty explicit with the dark dream that Callum has after using for the first time. Alternately its like a drug. You gotta keep using.
Though it would be nice to see some parralells to things like eating and living. I dont think were going to get those.
Speculation. This is where the tale of Aaravos is going. He was master of all six realms of magic via using dark magic. Dark Magic will be the thing that has imprisoned him.
In the tradition of shit that's kinda evil it also
seems to disfigure its users. By the end of the season the Regent looks like a lich and Claudia's spell gives her a white streak in her hair
If the point of the show is that entire plots hinge on not mentioning critical information at any time then it might not be a very well written show. I enjoyed parts but if the angst was dialed down to adult levels then I would recommend Umbrella Academy to others.
I don't think the movie division ever had any intention of making it a two-way street. The TV shows acknowledge the movies but the movies are the flagship and they only do what they want to do.
It made total sense for Agents of SHIELD to want to get as much of that selling power as they could from the movies, but after Cap 2 they were cut off from the ongoing plot by virtue of, well, SHIELD being blown up, and also Agents of SHIELD's declining ratings made guest starring on it the sort of thing the movie stars likely couldn't be bothered with. Also logistically it must have been a nightmare. After the first season's terrific payoff of SHIELD/Hydra every bit of crossover was cursory or incidental. And honestly the later seasons of the show were better for hiving themselves off.
The Netflix stuff was always, I thought, supposed to be its own thing. Street level heroes that would have great crossover with each other but little to none with the other elements of the MCU. Tonally they were consistent with each other, not the movies.
The Netflix stuff made sense there too because (for various reasons including budgetary) they went with a very low-level, low-stakes approach which makes it actually fairly easy to avoid the necessity of any sort of cross-pollination with the films. Nobody in the films would now or even give a shit about anything that is going on in the Netflix shows and none of the characters involved in the Netflix shows is gonna be rolling with the Avengers.
Spiderman though.
Was scouted by Tony Stark. If Tony hadn't been involved, Spiderman would have been much more on the level of the Netflix heroes than the MCU heroes.
I think Shryke absolutely nailed the difference. For example, had Tony instead found Jessica Jones, she'd be a part of the MCU. Her invincibility and super strength would certainly qualify her.
I detect a hugely tragic arc incoming for Claudia. She's about to become a big dark magic evangelist after healing her brother, and when Callum turns her down flat after his air arcanum epiphany, she will not react well.
For bonus tragedy points, it's likely that her brother's healing spell won't last, and she will find herself forced to cross a line to keep him (literally) on his feet: if killing another deer won't work, she may resort to using a human life to power the next spell...
I really don’t see the inherent problem with “dark magic.” Oh no, you have to kill something that has magic in it. Like, say, for food. Or leather. Or any other good.
It does seem to make people evil tho
I think there's also the inferred issue of
killing a creature to gain power rather than for a need or survival being morally corrupt. I mean, I don't think it's an accident that when Ezran takes Claudia to the milk fruit tree, it's a family of deer there that she uses to power her healing spell.
I thought it was pretty clear based on her
barely feigned surprise that deer were there. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Yeah I wasn't trying to suggest it was a surprise to her, more that it was a specific scenario to imply information to the audience.
I don't think the movie division ever had any intention of making it a two-way street. The TV shows acknowledge the movies but the movies are the flagship and they only do what they want to do.
It made total sense for Agents of SHIELD to want to get as much of that selling power as they could from the movies, but after Cap 2 they were cut off from the ongoing plot by virtue of, well, SHIELD being blown up, and also Agents of SHIELD's declining ratings made guest starring on it the sort of thing the movie stars likely couldn't be bothered with. Also logistically it must have been a nightmare. After the first season's terrific payoff of SHIELD/Hydra every bit of crossover was cursory or incidental. And honestly the later seasons of the show were better for hiving themselves off.
The Netflix stuff was always, I thought, supposed to be its own thing. Street level heroes that would have great crossover with each other but little to none with the other elements of the MCU. Tonally they were consistent with each other, not the movies.
The Netflix stuff made sense there too because (for various reasons including budgetary) they went with a very low-level, low-stakes approach which makes it actually fairly easy to avoid the necessity of any sort of cross-pollination with the films. Nobody in the films would now or even give a shit about anything that is going on in the Netflix shows and none of the characters involved in the Netflix shows is gonna be rolling with the Avengers.
Spiderman though.
Was scouted by Tony Stark. If Tony hadn't been involved, Spiderman would have been much more on the level of the Netflix heroes than the MCU heroes.
I think Shryke absolutely nailed the difference. For example, had Tony instead found Jessica Jones, she'd be a part of the MCU. Her invincibility and super strength would certainly qualify her.
The Avengers include a guy with a bow and arrow and a woman who can lie well
I don’t know anybody who wouldn’t qualify and neither do you
I don't think the movie division ever had any intention of making it a two-way street. The TV shows acknowledge the movies but the movies are the flagship and they only do what they want to do.
It made total sense for Agents of SHIELD to want to get as much of that selling power as they could from the movies, but after Cap 2 they were cut off from the ongoing plot by virtue of, well, SHIELD being blown up, and also Agents of SHIELD's declining ratings made guest starring on it the sort of thing the movie stars likely couldn't be bothered with. Also logistically it must have been a nightmare. After the first season's terrific payoff of SHIELD/Hydra every bit of crossover was cursory or incidental. And honestly the later seasons of the show were better for hiving themselves off.
The Netflix stuff was always, I thought, supposed to be its own thing. Street level heroes that would have great crossover with each other but little to none with the other elements of the MCU. Tonally they were consistent with each other, not the movies.
The Netflix stuff made sense there too because (for various reasons including budgetary) they went with a very low-level, low-stakes approach which makes it actually fairly easy to avoid the necessity of any sort of cross-pollination with the films. Nobody in the films would now or even give a shit about anything that is going on in the Netflix shows and none of the characters involved in the Netflix shows is gonna be rolling with the Avengers.
They feel separate because there are things going on that heavily impact the world of the MCU, but which are never mentioned. There are a good dozen films which had profound, earth shattering events that people would at least sometimes mention in passing, but which just aren't.
Which is fine and all, but it just basically takes place in an alternate universe where the MCU films never happened, aside from the first Avengers.
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I don't think the movie division ever had any intention of making it a two-way street. The TV shows acknowledge the movies but the movies are the flagship and they only do what they want to do.
It made total sense for Agents of SHIELD to want to get as much of that selling power as they could from the movies, but after Cap 2 they were cut off from the ongoing plot by virtue of, well, SHIELD being blown up, and also Agents of SHIELD's declining ratings made guest starring on it the sort of thing the movie stars likely couldn't be bothered with. Also logistically it must have been a nightmare. After the first season's terrific payoff of SHIELD/Hydra every bit of crossover was cursory or incidental. And honestly the later seasons of the show were better for hiving themselves off.
The Netflix stuff was always, I thought, supposed to be its own thing. Street level heroes that would have great crossover with each other but little to none with the other elements of the MCU. Tonally they were consistent with each other, not the movies.
The Netflix stuff made sense there too because (for various reasons including budgetary) they went with a very low-level, low-stakes approach which makes it actually fairly easy to avoid the necessity of any sort of cross-pollination with the films. Nobody in the films would now or even give a shit about anything that is going on in the Netflix shows and none of the characters involved in the Netflix shows is gonna be rolling with the Avengers.
Spiderman though.
Was scouted by Tony Stark. If Tony hadn't been involved, Spiderman would have been much more on the level of the Netflix heroes than the MCU heroes.
I think Shryke absolutely nailed the difference. For example, had Tony instead found Jessica Jones, she'd be a part of the MCU. Her invincibility and super strength would certainly qualify her.
The Avengers include a guy with a bow and arrow and a woman who can lie well
I don’t know anybody who wouldn’t qualify and neither do you
Yeah, I don't think it's a matter of qualification so much as, like, scope of ambition. Spiderman is playing in the big leagues because Stark recruited him. Could have happened to like Luke Cage easily. But it didn't and none of the Netflix heroes have like grand global or even city spanning ambitions so they just kinda hang out in their little corner and do their thing. Like most people.
Jessica Jones is not signing up to be a government super-agent and Thor has no reason to come down to Hell's Kitchen and beat up drug dealers.
I don't think the movie division ever had any intention of making it a two-way street. The TV shows acknowledge the movies but the movies are the flagship and they only do what they want to do.
It made total sense for Agents of SHIELD to want to get as much of that selling power as they could from the movies, but after Cap 2 they were cut off from the ongoing plot by virtue of, well, SHIELD being blown up, and also Agents of SHIELD's declining ratings made guest starring on it the sort of thing the movie stars likely couldn't be bothered with. Also logistically it must have been a nightmare. After the first season's terrific payoff of SHIELD/Hydra every bit of crossover was cursory or incidental. And honestly the later seasons of the show were better for hiving themselves off.
The Netflix stuff was always, I thought, supposed to be its own thing. Street level heroes that would have great crossover with each other but little to none with the other elements of the MCU. Tonally they were consistent with each other, not the movies.
The Netflix stuff made sense there too because (for various reasons including budgetary) they went with a very low-level, low-stakes approach which makes it actually fairly easy to avoid the necessity of any sort of cross-pollination with the films. Nobody in the films would now or even give a shit about anything that is going on in the Netflix shows and none of the characters involved in the Netflix shows is gonna be rolling with the Avengers.
They feel separate because there are things going on that heavily impact the world of the MCU, but which are never mentioned. There are a good dozen films which had profound, earth shattering events that people would at least sometimes mention in passing, but which just aren't.
Which is fine and all, but it just basically takes place in an alternate universe where the MCU films never happened, aside from the first Avengers.
I'm not sure there's been much of anything that went on in the MCU that would be all that relevant to the Netflix shows after the first Avengers movie. (up until Avengers 3 obviously)
Decided to check out Santa Clarita Diet while I'm browsing the onlines. Before the first three minutes are up, there's a stock Doom door opening sound effect used to accentuate the sound of opening of a car trunk.
I enjoy the Seven Deadly Sins, it's not great but it's ok. However, while I'm not prudish at all and love cheesecake as much as anyone, the second season seems even more problematic than the first regarding Melonidas' actions towards Elizabeth. He's just flat out openly groping or group groping her in front of others when she's not comfortable with it.
A big part of it I feel like is the NCU shows are/were set in the period immediately following Avengers 1 and the writers never advanced the MCU timeline, which made them feel very disconnected from the MCU.
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I don't think the movie division ever had any intention of making it a two-way street. The TV shows acknowledge the movies but the movies are the flagship and they only do what they want to do.
It made total sense for Agents of SHIELD to want to get as much of that selling power as they could from the movies, but after Cap 2 they were cut off from the ongoing plot by virtue of, well, SHIELD being blown up, and also Agents of SHIELD's declining ratings made guest starring on it the sort of thing the movie stars likely couldn't be bothered with. Also logistically it must have been a nightmare. After the first season's terrific payoff of SHIELD/Hydra every bit of crossover was cursory or incidental. And honestly the later seasons of the show were better for hiving themselves off.
The Netflix stuff was always, I thought, supposed to be its own thing. Street level heroes that would have great crossover with each other but little to none with the other elements of the MCU. Tonally they were consistent with each other, not the movies.
The Netflix stuff made sense there too because (for various reasons including budgetary) they went with a very low-level, low-stakes approach which makes it actually fairly easy to avoid the necessity of any sort of cross-pollination with the films. Nobody in the films would now or even give a shit about anything that is going on in the Netflix shows and none of the characters involved in the Netflix shows is gonna be rolling with the Avengers.
They feel separate because there are things going on that heavily impact the world of the MCU, but which are never mentioned. There are a good dozen films which had profound, earth shattering events that people would at least sometimes mention in passing, but which just aren't.
Which is fine and all, but it just basically takes place in an alternate universe where the MCU films never happened, aside from the first Avengers.
I'm not sure there's been much of anything that went on in the MCU that would be all that relevant to the Netflix shows after the first Avengers movie. (up until Avengers 3 obviously)
Not directly relevant, but still things that happen that people would talk about. Think about how things like the Berlin wall falling, or Nixon, or Vietnam, or Trump, or the Challenger explosion, or Forrest Gump, or a thousand other things don't directly affect anyone, but are part of our collective consciousness and get referenced in every day conversation. Or how people occasionally talk about current events, what wars are going on, current political happenings.
In the MCU, there has been an explosion of aliens, superheroes, and wizards. The MCU equivalent of the NSA was found to be a front for secret Nazis. An entire city in Africa was lifted out of the ground, sent halfway to space, and almost blew up the world. The world governments made it illegal to be a superhero without registering.
These sorts of things would come up in conversation occasionally, at least in passing. But they don't.
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There is a zero percent chance Disney puts an R or MA rated series on their new service. It’d be too off brand. I do seem to recall there being talk of Hulu being their dumping ground for more adult, not mainline Disney, content now that they essentially own it as well.
It's not? Some stupid region lock, maybe? Cause it's still up here in the USA.
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I don't think the disconnect of the shows from the films has anything to do with the rating. That's because the shows are another division and Marvel doesn't want to make anything but the movies required viewing.
Also, that's the fucking point of the entire show?
It made total sense for Agents of SHIELD to want to get as much of that selling power as they could from the movies, but after Cap 2 they were cut off from the ongoing plot by virtue of, well, SHIELD being blown up, and also Agents of SHIELD's declining ratings made guest starring on it the sort of thing the movie stars likely couldn't be bothered with. Also logistically it must have been a nightmare. After the first season's terrific payoff of SHIELD/Hydra every bit of crossover was cursory or incidental. And honestly the later seasons of the show were better for hiving themselves off.
The Netflix stuff was always, I thought, supposed to be its own thing. Street level heroes that would have great crossover with each other but little to none with the other elements of the MCU. Tonally they were consistent with each other, not the movies.
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The Netflix stuff made sense there too because (for various reasons including budgetary) they went with a very low-level, low-stakes approach which makes it actually fairly easy to avoid the necessity of any sort of cross-pollination with the films. Nobody in the films would now or even give a shit about anything that is going on in the Netflix shows and none of the characters involved in the Netflix shows is gonna be rolling with the Avengers.
It does seem to make people evil tho
Spiderman though.
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I think there's also the inferred issue of
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I thought it was pretty clear based on her
The characters who seem to be against dark magic seem to be against it because you drain power from another source, achieve you usually have to kill. And that seems like a very meh reason for it to be “evil.”
Though it would be nice to see some parralells to things like eating and living. I dont think were going to get those.
Speculation. This is where the tale of Aaravos is going. He was master of all six realms of magic via using dark magic. Dark Magic will be the thing that has imprisoned him.
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Was scouted by Tony Stark. If Tony hadn't been involved, Spiderman would have been much more on the level of the Netflix heroes than the MCU heroes.
I think Shryke absolutely nailed the difference. For example, had Tony instead found Jessica Jones, she'd be a part of the MCU. Her invincibility and super strength would certainly qualify her.
Yeah I wasn't trying to suggest it was a surprise to her, more that it was a specific scenario to imply information to the audience.
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The Avengers include a guy with a bow and arrow and a woman who can lie well
I don’t know anybody who wouldn’t qualify and neither do you
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It felt pretty slow and unfocused.
I want to like it, but Season 2 really needs to pick up the pace.
They feel separate because there are things going on that heavily impact the world of the MCU, but which are never mentioned. There are a good dozen films which had profound, earth shattering events that people would at least sometimes mention in passing, but which just aren't.
Which is fine and all, but it just basically takes place in an alternate universe where the MCU films never happened, aside from the first Avengers.
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Yeah, I don't think it's a matter of qualification so much as, like, scope of ambition. Spiderman is playing in the big leagues because Stark recruited him. Could have happened to like Luke Cage easily. But it didn't and none of the Netflix heroes have like grand global or even city spanning ambitions so they just kinda hang out in their little corner and do their thing. Like most people.
Jessica Jones is not signing up to be a government super-agent and Thor has no reason to come down to Hell's Kitchen and beat up drug dealers.
I'm not sure there's been much of anything that went on in the MCU that would be all that relevant to the Netflix shows after the first Avengers movie. (up until Avengers 3 obviously)
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Not directly relevant, but still things that happen that people would talk about. Think about how things like the Berlin wall falling, or Nixon, or Vietnam, or Trump, or the Challenger explosion, or Forrest Gump, or a thousand other things don't directly affect anyone, but are part of our collective consciousness and get referenced in every day conversation. Or how people occasionally talk about current events, what wars are going on, current political happenings.
In the MCU, there has been an explosion of aliens, superheroes, and wizards. The MCU equivalent of the NSA was found to be a front for secret Nazis. An entire city in Africa was lifted out of the ground, sent halfway to space, and almost blew up the world. The world governments made it illegal to be a superhero without registering.
These sorts of things would come up in conversation occasionally, at least in passing. But they don't.