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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I tried to pace myself but I just binged to episode 13. It's interesting that the show feels a lot more...light hearted? with the introduction of Asuka. Like there is still interesting stuff being revealed slowly but it seems less focused than the first 7 episodes and more like a regular mech anime.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    ah yes, the creamy middle episodes of eva, lulling you into a false sense of security

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    DrascinDrascin Registered User regular

    However, this kinda implies that the only translation Khara cared about was the English one, because believe you me, a lot of other languages translated a bunch of things in very different ways. Which, again, is a posibility, but rather adds to the fuckmuppet points.
    IIRC it's been confirmed that the English translation was the only one (save for the Italian one I think?) translated from the original Japanese. The others were translated from the English translation.

    And yet the Spanish translation has a lot of points where the lines are translated very much not like the English translation. So either someone in the translation team went "...the heck is this" and looked up the original source material, or I don't know, man.
    -Tal wrote: »
    Okay but is that how the japanese line is written, or was that a flourish of the old english translation?

    People keep saying they changed it from X to Y but really X and Y are both being separately derived from Z

    No, it's in English in the original japanese. It's in the NERV logo. It was at no point in Japanese. And unlike a lot of the English in the series, this one is no Engrish, it actually works perfectly as is!

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Oh hey I finished this there Evangelion thing

    I liked it!

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    italianranmaitalianranma Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Post-Evangelion refractory period viewing (through End of Evangelion):

    Wisecrack’s the Philosophy of Evangelion
    https://youtu.be/USKzAj1dOq4

    Jenny’s Jazz cover of Komm, süsser Tod
    https://youtu.be/FBrhjrHcWw0

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    I will say that the ending gave me some serious Synechdoche, New York vibes.

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    italianranmaitalianranma Registered User regular
    Oh shoot, I didn’t think to ask if you’d also watched The End of Evangelion, because those videos both cover it.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    I'm watching it right now...

    Shinji's a real piece of work

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    JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Finished Space Dandy.

    I thought the ending felt a little rushed because it had a cool set up for all of the different episode styles and discordant plotlines that they could've gotten into a little more, but altogether it was still fine and hilarious. Kinda bummed it was only 26 episodes. I'm hoping the "may be continued?" at the end is an actual "to be continued" someday.

    On to rewatch Samurai Champloo to finish out my Watanabe run through. After that I dunno I'll probably never watch a goddamn anime ever again.

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    italianranmaitalianranma Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    I'm watching it right now...

    Shinji's a real piece of work

    I blame the parents.

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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Speaking of mecha anime, anyone else watched/watching Space Battleship Tiramisu?

    I just went through the first six episodes (they clock in at 6m each) and it's... interesting. Super Ace Pilot only feels comfortable where he can be alone, in his cockpit. They're definitely trying for some kind of comedy, mostly absurd situational stuff... just with the backdrop of almost entirely in the cockpit of a mech.

    edit: There is some nudity so far, in case anyone needs that warning, but it's entirely the main dude's butt. The female pilot introduced a bit later is dressed about how you'd expect, though.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Ok I found the ending of EoE weirder than the original end, if anything

    Also I feel like watching it right after the end of the series had some crazy tonal whiplash

    Also I think I need to lie down for a bit now

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    NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Ok I found the ending of EoE weirder than the original end, if anything

    Also I feel like watching it right after the end of the series had some crazy tonal whiplash

    Also I think I need to lie down for a bit now

    the important thing to know about End of Evangelion is that it was made in reaction to fans hating the ending of the original show and being disgusting otaku creeps in general

    it is very mean-spirited

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Also can I just say that I feel that as someone who's understanding of Eva for years was based on its extensive merchandising, now that I've watched it, I find the whole concept of wanting any Eva merchandise utterly bewildering.

    Not because it's bad, mind you, but because it almost feels antithetical to the nature of the show as I perceive it.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Also can I just say that I feel that as someone who's understanding of Eva for years was based on its extensive merchandising, now that I've watched it, I find the whole concept of wanting any Eva merchandise utterly bewildering.

    Not because it's bad, mind you, but because it almost feels antithetical to the nature of the show as I perceive it.

    Che Guevara t-shirts

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Also can I just say that I feel that as someone who's understanding of Eva for years was based on its extensive merchandising, now that I've watched it, I find the whole concept of wanting any Eva merchandise utterly bewildering.

    Not because it's bad, mind you, but because it almost feels antithetical to the nature of the show as I perceive it.

    Che Guevara t-shirts

    ...touché

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    italianranmaitalianranma Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Also can I just say that I feel that as someone who's understanding of Eva for years was based on its extensive merchandising, now that I've watched it, I find the whole concept of wanting any Eva merchandise utterly bewildering.

    Not because it's bad, mind you, but because it almost feels antithetical to the nature of the show as I perceive it.

    would you mind explaining that a little? I never thought of Eva as particularly anti-consumer.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Also can I just say that I feel that as someone who's understanding of Eva for years was based on its extensive merchandising, now that I've watched it, I find the whole concept of wanting any Eva merchandise utterly bewildering.

    Not because it's bad, mind you, but because it almost feels antithetical to the nature of the show as I perceive it.

    would you mind explaining that a little? I never thought of Eva as particularly anti-consumer.

    It's less of an anti-consumer thing, and more of the series beating the viewer over the head over and over again that despite giant mecha being cool in theory, holy shit is it kind of a fucked up terrible thing to have literal teenagers piloting these nightmare machines in practice.

    Like, I could not look at a lunchbox of Rei without feeling sad. Which, maybe I'm weird, but I don't want my lunchbox to depress me.

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    MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Also can I just say that I feel that as someone who's understanding of Eva for years was based on its extensive merchandising, now that I've watched it, I find the whole concept of wanting any Eva merchandise utterly bewildering.

    Not because it's bad, mind you, but because it almost feels antithetical to the nature of the show as I perceive it.

    would you mind explaining that a little? I never thought of Eva as particularly anti-consumer.

    To me it basically feels like the achewood 'I'm the guy who sucks - plus I've got depression' shirt

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    italianranmaitalianranma Registered User regular
    Ah gotcha. I think I bought some of the robots when I was younger, but the real draw for me was the manga and well, this was before the internet, so I would stay up all night and...
    try to translate it with 3 different softcover dictionaries. I had one that was just for Kanji and I remember making lists of all the different meanings “Rei” could have.

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    silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    Demon Slayer episode this week:
    Zenitsu wasn't terrible! In fact, he moved all the way to great!
    it is perhaps unsurprising that you can make an unlikable character likable my just putting them opposed to a far less likable character.

    Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh? You dislike the boar headed person? He's leaning into absolutely mad so well though.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    Demon Slayer episode this week:
    Zenitsu wasn't terrible! In fact, he moved all the way to great!
    it is perhaps unsurprising that you can make an unlikable character likable my just putting them opposed to a far less likable character.

    Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh? You dislike the boar headed person? He's leaning into absolutely mad so well though.

    Knowing what I do the fact that they went with that voice is amazing and the Voice director is a damn hero

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    IsornIsorn Registered User regular
    He also voices Petelgeuse in Re:Zero. He is good at crazy characters.

    Attack on Titan is getting its final season in fall 2020. Got announced after the last episode of this season.

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Gundi wrote: »
    Demon Slayer episode this week:
    Zenitsu wasn't terrible! In fact, he moved all the way to great!
    it is perhaps unsurprising that you can make an unlikable character likable my just putting them opposed to a far less likable character.

    You dissing lord inosuke?

    i dunno who that is
    ah yes, the creamy middle episodes of eva, lulling you into a false sense of security

    a creamy middle for a pudding finale

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    He is the wonderful psychopath in a boar head.
    His super power is skin sensitivity

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    well i mean i know he's a reoccuring character because he's in the OP but so far he's only acted as a stupid ass... er, boar.

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    AstharielAsthariel The Book Eater Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Devil Blade definitely has a wonky pacing, but Im still enjoying the show. I would propably start reading the manga if not for the fact that we still have te second cour before us.

    I really appreciate Tanjiro being a main protagonist because he is a good person, not him being a good person because he is a main hero so he should be good by default.

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    silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    He is the wonderful psychopath in a boar head.
    His super power is skin sensitivity

    Someone who only watches the show wouldn't know that. He hasn't named himself I'm pretty sure.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    Neveron wrote: »
    KetBra wrote: »
    Ok I found the ending of EoE weirder than the original end, if anything

    Also I feel like watching it right after the end of the series had some crazy tonal whiplash

    Also I think I need to lie down for a bit now

    the important thing to know about End of Evangelion is that it was made in reaction to fans hating the ending of the original show and being disgusting otaku creeps in general

    it is very mean-spirited

    well, that and anno's continuing struggles with depression

    that polygon article from a few pages ago is a good read for those who have finished both the series and movie

    https://www.polygon.com/2019/6/19/18683634/neon-genesis-evangelion-hideaki-anno-depression-shinji-anime-characters-movies

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    SyngyneSyngyne Registered User regular
    So I started watching Star Driver.

    This is basically a sillier version of Utena with robots, isn't it?

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    Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    Syngyne wrote: »
    So I started watching Star Driver.

    This is basically a sillier version of Utena with robots, isn't it?

    Oh, you mean Shounen Kakumei Takuto? :P

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Drascin wrote: »

    However, this kinda implies that the only translation Khara cared about was the English one, because believe you me, a lot of other languages translated a bunch of things in very different ways. Which, again, is a posibility, but rather adds to the fuckmuppet points.
    IIRC it's been confirmed that the English translation was the only one (save for the Italian one I think?) translated from the original Japanese. The others were translated from the English translation.

    And yet the Spanish translation has a lot of points where the lines are translated very much not like the English translation. So either someone in the translation team went "...the heck is this" and looked up the original source material, or I don't know, man.
    -Tal wrote: »
    Okay but is that how the japanese line is written, or was that a flourish of the old english translation?

    People keep saying they changed it from X to Y but really X and Y are both being separately derived from Z

    No, it's in English in the original japanese. It's in the NERV logo. It was at no point in Japanese. And unlike a lot of the English in the series, this one is no Engrish, it actually works perfectly as is!

    We're talking about the seele chairman saying it in eoe, right? That line is definitely in japanese

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    this is like one of those situations where you do a machine translation of a phrase back and forth and end up with a different phrase or gibberish because of lack of understanding of the context, where the context here is just looking at the original english phrase in NERV's logo

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    is it supposed to quite the logo? The first part definitely doesn't in any translation

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    is it supposed to quite the logo? The first part definitely doesn't in any translation

    No, the whole thing is a reference to "Pippa Passes." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippa_Passes It's literature. There's only one way it should be phrased, ever.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    why do you think his dialogue is a reference to that famous line from pippa passes, other than that the old translation made it to be

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    I assume the same reason that the show is full of references to judeo-christian mythology: because it sounds cool

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    turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    KetBra wrote: »
    Also can I just say that I feel that as someone who's understanding of Eva for years was based on its extensive merchandising, now that I've watched it, I find the whole concept of wanting any Eva merchandise utterly bewildering.

    Not because it's bad, mind you, but because it almost feels antithetical to the nature of the show as I perceive it.

    would you mind explaining that a little? I never thought of Eva as particularly anti-consumer.

    It's less of an anti-consumer thing, and more of the series beating the viewer over the head over and over again that despite giant mecha being cool in theory, holy shit is it kind of a fucked up terrible thing to have literal teenagers piloting these nightmare machines in practice.

    Like, I could not look at a lunchbox of Rei without feeling sad. Which, maybe I'm weird, but I don't want my lunchbox to depress me.

    I mean,

    This is every Gundam show ever made not named G or Build *something*.

    In the original Gundam, Amuro is a barely responsive mess who isn't eating, stays awake for days, and never really recovers, even into other shows.

    Hell, early in Victory gundam
    An enemy soldier sees the gundam is piloted by a like, 13 year old, has a mental breakdown and blows himself up with a grenade while sobbing.

    Even a more lighthearted shows like ZZ ends with
    Judea being so disgusted with his commanding officers and the Federation that he punched Bright Noah in the face and fucks off to Jupiter for the rest of his life.

    But they sure make a lot o gundam models.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2019
    8th MS team has the shonen protag going “fuck my friends I just wanna liiiiiiiiive”

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    why do you think his dialogue is a reference to that famous line from pippa passes, other than that the old translation made it to be

    So your suggestion is that this is the one time they weren't referencing Paradise Lost or other famous Judea Christian stuff, they just strung words together at random that one time? And used that random string as a logo? That strikes me as unlikely. In the extreme.

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