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    NorgothNorgoth cardiffRegistered User regular
    You can build R/W Zenith Cycle with no rares and it would do fine.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Man I wish Terror of the Peaks was not a bad card

    Because right now it just sorta isn't very good. I cannot get it to work. It needs haste.

    incidentally that Terror of the Peaks and Baneslayer Angel exist in this Standard and are... like not good cards? Is crazy

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Norgoth wrote: »
    You can build R/W Zenith Cycle with no rares and it would do fine.

    yes but then you're playing solitaire instead of MTG

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Norgoth wrote: »
    You can build R/W Zenith Cycle with no rares and it would do fine.

    yes but then you're playing solitaire instead of MTG

    Good, the worst part is the other person

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    jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    Ooof, I just had an opponent punt a game because they forgot that Stormwing Entity has a CMC of 5, and activated their Ugin for -2 thinking it would clear my board.

    Also Ugin is such a house in Standard like goddamn. I was absolutely not coming back from that Ugin had they activated it correctly.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Norgoth wrote: »
    You can build R/W Zenith Cycle with no rares and it would do fine.

    yes but then you're playing solitaire instead of MTG

    Good, the worst part is the other person

    magic might not be the game for you
    Solar wrote: »
    Man I wish Terror of the Peaks was not a bad card

    Because right now it just sorta isn't very good. I cannot get it to work. It needs haste.

    incidentally that Terror of the Peaks and Baneslayer Angel exist in this Standard and are... like not good cards? Is crazy

    terror of the peaks is a limited house, and a card in need of a deck in standard

    baneslayer is way too slow for standard, and has been for a long time, it also doesn't DO anything aside from turn sideways

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    baneslayer can be an ok control finisher, much like Lyra

    but right now control decks have better, faster, stronger finishers like Uro and dream trawler

    fuck gendered marketing
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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    I've seen a few experimental Terror decks, one that uses Genesis Ultimatum to poop a bunch of permanents onto the battlefield, potentially including Terror, Fiery Emancipation, Beanstalk Giant, Uro, etc., and can sometimes be a one-spell kill. I'd like to try tinkering with a bunch of Quasiduplicates/Mythos to make a bunch of Terror copies. Maybe even Mirror March.

    But yeah those don't seem like they would be top or 2nd-tier decks.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Norgoth wrote: »
    You can build R/W Zenith Cycle with no rares and it would do fine.

    yes but then you're playing solitaire instead of MTG

    Good, the worst part is the other person

    magic might not be the game for you
    Solar wrote: »
    Man I wish Terror of the Peaks was not a bad card

    Because right now it just sorta isn't very good. I cannot get it to work. It needs haste.

    incidentally that Terror of the Peaks and Baneslayer Angel exist in this Standard and are... like not good cards? Is crazy

    terror of the peaks is a limited house, and a card in need of a deck in standard

    baneslayer is way too slow for standard, and has been for a long time, it also doesn't DO anything aside from turn sideways

    Yeah but that's what I mean. They're both too slow, and it's crazy that we're at that point in Standard

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    astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    Baneslayer seems like much more of a sideboard card these days against aggro.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    astrobstrd wrote: »
    Baneslayer seems like much more of a sideboard card these days against aggro.

    In a lot of formats I think that would be true, but in current Standard I think if your turn five is Baneslayer and their turn five is Embercleave you're still gonna lose.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Norgoth wrote: »
    You can build R/W Zenith Cycle with no rares and it would do fine.

    yes but then you're playing solitaire instead of MTG

    Good, the worst part is the other person

    magic might not be the game for you
    Solar wrote: »
    Man I wish Terror of the Peaks was not a bad card

    Because right now it just sorta isn't very good. I cannot get it to work. It needs haste.

    incidentally that Terror of the Peaks and Baneslayer Angel exist in this Standard and are... like not good cards? Is crazy

    terror of the peaks is a limited house, and a card in need of a deck in standard

    baneslayer is way too slow for standard, and has been for a long time, it also doesn't DO anything aside from turn sideways

    Or zenith fires is the deck for me

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Baneslayer in standard was played as a win con for control decks right?

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Baneslayer in standard was played as a win con for control decks right?

    It was more a top-end for midrange decks and anti-aggro sideboard for control, at least based on PT2010 and 2011.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Snowbear wrote: »
    any recommendations for a budget MTGA standard deck? preferably something i can upgrade from the starter decks you are given?

    @Snowbear I tried to use cards that came in the starter decks as much as possible, and only added uncommons from sets that are not rotating out of standard in the fall so that if you're just starting out and don't have many wildcards you'll at least know you have these cards for the next year.

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    Uncommons to craft (in order of how useful I think they are)
    4x Sprite Dragon
    4x Riddleform
    4x Heartfire Immolator

    Common or starter deck alternatives if you don't have the wildcards:
    Chandra's Spitfire
    Spellgorger Weird
    1x Dreadhorde Arcanist (starter deck)


    Rare Cards that would be useful if you wanted to craft them:
    Bonecrusher Giant (damage instant + a good body, insane value in one card)
    Stormwing Entity (a lot of turns this will be a 3/3 flyer for 1U, with prowess and scry 2 on top of that)

    I don't really recommend crafting the shock lands (dual lands that give you the option to pay 2 life to enter untapped) at this point as they're rotating out in the fall, but if you have any red/blue dual lands absolutely include them, and Temple of Enlightenment (red/blue scry land) just got reprinted so that's safe to craft.

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    SnowbearSnowbear Registered User regular
    See i thought the rotation was just happening with the new core set coming out

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    SnowbearSnowbear Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Snowbear wrote: »
    any recommendations for a budget MTGA standard deck? preferably something i can upgrade from the starter decks you are given?

    @Snowbear I tried to use cards that came in the starter decks as much as possible, and only added uncommons from sets that are not rotating out of standard in the fall so that if you're just starting out and don't have many wildcards you'll at least know you have these cards for the next year.

    h8202shqe7dg.png

    Uncommons to craft (in order of how useful I think they are)
    4x Sprite Dragon
    4x Riddleform
    4x Heartfire Immolator

    Common or starter deck alternatives if you don't have the wildcards:
    Chandra's Spitfire
    Spellgorger Weird
    1x Dreadhorde Arcanist (starter deck)


    Rare Cards that would be useful if you wanted to craft them:
    Bonecrusher Giant (damage instant + a good body, insane value in one card)
    Stormwing Entity (a lot of turns this will be a 3/3 flyer for 1U, with prowess and scry 2 on top of that)

    I don't really recommend crafting the shock lands (dual lands that give you the option to pay 2 life to enter untapped) at this point as they're rotating out in the fall, but if you have any red/blue dual lands absolutely include them, and Temple of Enlightenment (red/blue scry land) just got reprinted so that's safe to craft.

    Thanks for the list so much, its a big help!

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    ugin seems like fucking agony to play against. i have yet to play a game against it where it doesn't just win the second it hits the board

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Snowbear wrote: »
    See i thought the rotation was just happening with the new core set coming out

    Rotation always happens with the fall release, never before (with one historical exception).

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    ugin seems like fucking agony to play against. i have yet to play a game against it where it doesn't just win the second it hits the board

    Yeah Ugin is vile

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    ugin seems like fucking agony to play against. i have yet to play a game against it where it doesn't just win the second it hits the board

    I played a game where I managed to remove 2 Ugins back to back and was looking to close out but then Ugin number 3 came down

    And it’s like really? Fuck you

    fuck gendered marketing
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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    A 7 mana card better win the game or close to it

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    He's 8 mana

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    I made an all-artifact* deck specifically to stick it to all the bant ugin decks

    of course, I haven't run into one with it since I made the deck, but some day...

    (also I absolutely put Ugin in the deck, I'd be crazy not to)

    *= two copies of All That Glitters for when I want to swing for a big finisher

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    He's 8 mana

    Fat fingered on my phone, but yeah. Giant walkers are stronk for a reason

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    I had a fun mostly-artifact deck with Steel Overseer and Ozolith before M21, might try to cook up a new version of it. Fun fact, if there are a bunch of +1/+1 counters on Ozolith and you don't have any creatures to make use of them, you can just creature-fy the Ozolith with Karn or Animating Faerie and smash face.

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    Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    Might be hard to see in the image, but I finally did The Thing. Wurm'd a post-Scapeshift board.
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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    eight mana "win the game" cards still aren't actually fun to play against tho

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Ugin is counterable and destroyable. If your opponent is straight ramp then they are vulnerable for at least five turns, if they are trying to control you out, then they will take many turns to cast him. He’s fine

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited July 2020
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Ugin is counterable and destroyable. If your opponent is straight ramp then they are vulnerable for at least five turns, if they are trying to control you out, then they will take many turns to cast him. He’s fine

    Yeah I'm just decrying the situation where my opponent had 3 ugins in hand

    because a repeatable one-sided board wipe that doesn't trigger death effects sucks butts

    edit: if his -x destroyed instead of exiled he'd be way more fair while still being op as fuck

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Ugin is counterable and destroyable. If your opponent is straight ramp then they are vulnerable for at least five turns, if they are trying to control you out, then they will take many turns to cast him. He’s fine

    Yeah I'm just decrying the situation where my opponent had 3 ugins in hand

    because a repeatable one-sided board wipe that doesn't trigger death effects sucks butts

    Oh yeah absolutely. I was addressing complaints about the cards power level

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    @Snowbear another route to look at is, have you cracked any mythics/rares you'd like to mess with? Easy to stuff commons around some of them.

    Arena should still be a bit kinder in matchups too when deck is low rares/low on meta cards

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Might be hard to see in the image, but I finally did The Thing. Wurm'd a post-Scapeshift board.
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    For future reference, you should have the option to view the battlefield after a match.

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    MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    Currently finding lots of fun and profit with Snackdos. Turns out most people don't have plans for you getting your board set up by turn 3 and having them down by 6-7 by then.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    There's a leak out in the wild, supposedly by the same person who got Jeskai Narset right.
    Golgari Nissa 2BG

    Landfall: Put a loyalty counter on Nissa

    +1: Untap a land you control, it becomes a 3/3 elemental with haste and menace until EoT

    -5: Put a creature CMC <= # of lands you control from your hand or graveyard onto the battlefield with two +1/+1 counters on it.

    4 starting loyalty.

    Seems pretty deece. With Fabled Passage in the format, or as long as there's another fetchland, she's a T5 reanimation spell that leaves a PW behind to keep churning out attackers, though she can't cheat out bigger stuff. And for a general golgari aggro plan, she's a decent beater that's really hard to destroy, so playing her T4 as a pseudo-questing beast seems reasonable.

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    ZeroCowZeroCow Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    There's a leak out in the wild, supposedly by the same person who got Jeskai Narset right.
    Golgari Nissa 2BG

    Landfall: Put a loyalty counter on Nissa

    +1: Untap a land you control, it becomes a 3/3 elemental with haste and menace until EoT

    -5: Put a creature CMC <= # of lands you control from your hand or graveyard onto the battlefield with two +1/+1 counters on it.

    4 starting loyalty.

    Seems pretty deece. With Fabled Passage in the format, or as long as there's another fetchland, she's a T5 reanimation spell that leaves a PW behind to keep churning out attackers, though she can't cheat out bigger stuff. And for a general golgari aggro plan, she's a decent beater that's really hard to destroy, so playing her T4 as a pseudo-questing beast seems reasonable.

    Yeah, that's alright.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    Hard for reanimation to be really bad

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    My Gary deck is shining in the meta, lots of removal to slow down Ugin.

    And dropping a Tymaret vs cycling is a concede like 90% of the time

    Steam! Battlenet:Wisemantobes#1508
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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    i have a junky deck for each color for quests and it's really funny how much I get away with in budget mono black devotion quest completion deck vs people actually trying real stuff

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    SproutSprout Registered User regular
    My Gary deck is shining in the meta, lots of removal to slow down Ugin.

    And dropping a Tymaret vs cycling is a concede like 90% of the time

    Oh man, I bet a Scavenging Ooze would really mess those decks up real bad too.

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