"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
Or because the warehouse flooded during a hurricane and oops now all the guns ever sold in the area are untraceable.
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
But if something gets misfiled, who knows if anyone will ever see it again when they're looking for it.
Also, indexing only works if you're doing it constantly and keeping everything up-to-date. Somehow, I highly doubt the records have been able to do that.
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
There are ~400 million guns in the US, which is about the number of indexed items in the three largest libraries in the world combined.
A physical system is possible, but not one that reasonably scales to the level required. Especially if you want to be able to index by serial number, by dealer, by zip code, etc.
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
But if something gets misfiled, who knows if anyone will ever see it again when they're looking for it.
Also, indexing only works if you're doing it constantly and keeping everything up-to-date. Somehow, I highly doubt the records have been able to do that.
Sure, and I doubt they have the staffing of the Library of Congress back in the 80's when the Union Catalog was physically published. Just want to point out that this is the kind of thing that was done before Excel and has a whole body of study behind it.
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
But if something gets misfiled, who knows if anyone will ever see it again when they're looking for it.
Also, indexing only works if you're doing it constantly and keeping everything up-to-date. Somehow, I highly doubt the records have been able to do that.
Sure, and I doubt they have the staffing of the Library of Congress back in the 80's when the Union Catalog was physically published. Just want to point out that this is the kind of thing that was done before Excel and has a whole body of study behind it.
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
There's a really fascinating article on a guy in... I want to say West Virginia? He basically oversee's an ATF office tasked with this and went all six-sigma blackbelt on the whole place and really improved the search results and speed. Going to go try and find it.
Edit: Apparently it's a GQ article? It's fairly long but worth the read.
"If complete and utter chaos was lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are bastards'."
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
There's a really fascinating article on a guy in... I want to say West Virginia? He basically oversee's an ATF office tasked with this and went all six-sigma blackbelt on the whole place and really improved the search results and speed. Going to go try and find it.
Edit: Apparently it's a GQ article? It's fairly long but worth the read.
I just read that article and it still sounds like an appalling and deliberate shit show, and he's merely made the best of a bad situation he's been tasked to work with. Like, good for him for overhauling what he can, but nothing in that article makes me think "this is a system that is effective and sufficient for the actual amount of information they have to process."
Speaking to the aside, once upon a time I worked in Discovery (as in, for court documents) and there are machines that can quickly and easily copy and OCR (searchable PDF) any given warehouse of information given the inclination to do so.
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
There's a really fascinating article on a guy in... I want to say West Virginia? He basically oversee's an ATF office tasked with this and went all six-sigma blackbelt on the whole place and really improved the search results and speed. Going to go try and find it.
Edit: Apparently it's a GQ article? It's fairly long but worth the read.
I just read that article and it still sounds like an appalling and deliberate shit show, and he's merely made the best of a bad situation he's been tasked to work with. Like, good for him for overhauling what he can, but nothing in that article makes me think "this is a system that is effective and sufficient for the actual amount of information they have to process."
Yeah, they are legally required to be shit at their job.
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
There's a really fascinating article on a guy in... I want to say West Virginia? He basically oversee's an ATF office tasked with this and went all six-sigma blackbelt on the whole place and really improved the search results and speed. Going to go try and find it.
Edit: Apparently it's a GQ article? It's fairly long but worth the read.
I just read that article and it still sounds like an appalling and deliberate shit show, and he's merely made the best of a bad situation he's been tasked to work with. Like, good for him for overhauling what he can, but nothing in that article makes me think "this is a system that is effective and sufficient for the actual amount of information they have to process."
Oh yeah, 100% agree, particularly with the bolded. It's just nice to see someone with some level of power in regards to how this country treats guns, you know, giving a shit and trying.
"If complete and utter chaos was lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are bastards'."
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
There's a really fascinating article on a guy in... I want to say West Virginia? He basically oversee's an ATF office tasked with this and went all six-sigma blackbelt on the whole place and really improved the search results and speed. Going to go try and find it.
Edit: Apparently it's a GQ article? It's fairly long but worth the read.
"Wait, you don't even have a searchable registry?" is one of those moments that crystallizes just how mad the situation is.
"You lying liberals, it's searchable!" replies the conservative, because, yes, technically, you can physically search through a physical warehouse full of physical boxes full of physical papers. Good luck looking through all that paperwork before the state laws say "if you can't prove any reason to deny them a gun within X days, give them the gun."
So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
There's a really fascinating article on a guy in... I want to say West Virginia? He basically oversee's an ATF office tasked with this and went all six-sigma blackbelt on the whole place and really improved the search results and speed. Going to go try and find it.
Edit: Apparently it's a GQ article? It's fairly long but worth the read.
We have more gun retailers in America than we do supermarkets, more than 55,000 of them. We're talking nearly four times the number of McDonald's.
I did not realize we were that bad. WTF, that is a lot of gun stores.
I'd need to see some hard numbers on that. Specifically what is considered "gun retailer"
As in, did they include every table set up at a gun show a separate "gun retailer"? Because if so we probably have a lot more comic book retailers than supermarkets too.
It is not that surprising when you remember Walmart sells guns and so do a ton of sporting goods chains.
Like supermarkets selling guns was common enough that Evil Dead: Army of Darkness didn't feel the need to explain why S-Mart sells guns.
All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up! See this? This... is my boomstick! - [continuing nonchalantly] - It's a twelve-gauge, double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt-blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right... shop smart: shop S-Mart... Ya got that?!
Edit: Dick's Sporting Goods, which claims to be the nation's largest seller of sporting goods. didn't even stop selling "assault style weapons" until after the Parkland shooting so it isn't even like those sporting goods stores just sell those aimed at hunting. Dick's Sporting Goods got blowback for removing those guns and sales suffered as a result.
Dick’s Sporting Goods has announced it will scale back its gun business.
In an earnings call on March 13, CEO Edward Stack told investors that the sporting goods retailer would stop selling firearms at 125 locations — roughly 17 percent of its stores in the US. Dick’s will replace these firearm sections with other categories, like shoes and clothes, and will also test experiential retail concepts like in-store batting cages.
This significant step away from the gun business comes one year after Dick’s took swift action in response to the February 2018 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 students and staff members dead. In a move that sparked both celebration from gun control activists to celebrate and protests from Second Amendment advocates, the company stopped selling guns to customers younger than 21, and pulled assault rifles and high-capacity magazines from all its Dick’s Sporting Goods Stores as well as from its sub-brand Field & Stream.
Stack made it clear that he felt his company needed to take a strong stance in America’s heated gun control debate.
“Thoughts and prayers are not enough,” he wrote in a widely shared statement after the Parkland shooting. “We have to help solve the problem that’s in front of us. Gun violence is an epidemic that’s taking the lives of too many people, including the brightest hope for the future of America — our kids.”
He hired three lobbyists to push for gun control in Congress, and the company also announced it would destroy all the weapons it had stopped selling.
While Stack stated clearly that he is a supporter of the Second Amendment and a gun owner himself, the company’s actions angered the gun rights community. The National Rifle Association painted Dick’s as an enemy, tweeting that it was “punishing law-abiding citizens,” and the National Shooting Sports Foundation revoked the company’s membership.
"Protests from Second Amendment advocates" because a private business decided to stop selling certain goods in its stores like the Second Amendment demands stores make all guns easily available.
National Shooting Sports Foundation: Because what are shooting sports without high capacity magazines?
It is not that surprising when you remember Walmart sells guns and so do a ton of sporting goods chains.
Like supermarkets selling guns was common enough that Evil Dead: Army of Darkness didn't feel the need to explain why S-Mart sells guns.
All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up! See this? This... is my boomstick! - [continuing nonchalantly] - It's a twelve-gauge, double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt-blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right... shop smart: shop S-Mart... Ya got that?!
Still seems high.
Wal Mart/Sams Club has 5.358 locations
Dicks Sporting Goods has 850
Bass Pro - 94
Gander Mountain - 162
so about 6,500 stores
Leaving 48,500 gun retailers.
970 in each state.
Which, i mean i suppose is possible, but i'd have to see some real detailed numbers there.
At its highest point in the last 10 years, McDonalds had 14,339 locations (or about 288 in each state) and i feel like its WAY easier to find a McD's than a gun store.
All this doesnt mean we dont have a serious number-of-guns problem, i'm just spurious of the 55k "retailer" claim.
Honestly I'm pretty sure the majority of americans have no idea how fucked our gun laws are in this country and how behind the 8 ball any kind of law enforcement is with regards to fire arms due to how many crazy things are perfectly legal.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It is not that surprising when you remember Walmart sells guns and so do a ton of sporting goods chains.
Like supermarkets selling guns was common enough that Evil Dead: Army of Darkness didn't feel the need to explain why S-Mart sells guns.
All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up! See this? This... is my boomstick! - [continuing nonchalantly] - It's a twelve-gauge, double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt-blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right... shop smart: shop S-Mart... Ya got that?!
Still seems high.
Wal Mart/Sams Club has 5.358 locations
Dicks Sporting Goods has 850
Bass Pro - 94
Gander Mountain - 162
so about 6,500 stores
Leaving 48,500 gun retailers.
970 in each state.
Which, i mean i suppose is possible, but i'd have to see some real detailed numbers there.
At its highest point in the last 10 years, McDonalds had 14,339 locations (or about 288 in each state) and i feel like its WAY easier to find a McD's than a gun store.
All this doesnt mean we dont have a serious number-of-guns problem, i'm just spurious of the 55k "retailer" claim.
My dad is a British gun nut and "going to the gun store" was something that involved driving quite a long way to a somewhat intimidating place (where I got archery supplies, not guns personally). Having guns available in grocery stores sounds like something a parody dystopia would have.
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I see a number of the locations are residential. I suspect that this is a list of all FFLs, which may include the "Curios and Relics" category, which allows private collectors of antique firearms to receive them via mail, without needing to go through a "normal" gun store. It's $30 and an FBI background check to get that license, but you can't sell firearms using it.
OOooo Pawn shops is an interesting take i hadnt considered. Forgot about them.
Quick glance nets 11,000 pawn shops in America.
Add to the big retailers, we get 17,500 accounted for (allowing, of course, the idea that ALL pawn shops sell guns, all wal marts, etc ....which isnt true but...anyway...)
Is it that everyone who sells a few firearms has a better "way" if they classify themselves as a gun retailer?
Also keep in mind that the requirements to actually obtain an FFL aren't really all that stringent.
Each responsible person has to pass a background check, have a "physical location" where you will be conducting business, and have an interview with a local ATF agent.
Technically the physical location is supposed to be a commercial storefront, but we used to call these operations kitchen-table FFLs because it was usually just some dude who "opened" his house for business for like an hour on Saturday. These kinds of places mainly operate as a way for guys and friends to purchase and transfer firearms more cheaply.
Also keep in mind that the requirements to actually obtain an FFL aren't really all that stringent.
Each responsible person has to pass a background check, have a "physical location" where you will be conducting business, and have an interview with a local ATF agent.
Technically the physical location is supposed to be a commercial storefront, but we used to call these operations kitchen-table FFLs because it was usually just some dude who "opened" his house for business for like an hour on Saturday. These kinds of places mainly operate as a way for guys and friends to purchase and transfer firearms more cheaply.
AHhhhhhhhh yes.
That would explain it then.
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Shooter in Philly is in custody, say police. No deaths, happily.
One dead, five injured (including shooter) in the other mass shooting in the Ohio valley last night. Not sure if the random guy the cops shot count as one of the injured
So in the crime procedurals I watch where they are able to identify who a gun is registered to right away, is that bullshit?
Is there like some intern looking through thousands of written entries of serial numbers or some shit???
Crime procedurals are bullshit in general. Assume anything that completes instantly on the show really takes weeks, and you'll at least be closer to the truth.
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Or because the warehouse flooded during a hurricane and oops now all the guns ever sold in the area are untraceable.
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So, as a librarian, it isn't all that impossible to create a useful catalog for physical forms using index cards that cross reference 5 subject headings and a Union controlled vocabulary.
It's just...you know, a lot harder and more expensive than a database.
But if something gets misfiled, who knows if anyone will ever see it again when they're looking for it.
Also, indexing only works if you're doing it constantly and keeping everything up-to-date. Somehow, I highly doubt the records have been able to do that.
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There are ~400 million guns in the US, which is about the number of indexed items in the three largest libraries in the world combined.
A physical system is possible, but not one that reasonably scales to the level required. Especially if you want to be able to index by serial number, by dealer, by zip code, etc.
Sure, and I doubt they have the staffing of the Library of Congress back in the 80's when the Union Catalog was physically published. Just want to point out that this is the kind of thing that was done before Excel and has a whole body of study behind it.
Also they aren't allowed to index.
There's a really fascinating article on a guy in... I want to say West Virginia? He basically oversee's an ATF office tasked with this and went all six-sigma blackbelt on the whole place and really improved the search results and speed. Going to go try and find it.
Edit: Apparently it's a GQ article? It's fairly long but worth the read.
https://www.gq.com/story/inside-federal-bureau-of-way-too-many-guns
I just read that article and it still sounds like an appalling and deliberate shit show, and he's merely made the best of a bad situation he's been tasked to work with. Like, good for him for overhauling what he can, but nothing in that article makes me think "this is a system that is effective and sufficient for the actual amount of information they have to process."
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Yeah, they are legally required to be shit at their job.
Any sort of "common sense" gun reform should include this at the fucking top of the list.
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Oh yeah, 100% agree, particularly with the bolded. It's just nice to see someone with some level of power in regards to how this country treats guns, you know, giving a shit and trying.
I did not realize we were that bad. WTF, that is a lot of gun stores.
I'd need to see some hard numbers on that. Specifically what is considered "gun retailer"
As in, did they include every table set up at a gun show a separate "gun retailer"? Because if so we probably have a lot more comic book retailers than supermarkets too.
Like supermarkets selling guns was common enough that Evil Dead: Army of Darkness didn't feel the need to explain why S-Mart sells guns.
Edit: Dick's Sporting Goods, which claims to be the nation's largest seller of sporting goods. didn't even stop selling "assault style weapons" until after the Parkland shooting so it isn't even like those sporting goods stores just sell those aimed at hunting. Dick's Sporting Goods got blowback for removing those guns and sales suffered as a result.
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/13/18264023/dicks-sporting-goods-pulls-guns-from-125-stores "Protests from Second Amendment advocates" because a private business decided to stop selling certain goods in its stores like the Second Amendment demands stores make all guns easily available.
National Shooting Sports Foundation: Because what are shooting sports without high capacity magazines?
It's beyond absurd that the department that nominally takes care of firearms is prevented from utililizing a computer to organize their records.
Which is why many of us feel that the gun rights community does not act in good faith.
They have little reason to since any ground given would infringe on their gluttony.
Still seems high.
Wal Mart/Sams Club has 5.358 locations
Dicks Sporting Goods has 850
Bass Pro - 94
Gander Mountain - 162
so about 6,500 stores
Leaving 48,500 gun retailers.
970 in each state.
Which, i mean i suppose is possible, but i'd have to see some real detailed numbers there.
At its highest point in the last 10 years, McDonalds had 14,339 locations (or about 288 in each state) and i feel like its WAY easier to find a McD's than a gun store.
All this doesnt mean we dont have a serious number-of-guns problem, i'm just spurious of the 55k "retailer" claim.
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Yeah.
It's more like 64k.
https://www.safer-america.com/firearmsandfraps/
Don't forget the sheer number of pawn shops that also sell firearms.
It's a tattoo shop.
It's the single misidentified shop in the 50+ hits I got in my city of 300k.
Quick glance nets 11,000 pawn shops in America.
Add to the big retailers, we get 17,500 accounted for (allowing, of course, the idea that ALL pawn shops sell guns, all wal marts, etc ....which isnt true but...anyway...)
Is it that everyone who sells a few firearms has a better "way" if they classify themselves as a gun retailer?
That many brick and mortor stores seems.....
Each responsible person has to pass a background check, have a "physical location" where you will be conducting business, and have an interview with a local ATF agent.
Technically the physical location is supposed to be a commercial storefront, but we used to call these operations kitchen-table FFLs because it was usually just some dude who "opened" his house for business for like an hour on Saturday. These kinds of places mainly operate as a way for guys and friends to purchase and transfer firearms more cheaply.
AHhhhhhhhh yes.
That would explain it then.
When I did the same search for my area, I also got a tattoo supply store.
4 gun stores in a ~10 minute drive of me, with 1 being air guns.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/health/cigarettes-warnings-fda.html
One dead, five injured (including shooter) in the other mass shooting in the Ohio valley last night. Not sure if the random guy the cops shot count as one of the injured
Depends how they're marketed? Most paintball places I see take pains *not* to use gun language but that could be a regionalism.
So in the crime procedurals I watch where they are able to identify who a gun is registered to right away, is that bullshit?
Is there like some intern looking through thousands of written entries of serial numbers or some shit???
Crime procedurals are bullshit in general. Assume anything that completes instantly on the show really takes weeks, and you'll at least be closer to the truth.
Wait what the fuck, you can't actually do that?
There are mass produced items with the primary function of 'Murder Weapon', and you can't fucking search a database of them?!
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