Robert Eggers' next film is, indeed, The Northman. Alexander Skarsgaard approached Eggers with the initial idea, and will produce
A grounded story set in Iceland at the turn of the 10th century, centering on a Nordic prince (Alex) who seeks revenge for the death of his dad (Bill Skarsgaard is in talks to join the film for this role)
If talks progress and deals are made, Nicole Kidman will play the mom
Talks are at various stages with Willem Dafoe and Anya Taylor-Joy to join the cast as well
Out of some strange twist of fate The Lighthouse is showing at my local theater. I am shook.
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Ugh whatever it was the last thread but my point was that the scene in Midsommar is a rape scene, not an "awkward sex scene" and framing it that way is very gross.
Ugh whatever it was the last thread but my point was that the scene in Midsommar is a rape scene, not an "awkward sex scene" and framing it that way is very gross.
I don't agree it's that black and white.
He shows up there to have sex
He feels conflicted about it, and they hand him some drugs to loosen up
He says yolo and chugs it and goes to have sex
Although it's certainly fraught. And before anyone gets really mad at me I went to the bathroom a few times during the movie so maybe I missed something
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Ugh whatever it was the last thread but my point was that the scene in Midsommar is a rape scene, not an "awkward sex scene" and framing it that way is very gross.
You know what? You're right it is. I didn't really think about it because it's not so overt but it definitely is not consenting.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Ugh whatever it was the last thread but my point was that the scene in Midsommar is a rape scene, not an "awkward sex scene" and framing it that way is very gross.
I don't agree it's that black and white.
He shows up there to have sex
He feels conflicted about it, and they hand him some drugs to loosen up
He says yolo and chugs it and goes to have sex
Although it's certainly fraught. And before anyone gets really mad at me I went to the bathroom a few times during the movie so maybe I missed something
I think he goes there for sex but when they drug him they take away his ability to consent.
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
Ugh whatever it was the last thread but my point was that the scene in Midsommar is a rape scene, not an "awkward sex scene" and framing it that way is very gross.
I don't agree it's that black and white.
He shows up there to have sex
He feels conflicted about it, and they hand him some drugs to loosen up
He says yolo and chugs it and goes to have sex
Although it's certainly fraught. And before anyone gets really mad at me I went to the bathroom a few times during the movie so maybe I missed something
I would have to rewatch the movie (which I do not want to do) to really get into it, but Midsommar stuff:
First off, the whole situation is super coercive. I mean, we're talking about an environment where the cult controls all access - if Christian refuses to have sex, it's not like he can just catch a cab and go back to Stockholm. Their village is their rules, and he's already seen them kill people in accordance with those rules, so who is to say how severe the punishment could be for refusal.
Second, I definitely did not see him taking the drugs as willingly as you did. Partially because of the whole situation - he was handed a drug cocktail, not knowing exactly what was in it, and expected to consume it. Even if he is drinking it willingly, he doesn't know what's in it or what they are intending for him going forward - he might think that this is the same garden variety hallucinogens as earlier in the movie, which it does not seem to be.
Finally, he had what I took to be some clear reticence during the scene itself, at which point he was physically forced by one of the women to continue the act.
Ugh whatever it was the last thread but my point was that the scene in Midsommar is a rape scene, not an "awkward sex scene" and framing it that way is very gross.
I don't agree it's that black and white.
He shows up there to have sex
He feels conflicted about it, and they hand him some drugs to loosen up
He says yolo and chugs it and goes to have sex
Although it's certainly fraught. And before anyone gets really mad at me I went to the bathroom a few times during the movie so maybe I missed something
I would have to rewatch the movie (which I do not want to do) to really get into it, but Midsommar stuff:
First off, the whole situation is super coercive. I mean, we're talking about an environment where the cult controls all access - if Christian refuses to have sex, it's not like he can just catch a cab and go back to Stockholm. Their village is their rules, and he's already seen them kill people in accordance with those rules, so who is to say how severe the punishment could be for refusal.
Second, I definitely did not see him taking the drugs as willingly as you did. Partially because of the whole situation - he was handed a drug cocktail, not knowing exactly what was in it, and expected to consume it. Even if he is drinking it willingly, he doesn't know what's in it or what they are intending for him going forward - he might think that this is the same garden variety hallucinogens as earlier in the movie, which it does not seem to be.
Finally, he had what I took to be some clear reticence during the scene itself, at which point he was physically forced by one of the women to continue the act.
if i am remembering the order of events right it's:
drug cocktail
then dinner then being lured to the barn after things have kicked in
he had already lost the ability to consent before he even decided to have sex
HBO Max has acquired the streaming rights for all of Studio Ghibli's films
That's kind of hilarious considering that news item going around just a couple days ago saying Ghibli didn't think they'd ever put their movies on a streaming service.
HBO Max has acquired the streaming rights for all of Studio Ghibli's films
That's kind of hilarious considering that news item going around just a couple days ago saying Ghibli didn't think they'd ever put their movies on a streaming service.
Either they are just incredible trolls or WB offered a truly outrageous amount of money
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Ugh whatever it was the last thread but my point was that the scene in Midsommar is a rape scene, not an "awkward sex scene" and framing it that way is very gross.
I don't agree it's that black and white.
He shows up there to have sex
He feels conflicted about it, and they hand him some drugs to loosen up
He says yolo and chugs it and goes to have sex
Although it's certainly fraught. And before anyone gets really mad at me I went to the bathroom a few times during the movie so maybe I missed something
I think he goes there for sex but when they drug him they take away his ability to consent.
In the director's cut he allegedly has a lot more agency in that decision and even makes his own advances towards her earlier in the film.
The director's cut also apparently makes it much more clear that he and Florence Pugh's character are in an absolutely toxic relationship with him being blatantly emotionally abusive to her. Not that that makes it better but it does change the dynamic enough to be of note imo.
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
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It sounds like the director's cut might have been a better film, because I did not come away from Midsommar feeling at all good about Florence Pugh's character
She wasn't as bad as the rest of them, but her relationship with Christian and the way that she treated him felt fucked up to me
And especially as a movie that the director has straight said represented a break up of his own, this threw some flags in the air for me
Really? That's interesting.
I identified pretty strongly with her character. I do think she was a bit of an enabler but ultimately feel that she was victimized more than anybody else in the film via her sister, boyfriend/his friends.
Really? That's interesting.
I identified pretty strongly with her character. I do think she was a bit of an enabler but ultimately feel that she was victimized more than anybody else in the film via her sister, boyfriend/his friends.
I think that is the standard/desired effect. And I could see how the movie would be a very different experience for you if that were the case.
My partner and I were leaning over to each other and talking about what a piece of work she was from the very beginning.
Yeah those are good points. That makes me not really like the movie even more. Ugh
Yeah I loved Hereditary but I am pretty dang tepid on Midsommar
Ari Aster's next movie is going to be a biiiig question for me
hmmm.
The rape was one of those things that to me actually added considerable depth when I thought about the movie afterwards, much like the multifaceted racism. Swap out Christian's role for a woman and it's obviously a hideous violation of consent. So the fact that people read the scene as 'awkward sex' is, to me, an interesting reflection on how our society thinks about power, sex, and consent.
Now I don't wanna project any of that onto Aster unless he's explicitly stated that's what he was going for, but regardless of intention, I find it another fascinating thread to pull on when I think about Midsommar as a whole.
That kind of framework analysis is an element of the meta-aspect of movies that I find enjoyable above and beyond what's actually on screen, which in turn influences how I feel about the experience of seeing them. It's possible I loved Midsommar in part because of all the problematic elements, because it gave me something really meaty to chew over later.
Really? That's interesting.
I identified pretty strongly with her character. I do think she was a bit of an enabler but ultimately feel that she was victimized more than anybody else in the film via her sister, boyfriend/his friends.
I think that is the standard/desired effect. And I could see how the movie would be a very different experience for you if that were the case.
My partner and I were leaning over to each other and talking about what a piece of work she was from the very beginning.
I think perception of her character is something that's gonna be heavily influenced by the baggage you bring to the movie. FWIW I thought she was extremely sympathetic and while it was a toxic relationship with heavy codependence on her end that both of them should have ended long ago, even in the cut I saw it was obvious Christian was a gaslighting abusive piece of shit.
Really? That's interesting.
I identified pretty strongly with her character. I do think she was a bit of an enabler but ultimately feel that she was victimized more than anybody else in the film via her sister, boyfriend/his friends.
I think that is the standard/desired effect. And I could see how the movie would be a very different experience for you if that were the case.
My partner and I were leaning over to each other and talking about what a piece of work she was from the very beginning.
I think perception of her character is something that's gonna be heavily influenced by the baggage you bring to the movie. FWIW I thought she was extremely sympathetic and while it was a toxic relationship with heavy codependence on her end that both of them should have ended long ago, even in the cut I saw it was obvious Christian was a gaslighting abusive piece of shit.
Midsommar
Yeah I saw Dani and Christian as deeply codependent people who were essentially doing the same thing to one another in slightly different ways, only for one to be framed as the film's hero and the other as its greatest monster.
Which I think could be an interesting tack to take with a movie if it was done with that intentional end, but Midsommar did not feel like that movie.
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
Yeah those are good points. That makes me not really like the movie even more. Ugh
Yeah I loved Hereditary but I am pretty dang tepid on Midsommar
Ari Aster's next movie is going to be a biiiig question for me
hmmm.
The rape was one of those things that to me actually added considerable depth when I thought about the movie afterwards, much like the multifaceted racism. Swap out Christian's role for a woman and it's obviously a hideous violation of consent. So the fact that people read the scene as 'awkward sex' is, to me, an interesting reflection on how our society thinks about power, sex, and consent.
Now I don't wanna project any of that onto Aster unless he's explicitly stated that's what he was going for, but regardless of intention, I find it another fascinating thread to pull on when I think about Midsommar as a whole.
That kind of framework analysis is an element of the meta-aspect of movies that I find enjoyable above and beyond what's actually on screen, which in turn influences how I feel about the experience of seeing them. It's possible I loved Midsommar in part because of all the problematic elements, because it gave me something really meaty to chew over later.
I think it's an interesting conversation to have and also I know it is a conversation I have felt like I have had to have a lot of times since the movie came out. So some of my distaste for it at this point is absolutely a form of weariness.
On a personal level, I can relate to the idea that having parents die and close family go through severe mental health issues is gonna make you cling onto whatever support structures you have, even when it's clearly not healthy. So that was the framework I was coming from wrt Dani's emotional state.
Basically the film managed to hit a lot of personal buttons for me, which is definitely not gonna be representative for everyone.
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Robert Eggers' next film is, indeed, The Northman. Alexander Skarsgaard approached Eggers with the initial idea, and will produce
A grounded story set in Iceland at the turn of the 10th century, centering on a Nordic prince (Alex) who seeks revenge for the death of his dad (Bill Skarsgaard is in talks to join the film for this role)
If talks progress and deals are made, Nicole Kidman will play the mom
Talks are at various stages with Willem Dafoe and Anya Taylor-Joy to join the cast as well
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Hell yeah I'll watch it.
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He feels conflicted about it, and they hand him some drugs to loosen up
He says yolo and chugs it and goes to have sex
You know what? You're right it is. I didn't really think about it because it's not so overt but it definitely is not consenting.
I think he goes there for sex but when they drug him they take away his ability to consent.
I would have to rewatch the movie (which I do not want to do) to really get into it, but Midsommar stuff:
Second, I definitely did not see him taking the drugs as willingly as you did. Partially because of the whole situation - he was handed a drug cocktail, not knowing exactly what was in it, and expected to consume it. Even if he is drinking it willingly, he doesn't know what's in it or what they are intending for him going forward - he might think that this is the same garden variety hallucinogens as earlier in the movie, which it does not seem to be.
Finally, he had what I took to be some clear reticence during the scene itself, at which point he was physically forced by one of the women to continue the act.
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I was already getting it but this just means I'm getting it more.
drug cocktail
then dinner
then being lured to the barn after things have kicked in
he had already lost the ability to consent before he even decided to have sex
That's kind of hilarious considering that news item going around just a couple days ago saying Ghibli didn't think they'd ever put their movies on a streaming service.
that is legitimately stunning
and this article was horrendously timed
Yeah I loved Hereditary but I am pretty dang tepid on Midsommar
Ari Aster's next movie is going to be a biiiig question for me
Looks like they took it down
In the director's cut he allegedly has a lot more agency in that decision and even makes his own advances towards her earlier in the film.
The director's cut also apparently makes it much more clear that he and Florence Pugh's character are in an absolutely toxic relationship with him being blatantly emotionally abusive to her. Not that that makes it better but it does change the dynamic enough to be of note imo.
Nah i just screwed up the link
She wasn't as bad as the rest of them, but her relationship with Christian and the way that she treated him felt fucked up to me
And especially as a movie that the director has straight said represented a break up of his own, this threw some flags in the air for me
I identified pretty strongly with her character. I do think she was a bit of an enabler but ultimately feel that she was victimized more than anybody else in the film via her sister, boyfriend/his friends.
I think that is the standard/desired effect. And I could see how the movie would be a very different experience for you if that were the case.
My partner and I were leaning over to each other and talking about what a piece of work she was from the very beginning.
like i've said before, seeing interviews with the guy definitely didn't help things, but i get that portion's more on me
hmmm.
That kind of framework analysis is an element of the meta-aspect of movies that I find enjoyable above and beyond what's actually on screen, which in turn influences how I feel about the experience of seeing them. It's possible I loved Midsommar in part because of all the problematic elements, because it gave me something really meaty to chew over later.
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I think perception of her character is something that's gonna be heavily influenced by the baggage you bring to the movie. FWIW I thought she was extremely sympathetic and while it was a toxic relationship with heavy codependence on her end that both of them should have ended long ago, even in the cut I saw it was obvious Christian was a gaslighting abusive piece of shit.
I definitely really liked it and still feel strongly that it's a great movie but have almost no desire to ever see it again.
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a podcast with pictures
no, no, that's a powerpoint.
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Which I think could be an interesting tack to take with a movie if it was done with that intentional end, but Midsommar did not feel like that movie.
I think it's an interesting conversation to have and also I know it is a conversation I have felt like I have had to have a lot of times since the movie came out. So some of my distaste for it at this point is absolutely a form of weariness.
no a powerpoint is a nickelodeon on the computer
Basically the film managed to hit a lot of personal buttons for me, which is definitely not gonna be representative for everyone.